RealAnime 5 - Feature Request and Development Thread

[Eretria-chan]

The following script might be useful for comparing the videos:

# If Videos start at different frames
frameadjust=0

# Videos to compare: (v1 is original, v2 is encoded or whatever)
v1 = DirectShowSOurce("Full Metal Alchemist - 01 - 413, 3 bframes.mkv")
v2 = DirectShowSOurce("Full Metal Alchemist - 01 - 413, 16 bframes.mkv")
sub = v1.subtract(v2)
substrong = sub.levels(122,1,132,0,255)

return StackVertical \
( \
StackHorizontal \
( \
v1.subtitle("3 b-frames"), v2.subtitle("16 b-frames") \
), \
StackHorizontal \
( \
sub.subtitle("Difference"), substrong.subtitle("Difference amplified") \
) \
)

[Weltall]

Hey Sirber, I really enjoy your work on RealAnime! It's the best software I have ever used =D

Well, I just wanted to ask you to add some stuff I really missed in it.

- I wanted RA to continue encoding files even if some file gives me an error. Sometimes I let my pc working over night with many files to encode. I go to my classes, after to some friend's house, and when I come back, after 15 hours, I have an encoder error in the first file... damn corrupt files!!!
- It was very cool if I could adjust different settings for each anime (or a selection) in the queue. For example, I've added some episodes of different animes, with different lengths, so I wanted to be possible to select some of them and adjust only their settings. so I could have control of the size of each anime on the end. I really miss this, cause I always get and encode the latest episode of my favorite animes at the same time, so I never have many equal length files to encode in a batch (I've used windows search many times trying to find that to encode). Maybe... an option for queue list saving in a text file! This would be very useful, I could let encoding and stay away of my pc for years
- The possibility to move a file up and down in the queue.

I think that would make RA batch encoding even better.

Well, since I really trust on you, I wanted you to help me in some doubts I always had, since I began to use RA:
-Which matrice gives me better results: Low Bitrate Matrice or main x264 matrice? I always encode my files to 50MB, using High Quality, 2 pass, @24kbps AAC PS Audio. I really like the output, but I never know which matrice to use. That little empty square waiting to be marked always confuse me :S
-That B Frames, shall I use 3 or more B Frame in ->your opinion, since I use that settings I mentioned above? How many?
- Is mp4 container better than matroska's? I'm really lost on it now, cause I was muxing all my eps to matroska, but I saw your mp4 preference and now I don't know what to do. I noticed mkv is much faster advancing in time on the file than mp4 (at least in MPC), so why to choose mp4? I have many episodes in my HD with mkv container, I searched in every corner of this world for a mkv to mp4 muxer, so I could have my mp4 files back, but I didn't find :'(! I tried to demux the tracks with MatroskaGUI and mux them with YAMB, but video and audio delay is like 1 minute, maybe avc1 isn't properly supported on MKVGUI. Could you help me on it?
And one last thing, will you use NeroDigital like main audio, is it better -> in your opinion?

Sorry if I asked some dumb question or suggested something that was already suggested or unecessary for you. Sorry for my messed words and sorry for this post's size. I think I'll never need to post again...
Thanks Sirber for indirectly help me all this time! I'm your fan!

[Sirber]

- I wanted RA to continue encoding files even if some file gives me an error. Sometimes I let my pc working over night with many files to encode. I go to my classes, after to some friend's house, and when I come back, after 15 hours, I have an encoder error in the first file... damn corrupt files!!!that's already in RA5 :)
- It was very cool if I could adjust different settings for each anime (or a selection) in the queue. For example, I've added some episodes of different animes, with different lengths, so I wanted to be possible to select some of them and adjust only their settings. so I could have control of the size of each anime on the end. I really miss this, cause I always get and encode the latest episode of my favorite animes at the same time, so I never have many equal length files to encode in a batch (I've used windows search many times trying to find that to encode). Maybe... an option for queue list saving in a text file! This would be very useful, I could let encoding and stay away of my pc for years
sorry, that is hard to manage and not very user friendly :(
- The possibility to move a file up and down in the queue.gonna add that :)

