Old AutoRV10 discussion (closed)

[tiki4]

At least earlier versions of AutoRV10 just imported the source script into the Avisynth script. I think that only one instance of Avisynth is running that way. AFAIK resizers do nothing if input size = output size, but maybe one has to ask Sh0dan.

tiki4

[Valky]

Originally posted by Valky
Well, I have made two excellent encoding now with this latest build. Both filesizes were very accurate 233mb, but unfortunately I couldn't manage to do 2 encodings during the night. First one, was ok, but the second file is missing?

It made the .task, .log, and .rpjf files to the second file also, but no video.


Last night I tried again to make two encoding jobs during the night. This time something went horrible wrong even with the first one which was 100min movie. The filesize was only 542mb and the file is not playable. My audiofile was supposed to be 160kbs so I believe it failed to do that at all and audio is missing in that file.
The second job failed again. Is this because of that error-message after every encoding?


Ok, I give up. Last night I tried again to encode whole movie with it and again the file is only 546 and not playable. This time I had my wav inside the avs-script and everything seems to be fine with little test version using trim.

I also noticed that this program suffocated my C:\? My encoding happens in drive E:\ where I have space and I think one time this encoding failed cause it couldn't have enough space in drive C:?

[tiki4]

Nope, Valky,

AutoRV10 just writes some small script and logfiles, maybe a few MB altogether, to your C:\ drive. Did you test your AVS files in VirtualDub(Mod) or WMP before you imported them to AutoRV10? Check your setup one again, and also check the AVS AutoRV10 writes to your harddisk. Maybe some resizing goes horribly wrong. Last thing: Make sure you provide YV12 input to producer.exe.

tiki4

[Valky]

Originally posted by tiki4
Nope, Valky,

AutoRV10 just writes some small script and logfiles, maybe a few MB altogether, to your C:\ drive. Did you test your AVS files in VirtualDub(Mod) or WMP before you imported them to AutoRV10? Check your setup one again, and also check the AVS AutoRV10 writes to your harddisk. Maybe some resizing goes horribly wrong. Last thing: Make sure you provide YV12 input to producer.exe.

tiki4

Of course I tested them many times. And I even made a workin divx file with the same script so that's why I am wondering whats wrong. Btw, is it somewhere possible to see how long the whole process took time?

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

sorry for my late answer i was during 1 week without internet and under exams in my school :(

hum i think it's perhaps my function to change the tempory directory who was broken , this can explain why u don't have obtain the final file, and that it have use C:\ instead of D:\ .
i will made a new release i think this will solve the problem.
sorry :(

Bye.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

just a quick hello to post a link for an english guide on the autorv10 beta version.

http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/autorv10_guide/AutoRv10.htm

feel free to post comment and suggestions on this guide.

enjoy :)
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[victorhooi]

Nice guide, simple enough for me to understand, yet it seems to cover all the bases (just one small typo at bottom, he referred to AutoRV9 by mistake).

BTW, does anyone know if RV10 is going Gold?

Also, Dark-Cracker, will you be making a non-debug release?

Finally, can you include an option for low bitrate, say 20 or 32 kbps mono soundtracks (I posted some info on page 20).

Great program, keep it up (I'd be happy to contribute if I can, though I can't code - documentation/testing?)

Thanks,
Victor

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

i think once rv10 will finish his beta test there will probably have 2 versions 1 basic (free) and 1 gold (not free).

>Also, Dark-Cracker, will you be making a non-debug release?

once my beta tests will be finish u will have a non-debug release, until the final build u will have partially working beta version :) :) :) .

i have not start to change the audio panel but once i will work on it i will try to add lower bitrate and mono.

thank u :) as always if u want help me try to made different test on the software and report me the bugs or imprevements :)

Bye.

[Valky]

Btw, I just want to ask that does it matter if I have my Wav already inside the avs-script or if I add it manually from the audio table? Like I have already mentioned, I haven't been able to do fullsize 700mb movie with this latest release, because of some kind of bug, but normally?

I have now made many 233mb tv-episodes with separate wav, but maby wav inside the avs-script works also?

