Old AutoRV10 discussion (closed) [Archive]

Dark-Cracker

20th July 2002, 20:27

@ All beta tester
Hi could u try to make some test with this beta version (scroll up 1 msg for the url ) ?

in this beta version there some new feature like the possibility to encode separately the endcredits (using the quality mode at 30%) and the possibility to split the final file to 650/700/ or 800 MB i have add in this beta the possibility to split after 10/20 or 30 MB in order to make some test on the split without encode a full movie.

could u try to make some advanced test on these 2 function (split and endcredits) try this :

encode in :

1 pass :
--------
without audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

with 1 audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

2 pass (both) :
---------------
without audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

with 1 audio stream :
- encode credits separately, not split
- encode credits separately, split the final file
- don't encode credits separately, not split
- don't encode credits separately, split the final file

try to make one (or all :) ) of these test and post the result (with the most informations possible : lenght, totalfilesize, desiredfinalfile, splitfilesize, part1filesize,part2filesize, audio mode & bitrate used...etc...)

thank uvery much if all these tests are succeded i will add the support of the 2 audio stream, the subtitles and the .smil creation (and perhaps the authoring of an interactive menu).

PS:
think to post a msg with the result of your test .

if u have an error the besweet log are in c:\AutoRV9_Stream1.log the producer.log file is in the root of the producer directory and the join/split log is in c:\AutoRV9_Split.log

PS2 : i seems to me rmeditor have a bug ; he can't split some file with the audio preview codec for the audio stream, to solve this problem overwritte the rmeditor\codec directory with the producer\codec directory, now rmedit can open some .rmvb file with the r8-preview codec.

PS3 : if u encode the endcredits separately think to check the " Adjust bitrate after endcredits" this will increase the bitrate after the encoding of the credits part to obtain the desired filesize.

@razorblade :
i have send u a PM , i wait your answer :) thank u .

Bye.
i wait the result of the tests.

hurts70

21st July 2002, 09:27

dvd's subtitle?

can i use autorv9 to encode it?

MaXiMuS

21st July 2002, 10:03

1) select the Producer,RMeditor, and Besweet path (button in the first tab)

what is RMeditor ? & where to find it ?

thx

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 10:04

Does anyone know howto convert srt files to real text format???
Using Radlight subtitle studio DOESN'T work!!! (He uses time coordinates while he should use frames)...

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 10:05

It's in your real producer directory (subfolder "RealMediaEditor")

Originally posted by MaXiMuS

what is RMeditor ? & where to find it ?

thx

Dark-Cracker

21st July 2002, 11:13

@ hurts70
no wait the next version for the support of the subtitles.

@Razorblade2000
use the tool " subtitle workshop" www.deksoft.cjb.net this is a good software.
it seems to me u can use too the .smi file in the .smil file try and say me.

PS: does someone have do some tests ?

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 11:21

Southpark (An episode not the movie; captured with PowerVCR in MPEG2; demultiplexed .mpa audio and made .d2v with dvd2avi)
1 Pass (Using the 2dcleaner anime filter)->a little bit more expanation would be nice
1 Audio stream
No endcredits
No split
Audio: Stereo 44100bps
Video: rv9 527900bps
Desired filesize: 75MB

PROBLEM:
1. DVD2AVI said there would be a 258ms delay, I put this value in your delay textbox and the result was VERY out of sync
2. I ignored the delay -> out of sync (the 258 ms)

-> I could make a wav file using the headac3he delay option, but somehow your gui doesn't support direct .wav input (It is nice that autorv9 can decode ac3, mpa... but I personally would like to have this job done by headac3he, because of better 2 pass normalizing/boosting/downmixing)

Futurama (An episode too)

Same settings as Southpark
No delay

PROBLEM:
OUT OF SYNC!!!!

Possible solution for both problems?:
Maximum Framerate was set to 25...this may be nice for PAL movies, but when NTSC is selected you should have a value of 30. (DAMN POWERVCR!!! I can't make a new profile, so I have to take the 29,97 framerate

Another problem:
Resizing!
I captured these episodes in 640x480. Using your app, I can't keep my original resolution so my results don't fill the whole monitor

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 12:23

...I just recognized that there is an option called Maximum framerate...
I'll give it a try
:rolleyes:

Dark-Cracker

21st July 2002, 12:39

hi,

try without the 2d Cleaner to be sure this is not this filter who desynth the audio.

PS: the max Framerate must be your framerate ( 25 for a pal source and 30 for an NTSC source) i suppose it for that the audio is out of synchro.

PS: u can too low the latency to 4 if you have still a problem with the audio.

PS2: do u have test the end-credits and the split option ?

bye

MaXiMuS

21st July 2002, 14:59

thanks for reply Razorblade2000

yeah i am dumb+blind :D :D :D

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 18:02

I already tested the endcredit option, worked fine!
(I am using your tool at the moment to compress Fightclub, already have compressed 1 hour (analyse pass coplete))

u can use too the .smi file in the .smil file
What? Sorry, I don't understand...:confused:

Using this tool I also can't make any subtitles that work... (Maybe I'm doing sth wrong...)

31 Flavas

21st July 2002, 18:26

Originally posted by Razorblade2000
Does anyone know howto convert srt files to real text format???
Using Radlight subtitle studio DOESN'T work!!! (He uses time coordinates while he should use frames)... @ Razor2k

Hm... Subtitle Studio does work, but you have to make a few modifications to the output file. Here is what I do.

After I do the post OCR quote and l to I changes in SubRip, I back (all) the subitles up .45 seconds to bring them into better sync. After that I open up Subtitle Studio 2.0 and it does the converstion from Subrip to RealTime (RealText) format.

These subitles won't work in RealPlayer by default, though.

You must to overwite:

<Window
Width = "640"
Height = "480"
WordWrap = "true"
Loop = "true"
>With this:<Window duration="0:23:59.00" Width="448" height="50" WordWrap="true" bgcolor="black">
<font color="Yellow" face="Arial" size="+2">
<center>
<b>You can dick around with all the values to suit your taste, but of course, the ones you must change (for your video) are duration and width. Duration does not have to be exact. Just make sure it is close enough.

You can further edit these subtitles if you want. You can use multiple colors and enlarge specific if you want. Just stick a <font color="whatever" size="+number or -number"> </font> around the text.

Do you know what you need in the .smil file? I had to make a few moidifications here too.

31 Flavas

21st July 2002, 18:51

Originally posted by Razorblade2000
PROBLEM:
OUT OF SYNC!!!!Have you fixed the audio sync problem? DVD2AVI does tell me there is a delay also, but I just do not put the delay in and everything is all synced up.

I am dealing with DVD data though, not self recorded stuff.

The resizing definatly does need to be fixed, but hey, this is his 1.0. Give him some time :)

-flavas

Razorblade2000

21st July 2002, 19:09

I don't know... I am still compressing Fightclub
I'll test it tomorrow

P.S. actually it is 1.1 beta...

P.P.S.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil:
DON'T CALL ME RAZOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angry:
PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!!:scared:

31 Flavas

21st July 2002, 19:29

Hey, I called you razor2k. not razor! Get a shorter nick if you don't want to be abreviated!!!!!!!!!!!

would blade2k be better? i'm not typing out your whole nick!!!!!!!!!!!!!! too long and i'm too lazy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Razorblade2000

22nd July 2002, 11:39

:D call me RB2K :D That is all right!!!

BTW:
Fightclub gave me an 614 MB video file (2Pass), including the 2 audio streams and the subtitles (thank you 31 Flavas) I've got a nice 700MB bunch of bytes!!!:)

P.S. 31 Flavas, what did you chane in the smil (For me, my smil works perfect... but maybe it could get better?)

31 Flavas

23rd July 2002, 04:22

Well, I got the source for my .smil from a post in this forum. It was for movies though, not a 4:3 anime, so it added space above the 16:9 picture to center the movie when playing it in full screen mode.

I had to hack it up and figure out what changed what (basicly how it worked) so that I could modifiy it work for my 4:3 anime.

If your .smil file centers the video and positions the subtitles correctly, you don't need to do anything further with it.

-flavas

Dark-Cracker

25th July 2002, 03:32

hi,

AUTORV9 1.1 is out Changelog :

- Add an Auto-Crop function.
- Add an "Smart Crop All" function.
- Encode the end-credits separately (Quality 30%).
- possibitity to adjust the bitrate after the end-credits.
- Possibility to split the file after 650/700 or 800 Mo
- possibility to change the Encode Process Priority.
(Thanks to dannidin)
- Display the .Ac3 file informations.
(using the CyberDemonII genericmm.dll file).
- u can ID3Tag your movie
*and Fixed some little bugs*

HERE : www.dark-angel.does.it

my tool work fine with the Producer Preview 9.0 the Helix CLI version don't close at the end of the process, to enjoy my tool use the REALPRODUCER PREVIEW VERSION , i am working on a light package of the Producer9 with the PReview Version and the Helix Codec.

U must have the rmeditor tool if u want split and join (this tool is in the preview package) (it seems there is a bug with the rmedit, there are not the Audio-rv8-preview codec and sometimes it don't want open a .rmvb file, to solve this problem simply copy the folder ....producer\codec\ in ...realmediaeditor\codec\ )

i have make a lot of tests with this version but if u have still a problem , u can find the error with the .log file.

Besweet Log file : c:\AutoRV9_Stream1.log
Real Producer log : Realproducer directory\producer.log
Rmeditor - Join log : C:\AutoRV9_Join.log
Rmeditor - Split log : C:\AutoRV9_Split.log

TO DO LIST :
------------
- support of 2 audio stream
- support of subtitles
- create the .smil file with menu

u can mail me at : darkcracker@caramail.com

Bye.

Razorblade2000

25th July 2002, 10:08

...I'll give it a try!
:D

Razorblade2000

1st August 2002, 12:04

THe out of synch thing wasn't a bug in AutoRV9. It was one in PowerVCRII...
Have a look at:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30355

Razorblade2000

7th August 2002, 11:46

...how is the developing working? Are we close to a 2 audio streams version?

Dark-Cracker

26th September 2002, 03:50

hi,

if someone are interested here was the first beta of autorv9 v1.2
i have added :

- add a boost of the audio (sometimes the audio level was too low).
- fixed a problem with the tempory directory (producer use by default c:\windows\temp\ to store the tempory files)
- add support for two audio stream
- create the .smil files for launch the video and the different audio stream.
- fixed a problem with long name for the avisynth plugin.
- add a check on the avisynth installation.
- improve the bitrate calculator
- clean of the code.

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_1.2beta.zip

to be sure to succed your dvd backup use the light version of real producer (1.6 MO) .

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/RealProducer9_Light.rar

Post your bugs report or comments.
i am working actually to add the support of the subtitles.
stay tuned :)

Bye.

atracus

26th September 2002, 12:59

hi Dark-Cracker,
a first feedback: I'm using Helix Producer Plus 9.0.0.972, the path is SET to producer.exe, and I get the following behavior:

1. the Credits encoding window did not close manually at the end of encode: with AutoRV9 at the max CPU (above 90%), probably waiting for feedback from "producer lite", I had to End Program from Taskman

2. neither during Credits encoding, nor during Movie encoding, I see anything happening on the Log frame; this is prob due to the same reason as above.

In any case, I'll try next encode with the Lite version, as you suggest, maybe installing it in the same folder as AutoRV. I preferred the "latest" I have, in order to have probably less problems / imperfections... do you plan to make the final 1.2 compatible with Helix? And - do you plan to add "Find Max Gain" to BeSweet downsampling (optional, but welcome)?

thanks for the good work!

[atx]

Dark-Cracker

26th September 2002, 13:22

hi,

first my english was not very well and perhaps i have not understand all right your post.

>1. the Credits encoding window did not close manually at the end of
> encode: with AutoRV9 at the max CPU (above 90%), probably waiting
> for feedback from "producer lite", I had to End Program from Taskman.

The Helix producer command line doesn't close automaticly at the end of the encoding process. it for that the lite version use the producer.exe file from preview version (which close at the end of the encoding) and the helix codec. i am still working on a way to kill the producer.exe task at the end of the encode but i have no find a way to detect the end of the encoding (i had think to wait the creation of the .rmvb file but if there is an error , the software will do an infinite loop) if u have an idear post a msg.

>2. neither during Credits encoding, nor during Movie encoding, I see anything happening on the Log frame; this is prob due to the same reason as above.

this sentence mean u see the loggin of the encoding process i am right ? if yes it because i have added in the command line the -lc e,d
to show the error and the dianostic (much easy to understand why the encode doesn't work and report me the error ).

>In any case, I'll try next encode with the Lite version, as you suggest, maybe installing it in the same folder as AutoRV.

normaly the final version of autorv9 will be bundle with the light version, and a autodetection of the path.

>I preferred the "latest" I have, in order to have probably less
>problems / imperfections...

the light version come with the helix codec = same quality (i have make some test with the lite versus the helix and the encode process was a bit more speed for the light and the final size arond 1% the same and quality are the same for my eyes)

>do you plan to make the final 1.2 compatible with Helix?

i will try but i have really not idear to detect the end of the encoding.

>And - do you plan to add "Find Max Gain" to BeSweet downsampling (optional, but welcome)?

the besweet profil have already the post gain option (added in the version 1.1) :) :) :)

bye

take5

26th September 2002, 16:45

Dark-Cracker,

AutoRV9 v1.2 Beta tester here. I will try to do some testing tonight and report on results tomorrow.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homepage: http://flash.to/take5

atracus

26th September 2002, 16:58

thanks D-C,
you understood perfectly all my questions, and all answers were satisfactory and helpful.

[atx]

ohliuv

14th October 2002, 22:38

Originally posted by Razorblade2000
It's in your real producer directory (subfolder "RealMediaEditor")

Just got Helix Producer Plus, and RMEditor is not included. somewhere in the support section it say that "will be available soon" :/

karl_lillevold

24th October 2002, 22:17

Originally posted by atracus
a first feedback: I'm using Helix Producer Plus 9.0.0.972, the path is SET to producer.exe, and I get the following behavior:
1. the Credits encoding window did not close manually at the end of encode: with AutoRV9 at the max CPU (above 90%), probably waiting for feedback from "producer lite", I had to End Program from Taskman

I have also seen this hang at end of encode with producer 9.0.0.972. This appears to have been fixed in 9.0.1 Gold (9.0.1.250).

Hope this helps.

Dark-Cracker

11th November 2002, 08:36

Autorv9 v1.2 was out :

www.dark-angel.does.it (go in the download section)

Changelog v1.2 :
----------------

1.2 :
- add support of two audio stream
- add support of subtitle
- add a preview video
- add an avs script editor
- generate .smil file (needed for launch subs or audio streams)
- improve the autocrop
- add the overhead calc
- improve the quality indice
- fix the problem for the "c:\" tempory file
- free split size
- improve the split (now split on a keyframe)
- add filters for avisynth :
- Simple Resize
- Lanczos Resize
- TomsMoComp
- Decomb
- IT
- IVTC 2
- CNR2
- TemporalSoften2
- Unfilter
- Msharpen
- 2D cleaner
- SmartSmoothHiQ
- SmoothDeinterlace
- Convolution3D
- ......
- improve the besweet preset (better normalisation & boost)
- autosearch of real producer.
- clean of the code & internal changes

Credits :
--------

- Trbarry (for the tomsmocomp & unfilter and thank u for the simpleresize modification i make a little time before adding it but i was on hollidays and my problem's famility take me busy).
- Marc FD (thank u for you work on the cnr2 filter ) .
- Neuron2 (thank u for the decomb & msharpen filter )
- Nic (for finding & compiling the lanczos.dll file )
- Sh0dan for the SmotherHiq & avisynth
- Vlad59 for the Convolution3D
- Dividee for the Temporalsoften2
- Wizard_FL for the ivtc22
- Kiraru for the _2Dcleaner
- TheJam for IT 0.51
- Gunnar Thalin for SmoothDeinterlace
- DspGuru for the Besweet soft

and geets to Ambamo for the smil creation and Kintorask for the ntsc tests.

Bye.

PS: sorry for my very crap english

Dark-Cracker

10th April 2003, 16:54

hi,

just a little question :

which avisynth v2.5.1 filter do u want in the next autorv9 release ?

i think i will add :

simpleresize,bicublinresize
convolution3D,edeen,dust,fluxsmooth
unfilter,msharpen,warpsharp
vsfilter

if someone have a request for a filter :)
i will release the autorv9 v1.3beta1 in a few days.
(unhappyly the realoneplayer have crashed and impossible to reinstall it :( :( :( and the .smil tests will be reported).

Bye.

Valky

10th April 2003, 17:22

Cnr2, Tomsmocomp and the most important is AvsMon.

Unfortunately I haven't had any luck to make it work with RealMedia codec, but it works great with Xvid and Divx and 3ivx. It just would be nice to watch encoding process but I am not sure if it works with RealMedia.

also these temporalsoften modes recommendd by author himself would be nice:

#Soft filtering:
#Temporalsoften(2,3,3,mode=2,scenechange=6)

#Medium filtering:
#Temporalsoften(3,5,5,mode=2,scenechange=10)

#Heavy filtering:
#Temporalsoften(4,8,8,mode=2,scenechange=10)

And I am not sure how it was done earlier, but somekind of DelayAudio in avs-script could be nice if it isn't there already :)

Sirber

10th April 2003, 23:11

Defenitly DeComb! The most usefull filter of all!!! :D

Synaps

12th April 2003, 15:27

In the next release WAVE option possibility i think it's a good thing !

+++

CaptainCarrot

13th April 2003, 00:43

Hi DarkCracker,
i've just done 2 movies with your "encode credits separately"-option, and they were both oversized. I was aiming at 703MB for the first movie, and i got 701MB movie +9MB credits = 710MB. The second movie was aimed at 790MB, and I got 788 + 8, so it looks pretty much as if the size of the credits is not substracted from the total size of the movie before the bitrate is recalculated, since everytime I didn't use the "encode credits separately" the files were perfect size. :confused:

Dark-Cracker

13th April 2003, 07:01

i will made some tests :) to see where the problem come from.
and hope it will be solved in the next release.

stay tuned.
Bye.

AsPiRiN

13th April 2003, 15:02

Hey Dark!
I did a movie with rv9 and srt subtitles with autorv9 but the subs are not dispayed correctly(funnie characters). They are greek subs. However if i open the .rt file with notepad, they are ok. So there is something to do with real one gold and mpclassic. Is there an option that i miss?? I couldnt find something..

Dark-Cracker

13th April 2003, 15:13

hum strange.

try to change in the .rt header file the font used (sometimes if the letter doesn't exist in the font it will display some strange characters.).

else u can try to add in the <window ...> header this :

<window ... type="generic" >

i will use standard ansii iso to display your .rt file.

post the result if this solve ypur problem.

Bye.

AsPiRiN

15th April 2003, 00:54

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hum strange.

try to change in the .rt header file the font used (sometimes if the letter doesn't exist in the font it will display some strange characters.).

else u can try to add in the <window ...> header this :

<window ... type="generic" >

i will use standard ansii iso to display your .rt file.

post the result if this solve ypur problem.

Bye.

That didnt work...

But i was suggested to open them with notepad and change the face="Arial" to face="System". That actually worked! The subs are displayed correctly!!!(even if i dont really like this type of fonts!)!

However they are a little small and if increase their size, some of them at the bottom are not displayed. Can i somehow move them up , a little bit over the video???

AsPiRiN

15th April 2003, 01:25

I found these settings to work best for me for a 640xXXX 16:9 movie.Others than than produce more cropping of the video as i cant make subs transparent over the movie. :(

rt file:

<window duration="0:01:32.00" width="640" height="70" wordwrap="true" loop="true" bgcolor="black" >
<font color="white" face="System" size="+3">

smil file:

<smil xmlns="">
<head>
<layout>
<root-layout backgroundColor="black" width="640" height="456"/>
<region id="video_region" z-index="1"/>
<region id="text_region" height="70" bottom="0" z-index="2"/>

Maybe u should make some tests too and if u think that they suit best for u too, maybe u could apply a patch for the original subtitle files of RV9, inside autorv9 1.3!
:)

P.S1 For 4:3 movies, subs crop the image because of the black backround :(

p.s2 If it is possible to display subs over the movie (transparent without black backround), please post a way

31 Flavas

15th April 2003, 06:33

Originally posted by AsPiRiN
I found these settings to work best for me for a 640xXXX 16:9 movie.Others than than produce more cropping of the video as i cant make subs transparent over the movie. :( Transparent subs are really not difficult at all to make if you already have subs you are happy with because the changes are only made in the .smil file.

Here is code from one of my (anamorphic) dvd rips.

<smil xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/SMIL20/Language" xmlns:rn="http://features.real.com/2001/SMIL20/Extensions">
<head>
<layout>
<root-layout width="846" height="480"/>
<region id="video_region" z-index="1"/>
<region id="text_region" top="375" z-index="2"/>
</layout>
</head>
<body>
<par>
<video src="akira.rmvb" region="video_region" fill="remove"/>
<textstream src="akira.rt" region="text_region" rn:backgroundOpacity="0%" fill="freeze"/>
</par>
</body>
</smil> The first line is manditory; It has to be in the file or transparency will not work.

I don't know if it has to access that url once, everytime, or not at all. (I do not use PC firewall software.) But, transparancy won't work with out it.

The <root-layout> part defines the viewing window. Set it to your movies dimentions. The next important part is the top="". To calculate the number to put in the quotes subtract the height of your subtitles (get this from the .rt file) from the height of the movie and then subtract 20, 25, or 30 from that number (depending how far up from the bottom of movie you want to raise the subs). Now insert the rn:backgroundOpacity="0%" line into your <textstream> tag.

Your subs should be transparent now.

If they aren't try giving RealOne/RealPlayer access to the internet, if you are forbidding it. Otherwise post your .smil file or PM it to me. I'll take a look at it and see if I see anything wrong.

31 Flavas

15th April 2003, 07:32

Originally posted by AsPiRiN
P.S1 For 4:3 movies, subs crop the image because of the black backround :( They don't have to... If Top="" is equal to your movies height, the subs will be placed below the video. In full screen you will get black bars on the sides, but none of the picture will be cropped.

AsPiRiN

16th April 2003, 02:05

Perfect!! It actually works!! Maybe u could also know if i can use another fonts for Greek script because "System" works, but the fonts are really ugly and wide, IMHO.

Thanx anyway!!

P.S.1 In my files, i have no Top="" , just Height="". However it works with the same way! ;)
P.S.2 Dark keep up the good work! :)

Dark-Cracker

19th April 2003, 17:47

hi,

here is the first beta of autorv9 v1.3 i don't have added a lot of things (still working on autodub).

WARNING : u need AVISYNTH v2.5.1
WARNING : u need enter EVEN value for the crop.

i u want add filters, u need to manualy edit the .avs file to tweak your script.

link :
------
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b1.zip

Changelog :
-----------
- temporaly remove the filters
- work with avisynth v2.5.1
- use latest millestone
- support anamorphic encode
- add bicublin resize
- support 1 pass QB 100%
- support 1 pass CBR
- support 1/2 pass VBR
- add a compressibility test.
- improve crop window
- add ratio 1:1 to enter manualy your resize value.

know bug :
----------
* can't use a drive letter as tempory directory.
* if manual edit .avs and change filter => remove the manual change
* sometimes the .rpad file (profil for the codec) not updated if u change encode mode.
* bug if crop value are not even.

Todo:
-----
- improve .smil generation (create menu/chapters)
- fix bugs
- improve filters part.

Made some tests , next beta will solve the bug reported (not find the time actually), i will add filters with presets , and surely a better smil creation.

Ps: all suggestion or bugreport are welcome :)

Bye

Sirber

19th April 2003, 20:21

Yehoo!!!!! :D

I have a little question: What is "EVEN value for the crop" in french?

Synaps

19th April 2003, 20:51

I think même valeur, gauche-droite et haut-bas !

Dark-Cracker

19th April 2003, 20:57

et non c pas ca :)

EVEN = Pair
ODD = impair

++

Synaps

19th April 2003, 21:02

:D thx Dark for your help ;)

Synaps

19th April 2003, 21:59

Can you create a .wav compatibility in audio please ! :)

Sirber

20th April 2003, 01:06

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
et non c pas ca :)

EVEN = Pair
ODD = impair

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Thanks :). Je vais me coucher moins niaiseux :) (I'll sleep less dumb?!?)

Sirber

20th April 2003, 04:46

Crash if no D2V loaded, and using video options :) I'll try it with Mont Python and the holy grail.

Sirber

20th April 2003, 04:56

Oh jeez!! No Decomb. I'm doomed :(

Dark-Cracker

20th April 2003, 07:33

hi,

filters will be added in next release :)

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Sirber

20th April 2003, 14:07

Producer 9.2M1 is great! I made in 9 hours MOnty Python and the Holy grail, on a 700 MB CD, 720x384, French and English, both at 96kbps, and the quality os so great!!!

Job Name Category Functional Area Timestamp MessageID Message
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-wavuncompressed
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\STREAM1.WAV
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8052,File Size: 930.07MB
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8060,Audio Track
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8061, Channels: Stereo
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8062, Bit Depth: 16
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8063, SampleRate: 44100 Hz
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8065, Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:35:08,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
PID1332,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:35:08,0,Using AutoRV9_Audio Audience
PID1332,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:35:08,0,Using audio codec: cook (96468 bps)
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:38:24,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:38:24,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
PID1332,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:38:24,0,Shutting down WAV reader
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-wavuncompressed
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\STREAM2.WAV
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8052,File Size: 930.07MB
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8060,Audio Track
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8061, Channels: Stereo
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8062, Bit Depth: 16
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8063, SampleRate: 44100 Hz
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8065, Duration: 01:32:08.632
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:38:27,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
PID1484,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:38:27,0,Using AutoRV9_Audio Audience
PID1484,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:38:27,0,Using audio codec: cook (96468 bps)
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:41:46,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:41:46,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
PID1484,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 12:41:46,0,Shutting down WAV reader
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:55,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:55,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\dvd_Movie.avs
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8052,File Size: 1KB
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.737
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8080,Video Track
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8081, Dimensions: 720 x 384
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8082, Frame Rate: 23.976 FPS
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8083, Format: YUY2
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8084, Duration: 01:32:08.737
PID1460,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 12:41:56,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
PID1460,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:41:56,0,Using AutoRV9_Movie Audience
PID1460,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 12:41:56,0,Using video codec: rv9 (850000 bps)
PID1460,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2003/04/19 12:41:56,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8051,Input Filename: C:\MONTY_PYTHON_THE_HOLY_GRAIL\VIDEO_TS\dvd_Movie.avs
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8052,File Size: 1KB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8053,Total Duration: 01:32:08.737
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8081, Dimensions: 720 x 384
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8082, Frame Rate: 23.976 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8083, Format: YUY2
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8084, Duration: 01:32:08.737
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2003/04/19 16:51:11,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 16:51:11,0,Using AutoRV9_Movie Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2003/04/19 16:51:11,0,Using video codec: rv9 (850000 bps)
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2003/04/19 16:51:11,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 21:00:51,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2003/04/19 21:00:51,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.

The sound is great as usual, but the picture is sharper, more details are kept, but therer is still some flictering in distant grass near the sky, maybe because of the noise...

Great job Karl (and the Real Team) :D

CaptainCarrot

21st April 2003, 09:47

@Dark-Cracker
I tried your 1.3beta and Avisynth 2.51-support works perfect, but I have some problems to get the new features to work.
1. I did a quality based 100% encode with 720x544, and the resulting file was 700MB and looked like a normal 2-pass.
2. How does the "use anamorphic resize"-checkbox work? I wanted to do encoding without any resizing and tell producer to resize to 960x544, which I couldn't.

Greetings

Kb_cruncher

21st April 2003, 12:18

I tried the 1.3 beta,the audio transcodes ok but the cmd boxes for the 1st and 2nd passes stay on scren for about a second.I am assuming something is stopping autoRV9 from initializing the encode.I have been through all the settings and everything seems ok.The movie previews fine and the avs scripts are ok as i loaded them into vdubmod.I have tried it without the credits option and without audio and still it happens.Has anyone else had this happen to them?

Dark-Cracker

21st April 2003, 20:34

hi,

@CaptainCarrot
1- the 100% use the maxbitrate to avoid oversized file, it for that u have the perfectfinal size.
2- i don't rely find the utility to encode at a size upper than 720* XXX it for that i have a bit cheat with the anamorphic encode.
for exemple if u want to encode at 640*272 (or 720 is the max ouput resolution) in fact it will resize the video in the avisynth script at a resolution lower for exemple 540 (but keeping the spect ratio) and use realproducer to resize at 640*272 and u will have a great result :) believe me.

@kb_cruncher
try to see in the c:\audio_stream1.log and c:\audio_stream2.log it's the besweet log and i will see where it failed.

Bye.

Sirber

21st April 2003, 23:21

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

@CaptainCarrot
1- the 100% use the maxbitrate to avoid oversized file, it for that u have the perfectfinal size.
2- i don't rely find the utility to encode at a size upper than 720* XXX it for that i have a bit cheat with the anamorphic encode.
for exemple if u want to encode at 640*272 (or 720 is the max ouput resolution) in fact it will resize the video in the avisynth script at a resolution lower for exemple 540 (but keeping the spect ratio) and use realproducer to resize at 640*272 and u will have a great result :) believe me.

This is anamorphic? I taught it was a kind-of zoom on the player side... :S

CaptainCarrot

22nd April 2003, 01:02

2- i don't rely find the utility to encode at a size upper than 720* XXX it for that i have a bit cheat with the anamorphic encode.
for exemple if u want to encode at 640*272 (or 720 is the max ouput resolution) in fact it will resize the video in the avisynth script at a resolution lower for exemple 540 (but keeping the spect ratio) and use realproducer to resize at 640*272 and u will have a great result believe me.
Hm, ok, let me try to tell you what I want to to when doing an anamorphic encode:
1. I have a 16:9 input source with 720x576
2. I crop the black bars so 720x544 is left
3. I don't use any resize filter, because I want to preserve the original quality, and encode 720x544 (works with 1:1 at the moment)
4. I tell producer to resize to 960x544 (720/(4/3)*(16/9)=960), so during playback the movie is stretched from 720x544 to 960x544, thus having the correct AR.