-Which matrice gives me better results: Low Bitrate Matrice or main x264 matrice? I always encode my files to 50MB, using High Quality, 2 pass, @24kbps AAC PS Audio. I really like the output, but I never know which matrice to use. That little empty square waiting to be marked always confuse me :SIn my test quality was lower with low bitrate matrice so it's not in RA5 anymore. Best keep to main matrice.
-That B Frames, shall I use 3 or more B Frame in ->your opinion, since I use that settings I mentioned above? How many?I did not test a lot yet, but if your source is noisy more bframes will kill quality.
- Is mp4 container better than matroska's? I'm really lost on it now, cause I was muxing all my eps to matroska, but I saw your mp4 preference and now I don't know what to do. I noticed mkv is much faster advancing in time on the file than mp4 (at least in MPC), so why to choose mp4? I have many episodes in my HD with mkv container, I searched in every corner of this world for a mkv to mp4 muxer, so I could have my mp4 files back, but I didn't find :'(! I tried to demux the tracks with MatroskaGUI and mux them with YAMB, but video and audio delay is like 1 minute, maybe avc1 isn't properly supported on MKVGUI. Could you help me on it?hum... MP4 is the standard container for AVC/AAC while MKV is a general purpose container. MP4 also have HW support while MKV only work on PC with special filters. About the delay best ask in Container forums.

[Eretria-chan]

sorry, that is hard to manage and not very user friendly :(
Sirber, would it be possible with the following?
The settings tab are "global" settings as usual. They apply to everything you add to the list. However, if you right-click, you could have an option to select settings from there. Like, bring up a dialog that allows per-file settings.
To support this idea, I would build a class that for each input file that contains all info for that file, ie filename and settings. It shouldn't be hard. If you could do it, all the better. Of course, that is up to you.

[Sirber]

Sirber, would it be possible with the following?
The settings tab are "global" settings as usual. They apply to everything you add to the list. However, if you right-click, you could have an option to select settings from there. Like, bring up a dialog that allows per-file settings.
To support this idea, I would build a class that for each input file that contains all info for that file, ie filename and settings. It shouldn't be hard. If you could do it, all the better. Of course, that is up to you.Unless some of you are willing to code it, it's out of the question.

[Eretria-chan]

I can't code Delphi. But I could write a dll to interface with. But I guess that, too, is out of the question.

[daverc]

Do you still save settings and filelist in the same xml ?
Adding a save + load current config will be much easier to do.
For almost same purpose.

[Sirber]

Do you still save settings and filelist in the same xml ?Yes
Adding a save + load current config will be much easier to do.Already have that. :)

[Sirber]

16 bframes is evil!!! gonna stick to 3.

the bitrate I use is too low and it makes dancing blur squares.

[Weltall]

Hey Sirber, I wasn't talking about a delay, properly said. The problem is: when I extract the tracks with Matroska gui, video file is different, it has less length than the original file. So when I mux with the audio track, the mp4 output is wrong. Please, make a test, mux to mkv an anime in mp4 you have converted with realanime, so try to remux it to mp4 with YAMB/mp4box, say me what you get. If you get it right, tell me how did you do, cause I want all my animes in mp4.

And one last thing, will you use NeroDigital like main audio, is it better -> in your opinion?
What about that?

Thanks Sirber!

[Sirber]

Hey Sirber, I wasn't talking about a delay, properly said. The problem is: when I extract the tracks with Matroska gui, video file is different, it has less length than the original file. So when I mux with the audio track, the mp4 output is wrong. Please, make a test, mux to mkv an anime in mp4 you have converted with realanime, so try to remux it to mp4 with YAMB/mp4box, say me what you get. If you get it right, tell me how did you do, cause I want all my animes in mp4.Still, best ask in Container forum since it doesn't have much to do with RealAnime. Sorry :(
What about that?I've been told Nero is better at 24 and 48 than winamp, but I cannot hear the difference :)

[Weltall]

Ehehe, thanks, and sorry for that, you are sure, I just asked cause I think of you like the anime encoding man! Of curse, daverc is sharing that position now =D

Thanks Stéphane! :D

[Sirber]

still having troubles with audio delay, in Naruto 184, I have a delay of -0.3ms, the "AAC delay fix" applied delay. I think I cannot always apply the theorical AAC delay. maybe I will make the option a checkbox instead of "always".