And my wavs I encode using your own Besweet_Gui_light which is excellent software for RM-encoding.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

for the moment if the audio stream is in the .avs file it will be ignored during the encoding, i must add support for avs file with audio in next release.
for the moment add manually the .wav using the audio panel.

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[#2]

I love b4 : )

Just wondering if other people have such high PF deltas with producer.exe on a 512MB machine. Or is it just my configuation -> optimised for background tasks, conservative swap usege and kernel cacheing?

Screen Shot (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~cattz/task%20mngr.jpg)

[#2]

Runtime error '9': Subscript out of range

I get this error consistantly doing batch encodes. With the vobs and d2v files togeather in separate dirs for each encode.

-----------------------------------------------------------
IDCT p3 / AMD

PAL, 16/9, neutral bicubic, anamorphic,

Deinterlace Decomb (hybrid), undot

Two pass vbr, normal motion, EHQ=100

Process Priority idle.
----------------------------------------------------------

win xp sp1

Autorv10 b4

AviSynth_200304.exe (2.55 alpha)

%50 free space in riping partition.

[meditate2]

Nice guide !

My suggestion would be, for people(like me) with less technic-knowledge would explain also the alternate options.
For example:

Where are the differences in the Video modes(at the Pass-Settings)
Or what in the hell is "max. Consecutive BF" ?(at frame settings.)
Or the advance settings...i only understand the prefilters, but the rest, i dont even know whats going on there :(

Can any1 tell me something about this anyway ?

tnx,
meditate

[Dark-Cracker]

@ #2
i have succeded to reproduce this bug it will be fixed in next release.
thank u for the bug report.

@meditate2

the pass settings are : in 1 pass cbr u made constant bitrate , quality is linear but the final size is accurate.
1 pass VBR , the bitrate is variable and the final size is not really accured. 1 pass quality instead of using the bitrate the quantizer is used , final size is really really not accurate.

2 pass vbr , final size is perfect.

for B-frame (bidirectionnal frame) i suggest u to search in the forum for a more technical description :)

Bye.

[meditate2]

@dc,
thanks for explanation.but i know about the pass modes, but i meant the videomode(sharpest motion, normal motion etc..) where are the differences and what is it good for(anime etc..)

I understand the drop-dupe prefilter from the realprod.
but where is the difference between that and the "DUP"-filter in the filter tab ? Also it would be nice it the guide to see some explanation about the filter and their results on different material.

Also what is an in-loop filter ? Or "enable-loss-protection" ? and the presets at the curve compressions ?

And prob. a bug: if i switch "undot" and "bifrost" filters on it encodes only some moments and the result file 52K big...i dont see an error at the logfile, just some lines with "EarlyExit Enabled" ????

anyway, thanks for this awesome tool, which became my number one.

[Valky]

I agree that this tool is my favourite and only choice for RM-encoding. It's also better looking than before. Now we just wait for bug-free version and before that, we try to take everything out of this little gem. Thank you.

Btw, I would also like to know more details about those settings in previous post and what about this black level -filter? I suppose it helps to reduce those scene changing parts that should be black, but usually with RM they are not. More like green. If this filter is for this purpose, will it also effect to other parts of movie? Is it safe to use?

[karl_lillevold]

meditate2: Here is an explanation of the RV10 codec settings, many of them can be set by AutoRV10: RealVideo 10 codecProperties explained (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72321). In most cases the recommended setting is to leave them alone, i.e. default. With some experience one can start to play around with some finetuning, and this has been discussed here, but for the most part, default is good (well, except if you have a reasonably fast computer, change the EHQ setting from default 80 to 90, which is the codec default, but AutoRV10's default is 80).

With regards to 'videomode', use 'normal' or 'sharp'. New in Producer 10 Gold is that with 'sharp' you the inloop thresholds are moved up slightly. Previously 'sharp' would do nothing except for very low bitrates. I use 'normal'. AutoRV10 also lets you set the inloop thresholds separately.

Re "Filter guide": Yes, it would be wonderful if someone would write a short summary for what all the filters do. Personally, I use only two filters: Fluxsmooth for grainy/noisy material, and Decomb for inverse telecine, but others prefer to play around with all sorts of filters.

