RealAnime 5 - Feature Request and Development Thread

[Eretria-chan]

Unlike the .NET Framework, they don't take up more than a couple of mbs. Have you done a search for msvc70.dll, msvc71.dll? You'd be surprised how many of those files are bundled with programs. Waste of space, you might say, since you only have to put them once in your windows\system32 directory.

UPDATE: On second pass, I now see Running video encoding in the log.

[Robutix]

It's ok with me to get it from bundled programs. Since it will still exists only once on system32. So installing the updated runtime (extra space) won't be necessary. Since devs are expected to include this on their programs as they are not yet standard.

For now, my system doesn't need this extra dlls. That's why theres no need for me to install it. I only saw this error first time in RA5.

[Eretria-chan]

Do a search. I bet you'll find at least one of those files on your HD. Most programs copy it to the directory of the application and not to windows\system32. RA simply does not bundle this dll at all.

[Robutix]

RA should be. Or else it should include the new C++ runtime in the list of minimum requirements for RA5 to run on everone's system. This would put most newbies or even average users to "uhh?" :confused: Not a user-friendly approach.

[Eretria-chan]

I bet Sirber didn't know it required it or he'd have included it. I know how he is.

[Robutix]

That's why I'm here to report it. :p He just bundled ffdshow to RA anyway... Good thing I've tested it under a normal environment. So no further testings for me as of now. I'll wait for alpha2. You just continue the testings while you're at it. I gonna preserve my normal system. So I can test for missing ones again. ;)

[Eretria-chan]

Audio encoding failed. I would be happier if audio is encoded first since if it fails, I won't have wasted 2+ hours worth of encoding.

It also appears that during the first pass, the last digit on ETA is pushed outside the GUI. You need to make it wider, mate.
Aside from that, maybe a feature that could calculate the total ETA would be possible? You know, RA takes into account how long it takes to encode one video / the amount of minutes. Total number of minutes (of all files) * time per minute. And a progress bar too, if possible! Gotta love those.

[Sirber]

That's lots to read :)

the DLL will be bundeled.
there will be 2 version: lite version and full version
there will be an updater (web)
x264 realtime log will not have "encoding frame: ", so ETA will be ok
I have no plan for progress bar, realtime log is sufficient.

@lain

please check the bugs about the filelist.

[Eretria-chan]

I have no plan for progress bar, realtime log is sufficient.
But it would be cool!!
The program must look cool, so that you can put a nice slogan to it ;)

[Robutix]

Glad to hear all of that, Sirber!

Please don't forget to include the pop-up infos for every box or filter to click. Maybe on the final release. For users to have some idea what each of those filters do? Like me who doesn't know what each filter actually do to the source. So we could expect what we would like to fix from the source. Also the infos regarding the differences with Normal, Better, Best. At most all buttons that need some infos for dummies. Just like on RA4. :D

[Eretria-chan]

Uhhh, I really don't think it needs to be explained about the audio/video settings? I mean, I get that Better is better than Normal and so on. But perhaps recommended requirements to get a good speed.

No progress for audio analysis :/
And some stupid number for audio encoding :/

UPDATE: Converting to matroska: Access violation in mkvmerge.exe.
UPDATE2: Furthermore, it deletes the original, encoded track. The .mp4 file.

[Sirber]

I plan a "preview mode" in the menu of the file list, so you can preview filtering.

[Eretria-chan]

Serious bugs!

[Sirber]

UPDATE: Converting to matroska: Access violation in mkvmerge.exe.nothing I can do :)
UPDATE2: Furthermore, it deletes the original, encoded track. The .mp4 file.I delete everything in the temp folder after successful encode.

[Eretria-chan]

I will attempt to recover that file, but I can't hope for anything. You must doing something wrong, though.
Make sure everything succeeds before deleting a file! >_<

GONE!! IT'S GONE!! NOOOO!!!!

After encoding had finished, it won't start again when I select Encoding -> Start. It just prompts Encoding Finished.

[Robutix]

Omg, the bugs are coming out. *where's the spray can*

But I still hope to see some simple pop-up infos like what you already did on Upsize and DeRainbow boxes. Also with the Sharp, Smooth, Normal panel. Coz this adjectives don't give that much of a difference for a common user. I can't give comparisons without the actual info behind each filters. While the others are too technical for me to tweak. Of course it would be be a hassle for someone to just visit this forum or search the net to understand what Inverse Telecine do or DeInterlacing. I'm speaking for the possible users I would share this program with. And without the proper help files, maybe a simple info on each box would suffice.

