Guide to convert BD 3D to 3D Left+Right Stereoscopic and Anaglyph

[Rumbah]

I have a "problem" with BD3D2MK3D (with the Tangled 3D BluRay).

Opening the resulting avs file created by BD3D2MK3D in any other program than avs2yuv results in "Can't create the graph". Is there any way to preview the avs file?

EDIT: On Win7 64 Bit

[r0lZ]

The problem is that the program MUST be in the "magic folder" (containing the third-party tools used by BD3D2MK3D). That folder must have the stereoscopic player exe in its path. You can try to move or copy your program in that folder, and launch it from that location. That works well with AvspMod.

Note also that you cannot seek to any position with your program. The AVS script prohibits it, so if you try to do it, it will take a very long time. That means also that if the program tries to skip some frames to respect the frame rate, it may fail.

[Rumbah]

Ah, thanks for the fast answer, I'll give that a try.

I just wanted to try to benchmark the different resize filters for this purpose and try Didee's suggestion to use bicubic resize with b+2c=0 for downsizing, e.g. b=-0.5, c=0.25 .

[r0lZ]

Good idea. Please let us know your benchmark results.

[Rumbah]

Well, I guess my CPU works hard for the decoding so the speed does not differ that much, but here are my quick results:

Untouched = 51.694904 fps
BilinearResize(1920, 1080) = 48.070914 fps
BicubicResize(1920, 1080) = 47.461295 fps
BicubicResize(b=-0.5, c=0.25, 1920, 1080) = 47.623734 fps
BicubicResize(b=-1.0, c=0.5, 1920, 1080) = 47.331453 fps
BlackmanResize(1920, 1080) = 44.079143 fps
GaussResize(1920, 1080) = 43.927917 fps
LanczosResize(1920, 1080) = 45.933014 fps
Lanczos4Resize(1920, 1080) = 44.493882 fps
PointResize(1920, 1080) = 48.224223 fps
Spline16Resize(1920, 1080) = 46.986299 fps
Spline36Resize(1920, 1080) = 45.716445 fps
Spline64Resize(1920, 1080) = 44.302872 fps
SincResize(1920, 1080) = 44.246743 fps
My avisynth file:
SetMemoryMax(128)
LoadPlugin("E:\Treiber\BD3D2MK3D\toolset\stereoplayer.exe\ssifSource2.dll")
part1 = ssifSource2("L:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00012.ssif", 85384, left_view = true, right_view = true, horizontal_stack = false)
part2 = ssifSource2("L:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00013.ssif", 58864, left_view = true, right_view = true, horizontal_stack = false)
last = part1 + part2
AssumeFPS("ntsc_film")
RESIZE
Trim(0,-30000)

The testsequence was the first 30000 frames of Tangled 3D with a Core2Quad Q9650 (3 Ghz).

[r0lZ]

Thanks!
What are the units of the results?

[r0lZ]

Someone has used the 2-pass encoding mode of BD3D2MK3D? I don't use it, but I did some tests, and apparently, x264 crashes at the very end of the first pass, because the output file is "NUL". I have decided to redirect the output to NUL to avoid writing an useless big h264 file on HDD, but perhaps it is required to have a real file as output. Strangely, x264 doesn't crash when I do a quick test with a short clip.

Someone can confirm that bug, or it it just me?

[Rumbah]

Ah, sorry, the unit is fps.

[Nico8583]

Do you have a new version of DirectShowMVCSource ? Or ssif2source is always up to date with news movies ?
I would like to create 1 AVS to left eye and 1 AVS to right eye, DirectShowMVCSource seems to be perfect for that but I have random crash...

