Guide to convert BD 3D to 3D Left+Right Stereoscopic and Anaglyph

[vanden]

I found a way to read the m2ts (created by CombineMVC.exe + tsMuxeR) in SteroscopicPlayer :

J'ai trouvé un moyen de lire les m2ts (créés par CombineMVC.exe + tsMuxeR) dans SteroscopicPlayer :

http://infonetservices02.chez.com/graphedit.jpg
http://infonetservices02.chez.com/StereoscopicPlayer.jpg
Haali media splitter connects well to MainConcept MVC/AVC Decoder, but the MVC stream is coromput.

EDIT

I guess CombineMVC.exe uses filters Sonic/MainConcept (Sonic MVC Muxer AND Sonic File Writer) ?


http://i48.fastpic.ru/big/2012/1112/44/db3c7e36258aa2d7fdb3fc7f06dad844.png

If so, it should be possible to decombine with Sonic File Writer ?
This should work, but only with those made with CombineMVC not with those made with MakeMKV ...

[frencher]

@vanden
Is it possible to create support for mkv from MakeMKV ?
Is it possible to create the same format mkv (AVC / MVC) as does MakeMKV?

[vanden]

@vanden
Is it possible to create support for mkv from MakeMKV ?


Currently no ... but I suspect that the combined AVC/MVC raw stream, created by MakeMKV is very very close to that of CombineMVC.
Because when muxing combined AVC/MVC raw stream created by CombineMVC in mkv with MKVtoolnix it is well recognized by MakeMKV !
It is sufficient to record that open file in MakeMKV and it is transformed into a "combined MKV / Type MakeMKV" ...
But inversse operation is not possible for the moment ... I do not know how to convert a combined AVC/MVC raw stream created by MakeMKV in combined AVC/MVC raw stream created by CombineMVC ...

@vanden
Is it possible to create the same format mkv (AVC / MVC) as does MakeMKV?


Yes it is possible:
1. create a combined AVC/MVC raw stream with CombineMVC.
2. Mux this stream with MKVtoolnix.
3. open this mkv file with MakeMKV.
4. Record the file.


Edit
Error! No way to decombine ...

[r0lZ]

2. Mux this stream with MKVtoolnix.
3. open this mkv file with MakeMKV.
4. Record the file.
I don't understand the difference between point 1 and points 2/3. MKVToolnix is not an exe. Do you mean that the combined stream must be remuxed once (with MkvMerge) and then the remuxed file must be remuxed again, a second time?

[vanden]

I don't understand the difference between point 1 and points 2/3. MKVToolnix is not an exe. Do you mean that the combined stream must be remuxed once (with MkvMerge) and then the remuxed file must be remuxed again, a second time?

2. yes muxed with MkvMerge(=mkvtoolnix=mmg.exe)

3. and 4. : I suppose remux with MakeMKV + certainly modify the header of the raw stream.

[r0lZ]

Oops, yes, I have never realized that it is possible to remux a MKV file with MakeMKV. Thanks for the tip!

[moamoa]

Help!

I use MakeMVK to backup my BR's. But I'm have problems with 3D ones. MakeMKV can backup the file but I can't create a SBS MKV from it. It just makes a MVC MKV which is hard to play.

I would like to convert this to a SBS MKV. If I use MakeMKV to to a backup instead, I hoped to use BD3D2MK3D.

Firstly the backup changes all the files names to "00001.ssif.smap" and similar, then the BD3D2MK3D application will not open the backup as it finds no 3D content. If i manually rename the files to "00001.ssif", then the BD3D2MK3D application will open the back up and I get the first screen on.

But If I then click on the "2:Select streams" tab I get an error and cant continue?

What am I doing wrong?

(see attached screens)

If ignore the first error and click through to the last page to start the encoding, i get the error shown in image 3

Help?

[r0lZ]

BD3D2MK3D can only convert a 3D BD, not a MKV. You should convert your BD, instead of doing an intermediate conversion with MakeMKV.

[moamoa]

BD3D2MK3D can only convert a 3D BD, not a MKV. You should convert your BD, instead of doing an intermediate conversion with MakeMKV.

