RealAnime 5 - Feature Request and Development Thread [Archive] - Page 6

Eretria-chan

13th July 2006, 18:25

I think Eretria-chan's asking too much to consider that insignificant option in the new release... Batch processing should be used to list files you want to encode. So why bother (or annoy) Sirber to fetch a code that can sort what's in or out when you yourself can sort out what you want to encode than not? Ok, let's say overwrite as a default might be a bad idea. But it might be good too in the sense that you want to re-encode and overwrite a poorly encoded batch output through RA for example. RA cannot provide every option you want and thus neglect other people's choices by such. Practically, some work should be handled by the user itself MANUALLY. :sly:
Spare me your ranting. It seems that you do not understand what it does, and I have explained it SO WELL. It is a SIMPLE OPTION that tells RA what to do when it finds a duplicate in the output directory.

Sirber

13th July 2006, 20:30

I'm going to test 276kbps for video, 16kbps and 24kbps for audio. If the tests goes well, this will be the new bitrate chart:

Video:
default: 276kbps

Audio:
Low: 16kbps
Med: 24kbps
High: 32kbps

default: 24kbps

Eretria-chan

13th July 2006, 20:35

spinstate

13th July 2006, 20:37

Just wondering, any chance of adding the feature of auto-updating for the latest version of components (like in MeGUI), or is that too complicated?

Sirber

13th July 2006, 20:50

Hmm, are you sure it will go down that low? I disagree on the audio. Myself, I require 48 kbps. Could you at least add Very high with 48 kbps?
With such low settings, file size will be lower, but I'm worried that it will look terrible fullscreen with a big monitor with such high resolution.I could add a Highest setting, sure.
Just wondering, any chance of adding the feature of auto-updating for the latest version of components (like in MeGUI), or is that too complicated?could be done, unless if it's an update for RealAnime5.exe. How can a process kill himself, and start itself back with the new version? :confused:

spinstate

13th July 2006, 21:09

you could use a batch file along with taskkill.exe on Windows XP, but this wouldn't work on Windows 2000.

Sirber

13th July 2006, 21:21

We will make an external software, RealAnime Updater, which will compare locak XML file with remote XML file, then take the right action.

Lain will be in charge of this project. Should be made in FreePascal (lazarus) with Synapse (http://www.ararat.cz/synapse/), and run on linux and windows :D

spinstate

13th July 2006, 21:24

That's good news then :D

Sirber

13th July 2006, 21:44

but, IMO most updates will be made in the alpha/beta stage and not when 5.0.0 stable hit. Also, we prefer to make a total new version from scratch when the mod to do are too big.

still, can be fun! :D

spinstate

13th July 2006, 22:19

I suppose x264, mkvtoolnix, mp4box etc. will need updating the most..

Sirber

13th July 2006, 22:39

I suppose x264, mkvtoolnix, mp4box etc. will need updating the most..RealAnime5.exe, x264, that's it.

I tested 276kbps + 24kbps, and the sound is a bit bad for intro songs. Video is nice though. I will remake the test at 268+32 and post all 3 files.

[edit]

Saving 10MB per file is great though :D x264 kick ass as usual! :D

Sirber

13th July 2006, 23:13

enhAacPlusEnc.exe quality seems better than winamp at 24kbps. Sounds the same at 32kbps.

a little question, is anyone using RA to encode to iPod?

Sirber

13th July 2006, 23:25

spinstate

13th July 2006, 23:32

is enhAacPlusEnc.exe the same as neroAacEnc , or are they different?

Sirber

13th July 2006, 23:33

Nero, Winamp and enhAacPlusEnc are different codecs.

I think the best way is to move to enhAacPlusEnc and remove iPod support, which is bad anyway, which needs winamp codec for AAC LC encoding, else I would have to bundle winamp and enhaacplusenc :(

Sirber

13th July 2006, 23:48

Would look like this with iPod removed :)
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/765/ra53fi.png

LAIN

14th July 2006, 01:01

Audio test:

16kbps AAC HE+PS (http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/130706/1152828986/test_16.mp4)
24kbps AAC HE+PS (http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/130706/1152829357/test_24.mp4)
32kbps AAC HE+PS (http://www.mooload.com/new/file.php?file=files/130706/1152829522/test_32.mp4)

My conclusions:
16kbps is horrible!
24kbps is a bit metallic but good in general
32kbps is good

I want comments!!! :devil:

here is other link to download the files if mooload is to busy:

http://files.detritus.qc.ca/files/test_audio/test_16.mp4
http://files.detritus.qc.ca/files/test_audio/test_24.mp4
http://files.detritus.qc.ca/files/test_audio/test_32.mp4

I've listen both 3 version of the files... the difference between 16 and 24 is major and between 24 and 32 its basicly on the high and low sounds. There is less metalic noise on 32.

Personnally, i will stick to 32 kbps, i prefer not to have a big difference between the original sound and the reencoded one.

killerhex

14th July 2006, 02:18

great work i think this a little too late and stupid to ask

how about a separate installer for rv10 support

Kayser

14th July 2006, 02:26

Good :) I'm really looking forward to the alpha.
Just one comment. I second Eretria concerning the audio bitrates. Personally I use 48kbps most of the time, but use 64 quite a lot as well. Please add higher profiles for audio Sirber.