The last step doesn't work with AutoRV9 yet.

What's the difference between what I'm doing and AutoRV9 does?
I use an INCREASED vertical resolution in producer, whereas AutoRV9 uses a DECREASED horizontal resolution in avisynth. I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality. :confused:

Sirber

22nd April 2003, 02:46

That's I want to :(

karl_lillevold

22nd April 2003, 06:06

yup, very well described. With anamorphic, there should be no resizing in AviSynth, just cropping, then Producer should be set to resize to width x height, where height is the height after cropping, and width = height * aspect_ratio. I just tried the anamorphic option in AutoRV9 and that's not quite how this works. The new YV12 support is very nice though, especially when some filters are added back.

CaptainCarrot

22nd April 2003, 09:46

karl_lillevold wrote on 22nd April 2003 02:09:
CaptainCarrot:

Your description of anamorphic encoding is very accurate, and how I would hope it to work in AutoRV9, but I have not yet gotten around to trying it out.

What happens if you specify 960x544 in the options for AutoRV9? Does it not then just not resize in AviSynth, and pass the resize settings to producer, like it should, such that producer can place the "anamorphic flag" in the bitstream?

P.S. I have asked for producer to re-enable its printing of the command line options to make it easier to see the options it was called with.

Karl.

Hi Karl,
it might work with AutoRV9 if you could choose a higher horizontal resolution than 720, but you can't. You'd still have to disable resizing manually, but that's not really a big thing.
Printing of the command-line options would be useful indeed, even though the command line you posted in that anamorphic encode thread works perfect for me. :D

One more thought for Dark-Cracker:
The way you describe your 1-pass 100% quality sounds like a constant bitrate encode. I checked the producers specs and I don't think a 100% quality encode if even possible (100% here meaning going for maximum quality (almost) regardless of filesize), since the rpad-file always needs average and maximum bitrate numbers.

Dark-Cracker

22nd April 2003, 21:55

hi,

@captaincarrot
see in the .avs file by editing the script u will how autorv9 use anamorphic.it don't use it to increase the resolution over 720 but by reducing input to resize at the desired resolution. here u can use anamorphic whatever is your selected output resolution.

Hm, ok, let me try to tell how it work in autorv9 :

1. I have a 16:9 input source with 720x576
2. I crop the black bars so 720x544 is left (ratio 1.32)
3. i want an output resize at 640*344 (16:9 => ratio 1.85)
4. avisyth resize at 720/(544/344)=456
resize at 456*344 (ratio 1.32)
5.resize in producer at 640*344

final u have save pixels (640-456) and u have the desired resolution.

for the 1pass quality, the avg bitrate is not used only max bitrate.

>I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality.
perhaps try some other tools for the rv9 that could fufill your wish.
if u are not satisfied by my work.

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Sirber

22nd April 2003, 22:39

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

@captaincarrot
see in the .avs file by editing the script u will how autorv9 use anamorphic.it don't use it to increase the resolution over 720 but by reducing input to resize at the desired resolution. here u can use anamorphic whatever is your selected output resolution.

Hm, ok, let me try to tell how it work in autorv9 :

1. I have a 16:9 input source with 720x576
2. I crop the black bars so 720x544 is left (ratio 1.32)
3. i want an output resize at 640*344 (16:9 => ratio 1.85)
4. avisyth resize at 720/(544/344)=456
resize at 456*344 (ratio 1.32)
5.resize in producer at 640*344

final u have save pixels (640-456) and u have the desired resolution.

for the 1pass quality, the avg bitrate is not used only max bitrate.

>I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality.
perhaps try some other tools for the rv9 that could fufill your wish.
if u are not satisfied by my work.

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DC... I don't get it... You lower the rez, and the player zoom it back to the rez wanted... Why not then encode at 456*344 and the player will then resize in full screen? The goal of anasomething is to encode at DVD rez with no resizine then in the player zoom to the good proportion. We gain quality with this. Anasomething is for uting when we have enough bits to spend on it, not when they are missing.

Maybe you can implement both :)

CaptainCarrot

22nd April 2003, 23:01

Hi Dark-Cracker,
>>I want higher quality, AutoRV9 gives me lower quality.
perhaps try some other tools for the rv9 that could fufill your wish.
if u are not satisfied by my work. .
Sorry if that sounded somewhat rude, didn't mean to. Your tool is great, it's just that your anamorphic encoding is somewhat strange, and i had the impression that when implementing that in AutoRV9 you took it for something else than everyone else, I only wanted to point that out. Since it's a beta, I'm just trying to give feedback.
It might actually already work if the res wasn't limited to 720. Would it be possible to remove that limit for anamorphic encoding?

Ramirez

22nd April 2003, 23:53

Hey D.C first of all I'd like to thank you for the extremely good work you're doing with Autorv9,this is my favorite tool ever and I'm using it exclusively for my RV9 encodes.
Now since you're asked for people's input on your tool here is mine, nothing important really but still..

1. is it possible to enable "ShowInTaskbar" property for the main form; it's somewhat annoying not being able to minimize the autorv9's window to the tray.

2. The logging window, any chance to dump it? Its shows up absolutely randomly and I've never seen any useful info displayed there (more precisely its not showing anything)Perhaps it's a good idea to add an about box instead?

3. The process priority settings, is it possible to replicate it to the autorv9's tray icon so when you're clicking on the tray icon with the left mouse button menu shows up where you can change process priority on the fly (while its really easy under win2k/XP, Win9x users need some third part tools for that purpose)

4. External application pathes for Producer, rmeditor etc should be checked out silently upon every startup of autorv9 and since the search will be limited to the app.Path. dir it's won't affect start-up times at all, that "save settings" confirmation box should only shows up if autorv9 fails to find these apps in their default directory, or when the user want to choose an alternative dir other then default.

Probably that kind of changes will require loads of work, but hey this is only mine none professional opinion, and your tool really great as it, I just thought about the way to make it even more good.

Thanks again and keep up the great work.:)

Dark-Cracker

23rd April 2003, 17:30

@sirber
if u use fullscreen u will lost ratio :) (it's a joke)
not in fact i have add this fake anamorphic because i encode some anime and i use a lower res and with this way u can save bits and keep a correct resolution.
but the other way (real anamorphic) will be added :)

@CaptainCarrot
no problem :) :)
i will modified the anamorphic encode.
and of course feedback are welcome.

@ramirez
1- yes it will be modified
2- i will try to avoid it popup else i will try to display informations :)
3- i will try to see how to change the priority on the fly but it's not so easy to add it.
4- yes i will try to improve this window.

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Sirber

23rd April 2003, 23:38

Hi DC!!!!

For animes it's a good thing, I didn't think about that... I was thinking about real movies :) It's great if you will implement both.

can't wait! can't wait!

A little fatty biggy question: What about 32kbps voice codec? Answer me!!! :devil: :devil: :devil: (not joking ;) )

Sirber

28th April 2003, 21:45

Any news?

When the next beta will be out? I can't wait!!!! :D

iwod

2nd May 2003, 10:40

@ Dark Cracker

could you implement a funvtion for profiles, so i could use different version of producer for testing instead of choosing the producer.exe everytime.

snowcrash

9th May 2003, 21:55

I'd like to try out AutoRV9 but I noticed that it wants to install AviSynth 2.06. I already have AviSynth 2.51(?) installed on my system for use with Gordian Knot. I'm guessing this will mess things up if I install the AviSynth that comes with AutoRV9? How should I handle this? Thanks.

zedude

9th May 2003, 22:06

Autorv9 1.3 beta supports avisynth 2.51 : http://www.dark-angel.does.it

Ramirez did a repack of autorv9 1.2 with avisynth 2.5+ : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50675

Sirber

9th May 2003, 22:08

The repack works great. AutoRV9 1.3b1 isn't ready for encoding now. There is no filters.

I can't wait for b2!!

snowcrash

10th May 2003, 06:50

Yes, the repack works well, although the IVTC 2.2 filter does not work (gives error "not an AviSynth 2.5 filter"). I heard this one was good for anime, that's why I was trying to use it. Anyway, I used Decomb and that looks fine.

Does anyone have an opinion on the anime filters MSmooth and Deen Beta? Do they help much?

Sirber

10th May 2003, 13:23

Decomb is the best one in my opinion.

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 06:44

Hi,

autorv9 v1.3 beta2 is released :)
i have not fully tested all the options but apparently all work fine , bug report and suggestions are welcome before the final release :)

URL (5Mb) :
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http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b2.zip

changelog :
-----------
- anamorphic encode support
- support .wav audio input file
- improve smil file for 4/3 movie.
- fix the black frames when splitting movie.
- improve audio part (full azid comfiguration possible,add boost, pre gain .... etc )
- improve video filters.
- some bug fix / clean of the code

To do :
-------
add an histogram for showing the bitrate
add chapters support
improve subtitle support
minor changes still in whishlist.

Enjoy it :)
Bye

iwod

7th June 2003, 08:00

it said i need vb6fr.dll, where could i find it??

edit: i download it from some site and put it in my system32 file. But it comes out as a french message error....

31 Flavas

7th June 2003, 09:07

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

To do :
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add an histogram for showing the bitrate
add chapters support
improve subtitle support
minor changes still in whishlist.

Enjoy it :) How do you plan on doing chapters? i'm very curious, because I don't know how to do it without it being a total kludge and SMIL nightmare.

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 17:31

hi,

@iwod
which is this french msg ?
in my site web u can find all the runtime needed for my tools.

@31 flavas
for the chapters u need to use the smil seek function. smil was not a total nightmare :) wait to see my interactive menu :)

Bye.

Ramirez

7th June 2003, 18:54

Hey DC nice work thx! :) Here are some things I hope you can check and fix (more later :D)

1. The Avisynth script isn't updated at all, (moviename_movie.avs) no matter what I do it remains the same,now if I try to delete this file (autorv9 usually recreates this file in this scenario), the program crashes (File not found error) IIRC error-21.
2. The memory usage is goes up to 140mb here (in idle state)
3. Minimize to tray... Remember? pleeease enable it.:)

Thanks!

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 19:20

hi,

yes no problem the avisynth edito script part is beeing modified :)

hum are strange it use so much memory i will made some check but i think if it have crashed before (like in your 1. bug report) it surrely for this :)

yes i will try to improve the systray tray option :)

Bye.

Ramirez

7th June 2003, 19:36

I should have been more precise sorry; :) Autorv9 only eats memory when I open up the Crop window, especially if I moving the seeking bar (seeking is so speedy now, great work!) the memory usage for autorv9.exe then immediately jumps up to 140mb and then it stays the same even if I close the Crop window (the only way to bring it down is by terminating the autorv9.exe)

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2003, 20:30

hum i think i have forget to deallocate memory once the video stream have finish to grab frame :)

i will fix this in the next release. think to redo a test to see if this problem is fixed.

Bye.

31 Flavas

8th June 2003, 00:31

I'm intersted in using the anamorphic resize of Producer in autorv9, but I can not figure out how to use it. The anamorphic resize numbers are grayed out and not changeable even when I put a checkmark in the anamorphic resize box.

I want to go 720x480 -> 888x480 (1.85:1).

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

8th June 2003, 00:44

crop your movie then select anamorphic and use "keep croping value" it will calculate the anamorphic value needed. (using the croped value * ratio) u can't enter manual values.

Bye.

31 Flavas

8th June 2003, 02:40

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

crop your movie then select anamorphic and use "keep croping value" it will calculate the anamorphic value needed. (using the croped value * ratio) The ratio of the dvd video is 1.50:1 so it is giving me 600x400 as the anamorphic resize value. This is wrong, my movie is 1.85:1.

u can't enter manual values. Why not? Will manual entry of anamorphic resize come in a later version?

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

8th June 2003, 03:06

hi,

could try to host a part of your movie , i wanted to made some tests why it doesn't use the right ratio.
perhaps a free resize but later this could disapointed the user to have differents resize value tu enter :)

Bye.

31 Flavas

8th June 2003, 05:02

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

could try to host a part of your movie , i wanted to made some tests why it doesn't use the right ratio. It doesn't use the right ratio, because I have not resized the input video. The input video is still 720x480 US NTSC dvd video (1.50:1). The proper playback viewing ratio is 1.85:1.

perhaps a free resize but later this could disapointed the user to have differents resize value tu enter I want to use RealProducers anamorphic resize so I do not lose any of the 480 lines of resolution. Please allow manual entry of anamorphic resize. Both RMFactory and x2real allow this.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

10th June 2003, 01:23

hi,

a quick update here :

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/autorv9_1.3_b2_update.zip

changelog :
-----------
- add EHQ support
- improve autocrop

@Ramirez
i think now the memory problem is also fixed i close the videostream once u start an encode. could u made a test.

Bye.

31 Flavas

10th June 2003, 04:48

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

perhaps a free resize but later this could disapointed the user to have differents resize value tu enter :) Or perhaps you could just allow editing of the command line that will be sent to producer. I could make the changes I need there.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

10th June 2003, 11:56

yes i will try to find a solution :)

Bye.

Ramirez

10th June 2003, 23:51

Hey DC, sorry couldn't replay earlier,:) Yes the mem usage is better now (dropped from 140 to 60),so I guess there's still some unresolved issues for you to fix,and no,the Avisynth editor window is still not updated.

Dark-Cracker

20th July 2003, 18:44

the beta 3 is out :

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b3.zip

Changelog :
--------------

- change latency at 60 sec.
- bundle with latest Producer Millestone 5 (EHQ support)
- added support for Multichannel (create 6 separate .wav mono file)
- add support for 5.1 input wav file.
- improve audio part (added azid, boost, resample ... )
- rewritte the rv9 header parser.
- improve the P4 Hyperthreading support.
- improve the split : more accurate & fix the black screen bug on second part.
- fix the problem for the update of avisynth script file.

All bug report and suggestions are welcome :)

Bye.

superdump

21st July 2003, 00:51

I'm new to this program but it looks very nice. All the options seem to be in place and it's very easy to use. I haven't encountered any bugs so far and it is happily encoding at the moment. :)

iwod

21st July 2003, 08:38

why o why....... does the vb6 setup never work for me......

where can i find other setup program??

Edit........ ok i find a soloution is to simply copy it manually VBFR.dll to system32 folder.

Dark-Cracker

21st July 2003, 11:27

sorry i don't have added vb6fr.dll :) in the package . but i can download the vb6runtime pack on my site web.

To do :
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add job list
add 6 wav mono input
add avisynth error detection
add .avi/.ogm/.mkv ... input
add output as matroska file
(cf : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57318)

Bye.

karl_lillevold

23rd July 2003, 21:02

Great utility, D-C!

A couple of things to remember when using it (I have forgotten myself, which is why I mention it here):

I always recommend changing the resize to Neutral Bicubic (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43487) instead of Soft Bicubic. Of course, preferences vary on this topic.

And of course, always remember to set EHQ mode to Extra High, unless you have set the reg key to always use encoderComplexity = 80.

ookzDVD

24th July 2003, 02:04

Hi DC,

Nice update in the right time and the right place :)

I just don't understand why the auto crop is still behave
strange on my machine, sometimes even I did the manual crop
while enter the value, your proggie is suddently behave strange,
just like not responding.

Btw, the audio section, please add the "surround2" mode without
click the "Advanced".

Thank you.

karl_lillevold

24th July 2003, 07:16

@ookzDVD: I think due to Avisynth restrictions, AutoRV9 cropping tries to enforce even numbers in the dialog boxes, so if you want to enter 50, it refuses the first 5, and then hangs (at least sometimes). So I always type 60, and use the arrows to go up and down from there.

Regarding Surround2: as far as I can see, this is the default downmix mode, so you don't actually have to open the Advanced menu. I always open it anyway though, to add Normalization.

This brings me to my question. I have not really played around much with Dolby ProLogic II, well not at all, to be honest. Compared to PL1, this is supposed to be able to carry separate rear channels, right..? Have you tried to encode this downmixed 2ch signal and noticed a good rear channel separation when playing back the result? When I get 6 speakers for home, I'll experiment with the 'Surround2' and 'Surround' modes, and see if there is much difference.

Dark-Cracker

24th July 2003, 07:43

Hi,

@karl
yep i must change the resize filter i have set it on soft bicubic because it a but most faster than neutral but i think there is not a lot of differences.
for EHQ i think set it at default on 80 could made at the user the wrong idear that rv9 is (very) slow. but i will try to find a solution (surely ask on the first start if u want to set ehq on hight an save the setting.)

@ookzDVD
if u select "stereo output" besweet will be set on "stereo" for the downmix, if u select "surround output" it will be set on "surround" because it seems to me the surround2 matrix have some problems and of course was optimised for DP2 and not DP1 but i will change it on surround2 if the users prefer :)

could u explain me excately what is happen with the autocrop ?

@karl
>AutoRV9 cropping tries to enforce even numbers in the dialog boxes.
yes it round number at the near modulo 2 , hum i will made more tests to avoid this problem of the number 50 :) .

hum i will surely add the normalisation in the default settings or perhaps even save the settings of the audio in the .ini file it's parhaps the best solution :)

Bye.

Wilbert

24th July 2003, 09:35

@Karl,

Have a look at: http://hypercubemx.free.fr/html/the_audio_formats_jungle.html

karl_lillevold

24th July 2003, 17:31

I just added this to the RV9 Info thread.
EDIT: 07/24: Avoid Producer Milestone 5. An accidental change was made that disabled EHQ no matter what the reg key or encoderComplexity setting is set to.
Until D-C can update his zip with a fixed encoder DLL erv4.dll, please update the DLL yourself.

EDIT: information about the new method to enable EHQ, and a corrected DLL where the previous method works (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196)

Valky

24th July 2003, 17:38

So you are saying that latest Autorv9 has this broken dll?

karl_lillevold

24th July 2003, 17:44

yes, it has a DLL that does not do EHQ, no matter how you try to set it. Neither reg key nor Audience file setting works. that's the problem with posting these Milestones with little QA testing. I can't test every change that's made to all of Producer myself :angry:

ookzDVD

25th July 2003, 02:14

@DC,

I think karl_lillevold was right about the crop :)
But the autocrop is still mystery on my machine,
btw, I prefer to do manually anyway.

Btw, I think your .srt -> .rt routine is going wild,
the timestamp is not converted correctly.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

25th July 2003, 23:13

hi,

@ookzDVD
i have change the autocrop (before it was failed and the negative value found froozen the window now it's fixed).

could u send me your .srt file at darkcracker@caramail.com and say me which fps is the video (have u used some ivtc who have change the fps from 29.97 to 23.976 ?) , and could u post a little sample of the original .srt and the same sample after conversion in .rt file ?

thank u this will help me to solve this bug :)

Bye.

ookzDVD

28th July 2003, 03:01

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

could u send me your .srt file at darkcracker@caramail.com and say me which fps is the video (have u used some ivtc who have change the fps from 29.97 to 23.976 ?) , and could u post a little sample of the original .srt and the same sample after conversion in .rt file ?

thank u this will help me to solve this bug :)

Bye.

Sorry DC, somehow I did delete the .rt file. :(
But I can tell you in brief, the first timestamp in the .rt
file is start with "01:...." not 00:..... :(

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

28th July 2003, 22:00

hi,

a quick update :

url :
-----
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b3.5.zip
(unzip and overwrite in the autorv9 directory)

changelog :
-----------
fix possible crop slider freeze
fix preview
fix EHQ problem (using hight, or very-hight switch)
fix refresh tempory directory (for 2 audio stream)
fix possible problem with 5.1 wav input

added joblist
added audio 2.0=> 5.1 (kpex method)
add basic log file when encoding
improve azid (for .ac3) settings.

the 2 most steps are the improve of RA multichannels with the possibility to emulate stereo (2.0) file to surround( 5.1) file.
entierely based on teh KPEX way (all greet go to him).

and the possibility to add job in queued.

PS: i don't have made a lot of tests with the job function if u have some bugs to report thik to describe exactely the way to reproduce it !!!!

Bye.

ookzDVD

29th July 2003, 02:32

Hi DC,

Thank you for the beta update,
btw, with the latest 1.3 beta 3, I did EHQ @ 700Mb and the actual
size is 702Mb, so I try again with target @ 699 but the result is
625Mb. How could it be so dramatic ? Is it the producer effect
or just your proggie ?

Thank you.

Sirber

29th July 2003, 02:38

702MB is still burnable. If no, try overburn :)

ookzDVD

29th July 2003, 02:50

My CD-RW is too old maybe max 8x, not support over-burn yet :(
the Nero report the size is 80:01 :(

Sirber

29th July 2003, 02:58

Try advanced options. If you overburn for 2 MB it should be ok, but overburn on some burner can burn them :) Use with caution. I'm not responsible!! :eek:

karl_lillevold

29th July 2003, 05:28

overburn: in Nero I always seem to forget how to get overburn to work. I have found I have to do these three steps:
1) Enable the advanced option for overburn (File->Preferences->Expert Features->Enable overburn.
2) In the options for every disc in Multisession (no wizard mode), choose No Multisession.
3) Finally, in the Burn menu, choose Disc-At-Once/96. This option becomes available only after choosing No Multisession in step 2).
These steps could probably have been made easier... Anyone?

Producer created too small file: double-check to make sure EHQ is really enabled.. Also, I have seen this happen for encodes where there is a very long and very stationary credits section. Due to Producer's VBR design, it sometimes has trouble spending enough bits for the Credits section. AutoRV9's separate credit / feature encode seems to always work great to avoid this problem. I have seen many examples where 695 MB target ends up being between 695 and 700MB.

@DC: do you think you can put back a link to 1.3b3 in the first post? The only link there now is to the b3.5 update that does not include the rest of b3.

karl_lillevold

29th July 2003, 05:47

Hi DC,

I am afraid the latest 1.3b3.5 does not work with EHQ . In codecProperties it currently puts:

<codecProperties type="bag">
<encoderComplexity type="uint">very-high</encoderComplexity>
</codecProperties>

This does not work. As explained in my Producer M5 post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196), there is a new setting in the videoStream section that looks like below. The confusing part is how it almost looks the same ('encodingComplexity' instead of 'encoderComplexity', and has been moved to the <videoStream> section from the <codecProperties> section. The other difference is the setting itself, which has been simplified from confusing numbers to simple string descriptions.

<videoStream>
...
<encodingComplexity type="string">very-high</encodingComplexity>
...
</videoStream>

The result of this error is that encoding fails with this error message:

PID2332,Error,Job File,2003/07/28 21:35:46,10124,Element "encoderComplexity" of type uint has invalid value "very-high"
PID2332,Diagnostic,SDK Configuration,2003/07/28 21:35:46,10407,Unable to load audience from file c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad

So this version of AutoRV9 will not work with either Milestone 5 or my corrected DLL, if you try to enable EHQ. Both should work well without EHQ. If you would like to use EHQ, you have to use 1.3b3 with my corrected DLL (see Producer M5 link above).

karl_lillevold

29th July 2003, 06:01

So after the encoding failed I tried to edit the c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad file audience file manually and then re-run the encode, but it looks like AutoRV9 now deletes its avs scripts when it exits. This has always been my escape strategy when something has failed, so it would be very useful if the Avisynth scripts were not deleted on exit.

P.S. no problems detected with crop slider this time. I think that problem was fixed completely.

ammer

29th July 2003, 08:24

atkarl, nero should save these settings then there and after you set these settings. many times i have done the thing nero and it burns without the step process.

Dark-Cracker

29th July 2003, 11:58

dohh ! i have made a mistake :) so much tired when i have made the modifications :) i will fix this problem asap, does someone have notice another problems ? perhaps with the joblist or the option to upmix stereo input in surround output ?

@karl
i have change the refresh of the .avs,.rpad file else the joblist will have some problems (it's this who avoid in previous version of autorv9 to made more than 1 encode else another encode used the previous .rpad file).

Bye.

ookzDVD

30th July 2003, 02:14

@DC,

Yes I just want to post about that problem too,
btw what's wrong with your EHQ in the AutoRV9 1.3 beta3 anyway ?

@karl_lillevold,

Thank you for the over-burn tips, I'll try.
btw, anyone here ever try use the 90mins CDR ?
I have the CD but Nero can't burn over 80mins on
my CDRW :(

ammer

30th July 2003, 08:48

sorry nm with the nero thing. it seemed like the steps did not work. scratch the last post.

Dark-Cracker

31st July 2003, 21:32

u can use this installer to completely enjoy the real audio 5.1 :)

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Real_Audio_5.1.zip

next beta will be out in two or three days , if u have some suggestions / bug report it's time :)

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

4th August 2003, 20:18

hi,

another little update :)

url :
-----

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b4.zip

changelog :
-----------

option to improve hight scene motion.
fix subtitle problems.
support .avs input
improve 2.0=>5.1 conversion
fixed fully the EHQ mode
add chapters support for .smil
add transparent subtitle for .smil
detect the avisynth error msg
improve avisynth editor (support credits .avs).
change priority on the fly (dblclick on the systray icon)

Personal comments :
-------------------
1)
--> option to improve hight scene motion. <--
i have added an option to add grain in hight motion and avoid the codec blur these scene by forcing the rv9 codec to redistribute more bits on these scenes. this option is EXPERIMENTAL use it only for vbr 2 pass mode else your encode could be oversized.

any report/tests on this option is welcome.

2)
this time the EHQ fully work :) sorry for my previous mistake.

3)
u can now import .avs file (this mean avi/directshow source option,u can now open : .rmvb/.mkv/.omg/.avi/.wmv/.mpg/.qt )

Bye.

deXtoRious

5th August 2003, 00:17

A good thing that I decided to come here before launching another dvdrip...;)

Valky

5th August 2003, 10:17

Seems to me that this tool has now everything I have ever wanted and much more. So if there isn't any major bugs left, it should be perfect now!

I am gonna test as soon as I can :)

Just one question. Is it enough to update this file over old AutoRV9 1.2?

Or what version should I have so that I can unzip this beta over it?

Dark-Cracker

5th August 2003, 12:19

don't decompress file in the autorv9 v1.2 directory else there will be a conflict beetween the old producer .dll and the new millestone build.

to made a full install :

install avisynth v2.5.2
unzip beta v1.3b3 (bundle with Millestone M5,besweet,plugin)
unzip the update : v1.3b4

not necessary :
if u want u can also update the mpeg2dec3.dll v1.10 (dir : soft\avsfile\)
and the latest besweet v1.5b19 (dir : softs\besweet\)

and it's start encode :)

Ps: in final release i will try to made a more light version of millestone.

Bye.

deXtoRious

5th August 2003, 12:45

There is a problem with AutoRV9, it won't open a d2v made from a vob with a size of over 4 gigabytes. Is it possible to somehow work around this? If not, then what can I use to split the vob?

Dark-Cracker

5th August 2003, 17:57

what is the exact error msg autorv9 show u ?
whith which tool have u made your .d2v ?

are u in FAT32 , or NTFS ? in the ripper option there is the possibility to rip .vob file by part of 1 Gb

Bye.

deXtoRious

5th August 2003, 19:35

The error is: "Evaluate: Unrecognised Exception! (c:\tempAVS.avs, Line 3). I have made my d2v with DVD2AVI 1.76. The VOB is on an NTFS drive, but AutoRV9 is on a FAT32 drive. I know about the possibility to split during ripping, but unfortunately the DVD is not available to me right now.

Just in case you need it, here is TempAVS.avs:

# !!! DO NOT EDIT MANUALLY THIS FILE !!!
LoadPlugin ("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoRV9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
MPEG2Source ("E:\Video\DVD\Basic\basic.d2v")
Tweak(bright=0,hue=0,sat=1,cont=1)
ConvertToRGB32()

Can this problem be solved?

Rasi

6th August 2003, 00:32

hmm... i added 2 audio files, which were nicely converted to wavs and encoded to ra.

but it didnt mux the audio files with the video stream... is this a bug probably?

and even more important, how can i mux it afterwards? :P

ah and another thing.. i chose 64kbps in audio bitrate tab, but it encoded the files in 96kbps...

i was using 1.3b3....

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 07:49

@deXtoRious
i can't do nothing i think it's a restriction of the FAT32 perhaps should u post a msg in the avisynth section there is perhaps a way (using a new avisynth or mpeg2dec3 dll file) to bypass this limitation. but in anny case keep in your dvd ripper the split in 1gb part option.

@Rasi
.rmvb structure can't support 2 audio streams u need to encode them separately (in .rm file) and use some .smil file to launch the video + the selected audio stream. i will check for this possible bug for the audio bitrate.

Bye.

Valky

6th August 2003, 10:01

I tried to do exactly same thing. I encoded my avs-input and used 2 audio streams. Afterwards I got now 2 nice rm-files and smil-files too, but my video was only 25kb so that was pretty useless night.

I tried to convert with high EHQ and noisy high action scenes.

And one more thing..is there any point to use avs-input, course endoder overrides all my filters in it anyway and writes it's own scripts with different resizer and no filters at all?

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 11:43

be sure u have the latest beta4 (i have reupload it a few hours ago because a filter addgrain.dll was missing and needed for the noisehightmotion). i think this will solve your problem.
i can redo your encode without audio and keeping your already encoded audio .rm file.

u can select .avs input , else edit your .avs file only once your have crop/resize else the new script will overwritte the old.

sorry again :)
Bye.

deXtoRious

6th August 2003, 13:03

@Dark-Cracker

Well, thanks for trying...:(

SocketA

6th August 2003, 17:10

@Dark-Cracker

Great program you have made.
I only have one small problem with it :D

I have quite a lot of MPEG2 files that have the size 480x576 (4:3 PAL 25fps interlaced).

I have tried to use the 4:3 aspect ratio, but the final RM file comes out with black borders on the sides of the picture.

If I use the 1:1 aspect ratio and make a 720x576 or a 704x576 RM video, it comes out like it should (aspect wise 4:3), But if I make it full screen in RealPlayer, the video get's a black border around the whole video :(

If I make a 384x288 video with a aspect ratio of 1:1 it comes out ok, no black borders, but at that size the picture has lost to much detail.