[Sirber]

We're still working on RA5 ;)

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/4920/ra51nw.jpg

[killerhex]

:) great

[clone83]

have we got an approximate date of when it will be released...? or atleast a rc or alpha or a beta...?

[Sirber]

still no ETA, but past weekend MKV/OGM/MP4 input support has been added. Still need to add MKV output (~10 minutes work) then some testing. Then we might be OK for a public test.

[killerhex]

sirber have you tested h264 to rmvb conversion

[Sirber]

sirber have you tested h264 to rmvb conversionno, rmvb code is not done yet.

[Weltall]

Thanks for your support Sirber! About that container thing, Kurtnoise have helped me. I tought you would welcome every asks or hints. Sorry I asked you all that questions, I superestimated you. Thanks for this great software.

[Sirber]

Seems the "delay" is only bad if source is AAC, and not everything like in RA4 using BeSweet.

[Sirber]

ffmpeg2thoera:
File C:\Projets\RealAnime5\dist\temp\source.avs has unknown data format

no avs input :eek:

removing Theora from RA5

[clone83]

and add divx6 with the divx extension aswell please

[Sirber]

isn't divx VFW?

to add MPEG4 ASP I would add XviD... ;)

[Sirber]

ffmpeg2thoera:
File C:\Projets\RealAnime5\dist\temp\source.avs has unknown data format

no avs input :eek:

removing Theora from RA5found an update to it, now it works.
producer is the next on the list :)

[Eretria-chan]

Noooooooooooooooooooo! Bigger size :p
Okay, fine, go ahead, as long as it makes you happy ;)

[Sirber]

Noooooooooooooooooooo! Bigger size :p
Okay, fine, go ahead, as long as it makes you happy ;)RealAnime 5 Lite will only have x264 and aac, and is about 5,3MB.

[Eretria-chan]

Suggestion: add a feature to let RA start encoding when windows starts! I *always* forget to start it until some hours later >_<

[Sirber]

could add a cmdline flag, like "RealAnime5.exe /start" so you can add it in windows.

It would:
1) Start RA5
2) Minimize RA5 (tray)
3) Start encoding if files are in the list

[Eretria-chan]

Better than nothing!

[Sirber]

Better than nothing!so, will be ok?

[Eretria-chan]

Since you obviously don't want to add an option in RA to do this, this will suffice. It works and that is all that matters.

[Sirber]

Since you obviously don't want to add an option in RA to do this, this will suffice. It works and that is all that matters.I could add a "tool" to make that for ya, using the same principe stated above.

[Eretria-chan]

Insufficient! :devil:
Okay, I know it's a simple thing to do. But it would save me time! So... :thanks:

[killerhex]

sirber do you use the RV10dropdupe in RA

[Sirber]

RA5 will use a tweaked curve compression, while RA4 use the old bitrate allocator.

still thinking about dropping RV10, i.e. only keeping x264. I should cast a poll on that.

[killerhex]

NOOOOOOO do not drop please

[Sirber]

no improvement to the codec since RealAnime 2 or 3...

[Sirber]

Full installer is 16MB whitout producer, ~19 with.
Light is still ~5MB :)

[Sirber]

The AAC delay problem only affect if the source is AAC. If the source is MP3 the fix is not needed.

So we will all enjoy a delay-free encode with RealAnime 5! :D

[killerhex]

Full installer is 16MB whitout producer, ~19 with.
Light is still ~5MB :)


i saw in the website Also, we dedided to remove RealVideo 10 from RealAnime 5. x264/aac is simply the best solution for today's encoding.

or theres 3 installers

full[w/o producer]
with producer
and light

[Sirber]

I don't see the point of working 3h+ to make the code to use producer while most people will not use it. It's time to upgrade my friend... or stick with old tools.