Anyway, fix the crucial part first at the moment. I hope you'll see where you messed up. Ganbatte!

[Sirber]

I will attempt to recover that file, but I can't hope for anything. You must doing something wrong, though.
Make sure everything succeeds before deleting a file! >_<

GONE!! IT'S GONE!! NOOOO!!!!
In MP4 --> MKV convertion, I delete the source MP4 which is supposed to the the output from RA5 :)

After encoding had finished, it won't start again when I select Encoding -> Start. It just prompts Encoding Finished.if there's nothing to encode...

[Sirber]

But I still hope to see some simple pop-up infos like what you already did on Upsize and DeRainbow boxes. Also with the Sharp, Smooth, Normal panel. Coz this adjectives don't give that much of a difference for a common user. I can't give comparisons without the actual info behind each filters. While the others are too technical for me to tweak. Of course it would be be a hassle for someone to just visit this forum or search the net to understand what Inverse Telecine do or DeInterlacing. I'm speaking for the possible users I would share this program with. And without the proper help files, maybe a simple info on each box would suffice.I'm sure "Smooth" means more to the end user than "Bilinear", and "Deinterlace" more than "TDeint.dll" ;)

[Eretria-chan]

In MP4 --> MKV convertion, I delete the source MP4 which is supposed to the the output from RA5 :)
I couldn't recover it using a recovery program either.
Why not just video & audio using mkvmerge? Why this "conversion"?

if there's nothing to encode...
What if I want to re-encode the file? Maybe something that clears its status.

[LAIN]

After encoding had finished, it won't start again when I select Encoding -> Start. It just prompts Encoding Finished.

if your file is tagged as "done" it wont encode it again.

* MKV merge is not totally functionnal, we need to fix few stuff related to this. it's still unstable since it's not a native feature and it was added after.

* for the list, i'll take a look tonight when i'll come home (I dont have time to code during the day ... unlike Sirber :D)

[Robutix]

I'm sure "Smooth" means more to the end user than "Bilinear", and "Deinterlace" more than "TDeint.dll" Is it that simple? So how biliniear differs from bicubic? as smooth differs from normal? :confused: So bilinearity smoothens a "normal" output?

[Sirber]

I couldn't recover it using a recovery program either.
Why not just video & audio using mkvmerge? Why this "conversion"?Less coding. Main output is MP4, so code is done for mp4. MKV is just an "addon".

What if I want to re-encode the file? Maybe something that clears its status.Clear finished and readd it.

Is it that simple? So how biliniear differs from bicubic? as smooth differs from normal? :confused: So bilinearity smoothens a "normal" output.So you want me to make a small popup explaining exactly and in detail how the filters work? will not be very user friendly. Wikipedia is also your friend, as well as doom9 search ;)

[Eretria-chan]

* MKV merge is not totally functionnal, we need to fix few stuff related to this. it's still unstable since it's not a native feature and it was added after.
Maybe some testing feature that lets RA skip audio & video encoding and mux directly? It would help solve these problems without spending an hour encoding for nothing.

Also, bilinear is a smoothing filter. Also used in games.

[Sirber]

Maybe some testing feature that lets RA skip audio & video encoding and mux directly? It would help solve these problems without spending an hour encoding for nothing.No point testing merging something not encoded...

[Eretria-chan]

Isn't the idea to test and get the merging procedure right before trying to merge the encoded files?
I can stop RA from deleting the temporary files after an encode and use them as a testing point for the merging procedure.

[LAIN]

Less coding. Main output is MP4, so code is done for mp4. MKV is just an "addon".


We will do more test related to mkv ouput, if the test all fail or fail too much time we might consider to remove the mkv output and the user would convert the file (if they want to have mkv files instead of mp4)

[Edit]
Less pain for us (coding and debugging time) and less pain for you (less bug report related to mkv output) :)

[Robutix]

Also, bilinear is a smoothing filter. Also used in games.
No Sirber not a detailed one, maybe like this one Eretria-chan sampled. But not that exactly. Maybe saying "used best for pixelated visuals", or something like that. :o
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That's why mp4 was the intended output in the first place... ^0^

[Eretria-chan]

[Edit]
Less pain for us (coding and debugging time) and less pain for you (less bug report related to mkv output) :)
More pain for me because I have to convert manually. All the more reason for me to build my own gui.