I think that is what I'm doing. I'm only using MakeMKV to make a backup copy of the BD image without encryption on it, not to make an actual MKV. It has this feature too! So the errors shown in the previous post's attached images are related to the converted BD folder, not an MKV as input source. You can see this from the first image which shows it has found the right track in the BD file structure. What is going wrong after this? (image 2 and 3)?

[r0lZ]

Unfortunately, your images are still not approved, and I can't see them. (BTW, the next time, you should upload them to an image sharing service such as Imageshack, and post the links here.)

Anyway, BD3D2MK3D requires a standard BD structure to operate successfully. I have not analysed how MakeMKV does the backup, but obviously, it is not standard, notably due to the file extension changes. You'll probably have to use another method to decrypt the BD and make a standard ISO. I'll try to understand why BD3D2MK3D fails with the backups created by MakeMKV, but don't expect a miracle. BD3D2MK3D uses external CLI programs that I haven't written myself, and if one of them does not work with the MakeMKV ISO, I will be unable to change that.

[pwimmer]

I found a way to read the m2ts (created by CombineMVC.exe + tsMuxeR) in SteroscopicPlayer :

J'ai trouvé un moyen de lire les m2ts (créés par CombineMVC.exe + tsMuxeR) dans SteroscopicPlayer :

http://infonetservices02.chez.com/graphedit.jpg
http://infonetservices02.chez.com/StereoscopicPlayer.jpg

You can also use Haali media splitter in place of Mainconcept MPEG Demultiplexer.


I'll make .m2ts files with a combined stream with a single PID work with Stereoscopic Player's default MPEG-TS splitter. The issue should be solved within the next few weeks.

Stereoscopic Player's splitter is based on the Media Player Classic splitters: http://www.3dtv.at/OpenSource

A note on 3D MKVs using the MVC codec: There is no official spec for MVC in the MKV container yet! The MakeMKV developer and me proposed to append the subset SPS and second PPS to the CodecPrivate element on the MKV devel list. Everyone creating 3D-MKV files should know that the files might not be compliant with a future spec.

[moamoa]

I'll try to understand why BD3D2MK3D fails with the backups created by MakeMKV, but don't expect a miracle. BD3D2MK3D uses external CLI programs that I haven't written myself, and if one of them does not work with the MakeMKV ISO, I will be unable to change that.

Thanks! :)

The images are upload now. There might not be anything really wrong, could just be me not doing something right or a set-up issue. But I appreciate you looking, so, thanks.

[r0lZ]

Yes, but I'm currently trying to fix another problem (with timeouts when using DirectShowMVCSource with multi-SSIF MPLS files), and it's damn slow. Please be patient...

[vanden]

I'll make .m2ts files with a combined stream with a single PID work with Stereoscopic Player's default MPEG-TS splitter. The issue should be solved within the next few weeks.

Stereoscopic Player's splitter is based on the Media Player Classic splitters: http://www.3dtv.at/OpenSource
Good news !

A note on 3D MKVs using the MVC codec: There is no official spec for MVC in the MKV container yet! The MakeMKV developer and me proposed to append the subset SPS and second PPS to the CodecPrivate element on the MKV devel list. Everyone creating 3D-MKV files should know that the files might not be compliant with a future spec.
Yes official specification for combined AVC/MVC raw stream and for each container (ts/mkv/mp4/avi ...) !

[vanden]

@ moamoa

Have you tried to demuxe this :
1. the .m2ts
2. the .SSIF
3. the .mpls

With eac3to ?

[r0lZ]

The images are upload now. There might not be anything really wrong, could just be me not doing something right or a set-up issue. But I appreciate you looking, so, thanks.
I see. Anyway, if eac3to fails when it tries to retrieve the stream information for the selected MPLS, that means that something is wrong with your BD or ISO.
(The error of your 3th screenshot is caused by the missing stream information, but is not relevant. It should not happen with a valid BD.)

I haven't tried to process a MakeMKV backup yet. Still busy, but I should have some time tomorrow...

[moamoa]

I see. Anyway, if eac3to fails when it tries to retrieve the stream information for the selected MPLS, that means that something is wrong with your BD or ISO.
(The error of your 3th screenshot is caused by the missing stream information, but is not relevant. It should not happen with a valid BD.)

I haven't tried to process a MakeMKV backup yet. Still busy, but I should have some time tomorrow...