[pippus]

I always receive this error on various Blu-ray
if not exist "H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif" goto filenotfound
set path=C:\Users\pippus\Desktop\bd3d\BD3D2MK3Dversion13\toolset\stereoplayer.exe;C:\Users\pippus\Desktop\bd3d\BD3D2MK3Dversion13\toolset;%path%
echo Encoding _ENCODE_3D_MOVIE.avs
echo Movie: John carter BD3D bluebird
echo Encoding started %date% %time%
@echo on

"C:\Users\pippus\Desktop\bd3d\BD3D2MK3Dversion13\toolset\stereoplayer.exe\x264.exe" ^
--crf 17 --preset medium --profile high --level 4.1 ^
--output "00896_m2ts.264" "_ENCODE_3D_MOVIE.avs"
@echo off
echo Encoding finished %date% %time%

REM Optionnaly mux the video and demuxed streams to MKV.
REM Note: The mux is disabled if no streams are demuxed.
if exist "_MUX_3D.cmd" cmd /c "_MUX_3D.cmd"

REM Everything done: do the post-processing (Shutdown computer...)
if exist "_POSTPROCESS.cmd" cmd /c "_POSTPROCESS.cmd"
exit /B

:filenotfound
echo *******************************************************************************
echo ERROR: File "H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif" not found!
echo Is the Blu-ray disc loaded?
echo *******************************************************************************
pause


if I try to directly launch the AVS script tells me error
can't create the graph error line 81

my AVS
# Avisynth script generated Sun Jan 27 23:44:03 CET 2013 by BD3D2MK3D v0.13
# to convert "H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif"
# (referenced by playlist 00800.mpls)
# to Half Side by Side, Left first.
# Movie title: John carter BD3D bluebird
#
# Source MPLS information:
# MPLS file: 00800.mpls
# 1: Chapters, 16 chapters
# 2: h264/AVC (left eye), 1080p, fps: 24 /1.001 (16:9)
# 3: h264/AVC (right eye), 1080p, fps: 24 /1.001 (16:9)
# 4: DTS HiRes, English, 7.1 channels, 24 bits, 2046kbps, 48kHz
# (core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48kHz)
# 5: DTS HiRes, Italian, 7.1 channels, 24 bits, 2046kbps, 48kHz
# (core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48kHz)
# 6: AC3, Russian, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
# 7: AC3, Ukrainian, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz
# 8: Subtitle (PGS), English
# 9: Subtitle (PGS), English
# 10: Subtitle (PGS), Italian
# 11: Subtitle (PGS), Russian
# 12: Subtitle (PGS), Ukrainian
# 13: Subtitle (PGS), Latvian
# 14: Subtitle (PGS), Lithuanian
# 15: Subtitle (PGS), Estonian
# 16: Subtitle (PGS), English
# 17: Subtitle (PGS), Italian
# 18: Subtitle (PGS), Russian
# 19: Subtitle (PGS), Ukrainian

#LoadPlugin("C:\Users\pippus\Desktop\bd3d\BD3D2MK3Dversion13\toolset\stereoplayer.exe\DirectShowMVCSource.dll")
## Alt method using ssifSource2 (for SBS or T&B only):
LoadPlugin("C:\Users\pippus\Desktop\bd3d\BD3D2MK3Dversion13\toolset\stereoplayer.exe\ssifSource2.dll")