"Enable loss-protection": useful only for streaming over lossy networks.
"Presets for curve compression": See codec options explained above

I agree, AutoRV10 is a great tool. It works well out-of-the-box. No need to change many settings.

Valky: I have not seen the bugs you mentioned. My target filesize always ends up correct. The black-level filter is meant to adjust the black level in videos where black is too bright or grayish. This is mostly useful for videos captured with sub-optimal settings, and probably not appropriate in other cases. Strange problem you mention with black scene changes turning green. I have never seen that myself.

[Valky]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold


Valky: I have not seen the bugs you mentioned. My target filesize always ends up correct. Strange problem you mention with black scene changes turning green. I have never seen that myself.

@karl: I have also made very accurate full-size movies (700mb) with older versions with this tool and now I have made already 6 episodes with accurate filesize 233mb with this version.
Somehow I haven't just managed to do 700mb file. Anyone else who have with just this latest beta?

And what comes to that green part..it's not really green..It's more like gray blockiness or something. Anyway, it should be absolutely black green, cause there isn't any picture during these scenes. I have noticed this before with other RM-tools, thought.

Off-topic: What about this issue, what I was wondering on other forum section:

I just upgraded my player to this newer one and noticed one thing. In RealPlayer the picture somehow much more colourful and sharpen than in mpc. Why is that? It's almost like my hard efforts for removing the rainbow effects in old Fawlty Tower backups are back when using RealPlayer to watch these clips? I thought that these players produce absolutely same picture quality with default settings.

I admit that I thought that there were something wrong with my deinterlacing, since MPC seems to 'lag' the picture on some parts with my files, but with new RealPlayer all my videos are absolutely smooth to play[/QUOTE]

[Dark-Cracker]

@meditate2

>Also what is an in-loop filter ?

A loop filter may reduce the annoying blocking artefacts inherent in low bitrate coding and produces smaller bitstream because of less prediction error from the deblocked reference frame.
Its coding gain is not coming from many bits saving or much higher PSNR, but from subjective quality, especially in the case of very low bit rate coding.

> drop-dupe and DUP

rv10 is a variable frame rate container, in fact dropdupe and dup are complementary. drope-dupe detect similar frame and only encode once this frame and change the frame rate, DUP is a filter to duplicate the frames, if 2 (or more) frames consecutive are similar, this will help dropdupe filter detection.
this can help u to reduce the number of frames to encode, and allow the codec to use more bitrate for the others.

in next version once u will use DUP filter it will enable drope-dup filter .

>presets at the curve compressions

the presets are used to help u to get some *reliable* value for the high and low % , it analyse the .pass file (generated during the first pass) to calculate the motion of your movie.
using the result it also take count of the compressibilty of the movie and automaticly calculate some value needed for the codec.

preset low allow more flexibility for the codec to change the value provided by autorv10, and strong preset *force* the codec to use them.
(warning the high and low % can generate over/undersize).


for the filter panel i have not yet finish to build it, the bug reports for this panel are for the moment useless :)

@valky

>Anyone else who have with just this latest beta?

i have no found problems with my latest 2 backups (700 and 1400 mb)
undersize of 200 kb for the first and oversize of 500 kb for the second.

>It's more like gray blockiness or something

i have once get this bug using blackfilter. in fact it was when i have incrust subtitle using vsfilter and on some frame there were like a layer of grey (look like opacity 10%). i think perhaps subtitle can false the blackfilter detection, but not sure .

>Off-topic: What about this issue, what I was wondering on other forum section:

this can come from the render used in mpc. but this answer is also out of topic :)

Bye.

[Valky]

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker


>It's more like gray blockiness or something

i have once get this bug using blackfilter. in fact it was when i have incrust subtitle using vsfilter and on some frame there were like a layer of grey (look like opacity 10%). i think perhaps subtitle can false the blackfilter detection, but not sure .


This might be true, since I always use subtitles burned in picture when I encode in RM format. Have to do more investigation...

[karl_lillevold]

Encoding subtitles "burned in picture" is bad for compression efficiency ... but I guess unavoidable in certain cases. In my experiments with Matroska I have found it is possible to multiplex native sub-titles with RV10, and have them displayed with MPC and VSFilter. That feature is great, because I also like to move the subtitles around on playback such that they are as much out of the way as possible. "Burned" subtitles can of course never be removed or moved.