Thanks you.

I hope it's not too difficult to fix! :)

[r0lZ]

I suspect that the combined AVC/MVC raw stream, created by MakeMKV is very very close to that of CombineMVC.
I have tried to use MakeMKV to create the combined MKV file, then extract the combined h264 file with MkvExtract, remux it to M2TS with TsMuser, and use that combined M2TS file as input for DirectShowMVCSource, with the AVS syntax explained here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1600201#post1600201).
But that doesn't work. The combined M2TS file created with CombineMVC and TsMuxer works perfectly. That means that something important is different with the MakeMKV method.

@Neisklar: Can you have a look at the MakeMKV method and, perhaps, modify DirectShowMVCSource to work with that method too? That would be nice, as that method is much more rapid than CombineMVC.

Also, can you write the CLI version of CombineMVC, with the support for named pipes, as discussed early?

Thanks in advance!

[r0lZ]

# v0.14 (January 24, 2013)
# - Removed "b-spline" from the list of subtitle resize filters due to BDSup2Sub++ crashing.
# - Changed the NUL output of the first pass in 2-pass mode to the real .264 file, due to x264 crashing.
# v0.15 (March 17, 2013)
# - Bug: When one checks 'Resize 1080p to 720p' the Intro Clip still keeps '1080p' in the text.
# - Little bug: Wrong error message when the program is launched and the config file BD3D2MK3D.cfg doesn't exist.
# - Added a check to ensure that the Haali Media Splitter is installed. (It is required to see the progress percentage during the encoding.)
# - Added menu "Help -> Haali Media Splitter home" to easily download and install the Haali DirectShow filter.
# - Removed Tools -> Join SSIF files (as it doesn't work well) and replaced by CombineMVC and TsMuxer to do the same thing manually.

Currently, there is still no good solution to process a MPLS with a large number of M2TS/SSIF files, although the CombineMVC method works. If you cannot encode a MPLS, be sure to tick the options to demux also the AVC and MVC streams (in tab 2), then use CombineMVC and TsMuxer (both can be launched from the Tools menu) to create a combined M2TS file (don't forget to change the TsMuxer output format from TS to M2TS), and edit the AVS script produced by BD3D2MK3D to load and process the combined M2TS. I have added commented-out lines to facilitate that. You should just have to uncomment them, and remove or comment-out the lines above that part. That method is not fully automatic, as I have no way to automate the job made by CombineMVC, you can encode only in half or full SBS or Top/Bottom, and CombineMVC is damn slow, but it works.

If you prefer, you can also try to use the old BD3D2AVS (http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/BD3D2AVS/BD3D2AVS.7z), using the old (and also very slow) ldecod method.

Of course, if someone can write a CLI and optimised version of CombineMVC, I'll try to fully implement that method in BD3D2MK3D.

Also, currently, I haven't found a solution to process successfully BD backups created by MakeMKV. I'll try again later...

Download the latest BD3D2MK3D version here (http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/BD3D2AVS/BD3D2MK3D.7z).

[vanden]

I have tried to use MakeMKV to create the combined MKV file, then extract the combined h264 file with MkvExtract, remux it to M2TS with TsMuser, and use that combined M2TS file as input for DirectShowMVCSource, with the AVS syntax explained here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1600201#post1600201).
But that doesn't work. The combined M2TS file created with CombineMVC and TsMuxer works perfectly. That means that something important is different with the MakeMKV method.

Yes but why when muxing combined AVC/MVC raw stream created by CombineMVC in mkv with MKVtoolnix it is well recognized by MakeMKV ??!!

It is sufficient to record that open file in MakeMKV and it is transformed into a "combined MKV / Type MakeMKV" ... playable with the default filters of stereoscopic player (like all 3d mkv file created with MakeMKV) !

@Neisklar: Can you have a look at the MakeMKV method and, perhaps, modify DirectShowMVCSource to work with that method too? That would be nice, as that method is much more rapid than CombineMVC.

It is necessary to force "DirectShowMVCSource", to use "MatroskaSplitter.dll" (of sereoscopicplaver> = 1.9.6) instead of "MPEGSplitter.dll" ...