SIDEBYSIDE_L = 14 # Half Side by Side, Left first
SIDEBYSIDE_R = 13 # Half Side by Side, Right first
OVERUNDER_L = 16 # Half Top/Bottom, Left first
OVERUNDER_R = 15 # Half Top/Bottom, Right first
SIDEBYSIDE_L = 14 # Full Side by Side, Left first
SIDEBYSIDE_R = 13 # Full Side by Side, Right first
OVERUNDER_L = 16 # Full Top/Bottom, Left first
OVERUNDER_R = 15 # Full Top/Bottom, Right first
ROWINTERLEAVED_L = 18 # Row interleaved, Left first
ROWINTERLEAVED_R = 17 # Row interleaved, Right first
COLINTERLEAVED_L = 20 # Column interleaved, Left first
COLINTERLEAVED_R = 19 # Column interleaved, Right first
OPTANA_RC = 45 # Anaglyph: Optimised, Red - Cyan
OPTANA_CR = 46 # Anaglyph: Optimised, Cyan - Red
OPTANA_YB = 47 # Anaglyph: Optimised, Yellow - Blue
OPTANA_BY = 48 # Anaglyph: Optimised, Blue - Yellow
OPTANA_GM = 49 # Anaglyph: Optimised, Green - Magenta
OPTANA_MG = 50 # Anaglyph: Optimised, Magenta - Green
COLORANA_RC = 39 # Anaglyph: Colour, Red - Cyan
COLORANA_CR = 40 # Anaglyph: Colour, Cyan - Red
COLORANA_YB = 41 # Anaglyph: Colour, Yellow - Blue
COLORANA_BY = 42 # Anaglyph: Colour, Blue - Yellow
COLORANA_GM = 43 # Anaglyph: Colour, Green - Magenta
COLORANA_MG = 44 # Anaglyph: Colour, Magenta - Green
SHADEANA_RC = 33 # Anaglyph: Half-colour, Red - Cyan
SHADEANA_CR = 34 # Anaglyph: Half-colour, Cyan - Red
SHADEANA_YB = 35 # Anaglyph: Half-colour, Yellow - Blue
SHADEANA_BY = 36 # Anaglyph: Half-colour, Blue - Yellow
SHADEANA_GM = 37 # Anaglyph: Half-colour, Green - Magenta
SHADEANA_MG = 38 # Anaglyph: Half-colour, Magenta - Green
GREYANA_RC = 27 # Anaglyph: Grey, Red - Cyan
GREYANA_CR = 28 # Anaglyph: Grey, Cyan - Red
GREYANA_YB = 29 # Anaglyph: Grey, Yellow - Blue
GREYANA_BY = 30 # Anaglyph: Grey, Blue - Yellow
GREYANA_GM = 31 # Anaglyph: Grey, Green - Magenta
GREYANA_MG = 32 # Anaglyph: Grey, Magenta - Green
PUREANA_RB = 23 # Anaglyph: Pure, Red - Blue
PUREANA_BR = 24 # Anaglyph: Pure, Blue - Red
PUREANA_RG = 25 # Anaglyph: Pure, Red - Green
PUREANA_GR = 26 # Anaglyph: Pure, Green - Red
MONOSCOPIC_L = 1 # Monoscopic 2D: Left only
MONOSCOPIC_R = 2 # Monoscopic 2D: Right only

# Load main video (189932 frames)
#DirectShowMVCSource("H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif", seek=false, seekzero=true, stf=SIDEBYSIDE_L)
## Alt method using ssifSource2
ssifSource2("H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif", left_view = true, right_view = true, horizontal_stack = true)

AssumeFPS("ntsc_film")
# Resize is necessary only for Half-SBS or Half-Top/Bottom,
# or when the option to Resize to 720p is on.
BilinearResize(1920, 1080)
# Anaglyph and Interleaved modes are in RGB32, and must be converted to YV12.
#ConvertToYV12(matrix="PC.709")


# Add 3 seconds of black at the end of the video (72 frames)
Return(last + BlankClip(last, 72))#.Info()



can you tell me why?
thanks

[frencher]

Do you have a new version of DirectShowMVCSource ? Or ssif2source is always up to date with news movies ?
I would like to create 1 AVS to left eye and 1 AVS to right eye, DirectShowMVCSource seems to be perfect for that but I have random crash...

Would it be possible to add support for mkv in combination with CombineMVC.exe by DirectShowMVCSource ?

[Cedvano]

Would it be possible to add support for mkv in combination with CombineMVC.exe by DirectShowMVCSource ?

Tu veux créer un MKV MVC ? (You want to create a MKV MVC ?)

[r0lZ]

I always receive this error on various Blu-ray


if I try to directly launch the AVS script tells me error
can't create the graph error line 81

can you tell me why?
thanks
Have you verified if the H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif file is really present?

Also, are you sure the BD is unprotected? Usually, you cannot rip directly a protected BD. You have to either decrypt it to an ISO and mount the ISO, or use AnyDVD HD to decrypt the BD on the fly. eac3to is not a decrypter, and therefore, BD3D2MK3D requires an unprotected DVD or a mounted ISO as source.