[killerhex]

so any release soon

[killerhex]

[7/8/2006 : 11:11:13 AM] : Log File Creation
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:13 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:13 AM] : ***** Merging file to MKV (MKVMerge) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:13 AM] : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\mkv\mkvmerge.exe --title "Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.3" -o "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\_[08D4D190].mkv"
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:13 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:15 AM] : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:31
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:15 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:15 AM] : Error: The output file 'C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\].mkv' could not be opened for writing (No such file or directory).
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:15 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:15 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:15 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:15 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] : ***** Merging file to MKV (MKVMerge) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\mkv\mkvmerge.exe --title "Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.3" -o "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\.mkv"
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:31
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] : Error: The output file 'C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\[Shinsen-Subs]?_Blood+?_33?_[08D4D190].mkv' could not be opened for writing (No such file or directory).
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:11:41 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:55 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:55 AM] : ***** Merging file to MKV (MKVMerge) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:55 AM] : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\mkv\mkvmerge.exe --title "Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.3" -o "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\[Shinsen-Subs]?_Blood+?_33?_[08D4D190].mkv"
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:55 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:56 AM] : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:31
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:56 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:56 AM] : Error: The output file 'C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\.mkv' could not be opened for writing (No such file or directory).
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:56 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:56 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:56 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:12:56 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] : ***** Merging file to MKV (MKVMerge) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\mkv\mkvmerge.exe --title "Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.3" -o "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\[.mkv"
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:31
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] : Error: The output file 'C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\].mkv' could not be opened for writing (No such file or directory).
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:03 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:31 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:31 AM] : ***** Merging file to MKV (MKVMerge) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:31 AM] : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\mkv\mkvmerge.exe --title "Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.3" -o "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\.mkv"
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:31 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:32 AM] : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:31
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:32 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:32 AM] : Error: The output file 'C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\.mkv' could not be opened for writing (No such file or directory).
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:32 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:32 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:32 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:14:32 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:51 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:51 AM] : ***** Merging file to MKV (MKVMerge) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:51 AM] : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\mkv\mkvmerge.exe --title "Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.3" -o "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\].mkv"
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:51 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:52 AM] : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:31
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:52 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:52 AM] : Error: The output file 'C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\output\.mkv' could not be opened for writing (No such file or directory).
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:52 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:52 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:52 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:15:52 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:48 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:48 AM] : ***** Merging file to MKV (MKVMerge) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:48 AM] : C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\mkv\mkvmerge.exe --title "Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.3" -o "C:\Documents and Settings\H-B-S\Desktop\Ani\misc\.mkv"
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:48 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:49 AM] : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:31
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:49 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:49 AM] : Error: The output file 'C:\Documents and Settings\H-B-S\Desktop\Ani\misc\.mkv' could not be opened for writing (No such file or directory).
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:49 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:49 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:49 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:49 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] : ***** Merging file to RMVB (rmvbmux) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] : "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\bin\rmvbmux.exe" -o "C:\Documents and Settings\H-B-S\Desktop\Ani\misc\.rmvb"
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] : No input
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] : No input
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:56 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] : ***** Merging file to RMVB (rmvbmux) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] : "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\bin\rmvbmux.exe" -o "C:\Documents and Settings\H-B-S\Desktop\Ani\misc\].rmvb"
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] : No input
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] : No input
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:57 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:58 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:58 AM] : ***** Merging file to RMVB (rmvbmux) *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:58 AM] : "C:\Program Files\RealAnime 4\bin\rmvbmux.exe" -o "C:\Documents and Settings\H-B-S\Desktop\Ani\misc\.rmvb"
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:58 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:59 AM] : No input
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:59 AM] : No input
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:59 AM] :
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:59 AM] : ***** ERROR *****
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:59 AM] : Merge error #3(Mkv Merge)
[7/8/2006 : 11:16:59 AM] :


i cant encode with v4.1.3 anymore i get this in the log

all it does is skip the encoding process to the muxing no encoding

[Sirber]

this thread is not about "when will it be released" nor 4.1.3 bug report. thanks.

[killerhex]

oh ok

[Sirber]

we should have alpha 1 or something like that avalible in a week. not much left to do, like MKV output.

RealVideo 10 has been removed and will not be added back. The only way to change my mind is to get 100$ in my paypal account, which is ~33$/h to add producer.

also, happy birthday to me! :D I'm so drunk I can actually enjoy it :D

[killerhex]

so x264 is the only codec in ra5

[clone83]

how about also keeping xvid in it aswell....? with a button to click on to set it up for the encode...? and also how about the same thing with x264.... cause im sure there are more options that we cant access to adjust for each encode...?

[Eretria-chan]

Sirber does not want to add per movie settings unless someone is willing to code it.