Help!

SocketA

6th August 2003, 19:44

I have been making some more videos and it seems to be a problem with RealPlayer and not AutoRV9.

Guess we need a "fit-to-fullscreen" aspect in RealPlayer, like ZoomPlayer has, otherwise I don't see how a 720x576 or 480x576 PAL 4:3 would fit a PC monitor.

I just tryed to make a 768x576 sized video, but I couldn't get AutoRV9 to go that high :(

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 19:56

u cant go upper because avisynth doesn't support u use resize filter to upper ouput resolution than input resolution.

SocketA

6th August 2003, 20:08

Huh? :confused:

Are you saying that I can't resize from small to big ?

AviSynth can resize from something like 352x288 to 720x576 easy...

karl_lillevold

6th August 2003, 20:33

@SocketA: encoding 480x576 to playback on a full-screen in RealOne (or RealPlayer) is possible, but maybe a little tricky in existing GUI front-ends. You have to use the same technique as for anamorphic encoding, that is tell producer to resize to 720x576, while its input is 480x576. Producer will then not actually resize, but encode at 480x576, and place a flag in the bitstream such that the player will stretch from 480x576 to 720x576 on playback. I am not sure how to achieve this in AutoRV9, maybe it's possible with its anamorphic feature. I might give it a try later.

EDIT: you do not want to resize up /before/ Producer, since it will then have to encode at higher resolution than the source, which is less efficient.

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 20:36

hum i think it was inpossible with the old avisynth now u can resize upper without problems i will see to remove my restriction. even i think resize upper will only decrease quality and increase bits needed.

++

SocketA

6th August 2003, 21:27

@karl_lillevold

I have just tried doing what you just said and it seems to work perfect :)
I did use AutoRV9 some of the way (needed it to make the audience and avs file).
Then I just edited the AVS file to NOT resize and cut, and then I run the same command line as AutoRV9 would, but with the added switch '-rs 768x576'

Seems to work nicely :D

BTW : I'm using RealOne Player, not the 'old' RealPlayer :o

@Dark-Cracker

I guess a little bit more freedom in your program would be nice :D
When I select the 1:1 aspect ratio, I can't select anamorphic encoding.
How about an expert mode :p

Dark-Cracker

6th August 2003, 23:12

@SocketA
héhé i try to find a middle beetween the automatisation and the manual tweaking :) not always easy :) :) :)

i think i will add the possibility to enter manual values in anamorphic if u select 1:1 aspect ratio.

Bye.

ookzDVD

7th August 2003, 02:03

@DC,

Please comfirm me about :
the latest AutoRV9 is not need to install karl's er4.dll ?
correct ?

Just use the original Producer 9.2 M5 ?

PS.
My 2 latest encoding with your AutoRv9 always hit 702Mb,
over Nero's 80:00 mins limit which is not burnable on
my old CD-RW which not support the overburn yet.
So is that possible to lower it to 701Mb or 700Mb?

Thank you.

karl_lillevold

7th August 2003, 02:16

@ookzDVD: if you don't mind me answering...

Correct, DC's latest AutoRV9 uses the new method to enable EHQ, so a corrected DLL is not necessary.

Filesize: I have seen the filesizes tend to be 2-3 MB too large, so I would recommend changing to 695 MB as target filesize.

Dark-Cracker

7th August 2003, 08:26

karl was (as always :) ) right.

for the filesize normally u can burn 703 mb on a cdr if my memory was right. but i think u can try to split the last minute (using rmeditor -i "c:\input.rmvb" -o "c:\splitted.rmvb -e XX:XX:XX.XXX ) and split the end credits i think it's the only solution.

i will try to improve the overhead calculation to avoid such problems.

Bye.

ookzDVD

8th August 2003, 02:24

@karl,
Thank you for your confirmation ;)

@DC,
please, I found that lowering the target to 695Mb sometimes
impact the result too hard :(

kastro68

8th August 2003, 03:59

Hi,

I'm new to anamorphic encoding with rv9 and was wondering what resolution you recommend producer resize to.

For instance, should I set the output resolution to my desktop resolution?

And would anamorphic resize be recommended in all instances, or only when the bits per pixel is greater than some threshold, say 0.13 for instance.

Cheers,

I'm still not sure how anamorphic resize will affect tv output, but I guess I'll find out in a couple of hours.

Dark-Cracker

8th August 2003, 07:59

hi,

anamorphic resolution is automaticly calculated by autorv9 based on your ratio selection . i have added a faked anamorphic mode (first resize lower the clip in avisynth and after ask at producer to strech the clip (allow to made some anamorphic encode at *common* resolution , it's surely better to use it if u want use tv output).

my anamorphic mode can be used at each instance , for normal anamorphic (produce more hight resolution) u need i think at last 0.15 bits/pix but it depend also of the compressibility of your movie. work well for 1H30 movie at 700 Mb.

any comment on tv output result are welcome :)

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

8th August 2003, 19:23

hi,

i have made a little update (overwrite old file) :

url:
----
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b4.5.zip

change log :
--------------
- fix the bitrate problem
- fix some refresh problems (in the autocrop, or ratio values)
- add DTS support

i have added the dts support, and some tests are welcome.

how to made these tests :

METHODE 1)

download a DTS trailer here :
http://www.cinenow.com/us/vobtrailer.php3

use DVD2AVI v1.77.x to extract the .dts file and made the .d2v
and start an normal encode.

METHODE 2)

create this .avs file
--------------- start -------------
blankclip(length=359,width=300,height=50,fps=25).subtitle("pulpfiction sample")
---------------- end ------------

save on your hard disk this .dts sample :

http://mitglied.lycos.de/stefanstrobl/download.htm
(click on : "for len0x: download your dts sample ...")

COMMON PART :

open in autorv9 .avs/.d2v file, select for the audio stream the .dts file,select output size , and start some tests for stereo or multichannel output. :)

post a msg if this have succeded or failed. of course a little description of the error or of the result is welcome. :)

BYe.

Dark-Cracker

11th August 2003, 22:48

hi,

another little update :)

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b5.zip

- fixed 100% the bitrate problem :)
- improve systray function
- possibility to change priority on the fly (dblclick on systray icon)
- fix possible problem with DTS and "force 6ch" option
- improve "force 6 ch" audio quality
- add IDTC param for mpeg2dec3.dll

PS: u need to have a registered Windvd platinum (upper than v4.5) software else u will obtain a silent audio stream.

i also want to say a big great at the 5 people who have made some tests for the DTS (apparently people on this forum are less motivated).

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

14th August 2003, 13:38

quick update :

(stable version)
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b5.5.zip

OR

(alpha)
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3_alpha.zip

Search Translator :

i will add multilanguage support but i search some people interested and motivated to translate Autorv9 (Autodub later).
if u are interested post a msg with your name,email, and language in this topic :

http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=380

or directely in this thread .

Ps: i particulary search people using non european alphabet (russian or chinese or japanese people are welcome)

Bye.

Sirber

17th August 2003, 02:18

# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,0,0,720,480)
#
# RESIZING
# AnaMorphic Resize (Do not Edit These Values)
# Real Resize Values : Width X Height ( 720 X 528 )
Video=LanczosResize(Video,792,528)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
Video=Limiter(Video)

Is that normal for anamorphic resize? Source is 4:3... Looks like a double resize. One by AVIsynth with 1.5 AR, then one in producer, with 1.36 AR. I don't get it :confused:

Sirber

17th August 2003, 02:41

hum...

Now I can't start it. I get "Dépassement de capacité". I can access all tabs, and all labels are blank. :D

[edit]

I found settings.cfg that was confusing AutoRV9:

[IDCT]
NUM=1
[Resize]
INDEX=6
[ANAMORPHIC]
USE=1
[ANAMAORPHIC]
KEEPCROP=0
[VIDEO]
PASSMODE=3
VIDEOMODE=1
EHQLEVEL=2
HIGHTMOTION=0

Dark-Cracker

17th August 2003, 03:34

hum

could u say me which resolution input was your file ? (try to explain me exactely how to reproduce this situation).

have u select option "keep cropped resolution" ?

yes u need to delete your old settings.cfg (conflict beetween old alpha version and new alpha version :) )

Bye.

Sirber

17th August 2003, 03:59

-Input-
Rez: 720x480
Format: 4:3

-Output-
Rez: 720x528
AR: 1.3
Type: Vertical Anamorphic

How it went bad:
1) Load D2V
2) in video tab, set NTSC, 4:3
you'll get rez: 720x528.
3) choose Anamorphic
you'll get rez: 792x528 :(

Problem:
1) Resize in AVISynth to a wierd rez
2) Resize in Producer for correct AR

Expected result:
AVIsynth:
Input: 720x480
Output: 720x480

Producer:
Input: 720x480
Output: 720x528 (anamorphic)

I hope this will help :)

Dark-Cracker

19th August 2003, 19:51

hi,

@ Sirber
could u try this version ?

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3_alpha.zip

changelog :
-----------
- save the last settings used (in setting.cfg)
- improve the anamorphic calculation.
- add basic multilanguage (german, and spanish)
if u are interested to made a translation, post a msg here : http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=380 with your name, email and language.

now it automaticly select beetween anamorphic vertical or horizontal.

(i think however the option "keep cropped resolution" should failed on NTSC 4/3 material).

all tests are welcomes. if someone could try to check if the value are corrects for 16/9 and 4/3 and for PAL or NTSC country.

Thank u bye :)

PS: there is sometimes a problem of refresh in anamorphic value for the value if u change ratio or country (simply check/uncheck the tickbox this will give u the correct numbers).

PS2: i think the beta 5.6 will be out friday and the next week ( the 1st september autorv9 v1.3 final will be out).

to do list : finish multilanguage support, improve the avisynth filters used , perhaps an help file.

this time it's really the end of the post :)
Bye.

Valky

22nd August 2003, 02:55

Does your software also support 'ä' and 'ö'?

I am from Finland and I just browsed through your language-file and that is the reason why I asked this. Is this translating scheduled?

Dark-Cracker

22nd August 2003, 08:55

i am working on a UTF-8 (unicode) support :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59879

but apparently there is a problem in my tool, it doesn't correctely encode character like 'ö' but correctely character like 'ä' apparently there is a problem when it return the unicode value for a character, i will try to made some searchs and say u when it's fixed.

Bye.

Soulhunter

24th August 2003, 19:59

I tryed AutoRV9 out this weekend, and it workd for the first 3 encodes, but now I got this error message when I start the app...

--------------------------
Lafzeitfehler '6':
Überlauf
--------------------------

In english it should be something like this...

--------------------------
Runtime-error '6':
Overflow
--------------------------

After click this message away, AutoRv9 starts but I can not do anything (e.g. select input)

I didnt intall anything else between... Before it was runnig !
Ive tryed to reinstall the app... But its still not working !

My system : WinME/DX9b/AviSynth2.5/Newest version of AutoRV9+Update/RealOnePlayer V2 Gold

I used exact the same input... (no changes in source/AVS) :confused: :confused: :confused:

Any suggestions ???

Bye

Dark-Cracker

24th August 2003, 20:37

delete the file "settings.cfg" in the root directory of autorv9 u have surely not the new alpha version (redownload it i sometimes update the archive without posting a new msg ).

normaly this will solve your problem. post a msg with the result.

Bye.

Soulhunter

25th August 2003, 19:46

My vesion was AutoRV9_v1.3b3 (name of the zip) and the update was v1.3b 5.5

I've downloaded it 3 days ago IIRC...

But deleting the "settings.cfg" solve the first problem... But got a new one !

Now the app starts without the runtime error "6" :)

But when I load the AVS now AutoRV9 crashes and I get this message... :(

AUTORV9 verursachte einen Fehler durch eine ungültige Seite
in Modul <Unbekannt> bei c174:0625f6c0.
Register:
EAX=02064ae0 CS=018f EIP=0625f6c0 EFLGS=00210202
EBX=00000000 SS=0197 ESP=006cf1e0 EBP=006cf2a8
ECX=063b0ab0 DS=0197 ESI=02060440 FS=2d87
EDX=02060440 ES=0197 EDI=02064b50 GS=0000
Bytes bei CS:EIP:

Stapelwerte:
02bea135 063b0ab0 02060440 00000000 02060440 660243f3 02060440 02060468 006cf224 02c5cbca 00000000 02be9fc8 020604f0 02bef3b3 00000001 020604f0

Damn... !!! I've only 6 days free time left, and I want finish my testings before... :(

(So far... My first impression after the first 3 encodes was... WOW !!!)

I'll try to download the beta again...

[PS: The AVS plays fine in VDub n' MediaPlayer... ;)]

Bye

Soulhunter

25th August 2003, 20:18

Its done...

Now I tryed the re-downloaded version+update...
But the problem is still the same... :(

Bye

Dark-Cracker

25th August 2003, 21:19

hum strange what is your OS ?
try only the beta3 version.

what is your input file ? an .avs file ? if yes try to rename the avisyntherror.dll in avisyntherror.dll.old it's perhaps my c++ dll who have some problem to open this .avs , generaly VB doesn't produce such error.

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

25th August 2003, 23:11

Hi,

another little update before a final version soon :)

still here :
-------------
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3_alpha.zip

changelog :
-----------
- fix some problem with the bitrate calc and 2 audio streams.
- improve overhead calculation for a more accurate final size.
- fix problem with chapters.
- improve anamorphic resize.
- store the latest encoding settings in a file ("settings.cfg")
- add multilanguage support (french,english, italian, german, turkish, chinese, spanish).

a really big thanks for my translators :) . thank u very much for your work and your motivations :)

Name : Wiflye81, Devilman, mao, crypton, Reiko .. and all the other who have still working on translations.

Bye.

ookzDVD

26th August 2003, 02:13

@DC,

I have a little bit trouble with Auto-Crop,
sometimes if I reset the crop the Auto-Crop is not working,
it just work for the first time.

Dark-Cracker

26th August 2003, 08:15

i will try to find and fix this bug but if u could explain me at 100% how to reproduce this bug i will fix it for sure :)

Bye.

Soulhunter

26th August 2003, 22:21

Hi again...

My OS...? WinMe...! (My first post... ;))

And yes, my input is a AVS...
But Ive also tryed to open the *.d2v file... This causes the same crash ! :confused:

And the beta without the update does same...

Renameing the avisyntherror.dll... I get a warning that this file is not found... And it crashes too ! :confused

Ive also downloaded the new zip... But no change... :(

Im a bit confused... Because the app worked well for my first 3 encodes...
I really didnt changed anything since that time... :confused:

Bye

ookzDVD

27th August 2003, 02:02

@DC,

I think your latest Alpha already fix the auto-crop problem
on my sysetm.

Thank you anyway.

deXtoRious

27th August 2003, 10:48

Dark-Cracker, I've got a question. Is your source code available/going to be available?

Dark-Cracker

27th August 2003, 11:46

@SoulHunter

try to reinstall the vb6runtime, but i have no idear why u have this problem , perhaps u have install a software who have corrupt a vb .dll runtime. try on another computer. (hum it's perhaps time to reinstall windows :) )

@ookzDVD
yes i think this bug is fixed :) if u find another post a msg with the step to reproduce it at 100%

@deXtoRious
no source code (yet) after a bad experience with a concurrent i have re-close the source. but helixcommunity seems interested perhaps i will give them the source, and for sure i will open source if i must a day stop to develop this project.

Bye.

alx

27th August 2003, 12:12

Hi DC, thanks for your terrific program
I´m a comletly newbie in rv9 arena right now.
I´ve made my second encode last night and i want to make a question.......i´ve made American Beauty with 2 audio tracks and ending credits.............the problem was autorv9 joined final video+credits, but not the 2 audio streams.........now i got one final .rmvb file with video+credits (1.rmvb) and two .rm files with audio (1_stream.rm and 2_stream.rm).......how can i join this 3 files???
I´m using Autorv9_v1.3b5.5.
Thanks a lot for your time and effort, and i apologize because my poor english.
Alx

Dark-Cracker

27th August 2003, 12:22

hi,

no problem for your poor english mine is more crap :)

in fact u can't mux 2 audio stream in a .rmvb container u need to use the .smil file (normaly generated by autorv9) to launch the video and the audio in the same time. it's the only way.

but if u want u could try matroska container (.mkv) to store the 2 audio .rm file and video .rmvb file (and even subtitle) in the same container :

read this thread it's my little tool to made this mux automaticly :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57318

else media player classic and realone support .smil file.

Bye.

ookzDVD

28th August 2003, 02:09

@DC,

The status window is somehow can't be scrolled right
the encoding status message can't displayed full.

Big_Berny

28th August 2003, 10:12

I have a big problem! I have a movie which I captured before week. But when I try to opoen it with AutoRV9 (over a .avs-file) it shows not the correct movie-information:
It shows 376x272 instead of 368x272
FPS 24 instead of FPS 25
240Frames instead of 33318Frames

I don't know why. I used the huffyuv-codec to capture, and with all the other captured movies I don't have this problem and they are captured exactly the same way. GSpot and other utilities show the correct informations. I tried to reencode the movie (also with huffyuv, so there should be no loss), because I thought of a little problem in the header or so, but it didn't solve the problem!

Any answers?
Big_Berny

Dark-Cracker

28th August 2003, 11:46

@ookzDVD
yes this have been fixed wait the next beta (6) released surely this night :)

@big_berny
strange, could u open this .avs file in media player and say me what informations it display u when u click on property.
normaly autorv9 use the same API to get informations on the .avs file.

if it show i the correct informations plz try to split a little sample (around 1 mb) and host me this file in order i made some tests.

Bye.

CruNcher

28th August 2003, 12:57

@ Big_Berny

240Frames instead of 33318Frames

thats the frame count of an error message look in the video what the error is or just open the avs with a player :)

Big_Berny

28th August 2003, 16:09

Vrey strang! I can open/view the avs-file with the MediaPlayer and Virtualdub. I can't find the problem.
If I open the avs-file in AutoRV9 and I click on "manual crop" (for the preview) I see this message:
"Evaluate: Unrecognized exception!
(F:\temp1\simpsons.AVS, line 1) (that's: AVISource("F:\temp1\simpsons1.avi"))
(c:\TempAVS.avs, line 2) (that's: Import ("F:\temp1\simpsons.AVS").ConvertToYV12())

With my second file which is in f:\temp2 I don't have this problem but I use "exactly" the same .avs!
Big_Berny

Dark-Cracker

28th August 2003, 17:30

try to set :

AVISource("F:\temp1\simpsons1.avi",false)

in your "simpsons.avs" file to disable audio, there is sometimes a bug with Avisynth and Import function.

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

28th August 2003, 20:31

Hi,

i have made the last beta before final release in few days :) if u find bugs report them , and explain me how to reproduce it at 100%

it come bundle with :

- Light version of MilleStone 6
- Latest Mpeg2dec3.dll (v1.10)
- Latest Besweet (v1.5b20)
- Latest Avisynth 2.5.2 (build 20/08/03)

added in the package a "Real Audio Pack" to install all dll and registry key to enable the 5.1 surround sound in MPC or RealOne.

Bye.

URL (6 MB) :
---------------
http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b6.zip

change log :
--------------
- improve loggin (create xxx_LogFile.log)
- fix problems with "settings.cfg"
- delete tempory .wav files
- add a speed test
- improve Hight Motion filtering
- improve finale file size calculation
- improve .smil file
- multilanguage support
- fixed all bugs reported

All bug report/suggestions are welcome !

Greet : to "mf" for his avisynth script concept used in Hight Motion option.

Bye.

Soulhunter

28th August 2003, 23:43

Have Installed the new version... (with vb-runtime)

But still the same error... Damn !!!

I think youre right Dark-Cracker... Maybe Ive to do a complete reinstall of my OS ! But I have still about 30GB Data on my HD, that I have to backup before... :(

[PS: In the Insatller, Ive read AviSynth2.06 ??? ;)]

Bye

Lobuz

29th August 2003, 00:19

Whay I can't turn off all that filter stuff which is put in AVS file? If I have own avs file with resize etc it is processed one more time with default settings. I can only delet it in AVS script. It's a little unhandy.

Regards
Lobuz

ookzDVD

29th August 2003, 10:20

@DC,

the Installer said AVISynth 2.06 not 2.5.2.

superdump

29th August 2003, 10:33

I agree with Lobuz, a filter bypass method would be much appreciated by people who manually script things.

I would like to add that some tooltips saying what each of the options does would be much appreciated. For example for the "Hightmotion" option you could write something like "Detects the amount of motion and adds grain accordingly to give a better looking image" and then point people to the hightmotion.avs. For the medium fluxsmoothing you could put something like "Smooths both the 2D image and along the temporal axis. [FluxSmooth(7,5)]" (if that is the correct setting of course).

The logging is coming along nicely but the "always on top" check box is a bit slow to respond.

Otherwise, keep up the good work! :)

EDIT: I also noticed that Avisynth 2.xx was stated in the installer and not 2.52 but forgot.

Dark-Cracker

29th August 2003, 12:00

hi,

yes i have forget to change the version number in the install nsis script, but it install the right avisynth.dll v2.5.2 :)

@Lobuz
normaly avisynth bypass automaticly resize if resized resolution=input resolution. but i must improve avisynth part for final release (add DGbob ...etc).

@superdump
u must wait the next version for tooltips , actually english language is not my mother language and i have not enought time to add this feature :)

Bye.

superdump

29th August 2003, 12:10

DarkCracker: OK, fair enough. Something appears to be wrong with either joining the main movie and credits and muxing in the audio or it's just deleting the output. I left 1.3b6 doing some futurama episodes overnight and none of the outputs are present.

Aha! I think I've just stumbled across the problem at the bottom of the log...

Join Movie + Credits :

Log File: c:\AutoRV9_Join.log
Input File 1: C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC6\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_Movie.rmvb
Input File 2: C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC6\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_Credit.rmvb
Output File: C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC2\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1.rmvb

Error: Cannot paste files because the video streams in one file do not match the video streams in another file.
***********************************************

Why is this happening? I've noticed that
# AUDIO SOURCE
Audio = WavSource("C:\DVD\Projects\FUTURAMA_SEASON3_DISC1_VTS_01_PGC2\Stream1.wav")
#
# COMBINE VIDEO + AUDIO
Video=AudioDub(Video,Audio)

is in both the credits avs script and the movie avs script. Is this correct? Does it trim the audio according to the frame number you've trimmed to in your avisynth script? If not, I think that could be the problem.

Dark-Cracker

29th August 2003, 13:48

@superdump

could u explain me more what settings u have used for your encode (1 or 2 audio stream, which settings for the audio ? ...etc..)? i will try to reproduce bug.

PS: which OS have u ? there is some problem under win98 and rmeditor.

Bye.

superdump

29th August 2003, 15:14

1 audio stream stereo ac3 at 192kbps.

Azid settings:
dialogue normalisation, LFE to LR -3db, output stereo, normal dynamic compression, normalise to 100%

General audio settings:
channels mode stereo, bitrate 44kbps, boost 2 0.97 LigH, Delay -80ms, force 44100Hz, Gain none.

Then I added the stream.

I'm running XP. Anything other information that might help?

alx

30th August 2003, 05:45

Sorry DC, but i just downloaded the program you made to join .rmvb files with .rm and .srt into a matroska container, followed all the instructions you gave to me, but when i press the RUN button, a message appears saying "Error nº : 91 - Description : Variable objet ou variable bloc with non define"....
I have installed your VB6 runtime pack, and register all the Gabest filters and of course copyed to the system32 dir.
I hope you could gave me some ideas
Really thanks
Ale

BTW, with your program can i join .rmvb files with .mp3 ones?
Thanks a lot

ookzDVD

30th August 2003, 06:37

@DC,

I just try the latest one with Producer M6,
the encoding speed is too slow, do you change any setting
in the .rpad ?
beta5.6 & M5 work faster with the same setting.

or it's the M5 -> M6 problem ?

Big_Berny

30th August 2003, 11:47

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
try to set :

AVISource("F:\temp1\simpsons1.avi",false)

in your "simpsons.avs" file to disable audio, there is sometimes a bug with Avisynth and Import function.

Bye.

There is no audio-stream!

Dark-Cracker

30th August 2003, 12:41

Hi everybody,

i wich u a good day :) i just wake up and i will try to answer your questions :)

@superdum
apparently realnetwork have made some changes on the rmeditor , and there is some problem to join file who have different settings (encoding mode ..etc) a tempory solution is to use the rmto3260.dll from the Milestone 5. i will include it in the next release :)

@alx
if u have this error it's because it doesn't find a dshow filter.
u can download here a pack made by "MWI prod" for my tool.

http://atlas2.tgv.net/~media-video/forum2/download.php?id=103

(but u need also have install the oggDs filter)
hope this will solve your problems.

@ookzDVD
normaly there shouldn't have speed differences, but perhaps in M6 they have made some changes on the EHQ and perhaps this slowdown the encode. i have added a "Speed Test" button at the "output" tab, u enter a % of your movie to encode and it will calculate the avg. FPS and give an estimation for the estimated time to encode the whole movie.

@Big_Berny
i give this tips because once for me, it have save the bug in the import function.

Bye.

Bye.

superdump

30th August 2003, 13:22

OK, thanks DarkCracker. I don't suppose you could post a link to the old version could you?

EDIT: Never mind. I've obtained the dll from elsewhere. :)

karl_lillevold

30th August 2003, 16:12

Originally posted by ookzDVD

or it's the M5 -> M6 problem ?
In fact, M6 is slightly faster than M5, with encodingComplexity=very-high, because I tweaked the EHQ levels. Remember, 'very-high' used to correspond to 85, higher than my recommended 80 level. So now 85 = 80. Also, in M6, the old method*) to set EHQ now again works, without my custom DLL. *):The old method is encoderComplexity=<number> in codecProperties, as well as registry key.

To double-check I ran producer.exe on the command line:

producer -i <testfile.avs> -am music -ad c:\autorv9_movie.rpad -lc e,d

and timed it. testfile.avs is 500 frames 704x304 MPEG-2 source.
M6: 1min 17sec
M5: 1min 24sec

So there is nothing wrong with the speed in M6 by itself. I have not yet tried the latest AutoRV9 with it. In order to help find out what/if there is a problem you can also run producer on the cmd line to try to isolate the problem. Other methods of verification includes the <calcPSNR> parameter (use search) which will include in the rv9log.txt file the actual encoderComplexity level. Thanks.

superdump

30th August 2003, 20:07

Karl: What complexity levels did you use for that little test? Both 80? Or both very-high? What I'm asking is, is the speed difference due to optimisations in the new milestone or because one is using EHQ at level 85 and the other at 80?

Also, I keep seeing bits and pieces which contradict each other, so I'd like to ask straight out. Does RV9 use any filtering whether it's in loop or not? If so what filtering is used?

Sirber

30th August 2003, 22:55

RV9 uses in-loop filtering at encoding time, and no filtering on decoding.

superdump

30th August 2003, 23:04

So what does the in loop filtering do? Smoothing?

deXtoRious

31st August 2003, 22:05

Well, this is actually the first version of AutoRV9 that ran perfectly from the first time I started it! And that small window on the left you've added which displays a mini-log i MOST helpful when doing video tests ;)

alx

1st September 2003, 03:45

DC: Thanks a lot for all your help and your wonderful program!!!
Mmmmmmm, i´ve been thinking......its not possible to do the same thing as with the ending credits, to the starting credits??? The logo of WB, Paramount and the titles of the movie at the beginin??? Just an idea.

karl_lillevold: Thanks to you and all the development team. You are doing a terrific work with rv9.
Maybe you could answer me one question.......the other day i start doing LOTR-The Two Towers with AutoRV9, 2 passes vbr, but after 10 hours, when the analisys ends, and the real code start, 1 or 2 hours from the analysis, i had a problem with the power supply and the machine shutdown, so i lost 12 hours, because Producer does not generate a log file, like "video.stats" in Xvid.......are you planning to make something like this in future releases??? i think it could make things easier to us, not only because of problems like i had, but doing LOTR and "lost" my machine for about 20 hours don´t think it´s a good idea..........usually with Xvid i make 1st. pass one night, and the 2nd. pass in the next night while i´m sleeping.
Or are you planning something new about???

Anyway, keep doing the good work with RV9
Sincerally
A RV9 FAN :)
Alx

PD. My apologies for my horrible english.....my mother tongue is spanish

karl_lillevold

1st September 2003, 23:33

@superdump: the difference in speed is due to the (previous) difference between 80 and 85. In order to get quality 85 with M6, you now have to use 90. However, the improvement in quality from 80 to 90 is not worth the extra time for now.

Yes, RV9 has an adaptive advanced in-loop filter, specifically designed to remove block edges before using the reconstructed frame in the prediction loop. Therefore the encoder and decoder filters have to match 100%, and the filtering strength can not be adjusted on the decoder side. It is not the same filter as in H.264, but the principle is the same in both, if you are looking for technical background on the subject. Specifically, one feature RealNetworks proposed to be included in H.264, was a tiny amount of pre-determined dither across filtered block boundaries, because on large (LCD, plasma, DLP) screens, a difference of just '1' in luminance or chrominance level is visible. However, we did not succeed, and the H.264 in-loop filter does not have this feature.

@alx: thanks! that's a very good suggestion. We have already considered this option, and it may be included in Producer 9.3, but not in 9.2, since it requires quite a few producer changes. One problem is that a current requirement is that the two passes are run with the exact same parameters, including bitrate, resizers, pre-filters. If any of those are accidentally changed, the 2nd pass would be messed up, usually resulting in too small filesize.

alx

2nd September 2003, 03:04

Karl, usually with Xvid i make the 1st pass in the first night and see with a Q=2 maximun filesize........let´s say that it is 750 mb. then i go for a 1CD rip in my 2nd pass.
If in the 1st. pass filesize is (for ex.) 1800mb. obviously i consider a 2CD rip or 3CD rip.
The only thing that i change is the final size for the 2nd. pass..........
Anyway, it was just an idea that normally save to do the 1st pass 2 times.
Thanks a lot for your work and time to answer my "newbies" questions.
Alx

superdump

2nd September 2003, 10:05

Thanks for the reply Karl, interesting stuff. I thought that would be the main reason for the speed difference. :D Nevertheless, as everyone keeps saying, keep up the good work.

ookzDVD

3rd September 2003, 01:54

@karl_lillevold,

Thank you for the test,
I'll try to check on my system.

alx

3rd September 2003, 04:30

Karl, sorry to bother you with another question.........aren´t you planning to add support in the .rmvb container to put more audio streams???. Usually i like to make backup of dvd´s with the original track and the track in my language.
My firsts experiments with matroska wasn´t very good.
Thanks
Alx

karl_lillevold

3rd September 2003, 04:43

@alx: no, I don't think this feature is being planned. it would have worked, since there is support for multiple streams in the RM file format. The problem is that no one has used the feature, because there is no mechanism to switch streams on playback, and there is also no tool to create such a stream. In order to have multiple languages in RM, you currently need to use SMIL and multiple files.