[frencher]

Tu veux créer un MKV MVC ? (You want to create a MKV MVC ?)

Oui, pour la prise en charge des pistes audio et sous titres forcés et aussi les châpitres.

Yes, for support audio tracks and subtitles as forced and chapters.

[pippus]

Have you verified if the H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif file is really present?

Also, are you sure the BD is unprotected? Usually, you cannot rip directly a protected BD. You have to either decrypt it to an ISO and mount the ISO, or use AnyDVD HD to decrypt the BD on the fly. eac3to is not a decrypter, and therefore, BD3D2MK3D requires an unprotected DVD or a mounted ISO as source.

H:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\00896.ssif file is really present?

the path is ok

Also, are you sure the BD is unprotected?
unprotected

I tried to aprtire GraphEdit but AVC / MVC decoder (by CoreCodec) do not find
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8721/immagineusx.png

[Nico8583]

Do you have a new version of DirectShowMVCSource ? Or ssif2source is always up to date with news movies ?
I would like to create 1 AVS to left eye and 1 AVS to right eye, DirectShowMVCSource seems to be perfect for that but I have random crash...
I have added SetMemoryMax(32) at the beginning of the script and all seems to be OK :)

[frencher]

Tu veux créer un MKV MVC ? (You want to create a MKV MVC ?)

Make MKV (http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/09/02/tutoriel-riper-un-blu-ray-3d-en-mkv-avcmvc-full-hd-3d-avec-makemkv) is already doing.
The goal would be to read .MKV AVC/MVC directly with MVC Player Free

[Sharc]

Someone (I don't remember who) told me to use these settings:

--bluray-compat --profile high --level 4.1 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --keyint 24 --slices 4
--open-gop --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --b-pyramid strict --fake-interlaced --aud

But I don't understand why --bluray-compat is not sufficient alone. If it does what its name suggests, that option should force all necessary flags. Anyway, BD3D2MK3D forces all options above when you tick the "BD compatible" checkbox.
Great program, thanks :)
Is there a specific reason to flag the encode as interlaced (--fake-interlaced)?

[r0lZ]

Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps it's a blu-ray requirement. But I'm not a specialist in x264 encoding, especially for blu-ray. Lord Mulder is certainly much more able to reply than me. See the last sentence in this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1614207#post1614207), and my reply...

[frencher]

Tu veux créer un MKV MVC ? (You want to create a MKV MVC ?)
Make MKV (http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/09/02/tutoriel-riper-un-blu-ray-3d-en-mkv-avcmvc-full-hd-3d-avec-makemkv) is already doing.
The goal would be to read .MKV AVC/MVC directly with MVC Player Free

3D Sample created with Make MKV (http://ul.to/8u8cuqku)

[Sharc]

Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps it's a blu-ray requirement. But I'm not a specialist in x264 encoding, especially for blu-ray. Lord Mulder is certainly much more able to reply than me. See the last sentence in this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1614207#post1614207), and my reply...
I thought that --fake-interlaced is only required for 1920x1080 25fps or 29.97fps, encoded as progressive. All other cases (including downsized 720) should remain progressive and not use --fake-interlaced for blu-ray compliance.

[r0lZ]

OK, I'll study the BD requirements (in this site (http://www.x264bluray.com/)), and I'll do the necessary modifications. (But I'm not sure how I can detect that the input video is interlaced or not. That might be a problem when encoding to 1080p.)
In the meantime, should you ned so, you can remove --fake-interlaced from the _ENCODE.cmd batch before launching it.

[frencher]

3D Sample created with Make MKV (http://ul.to/8u8cuqku)

An idea to play it ?

[Sharc]

An idea to play it ?
What's exactly your problem?
- Use Stereoscopic Player (not free)
- Set playback to Optimized Anaglyph Red-Cyan
- Watch it through Red-Cyan goggles
It's perfect 3D.