Re the player issues you mentioned. Sorry, I really do not know what could be going on. On all my systems, the video looks about the same in MPC and RealPlayer 10, but I prefer MPC for its flexibility with subtitles, ability to play Matroska, bookmarks, navigation, single-stepping, and a few other reasons.

[#2]

Hi All.

> drop-dupe and DUP rv10 is a variable frame rate container, in fact dropdupe and dup are complementary. drope-dupe detect similar frame and only encode once this frame and change the frame rate, DUP is a filter to duplicate the frames, if 2 (or more) frames consecutive are similar, this will help dropdupe filter detection. this can help u to reduce the number of frames to encode, and allow the codec to use more bitrate for the others. in next version once u will use DUP filter it will enable drope-dup filter .

When ever I enable the DUP filter I get an immediate "finnished writing" and "errors 0" for both passes. With out any writing occuring at all.

BTW Dark-Cracker any work around for the batch encode bug you can think of?

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

the avisynth panel is not yet finished , i will update it in the next release.
and i will also fix all the bug reported.
u can expect a new release within the 2 days.
i think this should solve all the problems.

[vermaccio]

1)i install it
2)i start it and i have problems:

it doesn't find vb6fr.dll sgrunt... i installed vb6 runtimes in french! (french???)

it doesn't find avisinth. i downloaded avisinth 2.5.4.
now it says that it needs avisinth 2.5.5 (there is only alpha version) arghhh. i downloaded it too

now it says there are problem with an ocx never heard....

and so on.

Can you create an installer "full" of everything it needs?


thank you


i have win2000 sp4

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

autorv10 is still in beta version , so for the moment there will be no installer until the final version.

if u have some problems with the ocx i suggest u to install the autorv9 version (who is bundle with an installer and all the .ocx file needed) install it (deselect "install avisynth 2.0.7") , delete the autorv9 directory and install the autorv10 beta version.
all should work fine.

else i suggest u to wait until the final version to test this software, or i think i u don't wait until this, u can find in the *RV9 thread* a list of the other GUI who surely come with an installer and will probabely meet your needs.

Bye.

[nirudha]

hi,

is there way of encoding the audio stream of an AVS file at a quality other than the standard 44kbps RA8? autorv10 seems to want a seperate audio stream file and if it can't find one it sticks to the default audio setting mentioned above. it would be nice for it to use the codec and bit rate you select in the audio tab even if it cannot do normalization etc on the integrated audio stream.

any thoughts?

nirudha

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

>is there way of encoding the audio stream of an AVS file at a quality other than the standard 44kbps RA8?

for the moment autorv10 doesn't take care if your avs file have or not an audio stream (wait next release for this feature.)

at 44kbps it's always RA8 (upper bitrate is RA10 => AAC and ACC+).

>autorv10 seems to want a seperate audio stream file and if it can't find one it sticks to the default audio setting mentioned above.

yes for the moment u need select the separate file, else it will encode without audio stream.

>it would be nice for it to use the codec and bit rate you select in the audio tab even if it cannot do normalization etc on the integrated audio stream.

yes this is on my todo list :)

Bye.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

just a little post to say that the developpement of the subtitles are on the way :) i am finishing to made a preview of the vobsub file.

screenshot here :
http://dark.pluridis.org/subview.jpg

in order to help u to incrust them :)
this function have been a lot asked so i have work hard on this.

i will try to release a new version soon.

Bye.

[Razorblade2000]

thx :D
Looks really nice

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

just a quick build for this beta 5.
this file is an update (new autorv10.exe and the new avisynth filters).
u need to decompress the archive in the autorv10 folder and overwrite the old files.

url :
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http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b5_update.zip

changelog :
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- update dvd2avi and mpeg2dec3.dll with the latest v1.3.0 version.
- added new avisynth filters and remove some olders.
- get informations (bitrate/channels/frequency) on all the input file (.WAV/.MPA/.MP2/.DTS/.AC3)
- add a Vobsub Subtitle Preview (http://dark.pluridis.org/subview.jpg)
- add an online updater (check if u have the latest version)
- detect interlaced field parity (for MPEG2 input)
- Dynamic denoise cleanning
- improve the Ripper Panel (support more than 1 dvd-drive).
- fix all bug reported.