On the topic of Matroska, that has worked well for me, after a few RM bugs were fixed, but I have not yet tried multiple languages, just merging one audio track with a video track and adding subtitles. If you have problems getting it to work, my experience is that the Matroska developers are very eager to fix any problems you have to report, especially if you have an easy repro case.

ookzDVD

4th September 2003, 05:29

@karl_lillevold,

I just replace the rv9_light from the autorv9 (beta 5),
from ML5 to ML6 and I have speed problem, the ML6 is
somehow slower compared with ML5 with the same audience file.
I will provide the log later.
Thank you.

karl_lillevold

4th September 2003, 06:05

@ookzDVD: very strange. Like I wrote, I do not have this problem on my system, and I do not understand what could be wrong. Maybe for some reason you were never actually using EHQ in M5... I will see how reasonable your encoding speed is when you provide the logs. Also remember to include your main system specs. A few things you can look into:

1) check that producer.exe in both cases uses 80-90% of the CPU in task manager. Maybe in one case it runs at IDLE and some other app is using all the CPU cycles.

2) check that you do not have any registry keys to over-ride the encoding complexity. This is in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\RealNetworks\RV9

3) enable calcPSNR with this reg file (http://www.lillevold.com/files/calcPSNR.reg), and check that in both cases (M5 and M6), the rv9log.txt file starts with "cpu_scal: 85". rv9log.txt is appended to, so check the entry that corresponds to your latest main encode. Remember to disable this after testing, by removing the key with regedit. Same location as above.

ookzDVD

5th September 2003, 09:35

@karl_lillevold,

Here is the log file for both ML5 and ML6.

http://www.japati.com/mib_2_LogFile_ml5.txt
http://www.japati.com/mib_2_LogFile_ml6.txt

I hope you could find something from the logs.

PS. I only add registry with EHQ reg patch.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

5th September 2003, 14:55

@ookzDVD

avoid to use registry patch for EHQ level. let autorv9 add it in the audience.

it seems to me M5 doesn't take care for the registry patch while M6 use in priority the registry patch.

i think karl wait the rv9log.txt file not the autorv9 log file :) because in rv9log.txt u can see the encoder complexity.

PS: do u know in beta 6 u have a "speed test" option ?

Bye.

karl_lillevold

5th September 2003, 19:18

@ookzDVD: i think the problem is simply that you did not actually use EHQ with Milestone 5, and the slower speed with Milestone 6 is that you are now (finally) encoding with EHQ. The registry method to enable EHQ never worked with Milestone 5, unless you correctly replaced the encoder DLL, like I described here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196).

This is good news. Sorry it is slower though, but all the CPU cycles are spent wisely to obtain better video quality, I assure you.

olorin

6th September 2003, 10:29

Hi

I really like RV9 and would like to use it. I tried to encode Naked gun 33 1/3 with AutoRV9b6, using lower quality for credits. However, AutoRV9 was not able to join the two files. Neither was I afterwards using AVI/MPEG/RM/WMW joiner 4.48. The two files both play fine in RealOne and MPC (though jerky playback in both). Here is the log file, hopefully the cause of the problem can be found there. Thanks in advance.

http://www.direktdemokrati.net/Nakedgun33_LogFile.txt

olorin

karl_lillevold

6th September 2003, 16:14

@olorin: This is caused by a change in rmeditor in Milestone 6, where it will not merge files with a different maxBitrate. Here is what you need to do to get around that, until AutoRV9 1.3 final comes out.

1) Find a copy of an older AutoRV9, or Producer Milestone 5.
2) find the old rmto3260.dll in producer's tools folder. In AutoRV9 this is in Softs\Rp9_Light\tools
3) Goto the same folder in the new AutoRV9.
4) replace its rmto3260.dll (6.0.11.434) with the old one (in my case v 6.0.11.433)

now you can merge the files you just encoded manually:

5) open cmd line window, cd to AutoRV9\softs\Rp9_Light
6) then type

rmeditor -i <main_file.rmvb> -i <credits_file.rmvb> -o <final.rmvb>

Also, since you just replaced rmto3260.dll, the next time you encode something like this, it will merge just fine.

Sirber

6th September 2003, 17:24

Why can't we do that anymore? Merge 2 files with 2 different maxBitrate?

karl_lillevold

6th September 2003, 18:26

https://helix-dna.helixcommunity.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=288

Dr Satan

6th September 2003, 23:00

I'm getting some strange results from the compresability check. It produces results of 240%+ when it obviously should be producing something sub 100%. Also, when checking the comp check output file, many frames are missing.

I know it only encodes 5% of the film, but at points it only runs at about 3fps, from a 25fps source.

hubereevez

7th September 2003, 19:26

i made a few compcheck......
It seems that they're not very accurate.....
But I don't exactly know....dark?
hubhub

Dark-Cracker

7th September 2003, 23:29

hi,

sorry i have take 2 days of holidays :)

for the compressibility test, in fact rv9 doesn't work exactely like other codecs, in other codec it made a first pass was made at quantizer 2 (=quality 100%) and adjust the bitrate curve to obtain the desired file size.

a basic explication :

HOW A COMPRESSIBILITY TEST WORK :
---------------------------------

the compressibility test work like this : it select 14 frames each 280 frames. to get 5 % of the movie. after u encode it at max quality.
and u analyse the obtained file. u get the size of this compressibility sample by adding each frame size but skipping for each packets (our 14 frames lenght) the first frame and the last frame, because there is an virtual scene change beetween each packets and the codec add a keyframe and a keyframe is much bigger than a normal frame. once u have the size of 5% of the movie u can estimated it for the full movie. and the % of compressibility is the ratio beetween the desired size and the estimated final size.

for example if once u have made the 5% at max quality u get an estimated final size for the movie around 1000 mb and u want to encode the movie at 700 mb u will have a compressibility % = 70 % because : (700/1000) * 100 = 70%

why UNDERSIZED file :
-----------------------

it's used because for exemple if u estimate the first pass at max quality = 1000 mb and u want to encode the movie on 1400 mb u will obtain a final file around 1000 mb because the codec have encode it at MAX quality, and u will have an undersized file.
(in this case the comp % = (1400/1000) * 100 = 140 % ).

why OVERSIZED file :
----------------------

and same thing , if u ask a final size = 300 Mb while the first pass
say u the movie request 1000 mb for a perfect quality, even if the codec try to very very compress it, it will never rush a so little size.

-----------------------------------------------------
this is correct for the divx3,4,5,xvid ... codec but for the rv9 the codec apparently doesn't work like this.
first in rv9 the keyframe are not bigger than a normal frame, skipping frame during compresibility test is useless.
and rv9 can skip frame or smooth them to get close to the desired bitrate.
and at max quality there is not a huge difference beetween the same sample at different resolutions.

to sumup made an accurate compressibility test for rv9 is strong :( and request a lot of tests and i have no time for this, sorry.

and sorry again for my poor english hope u have anderstand my little explinations.

Bye.

karl_lillevold

8th September 2003, 00:19

As you may know, the compressibility number is a measure of your current bits/pixel number (calculated from your target filesize and video resolution), relative to the number of bits/pixel needed for MAX quality. The dilemma with RV9 is that its Quality=100 mode will create a huge file, with much higher fidelity than you can really appreciate. Therefore, if compressibility in RV9 was calculated relative to Quality=100, you would get very very small numbers. So when I assisted D-C with RV9 compressibility, I chose like Quality=83 to be the "max" quality. This seems to provide reasonable compressibility numbers for some test content (40-60%).

So what does it mean when RV9 compressibility is > 100. It simply means that with the target filesize you have chosen for your video, it would be encoded at higher quality than Quality=83. In the case of 240%, you would get extremely high quality, and your target filesize is most likely much too high.

It may be that our "max reference" quality of 83 is too low, so please provide some feedback so D-C can tune this number.

Generally, I don't use compressibility too frequently. I tend to look at which number of bits/pixel my target filesize corresponds to. For RV9-EHQ I try not to go below 0.13 bits/pixel, but I have been told for some content, one can go below this. Any higher than 0.18-0.20, and you would probably be better off encoding at a higher resolution, or lower filesize.

Hope this helps.

Dr Satan

8th September 2003, 23:31

Thanks for the response, however I think I might have phrased the problem wrong...

Y'know how real player drops frames to meet target bitrate, well it's doing this in the compressibility check, therefore giving inaccurate results since it's encoding at what looks like 3fps in parts.

This is what I believe lead to the oversized compressibility. Is there a way to force the producer to compress all frames for the check?

ookzDVD

9th September 2003, 02:39

@karl_lillevold,

You are right,
I just delete the reg key for the EHQ and now ML 6 is working well.

Thank you.

Generally, I don't use compressibility too frequently. I tend to look at which number of bits/pixel my target filesize corresponds to. For RV9-EHQ I try not to go below 0.13 bits/pixel, but I have been told for some content, one can go below this. Any higher than 0.18-0.20, and you would probably be better off encoding at a higher resolution, or lower filesize.

How about the normal mode, not EHQ ? Should be > 0.13 ?

@DC,

Just can't wait to have the final one :)

Dark-Cracker

9th September 2003, 03:05

hi,

i have say it i have do it :)

FINAL VERSION !!!

DOWNLOAD LINK :
----------------
http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=17
(remember u can download the VB runtime needed in the other download setion in my site web : www.dark-angel.does.it)

PS: i have bundle the real audio 5.1 package, and the fixed dll needed for the join :).

Changelog :
-----------

- add DTS audio input
- add a speed test
- improve Hight Motion filtering
- improve finale file size calculation
- improve .smil file
- multilanguage support
- use latest millestone 6
- support anamorphic encode
- work with avisynth v2.5.1
- support .avs input (this mean avi/directshowsource can now open : .rmvb/.mkv/.omg/.avi/.wmv/.mpg/.qt )
- support the "Real Audio 5.1" codec
- support audio 2.0 (stereo) =>5.1 (surround) conversion
- added EHQ mode
- add chapters support for .smil
- add transparent subtitle for .smil
- detect the avisynth error msg
- improve avisynth editor (support credits .avs).
- change latency at 60 sec
- added support for Multichannel (create 6 separate .wav mono file)
- add support for 5.1 input wav file.
- rewritte the rv9 header parser
- improve P4 Hyperthreading support.
- improve the split : more accurate & fix the black screen bug on second part
- fix the problem for the update of avisynth script file
- anamorphic encode support
- support .wav audio input file
- improve smil file for 4/3 movie.
- improve audio part (full azid comfiguration possible,add boost, pre gain .... etc )
- add bicublin resize
- support 1 pass QB 100%
- support 1 pass CBR
- support 1/2 pass VBR
- add a compressibility test.
- improve crop window
- add ratio 1:1 to enter manualy your resize value.

ookzDVD

9th September 2003, 04:03

@DC,

It's fast :)

Btw, the Program title windows still : AutoRV9 Beta 6 :)
it's coming with ML 6 :) not ML 5 is it ??

Dark-Cracker

9th September 2003, 05:52

dohhh i forget to change the title :( i will secretly replace the .exe file :) and yes it come bundle with Millestone 6.

EDIT : i forget to say it come bundle with 8 language file (french, german, turkish, chinese, italian, spanish, japanese, english)

if some people are interested to translated it in other language u are welcome :) .

Bye.

karl_lillevold

9th September 2003, 06:27

Originally posted by Dr Satan
Y'know how real player drops frames to meet target bitrate, well it's doing this in the compressibility check, therefore giving inaccurate results since it's encoding at what looks like 3fps in parts.

This is what I believe lead to the oversized compressibility. Is there a way to force the producer to compress all frames for the check?
As far as I know, that's how the 5% of the movie is supposed to be encoded for the compressibility test. The Avisynth function SelectRangeEvery(Video,280,14) is used (see "filename_CompCheck.avs"), which extraxts 14 frames every 280 frames. If you were to encode all the frames for the test, it would take as long as encoding the complete file.

Actually, while I am running this test right now, I noticed a problem in AutoRV9 1.3b6. Not sure if it has been fixed in 1.3Final. maxBitrate in AutoRV9_CompTest.rpad is set to 999999, which over-rides the vbrQuality=83 parameter. This will limit the quality of the compressibility encode, resulting in too high compressibility numbers, I think. maxBitrate for the comp test should be set to something like 99999999 to avoid it affecting the result.

@ookzDVD: yes, something like 0.18-0.2 bits/pixel was my experience required before EHQ, but your milage may of course vary. Experiments well tell.

@D-C: congratulations on completing version 1.3!

Big_Berny

9th September 2003, 12:27

Hi,
since beta6, I think, I have a problem:
I captured the Simpsons with a resolution of 384x288. Then I crop it:
Up: 10
Down: 6
Left: 10
Right: 6

Now I don't want to resize the movie, so I deactivate it manually by editting the final avs-file. If I use "2dClean" the producer crashes at the beginning. But if I use "Mipsmooth" it works normally.
I also tried to set the resize-resolution to the cropped resolution (368x272), but it crashes too.

Do you understand my problem?
It crashes when "croppedsize=resizesize + 2dclean"

Any solution?
Thx
Big_Berny

Dark-Cracker

9th September 2003, 16:57

hi,

@karl
yes finaly i was motivated :) and i have work all the night to release the final version, i still have some idear to improve it but i will keep them for the next release :)

@Big_Berny
i have tested and i can't reproduce this bug, try with an Millestone 5 if u say this doesn't happen with the previous beta.
another suggestion is to be sure your resolution was a modulo 4 .
and my last suggestion is to be sure u have all the msvcrt7 runtime because generaly some avisynth filters have this for dependency.

PS: does the preview with avisynth in the mediaplayer crash ? or only when the encode start ?

BYe.

karl_lillevold

9th September 2003, 17:49

@Big_Berny: hard to tell where the problem is. After a configuration that as crashed, could you try the following:

open cmd line window
cd to your_autorv9_folder
cd softs\rp9_light
then type:
producer -i <path_to_contents\yourfilename_Movie.avs> -ad c:\autorv9_Movie.rpad -lc e,d -am music -o output.rmvb

what happens? which module crashes? is there anything in producer.log?

Then edit yourfilename_Movie.avs to remove the 2dclean filter.

Try the same procedure again.

In both cases, try to open this avs file in VirtualDub or MPC. Is there a problem there as well? If yes, then it's a 2dclean problem.

olorin

9th September 2003, 18:42

Great prog this AutoRV9! :)

I'm just trying out the new v1.3 and get some strange comp test results. I get like >5000% on every movie. Don't know but maybe it has something to do with the .rpad file?

<avgBitrate type="uint">1</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">16000</maxBitrate>

EDIT: Ok, maybe not...
<encodingType type="string">vbrQuality</encodingType>
<quality type="uint">80</quality>

So you decided to lower it from 83 instead of increasing it :)

olorin

Big_Berny

9th September 2003, 20:01

I can reproduce the error with all my avis!

It's not the producer also the VideoPreview crashes.
If I deactivate 2dClean or Crop, encoding works but not the VideoPreview.
With Milestone 5 I have the same problem.

Clonclusion: I think the problem with the Videopreview is not the same as the encoding problem. And the problem is somewhere in the 2dClean+crop, because with Mipssmooth it works!

Some thing else to test?

jollytim

11th September 2003, 19:31

I was very skeptical of using a different codec, I haven't had much success in the past with anything but DivX (in most flavors). Lately I've been interested in the progress of new codecs and encoding schemes with wavelet and fractal codecs being of paticular interest. Well anyhow I stumbled upon this thread and downloaded the 1.3 version of AutoRV9. Using a fresh vob of StarTrekIV (okay maybe I could have found a video that exercised this codec more) but I recently encoded using Divx5 (Kaukuri beta) and was moderately happy. I tried using AutoRV9 with all the quality features (I don't recall the exact settings though I could post the log if requested) and 40 hours later (it took that long with my P3800) I'm done. I was very disappointed with the extremely long encode time until I looked at the results......WOW. I thought I was looking at DVD. Far better than my beloved Divx. Great job on a quality codec and great job on a quality GUI package. I've used BeSweet almost since it inception and am glad you included it. I shot for a 700MB filesize and that was accomplished. The encode was around 855kB for the video even with 192kB audio. It doesn't matter if I use Divx Player (2.5) or MPC, the results are fantastic.

Big_Berny

11th September 2003, 20:22

Another thing that is strange, is, that when I put the crop-command on the avs-file which I open with AutoRV9 it works!

Dr Satan

12th September 2003, 09:46

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
As far as I know, that's how the 5% of the movie is supposed to be encoded for the compressibility test. The Avisynth function SelectRangeEvery(Video,280,14) is used (see "filename_CompCheck.avs"), which extraxts 14 frames every 280 frames. If you were to encode all the frames for the test, it would take as long as encoding the complete file.
I must have worded what I'm trying to say badly. I know only 5% of the file is to be encoded for a comp check, and I understand how it picks those frames. This is not the problem however.

You know RV9 will drop the frame rate to meet a given bitrate? Well, it's doing this during comp checks. I got a high % after a check so I viewed the file, and in parts it was running as low as 3fps. In parts it was like watching a still image slideshow. The low framerate kicked in after a few scenes of high motion. The framerate was not dropped in this fashon in the final encode.

Now I know frames are dropped during a comp check, but the frame rate is supposed to stay the same as the original right?

In the check I did, because the rv9 codec was dropping some of the frames it was being sent (hence the low framerate) it was in fact encoding less than the requested 5% of the movie.

Sorry for the confusion.

karl_lillevold

12th September 2003, 17:17

i understand what the problem is now. Thanks for clarifying. I am pretty sure it's related to the maxBitrate parameter used in AutoRV9's compression test audience file (c:\AutoRV9_CompTest.rpad). In my test it was 999999, which is too low. olorin says it's as low as 16000. What happens when Producer encodes at fixed quality 83, and it exceeds the maxBitrate, is that it will lower the quality, and eventually also skip frames. Like I wrote, maxBitrate in the CompTest case, needs to be a very very large number, like 99999999. This is a problem that should be corrected in AutoRV9.

@DrS: can you check what the maxBitrate is in your c:\AutoRV9_CompTest.rpad file?

Dark-Cracker

12th September 2003, 18:46

i have made some changes in the compressibility test :) (i have forget to change the 16000 value used during my tests , sorry ... )

i have reupload the archive, and i give u a direct link :

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/autorv9_comptest.zip

(replace the old .exe by this one and say me if all work fine :) ).

PS : does someone know a siteweb where i can send my software submission ? version 1.3 is very stable and i want other people know it and of course use rv9 :)

@all
thank u for your support, this give me my motivation :)

Bye.

bond

12th September 2003, 19:50

first of all i have to say that thanks to d-c's new release (great prog!!!) i tested rv9 again after a long time and i was really impressed!
i will test it a little bit more on full 1cd rips but till now it seems that rv9 is going to be my second favourite video codec (equally to xvid) :)
karl really made a great codec (the only thing we still need is a vcm codec to use it in virtualdub :D )

only one thing which i really dislike is the very strong (too strong) smoothing in high motion scenes leading to ugly results, perhaps there is already a way to avoid this somehow?

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
i have made some changes in the compressibility test :) (i have forget to change the 16000 value used during my tests , sorry ... )i think you use 1 pass for the comptest?
i got a value of 120% with your fixed .exe, but if i make a full 2-pass encode i dont get an undersized file with the same source!? why that?

PS : does someone know a siteweb where i can send my software submission ? version 1.3 is very stable and i want other people know it and of course use rv9 :)point doom9 to your new version, i am sure he will post it on his main page

Dr Satan

13th September 2003, 00:40

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
@DrS: can you check what the maxBitrate is in your c:\AutoRV9_CompTest.rpad file?
It was 999999. Thanks for the response.

Dark-Cracker

13th September 2003, 01:19

@bond
thank u :)
karl is working on 2 pass vbr and i think this smooth effect in hight motion will soon disapear :) :) :)

for the 120% compressibility is because it made the pass at 75 % quality because 100% give really to huge file, and more i think there is always a % error because the compressibility test is only on 5% of the movie. just to know which lenght of the movie, and desired final file size, and resolution ?

i have alreday point it at doom9 but i think he can't post a new each time a people send it a request , and i understand he ignore it :) i have see for divx-digest.com siteweb :) but it the only software siteweb i know, ... autorv9 is perhaps designed to stay "underground" :)

@Dr. Satan
perhaps should u test the new .exe file i have change the compressibility test.

Bye.

olorin

13th September 2003, 11:47

@D-C
Thanks for the new exe! :) The comptest works great now.

@all
I would ask all testers to share your experiences of this new comptest (based on 75% quality now in the latest version). What % have you used with good results and not so good? Myself I have not yet had the time to encode anything with the new exe, but I'll get back.

olorin

bond

13th September 2003, 12:44

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
karl is working on 2 pass vbr and i think this smooth effect in hight motion will soon disapeargoodie :)
nothing against smoothing in high-mo, but now it is far too strong imho

for the 120% compressibility is because it made the pass at 75 % quality because 100% give really to huge file, and more i think there is always a % error because the compressibility test is only on 5% of the movie. just to know which lenght of the movie, and desired final file size, and resolution ?hm, i tested a short clip of a movie (~5min, 640x..., 20mb)
because of that i also used 100% (not 5%) in the comptest too!

Griniaris

14th September 2003, 11:05

Hi there!
I am new to the rv9 world and I tried my first encode using AutoRv9.
I was aiming at 696Mb and got a file of 716Mb. Is there something I could have done wrong?
I only used undot from the filters list and sharpest motion, EHQ very high level, improve high motion scenes options.
BTW is there a recent guide explaining the various options autorv9 is offering somewhere?
Last but not least, I am using MPC with the dll package to playback the real video files. I was wondering if there is a way to somehow include some dll files and filters with the movie to make a standalone cd (no installation but filter and dll registring on the fly) Are really all of the dlls MPC installs necessary just for the playback? If not which are the ones needed?
Thanks!

deXtoRious

14th September 2003, 16:18

You did allright. I don't know why, but I always get a bigger filesize too. You should select 680mb next time.

Dark-Cracker

14th September 2003, 17:33

hi,

the hihg motion scene option noise&sharp hight motion to get more details and more details need more bitrate it's surely for this u have obtain an oversized file. have u made a 2 pass encode ?

i am sorry u have an oversized file :( hope u have endcredits and u can remove them using : rmeditor -i "input.rmvb" -o "output.rmvb" -s 0 -e "xx:xx:xx.xxx"

replace by the end time where u want to split (i think u need remove the 1 or 2 last minute).

for the moment there is no guide i have no time to work on it but perhaps someone will made one :) (normaly a people is working on a german guide and a french guide but i have not receive there files for the moment :) ).

Bye.

PS: i suppose and improve in the 2pass vbr for the rv9 will also improve final file size precision :)

++

Synaps

14th September 2003, 20:46

I hope sagittaire works on french guide :D

Griniaris

14th September 2003, 21:17

Hi and thanks for the replies,
To answer to your questions, yes of course I did a 2 pass encode...
I understand that more bitrate is required for high motion but shouldn't the program take that in account when calculating the bitrate in this mode?
I do not have end credits so I will either do the encode again or try an overburn and hope that 16 more Mbs will fit :D
Any word on the dlls?
Let's say I take the movie to a pc that has not the realone player installed, could I include just a couple of dlls along with the movie and register them or do I need the whole package just for the playback?

jollytim

14th September 2003, 23:17

I don't think you should have a problem overburning. I use RecordNowMax 4.5. I routinely overburn up to 18M (718M) with no problems. Larger files than that I tend to get errors. Good luck.

lilhobo

15th September 2003, 19:45

i just downloaded from the offical site , do i need the modified exe??

is rv9 aimed at the movie archiving community or the streaming community? with the spread of braodband that may be a unnecessary question, but a valid on in my opinion.

At lowe bitrates (56k) how does this compare to the sorenson and such?

also does the rv9 make html codes the way real producer 8.5 used to do for you and uploading facilities?

and what about editing facilities?

Sirber

15th September 2003, 19:48

AutoRV9 is for archiving, not streaming. RV9 was developped for streaming, so you can encode for 56k.

hubereevez

15th September 2003, 22:20

thanks
merci pour ton soft
great soft
:)
hubhub

olorin

17th September 2003, 13:29

I posted http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61567 in the subtitles forum since I thought my problem was caused by vobsub, but I have since started to suspect it is a AutoRV9 problem which is why I also post a note here. The artifact appears *only* with movies encoded using AutoRV9 1.3 final, not with for ex 1.3b6 or xvid. The subs from a movie encoded with 1.3 final also do not produce any artifact when used with a movie encoded by another version or codec. Can someone confirm having the same problem? What does 1.3final do that 1.3b6 does not?

olorin

tiki4

17th September 2003, 16:45

Hi all,

I came to RV9 just this week. So I'm a complete newbie regarding Real Media although I'm playing with XviD and other stuff for quite a while now. Well, I started my exploring with AutoRV9, it seemed to be the obvious thing to start with.

Here's my little question and I was too dumb to find the answer myself. AutoRV9 converts chapters from an input file to the Real Text format (I guess) and includes that in a SMIL file for playback. The only thing is that I can't figure out how to use this chapters in RealOne or MPC. Is this possible at all? Please enlighten me.

Cheers, tiki4.

P.S.: Thanks to all developers for the wonderful tools and the really highest quality codec I've seen so far.

Dark-Cracker

17th September 2003, 22:04

hi,

first for those who are interested u can find the greek and czech language file in my site web :)

@synaps
yes normaly sagitaire is working on a french guide :)

@Griniaris
for the dll i am working on a light package (less than 1.5 Mb) only for read rv9 and to add in on the CD :) i am actually working on the registry key necessary.

@lilhobo
i think your question inot directely in relation with autorv9 (who is designed for backup your dvd).

@hubereevez
thank u / merci :)

@olorin
does your resolution of your movie was a modulo 16 ?

@tiki4

u need to click on the video picture and the chapter list will appear in overlay in your movie. for realone plyaer u just need to click on the video screen for MPC u need to activate interaction :

view=>options=>RM/QT=>select "Allow interaction with video"

Bye.

tiki4

18th September 2003, 09:08

Thanks DC, I'm such a dumb ass. And I was looking and looking for any menu options.

tiki4

superdump

18th September 2003, 14:22

Originally posted by Griniaris
Any word on the dlls?
Let's say I take the movie to a pc that has not the realone player installed, could I include just a couple of dlls along with the movie and register them or do I need the whole package just for the playback?

I would also like to know this. If it is possible to only include a few dlls and register them then this would be preferable.

olorin

18th September 2003, 17:22

@ D-C

In fact, every movie I had encoded with 1.3b6 had a horizontal resolution dividable by 16, and all movies encoded with 1.3final had a res not dividable by 16. So, this is what caused the green bar?

Dark-Cracker

18th September 2003, 22:31

@superdump
in fact there apparently there is a few .dll needed (at last 1.4 Mb) but i must completly test the registry key needed. i will add this pack soon :)

@olorin
yes there is some problems when the movie resolution was not dividable by 16 and some this add a green bar, try to replace the ...\softs\avsfile\VSFilter.dll by a new file i think this will probabely solve the problem , else u need to ask at gabest to fix this bug in his filter.

Bye.

superdump

19th September 2003, 00:12

DA: Thanks. :)

Dark-Cracker

22nd September 2003, 22:49

hi,

just a little post :) to post u the url to read a french guide on autorv9 v1.3 :)

http://www.hauhazice.com/index.php?id=rub&rep=30&q=97

if u have some problem with the cookies go on www.hauhazice.com and select "video" this will normaly solve the problem.

Bye.

alx

23rd September 2003, 07:52

DC : I want to ask you for one thing when you release your dll pack to watch RV9 files.
Probably you will make an installer which copy all dll´s to windows directory and register them.
Could you please add to this installer the VSFilter.dll (vobsubfilter 20030829)
and the realmedia_Direct Show_Splitter_20030904 from Gabest???
I ask that because usually i watch the movies with spanish subtitles, my mother tongue.
Anyway, really thanks for your time and effort.
Alx

superdump

23rd September 2003, 08:03

No offence alx, but the reason the pack was requested was to make it smaller and so through including vobsub the package will be inflated unnecessarily for many users. If you learn how to make NSIS scripts (it's not too difficult I promise :)) then you could make your own installer with those two extra filters in. After all, the two filters you mentioned are only just less than 1 Mb themselves!!

alx

23rd September 2003, 18:43

No offence tanken at all, really.
The vobsub filter and the DS filter, compressed in a cab file are 339k more. Don´t think it is too much.
Alx

alx

27th September 2003, 08:58

DC, any news about your real pack?
Thanks
Alx

olorin

30th September 2003, 15:02

I have a problem with joining the movie and the credits. AutoRV9 1.3final don't do it. Then when I do rmeditor -i movie -i credit -o out I get
Error: Cannot paste files because the video streams in one file do not match the video streams in another file.

What am I doing wrong?

Dark-Cracker

30th September 2003, 18:33

hi,

@olorin
be sure u use the milestone file bundle in the autorv9 v1.3 package, because i have added a dll (rmto32.dll it seems to me) who avoid such problem in joinning credits+movie.