You may also want to try the free Bino player
http://bino3d.org/
- Set the input to Alternate, right first
- Set the ouput to to Red-Cyan, Dubois
Output seems not to be quite as good as with Stereoscopic player, I didn't try all options though.

[slavanap]

Also look at 3D Vision Player by NVIDIA (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-video-player-1.7.2-driver.html). Actually it is a free analogue of StereoScopic Player, but without CoreAVC/MVC decoder.

[Cedvano]

An idea to play it ?

I test it and inform you ! :)

Edit:
- TMT5 can read in 3D (but not much depth)
- Nvidia 3D player NOK

Re-Editing:
I convert it in M2TS and can be read in 3D with TMT5.

[r0lZ]

What is TMT5? And what means NOK?

[Nico8583]

What is TMT5? And what means NOK?

TotalMedia Theatre 5 from ArcSoft :)

[r0lZ]

Thanks. I suppose NOK means Not OK. Right?

[Nico8583]

Thanks. I suppose NOK means Not OK. Right?
I suppose too :)

[Cedvano]

Thanks. I suppose NOK means Not OK. Right?

Yes! It's Not OK :o

[frencher]

Maybe Neisklar could take a look for assistance would be appreciated. :p
Version "Combines" of Make MKV is different and speed are phenomenal

[Cedvano]

Maybe Neisklar could take a look for assistance would be appreciated. :p
Version "Combines" of Make MKV is different and speed are phenomenal

I can read without problems MKV 3D make with MakeMKV.

I would like a "MakeM2TS" for compress 3DBD more easily.

[frencher]

I can read without problems MKV 3D make with MakeMKV.

I would like a "MakeM2TS" for compress 3DBD more easily.

MakeM2TS = CombineMVC.exe + tsMuxeR Link Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1600201#post1600201)

[Cedvano]

MakeM2TS = CombineMVC.exe + tsMuxeR Link Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1600201#post1600201)

Edit: Doesn't work

Pixel on video

[frencher]

Edit: Doesn't work

Pixel on video

send your sample HERE (http://uploaded.net)

[Cedvano]

I prepare the upload.

Here the mediainfo of file.


General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : D:\LION_TEST\BDMV\STREAM\Cars2.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 117 MiB
Duration : 29s 962ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 32.8 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Stereo High@L4.1 / High@L4.1
MultiView_Count : 2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 30s 72ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 31.1 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 23.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.625
Stream size : 111 MiB (95%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 29s 952ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.60 MiB (1%)
Language : French


Edit: Here the link : http://uploaded.net/file/zcwh5oau

Create a BD structure with Tsmuxer and test.

[frencher]

Create a BD structure with Tsmuxer and test.
Work very well with MVC Player Free (no bad pixels here) ;) I'm not sure with tsMuxeR for BD Player

http://i46.tinypic.com/1t3s74.png

[Cedvano]

I have the same result with TMT5 and the file only.

This is the BD structure. I work to find the good options.

My goal is to reduce the size of BD3D.

[9Hawk9]

Hi, guys, I'm new around here. I'm trying to transcode, well I have successfuly transcode several BD 3D's to mkv encode 720p with BD3D 2 Mk3D,
but now have some troubles. Encoding stop's at 97% off first pass and have noticed that it could not find file or the path to the BD.

:filenotfound
echo *******************************************************************************
echo ERROR: File "K:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00002.mpls" not found!
echo Is the Blu-ray disc loaded?
echo *******************************************************************************
pause

I have tryed with a few different BD sources and it's allways the same. What or where could be a problem?

PS: My English isn't by the book, so sorry for that and I'm not a computer expert, so ...

[r0lZ]

Hum, that's very strange. Seems related to a hardware problem with your BD drive. Perhaps it becomes too hot and closes itself? Encoding directly from the BD drive is not recommended, as it has to spin for a long time, and it may becomes very hot. Anyway, try to copy the BD to an ISO first, then mount the ISO and convert the movie from the mounted image. If it's a problem with your drive, that should work.

BTW, have you checked if the BD disc is still accessible in the drive when the problem occurs? You should be able to open the K:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\ folder in Explorer. If you can't, then that confirms the hardware problem.