[r0lZ]

vanden, thanks for the precision, but it's useless for my GUI. I need a combined.h264 file that can be processed by the current version of DirectShowMVCSource, not by stereoscopic player. As far as I know, I need to use CombineMVC. In other words, your finding is interesting, but I would like to do exactly the opposite: convert a h264 combined stream made with MakeMKV to something equivalent to what CombineMVC produces. That seems impossible currently. Or have I missed something?

Of course, it would be better if DirectShowMVCSource could open the combined h264 produced by MakeMKV (or preferably the MKV file containing it). It it is sufficient to use the Matroska Splitter, that should be possible. But the new DirectShowMVCSource should support well the two methods, as MakeMKV is not free.

[samfednik]

as MakeMKV is not free.

http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1053

[r0lZ]

Thanks. I did know that "beta free" thing, but anyway, it will be payware one day.

[vanden]

I understood why StereoscopicPlayer (with filters by default) does not work with files CombineMVC : this is a problem with stf.dll.

With DirectShowSource we have the same problem when using stf.dll :
LoadPlugin("DirectShowMVCSource.dll")
video = DirectShowMVCSource("CombinedMVC.m2ts", stf=16)
AssumeFPS(video, 24000, 1001)
return video
Does not work ! While this script works :
LoadPlugin ("DirectShowMVCSource.dll")
left = DirectShowMVCSource("CombinedMVC.m2ts", decodeleft=true)
right = DirectShowMVCSource("CombinedMVC.m2ts")
video = StackHorizontal(left, right)
return video
With a file .SSIF, both scripts work properly !

Another discovery muxer combined raw stream created by combineMVC in a mkv containair with mkvmerge : This damages Combined raw stream !

1. create raw combined stream (with combinemvc)
you can test this combined raw stream with Mainconcept/Sonic filters :
http://infonetservices02.chez.com/rawcombinemvc.jpg
2. Mux it with mkvtoolnix.
3. Demux with tsMuxer or mkvextract or eac3to.
4. verify that combined raw stream is no longer readable with MainConcept filters :
http://infonetservices02.chez.com/rawcombinemvc_(Mkvmerge-Mux)_(TsMuxer-Demux).jpg

http://infonetservices02.chez.com/rawcombinemvc_(Mkvmerge-Mux)_(Mkvextract-Demux).jpg

http://infonetservices02.chez.com/rawcombinemvc_(Mkvmerge-Mux)_(eac3to-Demux).jpg

Mux in .m2ts (Combined raw stream created by combinemvc) demux with tsMuxeR or eac3, the Combined raw stream does not damaged .

[r0lZ]

I understood why StereoscopicPlayer (with filters by default) does not work with files CombineMVC : this is a problem with stf.dll.
That was already known, as you can see here:
The Plugin is now capable of opening .m2ts (or other MPEG Transportstreams) files, with an single combined MVC stream.
BUT: when using such a file, the STF will NOT work (even the StereoPlayer won't play it), so you need to do it this way for example:

LoadPlugin ("DirectShowMVCSource.dll")
left = DirectShowMVCSource("combined.m2ts", decodeleft=true)
right = DirectShowMVCSource("combined.m2ts")

video = StackHorizontal(left, right).BilinearResize(1920, 1080)

return video

[vanden]

That was already known, as you can see here:

Sorry I had not seen ! So I confirm !

[frencher]

It is necessary to force "DirectShowMVCSource", to use "MatroskaSplitter.dll" (of sereoscopicplaver> = 1.9.6) instead of "MPEGSplitter.dll" ...

"MatroskaSplitter.dll" for *.mkv
"MPEGSplitter.dll" for *.ts, *.mts, *.m2ts

:goodpost:

[Sharc]

@r0lz
It would be handy to get the option of muxing the files into blu-ray structure after encoding, rather than mkv only, because some (2D-)blu-ray standalones reject to play mkv.
(It can be done with little manual work now, so no high priority, just for convenience)

[r0lZ]

Not sure why you want to convert a BD to a BD! IMO, if you want a backup, you should just copy the original BD. You want a backup for a 2D BD player?

Also, honestly, I don't know how to create the BD structure. Creating a MKV is easy, and I can probably create a M2TS instead, but that's not a BD structure. My program is a GUI only, and if that can be done easily with an existing CLI tool, I may have a look, but I don't want to write that from scratch.