@alx
the pack is on the way i just must find time to made a working NSIS installer and test it :)

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alx

1st October 2003, 06:19

Thanks for your reply DC.
Alx

hoola

10th October 2003, 03:49

hi all. i kept running across this thread about autorv9 and how rv9 is so good at low low bitrates and such. i never once even thought about giving it a shot just to see. i always said yeah right rv sucks and then hit the back button. well.....take into mind i was/am? an long time divx user. for a few years actually. i thought i would give it a shot. all i can say is WOW. i was flabbergasted on how low i could really push it. i OWN the dvd chicago that i backed up using divx 5.1 2cd rip. cant remember bitrate or anything off hand but the encode is very very nice as one would expect a 2 cd divx rip to be. near dvd quality for sure. well i ran chicago through autorv9 gave my settings for 1 cd rip no extra filters or such just to see what i would get. full res! well hours and hours later and after finding a player that will play rm without having to install realone or whatever. i loaded up the file 697mb and WOW. i was really shocked. the quality was very nice. not at all what i expected. the file was archive worthy forsure. i tend to just be a little hard on my own encodes. i watch for articfats and such. hehe stuff most people would not notice in a million years. anywho. i cant say enough what it has done for my toon encoding. i cap alot of spongebob squarepants for the nephews and i usually get one ep down to around 90mb for a 512x384 capture the quality if very good. well, i got the same episode down to 32mb with autorv9 light filtering same res and the quality is **should i say it** better than my divx conversion. it may take a few weeks or so to make the switch over to rv9 for good. i think im still in denial. lol i just never thought of real media for archiving. dunno why really. i guess i was just so used to using the same codec. i felt confortable with and knew i could make a good encode with. im not saying rv9 is better than divx but i am saying if i can get the same quality i have been getting and using only half the amount of space. ill take it. i cant wait to play with E.H.Q to see what it has to offer.

ill stop rambling now and just say thanks for a wonderful prog.extreamly user friendly or i would not have gave it a try. ill leave now. :) :) **walks away while still trippin out on how low the bits can be pushed with rv9**

Atamido

10th October 2003, 04:39

If you just install the RealOne player, you don't have to use it. Just install it, then get the Real Directshow filter. Transmux the RV9 file to MKV, and you can have all sorts of goodies with it. With the Real DirectShow filter, and the ability to use it in MKV, Real Video 9 has become a very flexible and competetive format.

cjaar

13th October 2003, 12:49

@hoola,

just want to now how long did it take to encode the full move in rm???
i did just test with a small clip, it was good, i tried on full movie,(without filters, machine 2.4G, 512 DDR)
after 9hrs it was still in first pass :(, i am using DC tool for this.
I am not able to play the audio in this fmate... the player wmp6 gives err unknow formate and the latest mcp say version mismacth, something like that ..... and hv insatlled real-anternative104.exe...

Generally i use divx with ffdshow filter and the burn the cd, if people use rm what filter they add to play the file on the cd, so that if i give it to my friends they can play without any extra sw. any info will be helpfull

thanks
cjaar

hoola

13th October 2003, 14:28

@cjaar

hey. if i can remember it took around 13-15 hours to encode.keep in mind that was full res. i have the latest real-alternative 1.09 from betanews and the .rmvb file plays perfect in windows classic. i used autorv9 xp 1.3(awsome prog,,,props to the author) for the encoding. the film is 1hour 53min long and looks great on 1 700mb cdr. im sure if i would have used filters nnd ehq the encoding time would have dramaticly increased. i only use filters for tv caps anyways.when backing up the dvds i own i hardly ever use any filters. what i did was put the realalt109.exe which includs mpc file on the cd with the movie what way if someone wants to borrow and watch they can just install it befor watching movie.i know some people dont like installing other software just to watch a file. BUT...after all the backup was made for me. so if they want to borrow and watch it they will have to use what i know works for me. im not too techno inclined so i like bundles like realalt109 that comes with everything i need.

not that i know for sure but 1.09 shoud fix your problem with sound. good bug fixes between 1.04 and 1.09. im sorry im not more help but im no expert by no means. sometimes i tend to use what works and not whats,according to the masses, right.

hoola

17th October 2003, 17:00

hi i hope someone can answer this. i have a dvd on my harddrive. it is in vob files 1-7 i can load the move into autorv9 with the d2v file. is there a way to load just one of the vob files? if there is what would the avs look like. im sorry if this has already been answered. i have read and used search. maybe i just over looked it.

EDIT:: never mind i think i found my answer in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44625&highlight=autorv9+vob i would still like examples on how others do this. thanks ill try this later tonight. peace and thanks again for the awsome prog.

Dark-Cracker

17th October 2003, 22:28

if u only use one .vob file, simply load dvd2avi v1.76 select the desired .vob file (it will automaticly ask u for adding other .vob simply remove them) and create this sample .d2v file :)

else create a .avs file and use the .trim(startframe,endframe) to select hte desired part to encode.

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snowcrash

17th October 2003, 23:18

Dark-Cracker,

Thank you for the fantastic program. I'm encoding anime with AutoRV9 and I'm very happy with the results I'm getting. And it's so easy to use. I especially like how one can easily tweak the colors and instantly see the changes (increasing color saturation is a great way to make animes look better, IMO). Your program is so well done... for example, when one goes to crop a video, the video preview window is not covered up by any other windows like in GK. You do it right. Thanks again for all your work.

bilu

17th October 2003, 23:23

Let me sign your comment too.

D-C, you deserve to hear this more often ;)

Cheers,
Bilu

hoola

18th October 2003, 00:05

else create a .avs file and use the .trim(startframe,endframe) to select hte desired part to encode.
@Dark-Cracker
thank you very much for your reply. im still new to avisynth so i read up a little more on .trim and that is what i needed. thank you again so much for replying.
sometimes it seems there is so much to learn it tends to get overwhelming and one over looks those things.

thanks again!! :)

bilu

18th October 2003, 15:57

@Dark-Cracker

Some questions:

1) Packet size is still 15000, shouldn't it be 16000?
I'm using AutoRV9 1.3 + last update EXE on this thread (for compressibility)

2) I've seen many values for quality (been learning from the threads on the last 4 days, was complete n00b on RV9) - 80,83,87, and now 75.

Why quality 75%? Is it enough as a first pass for you? And how much compressibility would you recommend? 60% to 75% like in MPEG-4?

Maybe tests should be made over complex scenes using vbrquality and the least post-processing possible to get a reference value. It's hard to say on RV9 because it allways looks good, we'll have to find some pretty hard scenes to do it :)

3) About PatternAdaptivity and ScalingFactor, do you plan to add them to your tool?

Thanks for the effort and quality of your tools :)

Bilu

Dark-Cracker

18th October 2003, 17:15

hi,

@all
thank u very much for your nice answers, i am always happy when i see my work can help other people :)

@bilu
1) in fact under my old win98 i have see sometimes the packetsize was not always enable when i have set it at 16000 and in the spec the value 15000 is write as maximum so i have prefer to set it at 15000 because even if 16000 work beetween two millestone this value could be down at 15000. no very important because it's the max size packet, it's rarely rushed.

2) quality 75% seems to give aproximatively same size than quant 2 for mpeg4 codec. so this value have been used for the compressibility test. the compressibility test was still experimental for rv9 there will not have a lot of feedback with this option , in my tests, u can obtain a % lower around 55% give u good result, and with rv9 the % doesn't change a lot even if u change resolution.

yes tests are welcome but i am back to school and it will be hard to find time for this :).

3)PatternAdaptivity param seems to change the bitrate redistribution so changing it manualy could be dangerous, scalingfactor will probabely be added in next release :)

i will see later with karl if these params really can improve quality and which settings to use :).

Bye.

alx

22nd October 2003, 07:03

Hi DC, this time is to ask one simle question.......something that happens only to me until now.
With your last version (1.3), i tried to do a movie wich is in the directory "g:\MATRIX RELOADED DISC 1\New Folder" and AutoRV9 when i tried to start the preview or the codec, says "avserror in line 9, cannot proccess g:\MATRIX RELOADED DISC 1\New Folder\Folder\1_Movie.avs" or something like that......
Please NOTICE the second "Folder" after de "New Folder\"......is repeated, so, of course, mpegsource never could find de .d2v.
Is just me???
Alx

bilu

22nd October 2003, 18:23

Are there any differences between Avisynth techniques to improve compressibility in MPEG-4 and RV9?

@alx
can you try again but renaming the "New Folder" to something else but also with more than one word and with spaces?

Bilu

Kb_cruncher

2nd November 2003, 03:22

bilu - I normally use c3d and undot with mpeg4 but decided to try rv9 without any filters.Compressabilty came out the same and there was no difference in quality when comparing the same encode with those filters, so i would say you could proberbly get away without any filters and keep sharpness.I did notice though that there is no speed improvement between using filters and not using filters.

wata

4th November 2003, 06:40

is it possible to select voice mode for audio cause my souce is mono (but not in mono format but in stereo with sound on 1 channel only)

Dark-Cracker

4th November 2003, 08:58

hi,

no sorry for the moment it's not possible to use voice codec for the audio stream.

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superdump

4th November 2003, 16:43

DC: Any news on the rv9 codec pack?

Griniaris

5th November 2003, 00:10

I have solved my problem with the needed dlls and I am finally able to create RV9 standalone cds!
It was really simple actually and I meant to let you know for quite some time but I forgot it...
I place 4 files on the cd along with the movie and use a startup program to load the movie. The files are: Mplayerc.exe (Media Player Classic for the playback of course) pncrt.dll, cook3260.dll, drv43260.dll (for RV9 video and 5.1 cook audio).
If you need to playback different video or audio just replace theese dlls with the needed ones and it works like a charm!

Thanks for this great program! I love it!

Dark-Cracker

5th November 2003, 10:20

hi,

@superdump
in fact a few week ago i was crashing my HD i have lost 30 gb (my sources for autodub, autorv9, property shit and analyser, landub, avisynth editor, besweet lite gui ...) i have also lost my report for my training period needed for my studies, and also the rv9 pack (finished 1 hour before the crash :( ).

i have succeded to rescue , an old version of autodub (v1.7.5) and a previous beta of autorv9 (v1.3 beta 5.6). i am actually updating them, but for the codec pack i will made it later, not enought time to made all.

@griniaris
hum i think u need a lot of other dll, in the registry the path of the common, codec, and bandwith is stored, so i think your dll in your cd simply call the other dll needed for the playback.

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Griniaris

6th November 2003, 13:45

But I tried deleting all other dlls and registry keys and the file is still playable!
This works only with MPC and not all other players...
Perhaps you are right and there is something more that I am missing but try it and you will see.
Can anyone else please also confirm?

Ramirez

6th November 2003, 21:31

Your little trick works like a charm, I've Uninstalled RealOne, then cleaned "Program files\Common\Real" folder, rebooted and then burned RV9 movie on a CD along with "atrc3260.dll" "cook3260" "drv43260.dll" "pncrt.dll" Total: 1.46MB. This trick probably works because MPC has built-in Real Media splitter\ A/V decoder.

Griniaris

6th November 2003, 23:01

That's why I told you it only works with MPC...
I have done the same thing and also deleted all registry keys about Real dlls and it works ok for me too.
The nice thing with MPC's internal filters is that you can even use Matroska as a container for the rmvb file (I use it to also include chapters in the files) and it is still playable without any other filters.
Thanks for the testing, I am glad it worked for you too!

Sirber

8th November 2003, 21:44

I've got a strange bug while loading a D2V:

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/ARV9_E1.PNG

Dark-Cracker

9th November 2003, 15:51

@sirber

u need to re-install avisynth v2.5.2 from the official package (www.avisynth.org) apparently sometime the avisynth installation bundle with my package failed.

Bye.

Lobuz

9th November 2003, 16:09

It could be really nice if MPC could use decoder files embeded in MKV file. Of course it could work only on Windows. But there could be embeded decoder for other platfor too. ;-) Or would it be possible to mkv splitter to use those embeded decoders?

Regards
Lobuz

ps. wasn't there a project to embede multiplatform codecs with special api?

Sirber

9th November 2003, 17:06

ok

it was AVISynth problem. Got it reinstalled and works #1 now :)

snowcrash

15th December 2003, 10:50

Is anyone familiar with the AutoRV9 options for audio boost? The default settings are:

Boost Factor: 4
Limit Factor: 0.85
DRC Algorithm: DspGuru

I can't find any documentation on these settings. In fact I can't find any decent documentation for AutoRV9 at all. There are a couple guides at the website, one for 1.1 in English that is not very good and another for 1.3 in French. The French guide looks like it covers all the options in AutoRV9, but unfortunately I don't understand French.

I wish someone would write a good guide for AutoRV9 in English that explains all the options.

tiki4

29th January 2004, 18:27

Hi there,

any chance to see AutoRV10 :p ? I guess, it's time to get Sirber a little bit of competition before he gets bored...

Na, seriously, what are you working on, Dark-Cracker?

Cheers,

tiki4

Dark-Cracker

29th January 2004, 21:01

@tiki

héhé don't be affraid autorv9 (with rv10 support of course :) ) is on the way :) and there will be some nice features added :)

surely something like :

- dvd ripping
- d2v analyse (detect interlace/ivtc)
- better chapters support
- big increase in the subtitle part

and of course some clean/bug fix

stay tuned :)

Bye.

tiki4

30th January 2004, 09:11

Ha, that's more than good news. I really like your proggie as it has some really unique features for RV9 encoding...

Keep up the good work, I'll stay tuned.

tiki4

hoola

30th January 2004, 17:45

héhé don't be affraid autorv9 (with rv10 support of course ) is on the way and there will be some nice features added

YES YES YES. I have long awaited news of an autorv9 update. Good to hear this news Dark-Cracker. Your work is greatly appreciated.

HOOLA.

3rd February 2004, 23:03

Hi.

I hope this hasn't been mentioned before.

I have a recuring problem with loading multiple jobs and then starting the encode. (Win 2k and XP, Rmvb, no audio, no subs, d2v source, producer 8 with patch, avsynth 2.5.4)

What happens is all jobs use the avs of the first job.

I thought I'd mention this as I here mention of a new version.

5th February 2004, 11:17

Can some on point me to a good reasorce. Or pass their wisdom on to me regarding when to use the DCT, Undot and Croma Noise Reduction Filters.

Also for non amime encodes dose any one use the fluxsmooth and convolution3d filters?

Cheers

#2

Dark-Cracker

5th February 2004, 11:42

hi,

@ #2
plz could u explain me exactely how to reproduce the bug with the multi jobs ? if i could reproduce it , i could solve it :)

for the filter :

DTC is not often usefull, use chroma noise reducer if u reencode some video capture, undot can be used for each encode.

fluxsmooth/convolution can be used for noisy DVD or u can use a light preset if u want to increase compressibility for long movie.

BYe.

5th February 2004, 21:01

Wow that was a wonderfully consice expalantion of those filters. What about the sharp filters any particular situation when they are really usefull. I notice they seem to increase bightness and produce a green hue shift? Also is there any disadvantage to using the undot filter?

Re. the specific senario with batch encodes, I'll get to work on that tonight. Can you let me know any particular information that you would find most usefull in my description?

Ta
#2

Soulhunter

5th February 2004, 23:42

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
DTC is not often usefull...
Ever wondered if its really usefull... :D

Did someone already tested this ???

Bye

Dark-Cracker

6th February 2004, 19:20

@soulhunter
DTC is used to remove some hight frequency not "really" visible for human eyes in order to improve compressibility.
the main problem it's trbarry have add a limitation (only resolution mod 16 are accepted) and it have no time to change it.

@ #2
yes i have made a quick description because i have no time (and not the full vocabulary) to explain exactely the effects of these filters but i think a quick search on this forum will answer at your questions :)
for undot there is no negative effects :)
for sharp filter this mean more details and more details mean less compressibility => increase final size.

u can see pictures of the effects here :
http://www.hauhazice.com/images/autorv9_12.jpg
http://www.hauhazice.com/images/autorv9_13.jpg

to help me to find the bugs give me all the informations needed to reproduce it. (for exemple : i onpen the .d2v , i select the filter xxx and xxx i let the default output name and i click on save. i reopen an another .d2v file ...etc) i just need to know step by step what u do in order i can do the same on my computer to destroy this bug :) .

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snowcrash

6th February 2004, 22:54

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
@tiki

héhé don't be affraid autorv9 (with rv10 support of course :) ) is on the way :) and there will be some nice features added :)

surely something like :

- dvd ripping
- d2v analyse (detect interlace/ivtc)
- better chapters support
- big increase in the subtitle part

and of course some clean/bug fix

stay tuned :)

Bye.

It's great to hear that you will be updating AutoRV9. Do you have a time frame on this? I'd like to suggest that you add the option to encode first and second pass as seperate jobs, as discussed here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64163

Also, do you think you could add support for the Dropdupe filter?

Thank you very much!

Dark-Cracker

6th February 2004, 23:54

hi,

yes separate pass will be added and dup + dropdupe is on the way :)

wait the next release :)

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8th February 2004, 08:16

Well this is all very interesting.

In Win 2K sp4 with Autorv9, producer m7, avsynth 253
4 encodes spanning 2 partions on different physical HDs

Logs:

Video Input File Path : D:\DVDRips\a\a.d2v
Output File Path : D:\DVDRips\a\a.rmvb
Tempory Directory : D:\DVDRips\a

Video Stream Log :

,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/08 12:47:47,0,"E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -i D:\DVDRips\a\a_Movie_2.avs -o D:\DVDRips\a\a.rmvb -ad c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad -am music -vm normal -rs 672x408 -lc e,d" command line being run

Video Avisynth Script :

# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2DEC3.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\TOMSMOCOMP.DLL")
# File needed to Improve Hight Motion Scene
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\BLOCKBUSTER.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MASKTOOLS.DLL")
Import("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\DATA\HIGHTMOTION.AVS")
#
# VIDEO SOURCE
Video=Mpeg2Source("D:\DVDRips\a\a.d2v")
#
# DEINTERLACING (default value : 1,5,0)
Video=TomsMoComp(Video,1,15,1)
#
# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,2,74,718,430)
#
# RESIZING
# AnaMorphic Resize (Do not Edit These Values)
# Real Resize Values : Width X Height ( 720 X 296 )
Video=LanczosResize(Video,496,296)
#
# Keep more details on Hight Scene Motion
Video=HightMotion(Video)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
Video=Limiter(Video)
#
# FINISH
Return(Video)

----------------------------------------------

Video Input File Path : D:\DVDRips\ab\ab.d2v
Output File Path : D:\DVDRips\ab\ab.rmvb
Tempory Directory : D:\DVDRips\ab

Video Stream Log :

,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/08 12:48:15,0,"E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -i D:\DVDRips\ab\ab_Movie_2.avs -o D:\DVDRips\ab\ab.rmvb -ad c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad -am music -vm normal -rs 672x408 -lc e,d" command line being run

Video Avisynth Script :

# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2DEC3.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\TOMSMOCOMP.DLL")
# File needed to Improve Hight Motion Scene
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\BLOCKBUSTER.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MASKTOOLS.DLL")
Import("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\DATA\HIGHTMOTION.AVS")
#
# VIDEO SOURCE
Video=Mpeg2Source("D:\DVDRips\ab\ab.d2v")
#
# DEINTERLACING (default value : 1,5,0)
Video=TomsMoComp(Video,1,15,1)
#
# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,2,74,718,430)
#
# RESIZING
# AnaMorphic Resize (Do not Edit These Values)
# Real Resize Values : Width X Height ( 704 X 288 )
Video=LanczosResize(Video,472,288)
#
# Keep more details on Hight Scene Motion
Video=HightMotion(Video)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
Video=Limiter(Video)
#
# FINISH
Return(Video)

----------------------------------------

Video Input File Path : I:\abc\abc.d2v
Output File Path : I:\abc\abc.rmvb

Video Stream Log :

,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/08 12:48:35,0,"E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -i I:\abc\abc_Movie.avs -o I:\abc\abc.rmvb -ad c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad -am music -vm normal -rs 672x408 -lc e,d" command line being run

Video Avisynth Script :

# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2DEC3.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\TOMSMOCOMP.DLL")
# File needed to Improve Hight Motion Scene
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\BLOCKBUSTER.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MASKTOOLS.DLL")
Import("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\DATA\HIGHTMOTION.AVS")
#
# VIDEO SOURCE
Video=Mpeg2Source("I:\abc\abc.d2v")
#
# DEINTERLACING (default value : 1,5,0)
Video=TomsMoComp(Video,1,15,1)
#
# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,18,66,692,460)
#
# RESIZING
# AnaMorphic Resize (Do not Edit These Values)
# Real Resize Values : Width X Height ( 688 X 312 )
Video=LanczosResize(Video,468,312)
#
# Keep more details on Hight Scene Motion
Video=HightMotion(Video)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
Video=Limiter(Video)
#
# FINISH
Return(Video)

-----------------------------------------

Video Input File Path : I:\abcd\abcd.d2v
Output File Path : I:\abcd\abcd.rmvb
Tempory Directory : I:\abcd

Video Stream Log :

,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/08 12:48:46,0,"E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -i I:\abcd\abcd_Movie.avs -o I:\abcd\abcd.rmvb -ad c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad -am music -vm normal -rs 672x408 -lc e,d" command line being run

Video Avisynth Script :

# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2DEC3.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\TOMSMOCOMP.DLL")
# File needed to Improve Hight Motion Scene
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\BLOCKBUSTER.DLL")
LoadPlugin("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MASKTOOLS.DLL")
Import("E:\PROGRA~1\Autorv9\SOFTS\DATA\HIGHTMOTION.AVS")
#
# VIDEO SOURCE
Video=Mpeg2Source("I:\abcd\abcd.d2v")
#
# DEINTERLACING (default value : 1,5,0)
Video=TomsMoComp(Video,1,15,1)
#
# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,18,66,692,460)
#
# RESIZING
# AnaMorphic Resize (Do not Edit These Values)
# Real Resize Values : Width X Height ( 672 X 408 )
Video=LanczosResize(Video,596,408)
#
# Keep more details on Hight Scene Motion
Video=HightMotion(Video)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
Video=Limiter(Video)
#
# FINISH
Return(Video)

-------------------------------------

Properties of each file reported by mpc 6474; Video size: 672 x 408

Possible mpc bug.

NOTE: Previously with different test files the -i on the command line = the first avs for all preceeding batchs and sometimes the -o = the file name of first in the batch run even though the file would end up in the .rmvb would end up named correctly. Neither of these happened this time.

IN XP sp1 with autorv9, producer m8, with EHQ notation patch, avsynth 254
4 encodes on one partition.

Again non of the symptoms noted above but ended up with the first encode being the resolution asked for and the last 3 all having the resolution of the last one.

I really don't know what to make of this. Both mpc and the real shell extention reported this messed up resolution. What all so happend on one of the XP tests (I ran a few identical to see if the results were consistant) was that the third and forth encodes had the same res height but different res width even though they were different resize settings.

May be this is something to do with the anamorphic resize and or the lanscoz resizer that I have been usesing. Or may be it's my system have a look at (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=70137) some other weird stuff thats been happening on this pc with Auto rv9 and co.

Hope this helps.

Take care

Dark-Cracker

8th February 2004, 16:10

hi,

hum apparently it's a bug in the anamorphic resize , it forget to refresh anamorphic resize if u do more than 1 job.

it always use : -rs 672x408 instead of 720 X 296 for your 3th job for exemple.

i will check this and fix this error :)

have u use keep cropped resolution ?

PS : i think u can edit your post to just leave command line and .avs file.

EDIT : Bug fixed :) thank u for the bug report .

Bye.

8th February 2004, 22:18

Nice work DC :)

In case you still need to know I didn't use "keep cropped resoultion"

Glad to be of assistance.

Very much looking forward to your next release. ;)

#2

Dark-Cracker

19th February 2004, 07:06

Hi,

AutoRV10 v1.0 Beta 1 is out :) !
just a quick update to add support of rv10 and elysian feature :)

read more about elysian project here :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71022

Changelog :
-----------
- Fast first pass if u use EHQ
- Added EHQ profil for 75 / 85 / 100
- replace ATRC audio codec by AAC and HE-AAC
- Add support for new RateControl
- Now use .RPJF file instead of .RPAD file
- Possibility to edit .RPJF file
- improve compressibility test
- improve autocrop
- bugfix and clean of the code

URL :
-----
http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b1.zip

Enjoy !

Bye.

tiki4

19th February 2004, 09:07

Ha, AutoRV10, I knew it!

Thanks, DC, keep up the great work!

tiki4

hoola

19th February 2004, 13:58

Yayy.. It feels like X-mas time with all these new RV goodies and tools comming out. Thanks for this beta Dark-Cracker. I really enjoy your work and look foward to future tools. Dling now!! :)

Loyal RVx fan.

olorin

20th February 2004, 11:34

Great Dark-Cracker!!! A new version of my favo software :) Thank u for your time and effort!!!

Also a big thank you to Karl for his continuous work in making my favo codec better and better!!! :)

olorin

Dark-Cracker

21st February 2004, 03:33

hi,

a quick update to fix some silly bugs :
(replace old .exe with this from the archive file)

http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b1.1.zip

Bye.

Jerry_Sm@rt

21st February 2004, 08:01

Great job!
I've been waiting for a long time!

olorin

21st February 2004, 12:09

During the first pass producer says "Encoding: " in the cmd line window, with AutoRV9 it always said "Analysis: " or something during first pass. Why is this?

Dark-Cracker

21st February 2004, 18:08

@olorin
in fact now autorv10 encode each pass separately in order to save the .pass file and to use it later. so now during the 2 pass , producer print "Encoding".

Bye.

olorin

21st February 2004, 19:19

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
@olorin
in fact now autorv10 encode each pass separately in order to save the .pass file and to use it later. so now during the 2 pass , producer print "Encoding".

Does that mean Autorv10 does not use the "fast first pass" with EHQ 50? It seems like the two passes take equally long time here.

olorin

karl_lillevold

21st February 2004, 19:41

I made sure that when rcPassNumber is set to 1, complexity is set to 50. However, if then later in the audience this is reset with encoderComplexity, it is changed:

<rcPassNumber type="uint">1</rcPassNumber>
<encoderComplexity type="uint">85</encoderComplexity>

results in first pass at 85. This is probably what happened.

<encoderComplexity type="uint">85</encoderComplexity>
<rcPassNumber type="uint">1</rcPassNumber>

results in first pass at 50.

However, I am not sure the processing order of options is always the same. You can always check rv9log.txt to see which complexity was used.

I think I would suggest that for the first pass separate encoding, if possible, D-C should perhaps remove encoderComplexity from the audience.

hellfred

21st February 2004, 20:47

Hi D-C
Your porgram AutoRV10 v1.0b1 makes enconding to RV10 with the new rate control really easy. I like AutoRV10. One suggestion. Karl once noted that it is possible to suppress the output of an actual video in the first pass by adding a .null to the filename. See below. It would be nict to add this to AutoRV10, too.

How to avoid a large file output for 1st pass separate encoding
Tip: when running the first pass as a separate encoding, Producer does not know about this feature yet, and thinks that it is encoding normally. It will therefore output a large file corresponding to the reference encoding. To avoid this, call the output filename something that ends with .null, for instance filename.rmvb.null Then there will be no file output.

I hope you did not already add this to b1.1 and my note is meaningless.
Hellfred

Dark-Cracker

21st February 2004, 21:08

hi,

first pass is encoded at EHQ 50, second pass at the selected EHQ value. i have check the rv9log.txt file and all seems correct.

yep i must use the .null trick :) added in next release :)

Bye.

MictXP

21st February 2004, 22:15

For some reason, the credits and movie are not joined. The log file says:

The Logfile contains an unsupported codec. This file can not be edited.

Dark-Cracker

22nd February 2004, 00:04

hi,

yes for the moment rmeditor cannot merge credits / movie if u use aac for audio but the dll needed to solve this problem will be released in few days by realnetwork so for the moment we need wait.

++

damrod

22nd February 2004, 00:37

and if you use matroska container?

karl_lillevold

22nd February 2004, 00:52

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
yes for the moment rmeditor cannot merge credits / movie if u use aac for audio but the dll needed to solve this problem will be released in few days by realnetwork so for the moment we need wait.

And you need not wait long. Here it is:
https://helixcommunity.org/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30
Get the "rmeditor update for raac and racp", replace rmto3260.dll in the tools folder with this update. Merging raac and racp, when the two files have different bitrate settings, now works.

olorin

22nd February 2004, 21:01

Hi,

I got a much larger movie file than expected. I use autorv10 just as i used autorv9, 2pass. Chose 750Mb output file and got 1596Mb. What's wrong?

olorin

Dark-Cracker

22nd February 2004, 21:36

hi,

could u attanch the xxx_logfile.log file ? it contain the audience file used and other stuff.

Bye.

buzzqw

23rd February 2004, 08:32

Thanks DC !!!
Great Update !!
i encoded "Boondock Saints" (first film found :) ) and got exactly 699mb (and a over 1GB i think first pass rmvb...)
Truly great result, but in first place i cannot hear audio.
Searching on forum i found the Matroska pack and AAC audio decoder...
Please write somewhere that is needed aac audio decoder

BHH

olorin

23rd February 2004, 17:58

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

could u attanch the xxx_logfile.log file ? it contain the audience file used and other stuff.

Here it is. (The files couldn't be joined due to shortage of space. I had enough though to store a 1.5Gb file. Removed the credits audience)

Start loging !