Sirber

14th July 2006, 02:29

great work i think this a little too late and stupid to ask

how about a separate installer for rv10 support
I don't see the point of working 3h+ to make the code to use producer while most people will not use it. It's time to upgrade my friend... or stick with old tools.
:stupid:
Good :) I'm really looking forward to the alpha.
Just one comment. I second Eretria concerning the audio bitrates. Personally I use 48kbps most of the time, but use 64 quite a lot as well. Please add higher profiles for audio Sirber.
enhAacPlusEnc encode AAC HE+PS at 32kbps and bellow and HE at 48kbps and above. Unfortunately, the codec seems borked and produce glitches at 48kbps. Unless they fix it, RealAnime will only use 16 to 32kbps.

killerhex

14th July 2006, 03:54

this is the info on a file i encoded to h264=aac

File size : 81.6 MiB
Format : Matroska
Overal BitRate : 467 Kbps
PlayTime : 24mn 24s
Movie name : Encoded with : RealAnime 4.1.2
Encoded date : UTC 2006-05-17 13:30:17
Writing application : mkvmerge v1.6.5 ('Watcher Of The Skies') built on Dec 7 2005 18:53:53
Writing library : libebml v0.7.6 + libmatroska v0.8.0

Video #0
Codec : MPEG-4 AVC
Info : MPEG4 ISO advanced profile
Bit rate : 455 Kbps
Width : 640
Height : 480
Aspect ratio : 4/3
Frame rate : 25 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.059
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AAC LC-SBR
Info : AAC Low Complexity with Spectral Band Replication
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44 KHz
Language : Japanese

the video and audio came out fine good quality

modsoul

14th July 2006, 04:35

spinstate

14th July 2006, 09:28

enhAacPlusEnc encode AAC HE+PS at 32kbps and bellow and HE at 48kbps and above. Unfortunately, the codec seems borked and produce glitches at 48kbps. Unless they fix it, RealAnime will only use 16 to 32kbps.

Are you going to add support for the Nero command-line encoder (neroAacEnc)?

Eretria-chan

14th July 2006, 11:43

enhAacPlusEnc encode AAC HE+PS at 32kbps and bellow and HE at 48kbps and above. Unfortunately, the codec seems borked and produce glitches at 48kbps. Unless they fix it, RealAnime will only use 16 to 32kbps.
WTF, last time I checked, 32 kbps didn't cut it :/ And then they BREAK 48 kbps? Bastards!

Sirber

14th July 2006, 11:55

Are you going to add support for the Nero command-line encoder (neroAacEnc)?nope, nero is incompatible with avs2wav.

does realanime 4 work on linuix ?
or is it just RA 5Both should run under wine.

Sirber

14th July 2006, 11:56

this is the info on a file i encoded to h264=aac

the video and audio came out fine good qualityThis has nothing to do with RealAnime 5. :sly:
Might have something to do with RealAnime 4, but latest version of 4 is 4.2.0 ;)

Robutix

14th July 2006, 15:22

Uhh, about the iPod support I might test it out since I have a friend who likes to backup an anime movie to his iPod or cellphone. Anyway, do any codecs used in RA5 incompatible with the current iPod player, that's why it needs a separate profile?

Also, is the "encode audio" check box option removed? Since if we want the raw audio to be untouched like for example we're encoding a OP/ED song of an anime...

Sirber

14th July 2006, 15:29

iPod only support AVC level 1.3 with no bframes. RealAnime 5 profil is unrestricted level and will not work on iPod. Also, iPod don't handle AACplus (HE, HE+PS), only LC. Best use RealAnime 4 with iPod profil if you want ipod compatibility.

Robutix

14th July 2006, 15:37

How about the "encode audio" option box?

EDIT:
And also the process priority tab?

Sirber

14th July 2006, 16:13

Why would you like to not encode audio?
Isn't IDLE for encoders the best priority? So I can play Half Life 2 while I encode :D

Robutix

14th July 2006, 16:18

Why would you like to not encode audio?

Uhm, when I wanna compress a video for OP/ED song but maintain the mp3 quality of the audio, I guess. I wanna use RA too with music vids... So just to compress the vid :D

Sirber

14th July 2006, 16:20

Best use a general tool for that, like VIrtualDub.

Robutix

14th July 2006, 16:22

aww, so that feature will make its last appearance on RA4... Why not bring it also with RA5? :scared:

Sirber

14th July 2006, 16:36

aww, so that feature will make its last appearance on RA4... Why not bring it also with RA5? :scared:Coz it's a buggy feature. It doesn't work well with all sources. Also, it's against the theory of small files ;)

Robutix

14th July 2006, 16:55

Also, it's against the theory of small files ;)Yah, I thought so...

Coz it's a buggy feature. It doesn't work well with all sources.What bugs are encountered about it on RA4?

Sirber

14th July 2006, 17:45

Only work with simple OGM/MKV/MP4.
In RA5 our system changed completly and everything goes through directshow for processing, whatever it is.

spinstate

14th July 2006, 18:14

nope, nero is incompatible with avs2wav.