[moamoa]

I see. Anyway, if eac3to fails when it tries to retrieve the stream information for the selected MPLS, that means that something is wrong with your BD or ISO.
(The error of your 3th screenshot is caused by the missing stream information, but is not relevant. It should not happen with a valid BD.)

I haven't tried to process a MakeMKV backup yet. Still busy, but I should have some time tomorrow...

Any joy? Does this look possible? :)

[r0lZ]

@moamoa: Read the thread, and your PMs.

[Sharc]

Not sure why you want to convert a BD to a BD! IMO, if you want a backup, you should just copy the original BD. You want a backup for a 2D BD player?

Also, honestly, I don't know how to create the BD structure. Creating a MKV is easy, and I can probably create a M2TS instead, but that's not a BD structure. My program is a GUI only, and if that can be done easily with an existing CLI tool, I may have a look, but I don't want to write that from scratch.
Well, I want for example to convert & compress the main movie of an original 3D BD to an SBS, TB or anaglyph BD5 which - when in BD format - can be played on any 2D standalone BD player and watched on my legacy 2D (anaglyph) or any 3D (SBS, TB) TV or projector. It works perfectly.

The creation of a BD structure is easy: TSMuxer (CLI) has Blu-ray as an option. Just check its GUI :)

[frencher]

How create mkv (AVC/MVC),

From MakeMKV program folder

My BD is John Carter 3D

Scan BD infos
makemkvcon.exe -r --cache=1 info disc:9999 32 bit
makemkvcon64.exe -r --cache=1 info disc:9999 64 bit

My disc is disc:2

Remux directly to MKV 3D by title 3 (00800.mpls = title 3)
makemkvcon.exe mkv --progress=-same disc:2 3 "F:\Temp\John Carter" 32 bit
makemkvcon64.exe mkv --progress=-same disc:2 3 "F:\Temp\John Carter" 64 bit

Download => makemkvcon.rar (http://ul.to/tphq3gko) (If don't works, please install MakeMKV)

I dream of:
- Update of "DirectShowMVCSource.dll" with audio support and "CombineMVC.exe"
- MKV 3D Seekable
- Subtitles and forced subtitles
- Chapters
- Update of eac3to :D

Enjoy ;)

[r0lZ]

What is that makemkvcon command supposed to do, and how can it be useful to us?

[frencher]

What is that makemkvcon command supposed to do, and how can it be useful to us?

ISO is a large MKV 3D structure is kept AVC/MVC and everything needed. (Chapters Languages)
Fewer problems with several cutoff .SSIF
100% Compatible with "Stereoscopic Player" and seekable
Faster than "CombineMVC" and does not require remux.
And more .....
Easy Export to pipe with recode on a fly
Developers Tutorial here (http://www.makemkv.com/developers/usage.txt)

[r0lZ]

OK, I suppose you were replying to this post:
@r0lz
It would be handy to get the option of muxing the files into blu-ray structure after encoding, rather than mkv only, because some (2D-)blu-ray standalones reject to play mkv.
(It can be done with little manual work now, so no high priority, just for convenience)
But if I understand correctly, Sharc wants a way to create a BD with an Anaglyph, SBS or TB conversion, not with AVC/MVC streams, compatible only with 3D BD players.

[frencher]

It is necessary to force "DirectShowMVCSource", to use "MatroskaSplitter.dll" (of sereoscopicplaver> = 1.9.6) instead of "MPEGSplitter.dll" ...
If "DirectShowMVCSource.dll" is updated everything is possible

[frencher]

"MVC Player Free v0.0.1.1" In my signature... :rolleyes:

Extract and run directly MVC Player Free.exe or play associated file with MVC Player Free.exe
# Added: Full Recode with x264 1 & 2 pass and custom preset (output > .mkv)
# Added: Auto-switch of some compatible 3D TV (SBS an UO)
# Added: eac3to infos
# Added: eac3to demux (selected .m2ts & .ssif ready)
# Added: Rapid link to CombineMVC and tsMuxeR
# Added: Editable playlist (x264 & eac3to demuxing)
# Added: Multi angle compatible
# Added: Support of index.bdmv (BD Root)
# Added: Support of playlist (.mpls)
# Added: Support of all media
# Fixed: Help topic (in progress...)
# Fixed: Link for update (in my signatre)
# Some fixes
http://i46.tinypic.com/2qanwcj.png