Video Stream Log :

,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/21 11:50:05,0,"C:\files\video\REALVI~1\AUTORV~1.0_B\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -j c:\AutoRV9_Credit.rpjf -daw -lc e,d" command line being run
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:05,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:05,8051,Input Filename: C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps_Credit.avs
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:05,8052,File Size: 0KB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:05,8053,Total Duration: 02:55.480
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:05,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:06,8081, Dimensions: 704 x 376
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:06,8082, Frame Rate: 25.000 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:06,8083, Format: YV12
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:06,8084, Duration: 02:55.480
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:50:06,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 11:50:06,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 11:50:06,0,Using AutoRV9 Audience File Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 11:50:06,0,Using video codec: rv10 (598000 bps)
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/02/21 11:50:06,20049,Setting video packet size to 15000
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/21 11:59:44,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/21 11:59:44,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/21 11:59:49,0,"C:\files\video\REALVI~1\AUTORV~1.0_B\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -j c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpjf -daw -lc e,d" command line being run
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8051,Input Filename: C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps_Movie.avs
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8052,File Size: 0KB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8053,Total Duration: 01:23:57.600
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8081, Dimensions: 704 x 376
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8082, Frame Rate: 25.000 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8083, Format: YV12
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8084, Duration: 01:23:57.600
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 11:59:50,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 11:59:50,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 11:59:50,0,Using AutoRV9 Audience File Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 11:59:50,0,Using video codec: rv10 (1196000 bps)
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/02/21 11:59:50,20049,Setting video packet size to 15000
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/21 20:15:51,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/21 20:15:51,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/21 20:16:01,0,"C:\files\video\REALVI~1\AUTORV~1.0_B\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -j c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpjf -daw -lc e,d" command line being run
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8051,Input Filename: C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps_Movie.avs
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8052,File Size: 0KB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8053,Total Duration: 01:23:57.600
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8081, Dimensions: 704 x 376
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8082, Frame Rate: 25.000 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8083, Format: YV12
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8084, Duration: 01:23:57.600
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/21 20:16:02,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 20:16:02,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 20:16:02,0,Using AutoRV9 Audience File Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/21 20:16:02,0,Using video codec: rv10 (1196000 bps)
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/02/21 20:16:04,20049,Setting video packet size to 15000
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/22 03:51:34,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/22 03:51:34,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.

Video Avisynth Script :

Movie Audience File .rpjf :

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<job xmlns="http://ns.real.com/tools/job.2.0" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
<enableTwoPass type="bool">false</enableTwoPass>
<clipInfo>
<entry>
<name>Created with</name>
<value type="string">AutoRV9 (www.video-tools.com)</value>
</entry>
</clipInfo>
<input xsi:type="avFileInput">
<filename type="string">C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps_Movie.avs</filename>
</input>
<parOutputs>
<output>
<destinations>
<destination xsi:type="fileDestination">
<filename type="string">C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps_Movie.rmvb</filename>
</destination>
</destinations>
<mediaProfile>
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
<disableAudio type="bool">false</disableAudio>
<disableVideo type="bool">false</disableVideo>
<videoMode type="string">normal</videoMode>
<audienceRefs>
<audienceRef>AutoRV9 Audience File</audienceRef>
</audienceRefs>
</mediaProfile>
</output>
</parOutputs>
<audiences>
<audience>
<avgBitrate type="uint">1196000</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">5980000</maxBitrate>
<name type="string">AutoRV9 Audience File</name>
<streams>
<stream xsi:type="videoStream">
<pluginName type="string">rn-videocodec-realvideo</pluginName>
<codecName type="string">rv10</codecName>
<codecProperties type="bag">
<encoderComplexity type="uint">85</encoderComplexity>
<noisyEdgeFilter type="bool">false</noisyEdgeFilter>
<calcPSNR type="bool">true</calcPSNR>
<maxConsecutiveBFrames type="uint">3</maxConsecutiveBFrames>
<rcEnableCurveCompression type="bool">true</rcEnableCurveCompression>
<rcAnalysisFileName type="string">C:\realvideo.pass</rcAnalysisFileName>
<rcTargetVideoSize type="uint">768000</rcTargetVideoSize>
<rcPassNumber type="uint">2</rcPassNumber>
<inloopCutOffQuant type="uint">12</inloopCutOffQuant>
<inloopCutOffCompatible type="bool">false</inloopCutOffCompatible>
<inloopCutOffBUseRefQuant type="bool">false</inloopCutOffBUseRefQuant>
<customPacketSize type="uint">16000</customPacketSize>
</codecProperties>
<encodingType type="string">vbrBitrate</encodingType>
<quality type="uint">1</quality>
<maxStartupLatency type="double">60</maxStartupLatency>
<maxFrameRate type="double">25</maxFrameRate>
<maxKeyFrameInterval type="double">10</maxKeyFrameInterval>
<enableLossProtection type="bool">false</enableLossProtection>
</stream>
<stream xsi:type="audioStream">
<pluginName type="string">rn-audiocodec-realaudio</pluginName>
<codecName type="string">cook</codecName>
<codecFlavor type="uint">23</codecFlavor>
<streamContext type="bag">
<presentationType type="string">audio-video</presentationType>
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
</streamContext>
</stream>
</streams>
</audience>
</audiences>
</job>

Join Movie + Credits :

Log File: c:\AutoRV9_Join.log
Input File 1: C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps_Movie.rmvb
Input File 2: C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps_Credit.rmvb
Output File: C:\files\film\Kopps\kopps.rmvb

Error: The file could not be processed.
Please verify that there is adequate space on the
destination drive and in your system's temporary directory.
***********************************************

karl_lillevold

23rd February 2004, 18:03

olorin: it sounds like what you got is the first pass reference file. This is usually a very large file. Perhaps then you ran out of space for the 2nd pass, and lost the 2nd pass file, which was the right size. D-C plans to fix this in the next update, by adding .null to the output filename for the 1st pass. This will tell Producer not to output a file.

hoola

24th February 2004, 18:52

Hi. I may be doing something wrong. But when I encode a clip and choose EHQ= 65 none. It seems to encode at 85 very high. I have looked at several encodes and it did the same thing. I check the logs and it shows them being encoded at EHQ 85 very high instead of the chosen 65-none. I wouldnt have caught it but I noticed it was taking longer than usual to encode. Is this a bug or an I doing somethign wrong? I'm using autorv10 with the updated exe.

I just did a small test file and I can duplicate the problem everytime. here is test_logfile.log
____________________________________________________________________
Start loging !

Video Stream Log :

,Diagnostic,Command Line,2004/02/24 12:54:52,0,"C:\DOCUME~1\jamie\MYDOCU~1\cidial\autorv10\Softs\RP9_LI~1\producer.exe -j c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpjf -daw -lc e,d" command line being run
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8051,Input Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\jamie\Desktop\test_Movie.avs
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8052,File Size: 0KB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8053,Total Duration: 11.712
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8081, Dimensions: 400 x 480
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8082, Frame Rate: 29.970 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8083, Format: YV12
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8084, Duration: 11.712
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8060,Audio Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8061, Channels: Stereo
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8062, Bit Depth: 16
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8063, SampleRate: 44100 Hz
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8065, Duration: 11.712
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/02/24 12:54:53,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/24 12:54:53,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/24 12:54:53,0,Using AutoRV9 Audience File Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/24 12:54:53,0,Using video codec: rv10 (654900 bps)
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/02/24 12:54:53,0,Using audio codec: cook (44100 bps)
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/02/24 12:54:53,20049,Setting video packet size to 15000
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/24 12:56:03,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/02/24 12:56:03,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.

Video Avisynth Script :

Movie Audience File .rpjf :

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<job xmlns="http://ns.real.com/tools/job.2.0" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
<enableTwoPass type="bool">false</enableTwoPass>
<clipInfo>
<entry>
<name>Created with</name>
<value type="string">AutoRV9 (www.video-tools.com)</value>
</entry>
</clipInfo>
<input xsi:type="avFileInput">
<filename type="string">C:\Documents and Settings\jamie\Desktop\test_Movie.avs</filename>
</input>
<parOutputs>
<output>
<destinations>
<destination xsi:type="fileDestination">
<filename type="string">C:\Documents and Settings\jamie\Desktop\test.rmvb</filename>
</destination>
</destinations>
<mediaProfile>
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
<disableAudio type="bool">false</disableAudio>
<disableVideo type="bool">false</disableVideo>
<videoMode type="string">sharp</videoMode>
<audienceRefs>
<audienceRef>AutoRV9 Audience File</audienceRef>
</audienceRefs>
</mediaProfile>
</output>
</parOutputs>
<audiences>
<audience>
<avgBitrate type="uint">699000</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">3495000</maxBitrate>
<name type="string">AutoRV9 Audience File</name>
<streams>
<stream xsi:type="videoStream">
<pluginName type="string">rn-videocodec-realvideo</pluginName>
<codecName type="string">rv10</codecName>
<codecProperties type="bag">
<noisyEdgeFilter type="bool">false</noisyEdgeFilter>
<calcPSNR type="bool">true</calcPSNR>
<maxConsecutiveBFrames type="uint">3</maxConsecutiveBFrames>
<inloopCutOffQuant type="uint">12</inloopCutOffQuant>
<inloopCutOffCompatible type="bool">false</inloopCutOffCompatible>
<inloopCutOffBUseRefQuant type="bool">false</inloopCutOffBUseRefQuant>
<customPacketSize type="uint">16000</customPacketSize>
</codecProperties>
<encodingType type="string">vbrBitrate</encodingType>
<quality type="uint">1</quality>
<maxStartupLatency type="double">60</maxStartupLatency>
<maxFrameRate type="double">30</maxFrameRate>
<maxKeyFrameInterval type="double">10</maxKeyFrameInterval>
<enableLossProtection type="bool">false</enableLossProtection>
</stream>
<stream xsi:type="audioStream">
<pluginName type="string">rn-audiocodec-realaudio</pluginName>
<codecName type="string">cook</codecName>
<codecFlavor type="uint">23</codecFlavor>
<streamContext type="bag">
<presentationType type="string">audio-video</presentationType>
<audioMode type="string">music</audioMode>
</streamContext>
</stream>
</streams>
</audience>
</audiences>
</job>

____________________________________________________________________

Here is my rv9log.txt file. I wont post the whole thing but you will get the point.
=======================================================
mes: 64
frd: 1
rda: 0
rdai: 1
hfe: 1
cpu_scal: 85
met: F
TR Q am PSNR Bits MiPSNR AvPSNR AvBits Fr.type
=======================================================
33 10 12016 43.52 110392 43.52 43.52 110392 Key 85
100 10 788 42.93 34880 42.93 43.23 72636 85
67 16 40 41.70 3992 41.70 42.72 49754 d 85
167 9 616 43.41 39736 41.70 42.89 47250 85
133 16 92 41.87 3704 41.70 42.69 38540 d 85
234 9 620 43.43 37808 41.70 42.81 38418 85
200 16 56 42.04 3912 41.70 42.70 33489 d 85
300 9 452 43.53 36040 41.70 42.80 33808 85
267 16 32 41.97 4240 41.70 42.71 30522 d 85
367 9 2956 43.21 70120 41.70 42.76 34482 85
334 15 180 41.35 8808 41.35 42.63 32148 d 85

thanks for your replys in advance.

Dark-Cracker

25th February 2004, 21:00

hi,

a little update :

Changelog :
-----------
- add KFboost , and hight/Low % (NEED LATEST ELYSIAN DLL)
- improved joblist
- fixed Audience editor
- no more huge file during first pass
- improved anamorphic resize
- update EHQ value (50 for endcredits , 65 as default)

URL :
-----
http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b2.zip

Enjoy !

++

hoola

25th February 2004, 23:19

@Dark-Cracker
Thanks for the quick bug fixes. I really like autorv and appreciate the work you put into it!

:D :D :D THANK YOU :D :D :D

hoola

26th February 2004, 03:30

I can't get autorv10 to encode a 2 pass VBR. It goes to start the producer but does not encode 1st or second pass. one pass cbr/vbr and C quality seem to work fine.

karl_lillevold

26th February 2004, 03:35

hoola: Did you replace erv4.dll in softs/rp9_light/codecs with the one in rv10_elysian_022404.zip ? This is needed for the latest AutoRV10_v1.0b2. Otherwise you might get failures like you mention.

hoola

26th February 2004, 04:28

You were right. I didn't put it in when I rebuilt my folder on this machine. Everything works now.

Thanks!

snowcrash

7th March 2004, 03:01

Originally posted by MictXP
For some reason, the credits and movie are not joined. The log file says: The Logfile contains an unsupported codec. This file can not be edited.

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

yes for the moment rmeditor cannot merge credits / movie if u use aac for audio but the dll needed to solve this problem will be released in few days by realnetwork so for the moment we need wait.

++

Well, I encoded a movie a couple weeks ago using AutoRV10 beta1 and the movie and credits did not get joined. I did not use AAC audio, just regular real audio. Both videos play fine but when I try to join them with rmeditor, I get this:

Error: The input file contains an unsupported codec.
This file can not be edited.

Is there any way I can join these? I really don't want to reencode the whole thing. Thanks.

snowcrash

7th March 2004, 03:10

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
And you need not wait long. Here it is:
https://helixcommunity.org/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30
Get the "rmeditor update for raac and racp", replace rmto3260.dll in the tools folder with this update. Merging raac and racp, when the two files have different bitrate settings, now works.

I wanted to try this new version of rmeditor but I can't find it. It's not on the page you linked to.

karl_lillevold

7th March 2004, 03:34

Sorry, I thought I had fixed all the links, after the download location changed. Try here instead:
https://helixcommunity.org/beula/download/

snowcrash

7th March 2004, 14:36

Cool, the new rmeditor DLL fixed my problem. Thanks.

iradic

10th March 2004, 19:33

hi just dloaded autorv10 with update... had some problems with ocx but i dloaded them and now works fine...

some question about updates from helix com:
do i need to replace all dll in codec dir and apply reg file to work with new features... also there is aac and aacplus update - what about those...
and of course rmediator update (read before in thred about need to update)...

thanks for help...

karl_lillevold

10th March 2004, 19:51

Hi iradic, I also saw your other thread...
AutoRV10 includes everything you need, except you should replace the RealVideo 10 encoder DLL erv4.dll with the latest from the helix community, as well as the rmeditor DLL rmto3260.dll to fix the merging AAC files problem. I don't foresee any large changes now, so I am looking forward to a new AutoRV10 update with everything included.

AutoRV10 uses the new rate control by default, even though it has no setting for it. After you have started a new encoding, check the AutoRV10 generated job file, and you will see it has inserted all the necessary audience settings. No registry entries are needed.

iradic

12th March 2004, 01:45

hi, did some tests and results are pretty good...

but i have strange bug in autorv10 ... sometimes (not always) when exiting program it crashes and i get error msg (kernel32.dll) and i need to restart comp (error msg box -> close -> new error msg box - this is irritating) ... everything else works fine (encoding process)...
another thing is - exiting program (windows closing animation) is really ugly (maybe is related to error)...
when istalling autorv i dloaded some missing ocx files... maybe this is the problem... dont know...

i was looking autorv job file and in enable two pass value is false ... (i presume this is ok 'cause encoder did two passes)...

hellfred

12th March 2004, 12:30

Originally posted by iradic

i was looking autorv job file and in enable two pass value is false ... (i presume this is ok 'cause encoder did two passes)...
Yes, that is true. AutoRV will edit the jobfile between the two passes, changing
<rcPassNumber type="uint">1</rcPassNumber>
to
<rcPassNumber type="uint">1</rcPassNumber>
for the second pass!
But luckily it does not change e.g. the audio stream settings, so that you can Add a job, tune the used audio codec and flavoure (e.g. racp 0) by hand editing the jobfile and then start encoding by pressing the button. For some reason editing the jobfile form within AutoRV10 will not change the jobfile.

Hellfred

DanielSun

14th March 2004, 14:46

Sorry to say that ,but i had peoblems in downloading AutoRV10.
Does anyone have a mirror?

Regards
Danielsun

karl_lillevold

21st March 2004, 17:44

I had to install AutoRV10 on a clean system last night, and thought it would be useful to summarize everything that was needed, because it is quite a long list...

1) Find AutoRV10. First I followed 1st post advice "(www.dark-angel.does.it (go in the download section)". However, it has no AutoRV10. Only 9... But I was really not looking too well, because further down in the same post are the actual downloads.

2) Download and unzip AutoRV10_v1.0_b1.zip (http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b1.zip)

3) Download and unzip AutoRV10_v1.0_b2.zip (http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b2.zip). Just the updated .exe

3) Goto Helix Binary Downloads (https://helixcommunity.org/beula/download/)
Download and replace latest RV10 'Elysian' erv4.dll.
Download and replace rnaudiocodec.dll
Download and replace rmeditor rmto3260.dll

4) Start AutoRV10. Find that a few VB6 DLLs are missing. Find and install: comctl32.ocx, mscomct2.ocx, mscomctl.ocx, tabctl32.ocx

5) Download and install DVD2AVI 1.76

6) Download and install Avisynth 2.54

7) Finally ready to encode!

8) To play back resulting encode, go back to Helix Binary Downloads and get RealPlayer 10 HE-AAC (racp) fix.

Hmm, I think that was about it. When AutoRV10 Final is ready, it will include all the latest DLLs as well as VB6 DLLs I think. And RealPlayer 10 Final will of course include the HE-AAC fix. This will simplify the process.

tiki4

21st March 2004, 19:19

Hi Karl,

I think you forgot one little thing: one may replace also the Real Video codec of Real Player 10 with the one from the Elysian package in order to get the HFE enabled version. Also I'd recommend getting the fixed DVD2AVI from Donald Graft's site (neuron2.net) and replace the mpeg2dec3.dll with the fixed one by Donald (no more lost frames). And also I think easiest method to get all the VB6 files is just to install AutoRV9 in parallel. They don't hurt each other and the installer registers all those files you mentioned.

Thanks for your continuing support.

Cheers,

tiki4

karl_lillevold

21st March 2004, 22:56

tiki4: Thanks, I left out the HFE decoder (to simplify a little :p), but it is recommended, you are right. I did not know about those DVD2AVI and mpeg2dec3 fixes, so I tried to get them but it seems Donald Graft has had his neuron2.net account suspended...

Dark-Cracker

23rd March 2004, 09:10

hi,

thank u karl for this summarize of all step needed to use the autorv10 beta :)

autorv10 was not in the download section on www.video-tools.com because it was still in beta version (but u can find it in the beta section in the forum of my siteweb but u must first register on the forum). for the vb6 runtime u can find a pack with all .ocx file needed in the "other" download section.

i will try to post a new version this weekend with a lot of improvement and all the dll needed.

Ps: i will also update all the avisynth filers.

++

uaco72

23rd March 2004, 11:39

Originally posted by tiki4
Hi Karl,

I think you forgot one little thing: one may replace also the Real Video codec of Real Player 10 with the one from the Elysian package in order to get the HFE enabled version...

Where can I find HFE Elysian package??
thanks

karl_lillevold

23rd March 2004, 17:49

The RealVideo sticky points to the RV10 Elysian thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71022).

superdump

24th March 2004, 20:27

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
tiki4: Thanks, I left out the HFE decoder (to simplify a little :p), but it is recommended, you are right. I did not know about those DVD2AVI and mpeg2dec3 fixes, so I tried to get them but it seems Donald Graft has had his neuron2.net account suspended...

You can get them from the download section of doom9.org :)

Big_Berny

1st April 2004, 12:15

Hi,
yesterday I tested the beta2 and began to encode a movie (PeterPan 73minutes) with the setting of the rv10-thread. After 14 hours it had only made the first pass and 10 minutes of the second pass!
So I think that it would be very practicle if we could do the two passes separetley! Then I could let it work only during the nights!

Greets
Big_Berny

Sirber

1st April 2004, 13:10

* why not setting producer to IDLE so it doesn't botter other process during the day?

* why not upgrading your hardware so you could encode in 4h? :D

Dark-Cracker

1st April 2004, 14:48

@big_berny

hi,

yes i am working on the possibility to resume the second pass :) don't be afraid it's not a complicated feature to add :)
wait the next release (i hope i will find time to add it in next release, else it's on my wishlist :) ).

Stay tuned :)

Ps : which cpu and frequency do u have ?

++

Big_Berny

1st April 2004, 17:31

I have a AMD Thunderbird C 1.2GHz

iradic

2nd April 2004, 14:13

hi...

is it possible to have mono sound?
(maybe someone can explain how to edit job file...)

thanks

Sirber

12th April 2004, 14:12

,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/04/11 23:24:46,0,Using video codec: rv10 (3254000 bps)
,Error,Video Codec,2004/04/11 23:24:46,0,Failed to Set Property: Key rcHighBitrateReduce Value 0
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/04/11 23:24:46,20049,Setting video packet size to 0
,Error,Video Codec,2004/04/11 23:24:46,0,Failed to initialize video codec 04VR
,Error,SDK Encoding,2004/04/11 23:24:46,15001,Job failed to start encoding
,Error,Command Line,2004/04/11 23:24:46,10536,Encoding failed!

getting those errors for the main movie :(

[edit]

After moving the incorrect flag, I get this:

C:\Documents and Settings\sirber>"C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\producer.exe" -j E:\Films\God\1_Movie.rpjf -lc "w,i,e,d"
Diagnostic: "C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV10\Softs\Rp9_Light\pr
oducer.exe -j E:\Films\God\1_Movie.rpjf -lc w,i,e,d" command line being run
Helix DNA(TM) Producer 10.0 Preview Build number: 10.0.0.74
Initializing Errors: 0 Warnings: 0

***************************************************
2004/04/12 09:13:33
Exception code: C0000005
Fault address: 600C443A 01:0006343A C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\Aut
oRV10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll

Call stack:
Address Frame Logical addr Module
600C443A 0012FD54 0001:0006343A C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll
600BBF37 0012FD70 0001:0005AF37 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll
600BA0D7 0012FD98 0001:000590D7 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll
600B9F7E 0012FDC4 0001:00058F7E C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll
6007DC10 0012FE98 0001:0001CC10 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll
60080F51 0012FED0 0001:0001FF51 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll
600834E8 0012FEF4 0001:000224E8 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\tools\encsession.dll
0040A8D4 0012FF34 0001:000098D4 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\producer.exe
00402482 0012FF4C 0001:00001482 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\producer.exe
0041CCA7 0012FFC0 0001:0001BCA7 C:\Documents and Settings\sirber\Bureau\AutoRV
10\Softs\Rp9_Light\producer.exe
77E614C7 0012FFF0 0001:000204C7 C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll
***************************************************

:(

Dark-Cracker

12th April 2004, 20:23

hi,

generaly when u have the error : "Failed to Set Property: Key rcHighBitrateReduce Value 0 " it's because u have the wrong erv4.dll file , are u sure u have updated it ? i think yes because u know how to use rv10 :)

i have found this on google but apparently the url have changed on the helix bug report list.

http://lists.helixcommunity.org/pipermail/helix-producer-issues/2003-December/001941.html

sorry i have no idear why u have this crash.

++

Sirber

12th April 2004, 22:20

hum. I thought the betas had the lastest DLL. My mistake. I edited the jobfile and it works now. About the crash, I removed the separate credits and now it encode perfectly. I had the same crash with my own soft (SDK-based). A bug report will be submited as soon as I can log into HC :) Thanks for your time :D

Sirber

13th April 2004, 12:07

Bug about FPS:

RealVideo Rate Control 2nd pass log:
Framerate: 30000/1000 = 30.000000 fps
Total number of frames: 252444
Target filesize: -415236096 bytes
Container format overhead: 0.000000 %
Num Type Quant Size Scaled Target Actual Error OFlow

My source is 23.976. Producer has to be upadted to the lastest version in order to fix this bug.

karl_lillevold

13th April 2004, 15:35

AutoRV10 does not use framerate, so it's okay to have a Producer that does not have the framerate bugfix. However, there appears to be a problem with the filesize as well.
1) It looks like an 4GB overflow problem in the filesize calculation somewhere, either in AutoRV10, the audience XML reader, or the codec's rate control itself.
2) Even if 1) had worked, the resulting file would not have been playable, since the RM fileformat has a 4 GB filesize limitation.

Are there any filesize limitations with Matroska?

EDIT: also, it turns out rmeditor has a 2GB filesize limit, since it's based on an older codebase than Producer and RealPlayer.

iradic

14th April 2004, 08:58

hi...

is this a bug - when under subtitles you press "advanced" (but you didnt opened srt file) autorv10 crashes...

also if i use audio within video.avs i suppose producer will recognize audio, but what about video bitrate settings in autorv... i guess they are not reduced to store audio and hit target size?

thanks

Dark-Cracker

14th April 2004, 13:15

hi,

thanks for the bug report :) i will fix this problem in the subtitle panel.

for the audio in .avs file for the moment , u need to select the audio file in the audio tab, i am working on an autodetection if the .avs file have or not an audio stream.
wait next release for this :)

++

Dark-Cracker

20th April 2004, 04:53

hi,

i am not sure if it's a good idear to release this version because i still add a lot of features, and i have made a quick build just to ensure that autorv10 was not dead :)

i have clean / re-write a part of the code , and i have only few free time (i am still a student :) ) so there is some feature temporaly removed/disable in this alpha version but all will be fine in the next stable version :)

Changelog :
-----------
- added graphical menu.
- add the possibility to encode in Quality mode.
- add support for the prefilter DUP / Blackfilter.
- add a complete RV10 new rate functions.
- improve accurate final size in 2 pass mode.
- add an autocal. function for the inloop quantizer
- add an autocal. function for the hight/low %
- add support for unicode in the path and tag name.
- added some restrictions on the illegal character in path.
- fix the different bugs reported.

to do list :
------------
- finish to build/improve the graphical menu.
- finish to add the copy from DVD to HD function.
- finish to add the subtitle panel.

URL :
-----
file size : 3.4 MB
http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b3_alpha.zip

Warning !!! it's an alpha version some DEBUG msgbox appear beetween each pass so don't use this version for a full encode !!! .

PS : any feedback on the autocalculation are welcome, think to post value, and feelings if u have a problems with the final result.

Bye.

karl_lillevold

21st April 2004, 00:22

Great new appearance! and the Advanced settings for the Codec look very promising. Presets to auto-scale the curve for RC, and automatic calculation of inloopCutoffQuant, both from the .pass file! I am happy to see contributions to the new rate control settings that improve RealVideo quality further, that was part of the reason so many parameters were made available to adjust, as well as using the same .pass file format as XviD.

iradic

21st April 2004, 15:56

got this error after finished 2-pas encoding (before re-opens autorv window)

Error d'execution 76.
Chemin d'access introuvable.

file plays fine...

Dark-Cracker

21st April 2004, 16:18

at the end of the second pass it display avg PSNR by reading the rv9log.txt file perhaps autorv10 doesn't have found this file in your folder. normaly your encoding .rmvb file should be in the directory.

i will add a check if the rv9log.txt file exist before trying to open it this bug should be fixed in the next version.

thanks for the bug report :)

Bye.

iradic

21st April 2004, 19:14

i think you should first check does PSNR values exist :) - i disabled calculating psnr (set it to false in audience file)...

also i was using "light" preset and target size of 10 mb - resulting file is 5,7 mb - is this normal?

another thing is that autorv10 window size is not full (exit btn is a little bit out of window) and i cant resize window to get exit button showed at its whole size... although it seems you r working on it (resize arrows are there)...

Dark-Cracker

21st April 2004, 19:37

hi,

yes i will fix the bug to check if the file exist before trying to open it i have use this msgbox to debug and have some value to made some tweak on the settings. i will release a new version soon without the undersize problem. for the moment disable the autocalc high/Low % to avoid problems.

for the button it's normal i still not have fully finish the graphical settings in my tool :)

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

22nd April 2004, 03:53

hi,

a quick build with the fix of all the bugs reported.
i have also improved the autocalculation of high / Low % .

url :
-----
http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b3_alphafix.zip

enjoy !

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

22nd April 2004, 18:30

hi,

i have made some quick tests with the latest alpha fix version.

here are my result on the *experimental* function (autocalc high and low %).

i have only tested on 2 sort sample (15 Mb and 30 Mb for the output size). of course rate control on short sample are not revelant but i have no time to made long tests, so if u want to made more tests feel free :) i will try to made some SSIMQ tests if i found time.

* Sample 1 : Low motion

Preset name | High % | Low % | PNSR
-------------------------------------
Default | 0 | 0 | 39.07
Light | 44 | 39 | 39.07
Medium | 36 | 39 | 39.17
Strong | 34 | 29 | 39.04

* Sample 2 : High Motion

Preset name | High % | Low % | PNSR
-------------------------------------
Default | 0 | 0 | 43.92
Light | 56 | 41 | 44.07
Medium | 55 | 41 | 44.08
Strong | 51 | 41 | 44.34

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

22nd April 2004, 22:53

hi,

i have reuploaded the update .zip file, i have improve the autocal high and low %. i have remove the msgbox now the pnsr, used inloop cuttoff quant and high low % used are now stored in the file temp_PSNR_Log.txt,temp_PSNR_Log_1.txt,...,temp_PSNR_Log_5.txt

if u have some strange result (undersized or oversized finalfile).
think to post if u have used presets and post the temp_PSNR_log file.

url :
-----
see the previous post.

Bye.

iradic

23rd April 2004, 01:08

hi

noticed this:
1) set all settings
2) add job -> edit avs -> bicubicresize....
3) cancel
4) change bicubic under video to lanczos
5) add job -> edit avs -> bicubicresize ?!

i didnt wanted to edit script so i deleted that script (not exiting autorv) -> add job -> autorv crashes...
autorv should collect settings from program when add job is pressed, not read avs

also whats the real use of "limiter" filter - compressibility or correcting output ?

Dark-Cracker

23rd April 2004, 02:10

hi,

i am rewritting the function who generate files (.avs for exemple) so for the moment if u try to change a filter after a preview (who generate the file) all other modification (for exemple changing resize filter) will no be taken. wait the next release the time i rewritte the functions.

here is the description of the limiter function :

-----
The standard known as CCIR-601 defines the range of pixel values considered legal for presenting on a TV. These ranges are 16-235 for the luma component and 16-240 for the chroma component.

Pixels outside this range are known to cause problems with some TV sets, and thus it is best to remove them before encoding if that is your intended display device. By default this filter clips (or "clamps") pixels under 16 to 16 and over 235 (or 240) to 235 (or 240).
-----

Bye.

DanielSun

25th April 2004, 13:38

@Dark-Cracker

Would you please add a function that allows users to fill in the desired video bitrate as long as the desired file size please?

I've been waiting for that for a long time.

Greetings.
DanielSun.