Also, try with a BD that you have already successfully converted, just to be sure that it's not a new kind of copy protection.

[9Hawk9]

Thanks, but I think that's not an issue, beacuse I'm using iso files from a virtual disc, mounted with daemon tolls. Is it maybe, beacuse the playlist contains multiple m2ts files?

[r0lZ]

Is it maybe, beacuse the playlist contains multiple m2ts files?
Multiple M2TS can be a problem (especially when using DirectShowMVCSource instead of ssifSource2) but afaik, it happens at the beginning of the encoding, when all M2TS files must be opened at the same time. Avisynth may give up due to the unusually long startup delay. I don't think it should hang later.

Is it a message in the x264 log?

[9Hawk9]

Where can I find x264 log and is there any solution for that problem, or with multiple m2ts files wont work as it should be.

PS: Didn't mention that error accours between two encodes from the same BD, beacuse I allways make two, H-SBS and Anaglyph red/cyan encodes.

It looks like there is problem with multiple m2ts files, I just made one m2ts BD H-SBS encode and seems to be OK. Now I'm making an Anaglyph encode, will see....

Well, everyting is OK with one m2ts playlist in Anaglyph too, multiple m2ts playlist is still in error.

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it.

[tyee]

Does everyone know that you can use SSP's stereo transformation filter in mpc-hc to playback sbs and over/under after converting using r0lZ app. I added it under external filters and it just works, although I have to manually set in the output tab, resolution to 1920x1080 to get proper AR.

What player is everyone using?

[r0lZ]

Currently, I don't have a 3D graphic card in my laptop. I use my Samsung TV for playback. But I use sometimes The KMPlayer to show my SBS or T&B movies in anaglyph. It's handy to verify if the views are in the correct order, but a pain to watch a long movie!

A friend lend me a portable PC with a Nvidia 3D graphics card, and I've tried to get PowerDVD working in 3D, but w/o luck. The KMPlayer is not an option either, as it doesn't handle the hardware. I've had to install the Nvidia stereo player. It works, but it is very basic.

I would prefer MPC-HC, good to play MKV files with chapters. Can you explain with more details how you did it?

[Sharc]

What player is everyone using?
- Stereoscopic player (not free)
- Bino (free)
- you may want to try out this (I didn't try myself):
http://www.oaultimate.com/computers/playing-3d-sbs-videos-as-3d-anaglyph.html
http://www.oaultimate.com/computers/alternative-way-play-stereoscopic-3d-on-mpc-and-gom.html

[tyee]

Forgive me but I think I don't need SP to play over/under or sbs. As long as your TV or Projector has the ability to play these just load the video in mpc-hc and start playback, then switch your TV or Projector into that mode and it should work. The only thing I can think of that requires SP is if you have to convert the format you have into another one. My projector plays sbs and o/u so I don't need to convert anything. This is assuming you have converted a Blu-ray into sbs or o/u with your app, which is great btw! Please correct me if I'm wrong here. I was nearly going to purchase SP until I thought about this. For ssif playback direct from a Blu-ray, then yes you would need SP but not for sbs or o/u, yes??

Update - confirmed, I disabled the SP transformation filter and I still get 3D.

I just added the stereoscopic transformation filter in mpc-hc under external filters and it showed up. Select it and set it's options if required. I don't know why there is no 5 min. time limit like the SP itself, strange!

[Sharc]

Agree, if you are lucky to have an advanced 3D playback infrastructure.
I use Stereoscopic Player (SP) to convert on the fly Blu-Ray ssif into a 3D format which fits to my 'outdated' 2-D projector for example.
BD3D2MK3D comes handy for converting 3D Blu-ray sources to Anaglyphs on DVD5 (using tsMuxer for authoring rather than mkv), which playback well on my 'outdated' 2D-Standalone + LCD TV.

[tyee]

Right. I understand

I'm doing some tests and comparing sbs to o/u and I'm tending to like o/u better for the 3D wow effect. It seems definitely sharper and that helps the effects. What do others think?