new filters added :
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- IT 2.5 / SmartDecimate for inversetelecine part
- add KernelInt for deinterlace part
- MSsmooth / Bifrost for the anime part

TODO List :
-----------
- improve Ripper Panel (multiangle/ freesize needed / extract by chapters.)
- Improve Audio Panel (mono codec / possibility to use old RV8 codec)
- Finish the Hybrid Mode in Video Panel / improve Analyze of the material.
- finish the preview for the subtitle and add support for .srt/.sub/.ssa ... input file
- add internet tag grabber on www.blockbuster.com and www.dvdfr.com

i will start my summer job monday so i think there will not have new build before a few weeks.

PS : apparenly my work is appreciated :) ^^ (http://dark.pluridis.org/autorv9_string.jpg) :)

Bye.

[tiki4]

Thanks, D-C,

I will test this new release this evening. Congrats, very nice tattoo!

tiki4

[ookzDVD]

Can someone provide the mirror of the beta4,
the link is broken anyway.

I can't try the beta5 without the beta4 installed :(

Thank you.

[Dark-Cracker]

http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b4.zip

[victorhooi]

Hi,

I just encoded Wicked City (anime), with a target size of 700Mb. The encoding produced a Wicked City_Movie.rmvb, Wicked City_Credit.rmvb, Wicked City_Subtitle.rt and Wicked City_Subtitle.smil in the destination folder. Anyway, the program reports that it ran out of space whilst joining:

Video Avisynth Script :

Join Movie + Credits :


Log File: c:\AutoRV10_Join.log
Input File 1: C:\video encoding\New Folder\Wicked City_Movie.rmvb
Input File 2: C:\video encoding\New Folder\Wicked City_Credit.rmvb
Output File: c:\video encoding\Wicked City.rmvb



Error: The file could not be processed.
Please verify that there is adequate space on the
destination drive and in your system's temporary directory.
***********************************************

The funny thing is that that drive has exactly 698 Mb free (kinda annoying) - anyway, I'll just join them manually with rmeditor.exe. Exactly what command line should I use (rmeditor -i movie -i credits -o output), or is there a way to rerun the end of the job via AutoRV10?

The real problem is that the sound seems horribly out of sync with the video. If I play from the start, it's fine, but if you attempt to seek, it goes out of sync. This occurs with both Real Player 10, as well as MPC. I understand that 'out-of-sync' isn't that descriptive, but I'm pretty sure it's some silly error on my part.

Anyway, thanks in advance.

Bye,
Victor

PS: Will mono-sound and lower bit-rates be included in the next release?

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

yes the command line is rmeditor.exe -i ... -i ... -o ...
but i don't know why u have a desynch , with which tool have u rip the dvd ? have u use demux audio stream from dvd2avi ?

PS : yes i will add mono and lower bitrate :)

Bye.

[victorhooi]

Hi,

Thanks for the reply, Dark-Cracker. I actually followed the procedure listed here (http://www.everwicked.com/content/DivX_5_Guide/content-02.php) , more or less.

Rip the DVD with DVD Decryptor, which outputs the .VOB files and ac3 file, then input the VOBs into a DVD2AVI project, before piping the .d2v project and .ac3 file to AutoRV10.

Hope that helps.

Bye,
Victor

[niamh]

OK, I've taken the plunge, and I'm trying RV10 ;)
This app is quite perfect for me ,since I haven't a clue about the settings and so on.It's going to take a bit more reading before I can figure what's what, and is it broken or not :D
Anyway...I'm using beta 5 and the window appearing is too small(some bottom button are hidden) and I can't resize it, so there are at least 2 buttons that I can't even see

Keep up the good work, and thank you :)

[meditate2]

@DC
great new build, thanks !

Some wishes:
Would it be possible to have 2 "endcredits"?
The endcredits and the same just for the intro ?
It would be great esp. for some material
like short animes series who has always the
same intro which could save a lotsa bytes
, esp. if wanna have them small..

Also and a minimize button 4 the Mainwindow
would be nice.