Dark-Cracker

25th April 2004, 15:27

hi,

yes i will try to add this feature (if i find a free space in my video panel :) ) but i still have others options to add before so plz wait :) and stay tuned :)

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

30th April 2004, 21:20

hi,

a quick build :)

- fix a possible problem of overflow in autocal for high/Low % on some extralong movie.
- improve the .pass parser (avoid to wait beetween each pass).
- improve the high/low caculation and improve the high preset.

url :
-----
http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b3_alphafix.zip

if u are interested here are some quick tests on the presets :

PRESET / PSNR

- default 41.52
- low 41.72
- medium 41.69
- high 41.65

Bye.

nah

3rd May 2004, 16:10

Hello,

Just test the alphafix but on a PC without sound card. So it doesn't work. How could I desactivate this check ?
the b2 works without sound card.

AutoRV10 will become my favorite GUI (before I used X2Real).

Dark-Cracker

5th May 2004, 10:31

hi,

in fact i have add a check on the soundcard because producer use directsoundoutput to encode the audio stream, and if u don't have a sound card it will show u an error.
perhaps this problem with producer have been fixed ?
i will made u a new version with just a warning msgbox and u will have the possibility to use autorv10.

PS : test with the .exe in the beta3 (not the alpha fix who have this limitation). and try to encode a sample with video+audio and if u can made an encode i will remove this limitation.

PS : if u have an error think to paste the producer.log file (it's copied in the xxx_LogFile.txt file).

++

meditate2

6th May 2004, 09:21

hello dark-cracker,

first thanks for that AWESOME tool ! Its just great !!! My #1.

second: if i compare encoding speed with (pretty much) all filters on,
rv10 is sooooo much faster than rv9. (even more than 30% as karl said)
so are all the filters really included in the encoding process in this alpha ?

greetings,
meditate

Dark-Cracker

6th May 2004, 09:36

hi,

i am updating the avisynth filter part (ready in next release i think).

in the new filters in the next version the filters used will be :

- remove of dtc/cnr2/nipsmooth/teamporalcleaner

- add of : dup/bifrost/ivtc2/alignfield/smartDecimate

and the possibility to made a dynamic cleaning (depend of the motion of the film) using fluxsmooth and convolution3D.

i will try to release a new version this week.

i have soon finish the dvdripping panel (using DVDdecrypter+DVD2AVI), and i work actually on the subtitle panel :)

stay tuned :)

Bye.

ookzDVD

7th May 2004, 02:43

@DC,

Thank you for your time :)
Btw, is that possible to disable the EHQ mode ?
(I prefer to do simple encode, no EHQ).

Thank you.

tiki4

7th May 2004, 08:39

Some minor suggestions on the Avisynth part:

1. It would be nice to replace the old DVD2AVI/MPEG2dec3 combo with DVD2AVI Donald Graft version.

2. Decomb / VSFilter update.

3. BeSweet / BeSweet.dll could be updated to current builds.

Also I'd have a suggestion about the audio transcoding part:

When transcoding 2x AC3 to 5.1 Cook (or DTS + AC3 to 5.1 Cook), all temporal WAV files do not get deleted. This eats up a lot of hard disk space. I think the files are no longer needed when the final .rm file has been encoded, so they could get deleted to make room for the next audio files and then for the video part.

Nevertheless, I like the new version and I'm really looking forward for integrated OCR (?).

tiki4

victorhooi

7th May 2004, 09:05

Any chance of allowing us to specify lower bitrates and mono sound?

I've found that I tend to notice lower quality sound a lot less than video (although I might be a bit biased, seeing as I'm slightly hard-of-hearing =) ). With AutoRV9/10, I basically ripped and encoded the sound separately (MP4), and then muxed it with MKVtoolnix. But it would be great if I could encode the sound using Real Codecs inside of RV10 at, say, 40 kbps and mono.

Thanks,
Victor

Dark-Cracker

7th May 2004, 17:12

hi,

@ookzDVD
for the moment i have disable the possibility to save your previous settings so i will try to enable it in next version so if u want to encode without EHQ once u will set the combo on 60 it will save it as default for the next time u will run autorv10 it will have the combo on 60. i hope it's what u want :)

@tiki4
yep no problem the avisynth filters/and besweet will be updated just let me the time to work on it :)
yes i must improve the audio part when u made multi audio stream.

for the OCR in fact i have add the detection of subtitles in the .ifo file , and i have soon finish the possibility to made a preview of the vobsubfile and for OCR in fact it will use latest Subrip version.

@victorhooi
hum i will perhaps add some low bitrate support but i really hope realnetwork will add more bitrate for the HE-AAC , but i will try to see what i can do :)

PS : post the bitrate wanted with the flavor number and if it's mono or stereo. i will see if i can add them in next version.

++

tiki4

7th May 2004, 17:18

wata

7th May 2004, 17:51

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

PS : post the bitrate wanted with the flavor number and if it's mono or stereo. i will see if i can add them in next version.

++ [/B]

hi,
could you include these in the audio selections

64 Kbps Voice - RealAudio cook 14 44.1 kHz RealPlayer G2

(all my video capture are mono, so i require this option)
plus

RealAuido Lossless Codec

thanks.

victorhooi

8th May 2004, 04:51

Thanks for replying =).

Before, I used the Nero AAC plugin to encode a mono file at a really low bitrate (around 20 - 30 kbps, sorry, can't remember exact figure, but I believe the plugin dialogue has a slider to set bitrate anyway). I haven't tried Realaudio codecs, but I think any of the following would work :

20 Kbps Music - RealAudio cook 3 22.05 kHz RealPlayer G2
20 Kbps Music High Response - RealAudio cook 15 44.1 kHz RealPlayer G2
32 Kbps Music - RealAudio cook 4 44.1 kHz RealPlayer G2
32 Kbps Music High Response - RealAudio cook 16 44.1 kHz RealPlayer G2

I'm not sure which would be best, though. The movie is fairly high on dialogue, so perhaps a voice codec would be better. Advice?

16 Kbps Voice - RealAudio sipr 3 16 kHz RealPlayer 5
32 Kbps Voice - RealAudio cook 7 22.05 kHz RealPlayer G2

Thanks,
Victor

PS: Additional info at
https://producerapps.helixcommunity.org/cmdproducer/docs/AudienceFile.htm
http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/helixproducer/htmfiles/app_code.htm

PPS: Cool, I figured out how to use 'CODE' tags =)

Dark-Cracker

15th May 2004, 16:01

hi,

i have release the new beta 4 :

- panel ripping (using dvddecrypter).
- possibility to extract chapters.
- possibility to extract raw subtitles.
- add chapters in rmvb header.
- grab chapter name on the internet.
- updated besweet / mpeg2dec3.dll / dvd2avi rc7.
- support new format of .d2v file.
- updating the menu icones.
- fixed all the bug reported.

URL :
-----
http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/AutoRV10_v1.0_b4.zip

HOW to use chapters :
---------------------

- if u have not extract your chapters simply select your .ifo file (copied on your hard disk when u have backup your .vob files) in the autorv10 subtitle panel, select your movie chain, and click on "extract" button (it use the chapter OGG format to save them).

- if u have already extracted your chapters select it in the chapter textbox (it support microdvd, svcd , bsplayer , dvdmaestro, ogg, vcd easy, matroska chapter format).

- u can change the name by clicking on the "change name" button, u can made an internet search to find the chapters name (only in english) or u can click on the first chapter and directely type the name.

once it's made u can start the encode and if u have select Directshow mode to play the .rmvb file u will see them.
it's also work on all the player using directshow (mplayer2, bsplayer ....)

i post a little picture of my sample :
http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/chapters.jpg

Bye.

Valky

15th May 2004, 17:06

Aargh! Why does it need avisynth 2.5.5? Just yesterday I finally installed 2.5.4 and now I have to install some alpha version? Is it even safe?

And it says 'you need at least 2.5.5' so is there some even more newer versions somewhere since I couldn't find them in official avisynth page?

Ok. There some more bugs. I can't resize the program window and I really dont know what should read on the right-bottom button?

http://students.turkuai.fi/users/toviital/temp/error.jpg

Dark-Cracker

15th May 2004, 18:20

hi,

@valky
in fact u need the avisynth version 2.5.5 because there is a writefile function who have been added and without this version u can't use the analyze video function. even if v2.5.5 is still in beta stage, it's very stable.

u can download the latest version here : http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/avisynth2/AviSynth_200304.exe?download

in fact it's still a beta version and the button u can't see it's not working :) it was the exit button i will arrange the buttons, label ... once i will finish to implement all the new function.

Ps : don't click on the "command1" button i use it to debug some function and i have forget to hide it :) .
sorry i really made some crap beta release :)

Bye.

Valky

16th May 2004, 13:16

If I use my own avs as a source file and I use bilinearresize there, does your program use them at all cause Autorv10 makes it's own avs-files and there is used bicubicresize? I wonder if it skips all the other filters in my avs-script also?

iradic

16th May 2004, 15:50

hi, one suggestion for anamorphic encoding...

in job file you're setting display size - not ar -> so you can encode at any res you want -> it would be nice if we can set this custom res

why? i find that encoding at 16:9 stretches picture too much (i can see this when playing file) so i always set a little bit higher res manually in avs script -> this option would help me and maybe some others...

thanks...

Valky

17th May 2004, 11:31

Well, I have made two excellent encoding now with this latest build. Both filesizes were very accurate 233mb, but unfortunately I couldn't manage to do 2 encodings during the night. First one, was ok, but the second file is missing?

It made the .task, .log, and .rpjf files to the second file also, but no video.

hellfred

18th May 2004, 09:17

Originally posted by Valky
If I use my own avs as a source file and I use bilinearresize there, does your program use them at all cause Autorv10 makes it's own avs-files and there is used bicubicresize? I wonder if it skips all the other filters in my avs-script also?
I think that all the frames are send through the frameserver twice. Firsts framserver processes the frames according to your avs script, and handels those frames to the second frameserver running the script from AutoRV10.
Have a look at the resize command in the avs of AutoRV10. Does it actually resize?
If you fear that some of the settings in that avs script will decrease your picture quality and unnecessarily increase encoding time, just delete them. I usually edit the files between adding the job and actually running it.

Hellfred

tiki4

18th May 2004, 11:19

At least earlier versions of AutoRV10 just imported the source script into the Avisynth script. I think that only one instance of Avisynth is running that way. AFAIK resizers do nothing if input size = output size, but maybe one has to ask Sh0dan.

tiki4

Valky

18th May 2004, 12:47

Originally posted by Valky
Well, I have made two excellent encoding now with this latest build. Both filesizes were very accurate 233mb, but unfortunately I couldn't manage to do 2 encodings during the night. First one, was ok, but the second file is missing?

It made the .task, .log, and .rpjf files to the second file also, but no video.

Last night I tried again to make two encoding jobs during the night. This time something went horrible wrong even with the first one which was 100min movie. The filesize was only 542mb and the file is not playable. My audiofile was supposed to be 160kbs so I believe it failed to do that at all and audio is missing in that file.
The second job failed again. Is this because of that error-message after every encoding?

Ok, I give up. Last night I tried again to encode whole movie with it and again the file is only 546 and not playable. This time I had my wav inside the avs-script and everything seems to be fine with little test version using trim.

I also noticed that this program suffocated my C:\? My encoding happens in drive E:\ where I have space and I think one time this encoding failed cause it couldn't have enough space in drive C:?

tiki4

19th May 2004, 15:39

Nope, Valky,

AutoRV10 just writes some small script and logfiles, maybe a few MB altogether, to your C:\ drive. Did you test your AVS files in VirtualDub(Mod) or WMP before you imported them to AutoRV10? Check your setup one again, and also check the AVS AutoRV10 writes to your harddisk. Maybe some resizing goes horribly wrong. Last thing: Make sure you provide YV12 input to producer.exe.

tiki4

Valky

19th May 2004, 16:57

Originally posted by tiki4
Nope, Valky,

AutoRV10 just writes some small script and logfiles, maybe a few MB altogether, to your C:\ drive. Did you test your AVS files in VirtualDub(Mod) or WMP before you imported them to AutoRV10? Check your setup one again, and also check the AVS AutoRV10 writes to your harddisk. Maybe some resizing goes horribly wrong. Last thing: Make sure you provide YV12 input to producer.exe.

tiki4

Of course I tested them many times. And I even made a workin divx file with the same script so that's why I am wondering whats wrong. Btw, is it somewhere possible to see how long the whole process took time?

Dark-Cracker

20th May 2004, 15:03

hi,

sorry for my late answer i was during 1 week without internet and under exams in my school :(

hum i think it's perhaps my function to change the tempory directory who was broken , this can explain why u don't have obtain the final file, and that it have use C:\ instead of D:\ .
i will made a new release i think this will solve the problem.
sorry :(

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

20th May 2004, 18:25

hi,

just a quick hello to post a link for an english guide on the autorv10 beta version.

http://dark.pluridis.org/~darkangel/autorv10_guide/AutoRv10.htm

feel free to post comment and suggestions on this guide.

enjoy :)
++

victorhooi

21st May 2004, 08:13

Nice guide, simple enough for me to understand, yet it seems to cover all the bases (just one small typo at bottom, he referred to AutoRV9 by mistake).

BTW, does anyone know if RV10 is going Gold?

Also, Dark-Cracker, will you be making a non-debug release?

Finally, can you include an option for low bitrate, say 20 or 32 kbps mono soundtracks (I posted some info on page 20).

Great program, keep it up (I'd be happy to contribute if I can, though I can't code - documentation/testing?)

Thanks,
Victor

Dark-Cracker

21st May 2004, 11:12

hi,

i think once rv10 will finish his beta test there will probably have 2 versions 1 basic (free) and 1 gold (not free).

>Also, Dark-Cracker, will you be making a non-debug release?

once my beta tests will be finish u will have a non-debug release, until the final build u will have partially working beta version :) :) :) .

i have not start to change the audio panel but once i will work on it i will try to add lower bitrate and mono.

thank u :) as always if u want help me try to made different test on the software and report me the bugs or imprevements :)

Bye.

Valky

24th May 2004, 00:50

Btw, I just want to ask that does it matter if I have my Wav already inside the avs-script or if I add it manually from the audio table? Like I have already mentioned, I haven't been able to do fullsize 700mb movie with this latest release, because of some kind of bug, but normally?

I have now made many 233mb tv-episodes with separate wav, but maby wav inside the avs-script works also?

And my wavs I encode using your own Besweet_Gui_light which is excellent software for RM-encoding.

Dark-Cracker

24th May 2004, 10:42

hi,

for the moment if the audio stream is in the .avs file it will be ignored during the encoding, i must add support for avs file with audio in next release.
for the moment add manually the .wav using the audio panel.

++

24th May 2004, 23:01

I love b4 : )

Just wondering if other people have such high PF deltas with producer.exe on a 512MB machine. Or is it just my configuation -> optimised for background tasks, conservative swap usege and kernel cacheing?

Screen Shot (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~cattz/task%20mngr.jpg)

26th May 2004, 11:38

Runtime error '9': Subscript out of range

I get this error consistantly doing batch encodes. With the vobs and d2v files togeather in separate dirs for each encode.

-----------------------------------------------------------
IDCT p3 / AMD

PAL, 16/9, neutral bicubic, anamorphic,

Deinterlace Decomb (hybrid), undot

Two pass vbr, normal motion, EHQ=100

Process Priority idle.
----------------------------------------------------------

win xp sp1

Autorv10 b4

AviSynth_200304.exe (2.55 alpha)

%50 free space in riping partition.

meditate2

26th May 2004, 12:47

Nice guide !

My suggestion would be, for people(like me) with less technic-knowledge would explain also the alternate options.
For example:

Where are the differences in the Video modes(at the Pass-Settings)
Or what in the hell is "max. Consecutive BF" ?(at frame settings.)
Or the advance settings...i only understand the prefilters, but the rest, i dont even know whats going on there :(

Can any1 tell me something about this anyway ?

tnx,
meditate

Dark-Cracker

26th May 2004, 13:45

@ #2
i have succeded to reproduce this bug it will be fixed in next release.
thank u for the bug report.

@meditate2

the pass settings are : in 1 pass cbr u made constant bitrate , quality is linear but the final size is accurate.
1 pass VBR , the bitrate is variable and the final size is not really accured. 1 pass quality instead of using the bitrate the quantizer is used , final size is really really not accurate.

2 pass vbr , final size is perfect.

for B-frame (bidirectionnal frame) i suggest u to search in the forum for a more technical description :)

Bye.

meditate2

26th May 2004, 16:33

@dc,
thanks for explanation.but i know about the pass modes, but i meant the videomode(sharpest motion, normal motion etc..) where are the differences and what is it good for(anime etc..)

I understand the drop-dupe prefilter from the realprod.
but where is the difference between that and the "DUP"-filter in the filter tab ? Also it would be nice it the guide to see some explanation about the filter and their results on different material.

Also what is an in-loop filter ? Or "enable-loss-protection" ? and the presets at the curve compressions ?

And prob. a bug: if i switch "undot" and "bifrost" filters on it encodes only some moments and the result file 52K big...i dont see an error at the logfile, just some lines with "EarlyExit Enabled" ????

anyway, thanks for this awesome tool, which became my number one.

Valky

26th May 2004, 16:52

I agree that this tool is my favourite and only choice for RM-encoding. It's also better looking than before. Now we just wait for bug-free version and before that, we try to take everything out of this little gem. Thank you.

Btw, I would also like to know more details about those settings in previous post and what about this black level -filter? I suppose it helps to reduce those scene changing parts that should be black, but usually with RM they are not. More like green. If this filter is for this purpose, will it also effect to other parts of movie? Is it safe to use?

karl_lillevold

26th May 2004, 17:47

meditate2: Here is an explanation of the RV10 codec settings, many of them can be set by AutoRV10: RealVideo 10 codecProperties explained (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72321). In most cases the recommended setting is to leave them alone, i.e. default. With some experience one can start to play around with some finetuning, and this has been discussed here, but for the most part, default is good (well, except if you have a reasonably fast computer, change the EHQ setting from default 80 to 90, which is the codec default, but AutoRV10's default is 80).

With regards to 'videomode', use 'normal' or 'sharp'. New in Producer 10 Gold is that with 'sharp' you the inloop thresholds are moved up slightly. Previously 'sharp' would do nothing except for very low bitrates. I use 'normal'. AutoRV10 also lets you set the inloop thresholds separately.

Re "Filter guide": Yes, it would be wonderful if someone would write a short summary for what all the filters do. Personally, I use only two filters: Fluxsmooth for grainy/noisy material, and Decomb for inverse telecine, but others prefer to play around with all sorts of filters.

"Enable loss-protection": useful only for streaming over lossy networks.
"Presets for curve compression": See codec options explained above

I agree, AutoRV10 is a great tool. It works well out-of-the-box. No need to change many settings.

Valky: I have not seen the bugs you mentioned. My target filesize always ends up correct. The black-level filter is meant to adjust the black level in videos where black is too bright or grayish. This is mostly useful for videos captured with sub-optimal settings, and probably not appropriate in other cases. Strange problem you mention with black scene changes turning green. I have never seen that myself.

Valky

26th May 2004, 20:11

Originally posted by karl_lillevold

Valky: I have not seen the bugs you mentioned. My target filesize always ends up correct. Strange problem you mention with black scene changes turning green. I have never seen that myself.

@karl: I have also made very accurate full-size movies (700mb) with older versions with this tool and now I have made already 6 episodes with accurate filesize 233mb with this version.
Somehow I haven't just managed to do 700mb file. Anyone else who have with just this latest beta?

And what comes to that green part..it's not really green..It's more like gray blockiness or something. Anyway, it should be absolutely black green, cause there isn't any picture during these scenes. I have noticed this before with other RM-tools, thought.

Off-topic: What about this issue, what I was wondering on other forum section:

I just upgraded my player to this newer one and noticed one thing. In RealPlayer the picture somehow much more colourful and sharpen than in mpc. Why is that? It's almost like my hard efforts for removing the rainbow effects in old Fawlty Tower backups are back when using RealPlayer to watch these clips? I thought that these players produce absolutely same picture quality with default settings.

I admit that I thought that there were something wrong with my deinterlacing, since MPC seems to 'lag' the picture on some parts with my files, but with new RealPlayer all my videos are absolutely smooth to play[/QUOTE]

Dark-Cracker

26th May 2004, 20:39

@meditate2

>Also what is an in-loop filter ?

A loop filter may reduce the annoying blocking artefacts inherent in low bitrate coding and produces smaller bitstream because of less prediction error from the deblocked reference frame.
Its coding gain is not coming from many bits saving or much higher PSNR, but from subjective quality, especially in the case of very low bit rate coding.

> drop-dupe and DUP

rv10 is a variable frame rate container, in fact dropdupe and dup are complementary. drope-dupe detect similar frame and only encode once this frame and change the frame rate, DUP is a filter to duplicate the frames, if 2 (or more) frames consecutive are similar, this will help dropdupe filter detection.
this can help u to reduce the number of frames to encode, and allow the codec to use more bitrate for the others.

in next version once u will use DUP filter it will enable drope-dup filter .

>presets at the curve compressions

the presets are used to help u to get some *reliable* value for the high and low % , it analyse the .pass file (generated during the first pass) to calculate the motion of your movie.
using the result it also take count of the compressibilty of the movie and automaticly calculate some value needed for the codec.

preset low allow more flexibility for the codec to change the value provided by autorv10, and strong preset *force* the codec to use them.
(warning the high and low % can generate over/undersize).

for the filter panel i have not yet finish to build it, the bug reports for this panel are for the moment useless :)

@valky

>Anyone else who have with just this latest beta?

i have no found problems with my latest 2 backups (700 and 1400 mb)
undersize of 200 kb for the first and oversize of 500 kb for the second.

>It's more like gray blockiness or something

i have once get this bug using blackfilter. in fact it was when i have incrust subtitle using vsfilter and on some frame there were like a layer of grey (look like opacity 10%). i think perhaps subtitle can false the blackfilter detection, but not sure .

>Off-topic: What about this issue, what I was wondering on other forum section:

this can come from the render used in mpc. but this answer is also out of topic :)

Bye.

Valky

26th May 2004, 23:05

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

>It's more like gray blockiness or something

i have once get this bug using blackfilter. in fact it was when i have incrust subtitle using vsfilter and on some frame there were like a layer of grey (look like opacity 10%). i think perhaps subtitle can false the blackfilter detection, but not sure .

This might be true, since I always use subtitles burned in picture when I encode in RM format. Have to do more investigation...

karl_lillevold

26th May 2004, 23:12

Encoding subtitles "burned in picture" is bad for compression efficiency ... but I guess unavoidable in certain cases. In my experiments with Matroska I have found it is possible to multiplex native sub-titles with RV10, and have them displayed with MPC and VSFilter. That feature is great, because I also like to move the subtitles around on playback such that they are as much out of the way as possible. "Burned" subtitles can of course never be removed or moved.

Re the player issues you mentioned. Sorry, I really do not know what could be going on. On all my systems, the video looks about the same in MPC and RealPlayer 10, but I prefer MPC for its flexibility with subtitles, ability to play Matroska, bookmarks, navigation, single-stepping, and a few other reasons.

31st May 2004, 03:38

Hi All.

> drop-dupe and DUP rv10 is a variable frame rate container, in fact dropdupe and dup are complementary. drope-dupe detect similar frame and only encode once this frame and change the frame rate, DUP is a filter to duplicate the frames, if 2 (or more) frames consecutive are similar, this will help dropdupe filter detection. this can help u to reduce the number of frames to encode, and allow the codec to use more bitrate for the others. in next version once u will use DUP filter it will enable drope-dup filter .

When ever I enable the DUP filter I get an immediate "finnished writing" and "errors 0" for both passes. With out any writing occuring at all.

BTW Dark-Cracker any work around for the batch encode bug you can think of?

Dark-Cracker

31st May 2004, 15:03

hi,

the avisynth panel is not yet finished , i will update it in the next release.
and i will also fix all the bug reported.
u can expect a new release within the 2 days.
i think this should solve all the problems.

vermaccio

4th June 2004, 09:27

1)i install it
2)i start it and i have problems:

it doesn't find vb6fr.dll sgrunt... i installed vb6 runtimes in french! (french???)

it doesn't find avisinth. i downloaded avisinth 2.5.4.
now it says that it needs avisinth 2.5.5 (there is only alpha version) arghhh. i downloaded it too

now it says there are problem with an ocx never heard....

and so on.

Can you create an installer "full" of everything it needs?

thank you

i have win2000 sp4

Dark-Cracker

4th June 2004, 16:51

hi,

autorv10 is still in beta version , so for the moment there will be no installer until the final version.

if u have some problems with the ocx i suggest u to install the autorv9 version (who is bundle with an installer and all the .ocx file needed) install it (deselect "install avisynth 2.0.7") , delete the autorv9 directory and install the autorv10 beta version.
all should work fine.

else i suggest u to wait until the final version to test this software, or i think i u don't wait until this, u can find in the *RV9 thread* a list of the other GUI who surely come with an installer and will probabely meet your needs.

Bye.

nirudha

7th June 2004, 03:17

hi,

is there way of encoding the audio stream of an AVS file at a quality other than the standard 44kbps RA8? autorv10 seems to want a seperate audio stream file and if it can't find one it sticks to the default audio setting mentioned above. it would be nice for it to use the codec and bit rate you select in the audio tab even if it cannot do normalization etc on the integrated audio stream.

any thoughts?

nirudha

Dark-Cracker

7th June 2004, 03:37

hi,

>is there way of encoding the audio stream of an AVS file at a quality other than the standard 44kbps RA8?

for the moment autorv10 doesn't take care if your avs file have or not an audio stream (wait next release for this feature.)

at 44kbps it's always RA8 (upper bitrate is RA10 => AAC and ACC+).

>autorv10 seems to want a seperate audio stream file and if it can't find one it sticks to the default audio setting mentioned above.

yes for the moment u need select the separate file, else it will encode without audio stream.

>it would be nice for it to use the codec and bit rate you select in the audio tab even if it cannot do normalization etc on the integrated audio stream.

yes this is on my todo list :)

Bye.

Dark-Cracker

11th June 2004, 14:44

hi,

just a little post to say that the developpement of the subtitles are on the way :) i am finishing to made a preview of the vobsub file.

screenshot here :
http://dark.pluridis.org/subview.jpg

in order to help u to incrust them :)
this function have been a lot asked so i have work hard on this.

i will try to release a new version soon.

Bye.

Razorblade2000

11th June 2004, 14:59

thx :D
Looks really nice

Dark-Cracker

13th June 2004, 16:48

hi,

just a quick build for this beta 5.
this file is an update (new autorv10.exe and the new avisynth filters).
u need to decompress the archive in the autorv10 folder and overwrite the old files.

url :
-----
http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b5_update.zip

changelog :
-----------
- update dvd2avi and mpeg2dec3.dll with the latest v1.3.0 version.
- added new avisynth filters and remove some olders.
- get informations (bitrate/channels/frequency) on all the input file (.WAV/.MPA/.MP2/.DTS/.AC3)
- add a Vobsub Subtitle Preview (http://dark.pluridis.org/subview.jpg)
- add an online updater (check if u have the latest version)
- detect interlaced field parity (for MPEG2 input)
- Dynamic denoise cleanning
- improve the Ripper Panel (support more than 1 dvd-drive).
- fix all bug reported.

new filters added :
-------------------
- IT 2.5 / SmartDecimate for inversetelecine part
- add KernelInt for deinterlace part
- MSsmooth / Bifrost for the anime part

TODO List :
-----------
- improve Ripper Panel (multiangle/ freesize needed / extract by chapters.)
- Improve Audio Panel (mono codec / possibility to use old RV8 codec)
- Finish the Hybrid Mode in Video Panel / improve Analyze of the material.
- finish the preview for the subtitle and add support for .srt/.sub/.ssa ... input file
- add internet tag grabber on www.blockbuster.com and www.dvdfr.com

i will start my summer job monday so i think there will not have new build before a few weeks.

PS : apparenly my work is appreciated :) ^^ (http://dark.pluridis.org/autorv9_string.jpg) :)

Bye.

tiki4

14th June 2004, 07:47

Thanks, D-C,

I will test this new release this evening. Congrats, very nice tattoo!

tiki4

ookzDVD

18th June 2004, 02:44

Can someone provide the mirror of the beta4,
the link is broken anyway.

I can't try the beta5 without the beta4 installed :(

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

18th June 2004, 17:39

http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b4.zip

victorhooi

28th June 2004, 06:58

Hi,

I just encoded Wicked City (anime), with a target size of 700Mb. The encoding produced a Wicked City_Movie.rmvb, Wicked City_Credit.rmvb, Wicked City_Subtitle.rt and Wicked City_Subtitle.smil in the destination folder. Anyway, the program reports that it ran out of space whilst joining:

Video Avisynth Script :

Join Movie + Credits :

Log File: c:\AutoRV10_Join.log
Input File 1: C:\video encoding\New Folder\Wicked City_Movie.rmvb
Input File 2: C:\video encoding\New Folder\Wicked City_Credit.rmvb
Output File: c:\video encoding\Wicked City.rmvb

Error: The file could not be processed.
Please verify that there is adequate space on the
destination drive and in your system's temporary directory.
***********************************************

The funny thing is that that drive has exactly 698 Mb free (kinda annoying) - anyway, I'll just join them manually with rmeditor.exe. Exactly what command line should I use (rmeditor -i movie -i credits -o output), or is there a way to rerun the end of the job via AutoRV10?

The real problem is that the sound seems horribly out of sync with the video. If I play from the start, it's fine, but if you attempt to seek, it goes out of sync. This occurs with both Real Player 10, as well as MPC. I understand that 'out-of-sync' isn't that descriptive, but I'm pretty sure it's some silly error on my part.

Anyway, thanks in advance.

Bye,
Victor

PS: Will mono-sound and lower bit-rates be included in the next release?

Dark-Cracker

28th June 2004, 07:25

hi,

yes the command line is rmeditor.exe -i ... -i ... -o ...
but i don't know why u have a desynch , with which tool have u rip the dvd ? have u use demux audio stream from dvd2avi ?