BePipe seems to work with the nero cli.

see: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110970&highlight=bepipe

Sirber

14th July 2006, 18:17

Delphi is not compatible with piping, also 2pass AAC does not work when using pipes :(

[edit]

also, people at nero doesn't like people distributing their encoder :)

karl_lillevold

14th July 2006, 18:26

Audio test:
My conclusions:
16kbps is horrible!
24kbps is a bit metallic but good in general
32kbps is good

I want comments!!! :devil:
I agree with your assessment. I could accept 32 kbps for low bitrate encoded material, like anime series. However, for movies to be watched on my HTPC and good quality sound system, I would need a higher bitrate. I wonder how much would be required for true 6 channel in AAC these days....

Sirber

14th July 2006, 18:28

I wonder how much would be required for true 6 channel in AAC these days....IIRC winamp AAC encoder can do 5.1...

Robutix

14th July 2006, 18:34

Best use a general tool for that, like VIrtualDub.
I just read from the other thread that VirtualDub is not a good encoder of x264 (or find a proper GUI for x264, something like that). How about that?

As I wanna encode some OP/ED songs from Animes, I think I'll need to resort to some higher Audio bitrates. But you said their code is borked/flawed above 32. Still, I wanna make use of x264 technology featured by RA5. Aww, man... :scared:

Sirber

14th July 2006, 18:43

VDub with x264 is as not good as with xvid.

Sirber

15th July 2006, 17:14

Running a test of 10 files to see if everything goes well.
Some work is still left for subtitle management.

Sirber

21st July 2006, 12:53

Here it is! First alpha 1!

Features:
Input: AVI, OGM, MP4, MKV
Output: MP4, MKV
Video: H264 with 3 profiles
Audio: AAC HE+PS from 16kbps to 32kbps

Includes:
* RealAnime 5
* MediaInfo DLL
* x264 rev 537
* Enhanced aacPlus 3GPP Floating Point Reference Encoder 6.5.0
* avs2wav
* AVISynth 260402 + filters
* ffdshow 20060420-gcc4.0.3-sse
* mkvtoolnix
* mp4box + yamb
* haali splitter
* vsfilter
* mpc
and more! ;)

Recommended hardware:
* AMD 3000+ or P4 3Ghz (Profil: normal)
* AMD 3800+ X2 or P4 Dual Core (Profil: high)
* 1GB RAM

Install note:
* Create a "temp" folder in RealAnime5 installation dir. ex: "C:\Program Files\RealAnime5\temp"

http://www.detritus.qc.ca/images/donate.png (https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=sirber@detritus.qc.ca&no_shipping=1&item_name=RealAnime)

Download (15MB) (http://files.detritus.qc.ca/realanime/RealAnime_500_a1.exe)
* 10MB smaller than RealAnime 4 :D

Eretria-chan

21st July 2006, 14:01

Error on the first try:

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4044/ra5errorsg7.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ra5errorsg7.jpg)

When I select encode -> stop, it doesn't react.
Knowing me, I selected "Better" video and soft subtitles and mkv output. Rest should be default. Btw, where's 48kbps audio? :/

Sirber

21st July 2006, 14:07

Error on the first try:

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4044/ra5errorsg7.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ra5errorsg7.jpg)

When I select encode -> stop, it doesn't react.Does the temp folder exist in RA5 folder? RA5 still don't manage it's own errors, only errors reported by encoders. So, RA5 still think it's encoding :)
Btw, where's 48kbps audio? :/Does not work well with enhaac_enc, audio has many errors in it, also this codec use HE only at this bitrate not HE+PS.

Eretria-chan

21st July 2006, 14:13

Does the temp folder exist in RA5 folder? RA5 still don't manage it's own errors, only errors reported by encoders. So, RA5 still think it's encoding :)
No temp folder exists. Couldn't find that file anywhere on the HDs either.

Does not work well with enhaac_enc, audio has many errors in it, also this codec use HE only at this bitrate not HE+PS.
Well, if possible, I still want 48 kbps unless you can convince me 32 will do fine in ALL situations.

Btw, I'm going to enable read only on all existing encoded files and add all the list and encode and see what happens. I hope you haven't programmed RA5 to remove read only attribute :sly:

Sirber

21st July 2006, 14:18

Create the "temp" folder. I added this note to the release info.

The only way to have 48kbps back is to add Winamp AAC encoder DLLs + CLI manager back, plus the code for it.
But still you'll have the same problem when RA6 comes out and winamp will not nork with RA6 since it will be Cross Platform and winamp is not.

your best move would be to test 32kbps or stick with RA4.

Eretria-chan

21st July 2006, 14:24

I will be quite happy with RA5. I'm not planning a migration to RA6.
For now, I will try 32 kbps, but if possible, I would still like 48 kbps. If possible.
EDIT: I forgot it will only move the encoded file to the output >_< Then read only is a waste of time...
EDIT2: Unable to select multiple files at once. Please fix. Otherwise it will take hours to remove all the files that I don't need to re-encode.