Also it would be nice if it would keep
your used settings from the last time…
(size of movie etc…)

How about an estimated time left status…(dont
know if this is supported by realprod.)

-

And what means "Use dynamic Filtering" in the
new version ?

thanks,
meditate

[Valky]

Originally posted by meditate2


How about an estimated time left status…(dont
know if this is supported by realprod.)



This would be great if it is possible to do. At least I have seen it in another RM GUI made by someone else (Can't remember which tool it was, but it really was a great GUI and was the very first one to support avs-source and showed a great progress bar). Unfortunately this other GUI haven't been updated a long time.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

@meditate2
thank u for the requests :) a part of them are already in my wish list.
for the start credits i will try to add them but there is not a lot of free space in the GUI :( but i must work on the credits function soon so perhaps i will rebuild all this part :)

for the time lest for the moment it's not possible , when u launch the encode my GUI is sleeping (to avoid cpu and memory use) so it's not possible to hook the dos encoding windows in sleeping mode.
but i will perhaps change this later.

"Dynamic filtering" allow avisynth to clean (using fluxsmooth or convolution3D) the movie and change the settings if the movie scene is high/Medium/Low it's based on QMF (quantized motion filtering) a plugin developped by HomieFR.
it give better result than linear cleanning.

Bye.

[victorhooi]

Hi,

AutoRV10 is still my favourite frontend - even with all the new developments in RealAnime and EasyReal-whatever :). I still haven't figured out why the audio/video syncing error occured, but maybe next time I'll try .mkv (yeah, I know, I can mux, but I already deleted the output file - stupid, I know).

Anyway, how's the development going? Waiting eagerly for the next release...

Bye,
Victor

PS: I have the 2 gig .vobs, and an .ac3 file - what's the best way to get these into Auto? (eg best method/options for creating .avs/.d2v?).

[hellfred]

@DC
Where can i find info on this dynamic denoising form HomieFR?
I have used search but did not hit the right keywords. I could not find any hits for user HomieFR and nois or dynamic etc.

Hellfred

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

@victorhooi
simply use the dvd2avi to open your .vob file , select "save project" it will create u a .d2v file , open it in autorv10 and in the audio tab u can open your .ac3 file.

the developpement is still on the way :) i will have more free time in some few week , u can expect a new release soon :)

@hellfred

the dll file used was made by manao , using the HomieFR script QMF.
u can find more info here :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56051

Bye.

[hellfred]

Thank you for the link.

Hellfred

[victorhooi]

Hi,

Can't wait for it dude :).

About the avs/d2v files: There isn't any secret voodoo computer magic I have to do, is there? It's just that some DivX5 guides I read a long time ago recommended all these esoteric options in the menus. Still, your method's simpler :D Furthermore, what's with all the different versions (of D2V) - I should just use the one you included, right?

Finally, I kinda need a movie encoded soon (next few days), and I was wondering what's the best way to update AutoRV10 to the latest Producer/other apps? (while we wait for your next great release, that is).

Thanks,
Victor

[Dark-Cracker]

@victor

yes use the dvd2avi version who is bundle in the package else u will have an error "invalid d2v file".

if u want to update your producer version the only think u need to kkep in mind is :

- made a backup of the rmto3260.dll file in the tool folder (else the join of credits + movie will failed).
- be sure u have an racp.dll file in the codec folder (else u will not be able to use HE-AAC aucio codec).

* always think to delete the old realproducer folder else u can have problems if some old files remain in the same folder than the new files.

PS : for the latest realproducer u need 2 more .dll file (for the c++ .NET) search in the real producer 9 mercury thread.

Bye.

[superdump]

Would it be possible to have a matroska output for AutoRV10?

[MSlv]

I saw in the guide that the final file is in rmvb container. Is there a way to move the audio and video streams in mkv container?

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

yes u can use the mkvmerge tool to convert your .rmvb file (1 stream video and 1 stream audio) in mkv file.
if u have made more than 1 audio file u just need to select the 1 rmvb file (1 video stream) and the 2 .rm files (1 audio stream each) and merge them in a .mkv using mkvmerge.

i will try to made a little guide to explain which command line u need to use.

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[Razorblade2000]

there'S also a gui called "mmg"