[frencher]

"MVC Player Free v0.0.1.2" In my signature... :rolleyes:

Extract and run directly MVC Player Free.exe or play associated file with MVC Player Free.exe
# Added: MediaInfo
# Added: Export to i420 YUV (output > .yuv)
# Fixed: Stop probleme with DirectShow filters
# Some fixes

[vanden]

As I tried to answer my question :

I guess CombineMVC.exe uses filters Sonic/MainConcept (Sonic MVC Muxer AND Sonic File Writer) ?Having filters Sonic Scenarist 5.5 (Sonic MVC Muxer 1.0.0.29341), I tested the graph.
Surprise the file is not exactly the same size as the CombineMVC file and it is not readable with Mainconcept/Sonic MPEG demultiplexer or (once remux in m2ts) with DirectShowSource ...!
Remux in mkv (mkvmerg) MakeMKV can not see the MVC stream ...

By chance I test Sonic HD Demuxer filter 4.3.00.0134 (on my raw stream combined "Sonic MVC Muxer") and it works.
I say I will test with a MakeMKV file demuxed (with eac3to), it works too !
I accidentally found a way to read in GraphEdit the raw combined stream of MakeMKV.
1. Demux MKV (with eac3to).
2. Open GraphEdit :
-a- File Source (Async) (open a raw file CombineMVC) / Mainconcept MPEG demultiplexer / Mainconcept MVC Decoder : Just activate the 2 video outputs of the decoder.
-b- File Source (Async) (open a raw file MakeMKV) / Sonic HD Demuxer / Mainconcept MVC Decoder / 2 Video render.
http://infonetservices02.chez.com/MakeMKV-Graphedit.jpg

[frencher]

"MVC Player Free v0.0.1.3" In my signature... :rolleyes:

Extract and run directly MVC Player Free.exe or play associated file with MVC Player Free.exe
# Added: eac3to demux with chapters (selctable .m2ts, .ssif and others media files)
# Added: Auto Play On/Off (Playback)
# Fixed: MediaInfo (BD path and files)
# Some fixes

[frencher]

I made a small package because CombineMVC is not CLI at the moment but it could work here must be missing a little something ...
The work is sent with eac3to L.h264 and R.h264 to CombineMVC.exe with pipe.
Package is: HERE (http://ul.to/9bd9tc7l)

[Wolfy59]

Hi no question no help needed for this moment just a BIG thanks for all you do here

[r0lZ]

Thanks to you! :-)

[frencher]

You are welcome Wolfy59 ;)

[jumpjack]

Is there any tutorial for 3dbd's free?
I can get it finding some 3d files on my BD, but then... what?
Is it supposed to work properly in WindowsXP SP3? GUI looks weird, like missing something.
I click on GO button after selecting a 3d file, but nothing appears happening, nothing appears in output folder.

[frencher]

Is there any tutorial for 3dbd's free?
I can get it finding some 3d files on my BD, but then... what?
Is it supposed to work properly in WindowsXP SP3? GUI looks weird, like missing something.
I click on GO button after selecting a 3d file, but nothing appears happening, nothing appears in output folder.

Kill process "3DBD's Free Plugin.exe" there may be a memory leak...
For better works use "MVC Player Free" ;)

[jumpjack]

Kill process "3DBD's Free Plugin.exe" there may be a memory leak...
For better works use "MVC Player Free" ;)
Can you please be more specific?
I still don't get how to use 3dbd, how it works, what it is expected to do, how I can view the resulting (if any) 3d video.

[frencher]

Can you please be more specific?
I still don't get how to use 3dbd, how it works, what it is expected to do, how I can view the resulting (if any) 3d video.

"3DBD's Free" in this release serves only one demux bluray but in standby because of memory leak.
"MVC Player Free" takes over and allows direct reading and re-encoding on the fly Bluray unencrypted but also demux and remux almost any type of video but also the Bluray and Bluray 3D with the various tools provided.

[jumpjack]

So how can I use 3dBd and/or MVC Player Free to watch my MIB-III 3d-bd on my PC?