[Robutix]

Why not use mp4 instead? It's not that allergic to avoid... ;)

[LAIN]

More pain for me because I have to convert manually. All the more reason for me to build my own gui.

you can use the gui of mkv to convert manually and it can be done really fast.

I was telling to sirber maybe to do a soft too batch convert to mkv. It would help the end user related to this matter and since it would be a "dedicated" soft related only to mkv, we remove all the unnecessary soft in realanime and do a gui for mkv convertions.

[Sirber]

More pain for me because I have to convert manually. You can make a batch file in seconds... with all the settings you like.
All the more reason for me to build my own gui.Go ahead, stop buging us and finally we'll have a GUI like we want. ;)

[Eretria-chan]

you can use the gui of mkv to convert manually and it can be done really fast.
Not if you have 100+ files to convert.

You can make a batch file in seconds... with all the settings you like.
Takes years to sort out.

Go ahead, stop buging us and finally we'll have a GUI like we want. :)
Then gimme the RA5 source.

[Robutix]

Then gimme the RA5 source.
As if you have the right to demand that. XD

[Sirber]

Then gimme the RA5 source.RA5 is closed source.

[Eretria-chan]

Then I can't do anything. Impossible, mate.

[Eretria-chan]

I find it very strange that mkvmerge can successfully merge that mp4 file into mkv, while RA5 cannot.

[Sirber]

// Make CLI
sCmd := oSetting.sPath + 'mkv\mkvmerge.exe ';
sCmd := sCmd + '-o "' + sMKVOutput + '" ';
sCmd := sCmd + '"' + oSetting.sOutput + '" ';
pretty basic ;)

[Eretria-chan]

Command line: "mkvmerge" -o "E:\Downloads\[K-F]_One_Piece_199_[6E5DB6D9].mkv" -a 2 -d 1 -S E:\Downloads\[K-F]_One_Piece_199_[6E5DB6D9].mp4 --track-order 0:1,0:2

[Sirber]

I will dump the full installer and release only the small one.
I will post instructions on what packages are needed and how to enable OGM/MKV as input.

[Eretria-chan]

I still want the source, though. Especially now that you've disabled the helpful log that displayed what programs to call and what command line arguments.

[Robutix]

Are intructions also posted on your site? Hey, why your site changed its layout to a simple one?

[Sirber]

Are intructions also posted on your site? Hey, why your site changed its layout to a simple one?I'm fed up with public projects, public development, public support, etc. I'm dumping everything. So RA5 might be the last release from us.

[Eretria-chan]

All the more reason I should have a look at the source. Someone has to carry the legacy on. Meh.

[Sirber]

Not sure we have the same vision about RealAnime. Best you make your own GUI for your own needs.

[Eretria-chan]

Ah, don't worry. I will not continue RealAnime. It's in Delphi. Will not use Delphi. But I don't know how you perform your encoding operation. That's why I need source.

[Sirber]

Ah, don't worry. I will not continue RealAnime. It's in Delphi. Will not use Delphi. But I don't know how you perform your encoding operation. That's why I need source.RA5 is closed source.
case closed.

[Eretria-chan]

Feh. You always were the stubborn and sulky one. Perhaps you will come around. Perhaps not. If not, then I will have to live with the RA4 source. And it's your fault nothing it won't be as good as RA5. Your stubborness is not becoming you.
You fail to see the good and you throw everything away.

[Sirber]

Feh. You always were the stubborn and sulky one. Perhaps you will come around. Perhaps not. If not, then I will have to live with the RA4 source. And it's your fault nothing it won't be as good as RA5. Your stubborness is not becoming you.
You fail to see the good and you throw everything away.
Aren't you going a bit far?

[Eretria-chan]

You said yourself that RA *is* going to end. If not this release, then the next. Who is to carry on improving RA?

[Sirber]

You said yourself that RA *is* going to end. If not this release, then the next. Who is to carry on improving RA?nobody? as usual.
if RA has to end, it will. Nothing you can do about that.

As this discution is going nowhere, I suggest you stop here.