PS : yes i will add mono and lower bitrate :)

Bye.

victorhooi

28th June 2004, 22:57

Hi,

Thanks for the reply, Dark-Cracker. I actually followed the procedure listed here (http://www.everwicked.com/content/DivX_5_Guide/content-02.php) , more or less.

Rip the DVD with DVD Decryptor, which outputs the .VOB files and ac3 file, then input the VOBs into a DVD2AVI project, before piping the .d2v project and .ac3 file to AutoRV10.

Hope that helps.

Bye,
Victor

niamh

1st July 2004, 12:24

OK, I've taken the plunge, and I'm trying RV10 ;)
This app is quite perfect for me ,since I haven't a clue about the settings and so on.It's going to take a bit more reading before I can figure what's what, and is it broken or not :D
Anyway...I'm using beta 5 and the window appearing is too small(some bottom button are hidden) and I can't resize it, so there are at least 2 buttons that I can't even see

Keep up the good work, and thank you :)

meditate2

14th July 2004, 11:23

@DC
great new build, thanks !

Some wishes:
Would it be possible to have 2 "endcredits"?
The endcredits and the same just for the intro ?
It would be great esp. for some material
like short animes series who has always the
same intro which could save a lotsa bytes
, esp. if wanna have them small..

Also and a minimize button 4 the Mainwindow
would be nice.

Also it would be nice if it would keep
your used settings from the last time…
(size of movie etc…)

How about an estimated time left status…(dont
know if this is supported by realprod.)

-

And what means "Use dynamic Filtering" in the
new version ?

thanks,
meditate

Valky

14th July 2004, 12:12

Originally posted by meditate2

How about an estimated time left status…(dont
know if this is supported by realprod.)

This would be great if it is possible to do. At least I have seen it in another RM GUI made by someone else (Can't remember which tool it was, but it really was a great GUI and was the very first one to support avs-source and showed a great progress bar). Unfortunately this other GUI haven't been updated a long time.

Dark-Cracker

14th July 2004, 14:16

hi,

@meditate2
thank u for the requests :) a part of them are already in my wish list.
for the start credits i will try to add them but there is not a lot of free space in the GUI :( but i must work on the credits function soon so perhaps i will rebuild all this part :)

for the time lest for the moment it's not possible , when u launch the encode my GUI is sleeping (to avoid cpu and memory use) so it's not possible to hook the dos encoding windows in sleeping mode.
but i will perhaps change this later.

"Dynamic filtering" allow avisynth to clean (using fluxsmooth or convolution3D) the movie and change the settings if the movie scene is high/Medium/Low it's based on QMF (quantized motion filtering) a plugin developped by HomieFR.
it give better result than linear cleanning.

Bye.

victorhooi

31st July 2004, 08:00

Hi,

AutoRV10 is still my favourite frontend - even with all the new developments in RealAnime and EasyReal-whatever :). I still haven't figured out why the audio/video syncing error occured, but maybe next time I'll try .mkv (yeah, I know, I can mux, but I already deleted the output file - stupid, I know).

Anyway, how's the development going? Waiting eagerly for the next release...

Bye,
Victor

PS: I have the 2 gig .vobs, and an .ac3 file - what's the best way to get these into Auto? (eg best method/options for creating .avs/.d2v?).

hellfred

31st July 2004, 10:26

@DC
Where can i find info on this dynamic denoising form HomieFR?
I have used search but did not hit the right keywords. I could not find any hits for user HomieFR and nois or dynamic etc.

Hellfred

Dark-Cracker

31st July 2004, 13:16

hi,

@victorhooi
simply use the dvd2avi to open your .vob file , select "save project" it will create u a .d2v file , open it in autorv10 and in the audio tab u can open your .ac3 file.

the developpement is still on the way :) i will have more free time in some few week , u can expect a new release soon :)

@hellfred

the dll file used was made by manao , using the HomieFR script QMF.
u can find more info here :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56051

Bye.

hellfred

31st July 2004, 15:12

Thank you for the link.

Hellfred

victorhooi

1st August 2004, 14:18

Hi,

Can't wait for it dude :).

About the avs/d2v files: There isn't any secret voodoo computer magic I have to do, is there? It's just that some DivX5 guides I read a long time ago recommended all these esoteric options in the menus. Still, your method's simpler :D Furthermore, what's with all the different versions (of D2V) - I should just use the one you included, right?

Finally, I kinda need a movie encoded soon (next few days), and I was wondering what's the best way to update AutoRV10 to the latest Producer/other apps? (while we wait for your next great release, that is).

Thanks,
Victor

Dark-Cracker

1st August 2004, 15:46

@victor

yes use the dvd2avi version who is bundle in the package else u will have an error "invalid d2v file".

if u want to update your producer version the only think u need to kkep in mind is :

- made a backup of the rmto3260.dll file in the tool folder (else the join of credits + movie will failed).
- be sure u have an racp.dll file in the codec folder (else u will not be able to use HE-AAC aucio codec).

* always think to delete the old realproducer folder else u can have problems if some old files remain in the same folder than the new files.

PS : for the latest realproducer u need 2 more .dll file (for the c++ .NET) search in the real producer 9 mercury thread.

Bye.

superdump

15th August 2004, 14:47

Would it be possible to have a matroska output for AutoRV10?

MSlv

15th August 2004, 14:50

I saw in the guide that the final file is in rmvb container. Is there a way to move the audio and video streams in mkv container?

Dark-Cracker

15th August 2004, 19:24

hi,

yes u can use the mkvmerge tool to convert your .rmvb file (1 stream video and 1 stream audio) in mkv file.
if u have made more than 1 audio file u just need to select the 1 rmvb file (1 video stream) and the 2 .rm files (1 audio stream each) and merge them in a .mkv using mkvmerge.

i will try to made a little guide to explain which command line u need to use.

++

Razorblade2000

15th August 2004, 19:38

there'S also a gui called "mmg"

MSlv

16th August 2004, 09:05

thanks. It works. I used mkvtoolnix-0.9.4 from matroska.org, and the gui (mmg.exe) makes it so simple... Is it possible to multiplex the rmvb video stream with other audio stream, like ac3 or mp3?

Dark-Cracker

16th August 2004, 11:13

yes u can mux in matroska most of the newest audio codec : ogg , aac, mp3, ac3 ....
read in the www.matroska.org siteweb the list of the supported audio format.

++

MSlv

16th August 2004, 19:08

After the convertion was 100% (after 2nd pass), AutoRV10_v1.0_b4 gave me this error:Run-time error "9":

Subscript out of range
I don't know what's wrong. I have now 2 .rmvb files, one is the movie and the other one is the credits. Is there a way to join them toghether?

Sirber

16th August 2004, 19:12

Smells like VB :eek: ;)

MSlv

16th August 2004, 19:19

what can I do to prevent this from happening?
And HOW do I join the movie and the credits toghether?

damrod

16th August 2004, 19:42

yep

you must have a directory with the producer.exe i think

look if there is also a rmeditor.exe ...

if yes open a cmd window (execute -> cmd)

then go to this directory with the cd command....

type rmeditor.exe
it will give you info about how to use it ;-))

...ok i'm a good boy ;-))

http://damrod66.free.fr/rmeditor.exe => it's the cmdline app
http://damrod66.free.fr/rmed.exe => a gui in vb6 i wrote sometimes ago

there's a part "append files" : you click on add files, choose one by one in the good order you files then click on save as button

remember to put this file(s) in the same directory of producer.exe

damrod

16th August 2004, 19:43

normally you will not have pb with vb6 dlls : autorv10 is written in vb6 so you still have the dlls ;-)

MSlv

16th August 2004, 19:53

with rmed.exe:Component 'COMDLG32.OCX' or one of its dependencies not correctly registered: a file is missing or invalid

Sirber

16th August 2004, 20:09

lol!!!

look on google, you can find all the needed DLL/OCX :)

Dark-Cracker

16th August 2004, 20:18

go in the rp9_light folder and use this command in the dos box :

rmeditor -i "c:\movie.rmvb -i "c:\credits.rmvb" -o "c:\final.rmvb"

of course think to change the path with the correct one.

to prevent a such error think to update with the b5 version.

++

Sirber

16th August 2004, 20:27

@DC

Why isn't AutoRV10 avalible on your website?

damrod

16th August 2004, 21:06

pff vb really sucks lol

Dark-Cracker

16th August 2004, 21:12

@sirber
it will be available in the download section of my siteweb once it will have finish the beta stage, for the moment it only available in my forum.

@damrod
plz avoid freeposting in this thread who have already a lot of posts . thx.

++

Sirber

16th August 2004, 21:13

That's very OT :o

superdump

18th August 2004, 02:56

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
yes u can mux in matroska most of the newest audio codec : ogg , aac, mp3, ac3 ....
read in the www.matroska.org siteweb the list of the supported audio format.

++ I knew about the MMG .rmvb to .mkv conversion but I thought an integrated approach with the ability to use a variety of audio compression codecs might be an area to expand AutoRV10. But if you want to stick solely to RV and RA in .rmvb then that's fine. :) It's your project after all.

Dark-Cracker

22nd August 2004, 22:26

Hi,

i have made a quick build :)

url (5.6 mb) :
----------------
http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b6.zip

http://dark.pluridis.org/cpp71dll.zip

changelog :
--------------

- add alternative curve scaling.
- improve auto calc inloop cut off quantizer.
- improve IFO parser (better detection of subtitle/audio stream ID).
- improve preview speed during display.
- allow audio preview if directshow filter is found.
- remove the "streaming error" option
- limit Avisynth Memory usage.
- enable multithreads if Hyperthreading or MultiProcessor were detected
- at start check if the CPU support MMX instruction (needed for avisynth)
- display warning if CPU doesn't support iSSE instruction (needed for some filters).
- check if the c++ 7.1 dll are installed (needed for producer)
- check if there is a YV12 decompressor installed.
- improve dynamic cleaning (high/medium/low motion).

Dark-Cracker

22nd August 2004, 22:29

i have also open an paypal count if u want to make donation and support my work u can find info here :
http://dark.pluridis.org/paypal.php

Bye.

victorhooi

24th August 2004, 09:14

Hi,

Great :D, can't wait to try it out. Just from a quick look (couple of secs), it seems you still can't resize the window - consequently, one of the buttons (can't see the label) at the bottom is hidden.

Also, any chance of including lower bitrates for audio?

Keep up the good work.

Bye,
Victor

Dark-Cracker

24th August 2004, 13:27

hi,

yes the button "exit" is always out of the windows (lol i have not fix this matter yet) i will work on the cosmetic part once all the feature will be there.

for the audio i have not yet work on it but lower bitrate will be there in next release.

++

karl_lillevold

8th September 2004, 02:19

It could be very useful to be able to input/include an external file size for audio. Since other container formats are now in use with RV10, for instance AC3 and Vorbis, and one can mux these with the video track after compression, it would be convenient if AutoRV10 could include this filesize in its bitrate/filesize calculation. One could imagine a box where # of MB could be typed... Perhaps even the existing box on the "Codec" page could be made editable?

Dark-Cracker

8th September 2004, 05:32

yep this could be an intresting feature i will try to see the best way to include it in the GUI.

i am also thinking about add a way to enter manualy the output video bitrate and show separate video and audio bitrate in the codec panel but i still need to find enought free space in the panel.

13th September 2004, 21:26

Sorry guys am I missing something obvious here? I've installed the latest avisynth. But I get this message every time I try to start Autorv10.

Win XP SP1

Autorv10 b6

Dark-Cracker

14th September 2004, 00:11

hi,

read the first post it's writen where u can find a yv12 decompressor (here : http://dark.pluridis.org/yuvcodecs_1.2.exe)

++

14th September 2004, 08:48

Thanks D-C. That opening post is comprehensive. Nice to have all the info in one place.

Cheers :)

karl_lillevold

14th September 2004, 17:09

#2: That's exactly what you need, and for the record, here is the the thread discussing these Helix YUV codecs (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56972&highlight=helix+yuv).

17th September 2004, 21:32

I get this when trying to encode Clerks (B&W)

Run-time error "6":
Overflow

This only happens when I do the whole film. small test cuts work fine on the same settings.

-AMD optimisations
-PAL 4:3
-Anamorphic with out "keep croped..."
-Tomsmocomp
-Conv 3D, medium
-Undot
-E.H.Q. 100
-Normal motion
-Enable Black Filter
-Idle Process Priority

Heeps of space every where.
Any thoughts.

karl_lillevold

19th September 2004, 06:05

hmmm, I had an over-run with this tool as well, but I am not sure at the moment the exact cause. Maybe it was because the b6 version defaults to D-C's custom curve compression RC adjustment instead of the default one... There should be a new version soon. I have communicated with D-C about this problem, and I think we will hear from him soon as well ;)

19th September 2004, 20:40

Thanks Karl.
If its any help D-C; This also happens on this flim with or with out the black filter enabled and also with the Alternative codec settings and the Linea codec settings.... Still testing.

Sirber

19th September 2004, 20:56

This is simply a VB bug. A step-by-step repro will show where it is and will be easier to fix.

20th September 2004, 20:57

It crashes right at the end of the encode. Which means that each test takes 7-8 hrs. :\ It makes the credit part ok and then I think it may be crashing as it finalises the movie part of the encode. Either that or crashes on the join. I tryed it with out 'delete temp file' and ended up with a 1.3 MB tmp file and the same issue. I'll try it with out credits set and then with a smaller output file size (1315 MB ATM)

Sound good?

BTW on all encodes I get 1 Error saying "Unable to open codec mapping file F:\Autorv~2\Softs\Rp9_L~1\resources\CodecMapping.txt" If I create that file I don't get the error but then it is just a blank file...?

Sirber

20th September 2004, 21:01

That file is to override old codecs to new codecs. It can be blank.

22nd September 2004, 19:39

I reduced the file size from 1315 MB to 650 MB and got no overflow. Not setting credits made no difference. Hope that helps.

Dark-Cracker

24th September 2004, 20:31

hi,

i think i have found the problem , the next release should solve this bug (a wrong var type during cleanning the code :) ).

i will release a quick build this week with the fix of the differents bugs reported.

++

Dark-Cracker

26th September 2004, 15:55

hi,

just a quick release before i come back to school :)
i have made an installer (not yet 100% working i should add the yv12 codec and unicows.dll if win9x/me is detected).
i have fix all the reported bugs and add a few new functions but it's still the beta 6 (i should have call it beta 6.1 but not :) ).

changelog :
-----------

- allow to re use the first pass stat file.
- add EHQ and Anamorphic informations in the tag video
- limit minimum monitor resolution at 800x600 to launch autorv10
- correct mpeg2 color conversion and chroma limiter by default
- improve filter preset settings

cf first post for the full install.

Bye.

30th September 2004, 08:41

Thanks D-C that fixed the problem with Clerks. I also like the filter presets better.

Should I be worried about any registry settings from old versions?

Dark-Cracker

1st October 2004, 16:44

no problem with the registry , all the info are stored in the autorv10.ini file :)

++

karl_lillevold

2nd October 2004, 16:51

Nice work! Finally an installer again, no need to install old version to get things working for the first time.

This version works great for me, no errors to report. The introduction of dynamic pre-filters is cool, and I have switched to your alt cc rate control :) Finally, I noticed the new ColorMatrix as the final filter in your Avisynth script. I looked up its thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82217&highlight=ColorMatrix) in the Avisynth forum, and compared with and without side-by-side using StackVertical in Avisynth. I can easily see the difference. ColorMatrix does make the colors look more natural. Very interesting.

Oh, what else: one can now set process priority for everything AutoRV10 starts, including audio conversion. This is another important detail. Previously I would have to lower its priority manually, since it runs for quite a while, leaving the computer rather unresponsive..

hubereevez

17th November 2004, 19:02

:scared:

Dark come back, my love .............:), up.......

Your GUI still does a great job with DVD, perfect with Hybridfupp filter on anime, movies (high preset)

Come back.....

hubert

MSlv

19th November 2004, 18:38

Yeah! A new build would be very nice, considering the updates in RV10...

Pleeeeeeeeease...

Dark-Cracker

28th November 2004, 15:27

hi,

you will a new build the next week , i have find some free hours this weekend to add (again) the subtitle part, but unhappily i have found a bug so i will delay the build to correct it.

sorry if u have to wait but i am actually under exams :( and my studies come first, i will start my exams monday, and during 1 week i will have 8h * 5day exams :( once it's finish i will have 2 days of party :) (+ 8h to understand why i have an headache and who is this girl in my bed :) ), and the week after i have 2 oral tests one in communication on my report (generated after my previous year training period) and the other test is for my english courses and the TOEIC.
the week after i have to release 40 page of documentation for my "project management" courses, and after i an on hollyday but i still need to find my 6 month training period. as you can see i have a lot of thing to do so i think i will try to made the next update as stable as possible because i am not sure to have a lot of time to update it after.

Stay tuned :)

++

tiki4

28th November 2004, 18:06

Good luck to your exams! ... and provide some pictures of the girl that wakes up next to you. I guess we're also interested :D

tiki4

hubereevez

29th November 2004, 03:39

happy to see you again

i know you now, so I think I can ask this :

Could you make a new build priority with video encoding ? Eg producer, dvd2avi, new filter.......

i think other tool make a great job with sub and chapter already, but I know you will a all in one gui.

Thanks again dark anf goooooooo paypal erf

lol

hubert

MSlv

30th November 2004, 19:45

Yes, good luck with your exams and projects. I wish you the highest grades possible. It's nice to hear from you again. I just thought you were no longer developing this marvelous tool. What I want to find out is if future builds can improve speed, picture quality (just curious, great quality so far) and if you can add mkv output to the gui.

Thanks again for creating this. I gave up encoding in DivX, Xvid because of this and I don't regret it.

Dark-Cracker

5th December 2004, 00:41

hi,

my exams have been finished with success (except for 1 test :( but everybody have find it hard) i have made a little party :) but unhappyly i don't have found a girl in my bed when i have awakened :(

but to stay on the topic , about the new build.

i have add the new version of the colormatrix and kerneldeint filters in the archive.

i still need to improve the subtitle part, actually it allow to add vobsub and text subtitles, but i add some improvement in the next build (such as only keeping forced subtitle or allow to made a preview of the text subtitle, or add a delay on the subtitle)

Q : How i see the futur ?
A : for the futur releases i will improve the subtitle part first , after i will improve the audio part (clean code dts support and add mono codec), and after i will improve the ripping panel (dvd with multiangle ...).

for the matroska support it will surely be added but after autorv10 will be enought stable and with all the needed options.

i have start to clean and add some speed/memory optimisations so i think this release should be really optimized :)

url :
-----
(full version)
http://dark.pluridis.org/downloads/Autorv10_v1.0.zip
(update)
http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b7_update.zip

remember that if you like this tool u could made a donation HERE (http://dark.pluridis.org/paypal.php) :)

how to :
--------
install the full version, and after decompress the update (beta 7) archive in the same folder and overwrite the old files.

changelog :
-----------
- remove undot filter and now use removegrain.
- you need to have the administrator rights to launch the application.
- catch and display the "real producer" error messages.
- added chroma mode decision option by default.
- add the audio bitrate HE-AAC at 32 and 48 kbps
- possibility to use an highter complexity (EHQ=65) during the first pass.
- now the EHQ value by default is 85.
- add an option to turn off the screen after 5 min of inactivity.
- possibility to enter float value for the desired ouput size.

- fix bug in the chapter extraction, and if the chapter is skipped if shorter than 5 sec.
- fix bug if there is more than 9 ifo on the dvd.
- fix bug in avisyntherror.dll who can result in a crash after displaying too more avisynth error msg.
- fix bug in the vobsub preview ("bad data aligned")

hubereevez

5th December 2004, 01:55

:D :D :D :D :D

ouéééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééé

great, thanks ......;

oups, you forgot the hybridfupp filter :p

hubert

edit : erf it bugs : "erreur d'exécution "6" dépassemnt de capacité when i add a job"

karl_lillevold

5th December 2004, 07:11

Great news, but when I set up a job, and pressed the "Add Job" button, I got "Runtime error '6' Overflow" and the AutoRV10 exited :( Any ideas?

damrod

5th December 2004, 09:39

the pleasure of vb6 ;)

Sirber

5th December 2004, 15:49

Can be anything...

Dark-Cracker

5th December 2004, 16:09

hi,

the bug have been corrected ( i have forget than in vb if you add 2 conditionnal tests in the if, the 2nd test is checked even if the first already return false).

i have add the fixed .exe in the same archive file (still the same url). you just have to re-download it again.

@damrod and sirber
this thread is already enough big plz avoid to post useless msg, thx.

Bye.

karl_lillevold

6th December 2004, 08:20

One step further.. Now, after audio was converted, I got a dialog box saying Producer error: maxBitrate needs to be larger than avgBitrate.. + much more text that I did not write down :( Thoughts?

EDIT: from the Movie.rpjf job file, after separate encoding of Credits:
<avgBitrate type="uint">941000</avgBitrate>
<maxBitrate type="uint">920000</maxBitrate>
so the problem can be avoided by not using separate encoding of Credits.

Dark-Cracker

10th December 2004, 17:42

edit : i think i have found the bug.

Doom9

18th December 2004, 12:10

I guess I just don't know how AutoRV10 checks that but it is throwing a major fit on my machine:

When I install AutoRV with AviSynth, upon startup I get a "You need to install AviSynth 2.5.x" error message. And.. in fact I can no longer play may AviSynth files. So then I installed AviSynth 2.5.5 after AutoRV10 and now I get a "You need to install a YV12 decompressor". Needless to say that this is complete BS, my PC is perfectly capable of handling YV12 content and just in case I've installed the latest XviD build (and I know with certainty that XviD can handle YV12 decoding, and not only for XviD playback).

Valky

18th December 2004, 12:27

For the first time ever, I had this error too "You need to install a YV12 decompressor" when I was trying to start the app.
I know I dont need to install anything and I have not had any problems with earlier builds.

Razorblade2000

18th December 2004, 12:52

there is some helix community yv12 decompressor thingy bundeled with realanime... maybe that's what you need :D

Doom9

18th December 2004, 13:08

instead of having to install yet another real rip package, is there any chance you could post that decompressor for us to try? I'd much appreciate it and I'm sure valky would, too.

Razorblade2000

18th December 2004, 13:47

Kein Problem :D
I attached it, hope it's ok :D

edit: hmm... he DOES display something when I edit the post (Keep current attachment ( yuvcodecs.zip ))...
but it isn't visible for others 0_o
Does it have to be accepted by an admin/mod first?

Doom9

18th December 2004, 13:54

Does it have to be accepted by an admin/mod first?Yes it does. Thanks for posting. Too bad I can't try it right now as I'm encoding and I'm a bit afraid installing filters might have an adverse effect on that.

hellfred

18th December 2004, 14:01

I can help great mr doom9 himslef?
Great!
The Helix codec is available <drums rolling> in your very own forum (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56972). It is a vfw codec, so maybe that is the problem with letting xvid do the colour scace transformation from th YV12 to the I420 colourspace.
I think I once tried to enable ffdshows raw decoding support in the vfw configuration, but i have forgotten weather that worked, too, or not. So you can check that one before installing any Helix binaries.

By the way, do you know some basic german?
Here (http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/54377) is a link anouncing that Cyberlink (http://gocyberlink.com/english/index.jsp) has a
MPEG4 AVC encoder application (http://www.gocyberlink.com/english/cyberstore/product_order.jsp?ProdId=89) for sale.

Hellfred

hellfred

18th December 2004, 14:02

Damit, i was too slow :(
EDIT: No fame for me for helping doom9 himself :( :(
EDIT: Not even recieving any sign of attention by his Higness
*hellfred wanders off sobbing*
:D

karl_lillevold

18th December 2004, 17:29

I think D-C used to include the YV12 codec in his installer. Now it is simply listed as one of the three downloads on the first page in this thread. This probably indicates it would be a good idea to again include it in his installer. :)

Dark-Cracker

18th December 2004, 18:56

hi,

in fact the yv12 error msg is just a check on the registry key :

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, "Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32", "VIDC.YV12

i don't know exactely how avisynth react if it doesn't found an yv12 decompressor (i think i will try with YUV and if it fail it will try with RGB).
so to avoid problem of multiple colorspace conversion i have add a check on this registry key (installed when you install xvid or helixyv12 codec who will be included in the final installer). if someone know a better check to know if the yv12 colorspace will be correctely decompressed, let me know the tip.

for the avisynth error it's because my nsis script is bugged this will be solved with the next install script.

PS : a new build will be released soon, i will try to made it quickly if you need a binary soon.

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Doom9

18th December 2004, 19:10

installed when you install xvid or helixyv12 codec who will be included in the final installerActually, I tried installing XviD. I already had Koepi's 1.1 build installed, then I tried Nic's and finally Koepi's 1.0.2 and I kept getting the same error. It'll be another 1.5 hours then I can try installing the real codec and see where that gets me.

Dark-Cracker

18th December 2004, 21:33

hi,

a quick build to fix the bugs reported from the beta 7.

link :
------
http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b7.1_update.zip

changelog :
-----------
- fix one little bug if the .pass is really huge
- fix bug with the maxbitrate when you use endcredits
- disbable the yv12 error msg (be sure you have an yv12 decompressor)
- add the new erv4.dll (latest RV10 codec dll)
- i have finaly add some code in my "exit buttons" :) :) :)

@doom9
plz use this build , i have also disable the yv12 error msg. else if you install the helixyv12 codec you will not have this error msg.

Bye.

Bye.

Valky

19th December 2004, 01:18

Things are working again, so thanks for this quick-fix.
I didn't have to intall any additional codecs (I know I had them anyway).

Hmm.. managed to get an error. Error number '13' 'type incompatible' or something like that.

edit: I found the problem. I was testing with very short video and I used the same script first with file limit 1mb (0.151bits) and next testing I didn't want to use 2mb cause this would have gave me too big 0.302 bits. Program accepted filelimit setting 1.5mb and it would have gave me 0.227 bits, but it always gave me that error when it should have started encoding.

This isn't a big issue cause people don't usually use that kind of filelimits but cause it accepted that value I thought it should work.

Dark-Cracker

19th December 2004, 02:45

hi,

i think you have got this error because you have try to enter a float number file size but with the wrong separator.

perhaps you have used the character "," instead of "." ?

i will add some check error in the textbox later :)

EDIT : in fact if you use the separator "." for the float it will not work you should use the comma "," so i think "1,5" should work.
i will try to fix this when i found a few minute :)

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Doom9

19th December 2004, 12:40

@Dark-Cracker: thanks for the new build, though I'm already well into encoding.. I installed the codec to be done with it.

Valky

19th December 2004, 13:03

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker

EDIT : in fact if you use the separator "." for the float it will not work you should use the comma "," so i think "1,5" should work.
i will try to fix this when i found a few minute :)

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Actually I tried with both separators, but when trying to use comma the value in bit-box didn't change like it did when using dot. That's why I thought I chose the right separator.

Doom9

19th December 2004, 14:24

I do have a feature suggestion: check the available space.. I just wasted the last 14 hours because I didn't check if there was enough HD space (serves me to use a notebook as encoding machine).. and not even realproducer aborted.. it simply wrote a 500mb file instead of a 1400mb one.

Dark-Cracker

19th December 2004, 15:15

@valky
it's perhaps because it search in the local setting the separator ( dot for english country and coma for european country), i will solve this bug for the next build :)

@doom9
yes you are right i think this option could be usefull , i have add it to my todolist.

EDIT : by curiosity do you use the Standard Curve compression or the AltCC option ?

Bye.

Doom9

19th December 2004, 15:34

EDIT : by curiosity do you use the Standard Curve compression or the AltCC option ?standard as suggested by karl

Valky

20th December 2004, 09:41

I was little bit surprised to see my final result was 6 mb oversized when target was 350 mb (dvd, ac3 audio). I have never had any problems before with this tool, but it was the first time I used this setting '100 insane'.

Dark-Cracker

20th December 2004, 15:06

hi,

yes it's strange, it's perhaps because you source is hard to compress, if you want you can try to re-do only the second pass (when you click on add job you can select the first .pass file and when it will ask if you want to keep the scaled value you answer NO) keep the same params but with a size lower else you can also disable the AltCC and use the Linear Scaling it will perhaps work more accurate.

Bye.

ookzDVD

23rd December 2004, 03:28

@DC

To be honest, the AutoRV10 is the most complete & easy solution for DVD into RV at least for me. Two thumbs up for your program!

I wonder someday your program will be more similar like AutoGK which
does automatic field detection, automatic resize, etc.

No more manual work to do except ripping the DVD use the DVD Decrypter in IFO mode.

Thank you.

Dark-Cracker

23rd December 2004, 04:08

hi,

@ookzDVD

thank u for you nice words :) i am always glad when i see my work is apreciated and usefull for other peoples :)

about the *auto* feature there is still a lot of room to improve them, for the moment i have add a "basic" frame analyser who detect the percent of FILM, Interlaced or telecined frame i think however hybrid material are not really well detected, for the resolution there is an auto-crop (who select the black bars / it analyse 5 frame to detect the correct values instead of using the autocrop avisynth filter), i have also work on a way to suggest the best resize resolution (once you have made a compressibility test it analyse the avg quatizer).
of course these functions are not perfect because it requiere a lot of time to made some tests and to find the correct threshold to use for an accurate result. i think len0x have spend a lot of time to made some tests, and in my case i don't have really much time to develop my softwares so for the moment i will try to improve other features (like a better subtitle support, DTS support, or improve ripping functions) and after i will try to improve this :)

Bye.

23rd December 2004, 21:19

Hi DC. Thanks also from me for this tool it has made my encoding life so much easyer. : )

Right now, with the latest beta, I'm getting my Favourite error again.

Settings: For LOTR-ROTK extended edition (2 DVDs).

-AMD optimisations
-PAL 16:9
-Anamorphic resise with keep croped resolution
-No Field filter (progressive source)
-removegrain
-Normal motion
-First pass higher complexity
-E.H.Q. 100
-Idle Process Priority

Heeps of space every where, NTFS, win XP SP1 and SP2. This has happened on 2 machines one with an output file size of 4680MB useing a single .d2v
and the other with 2 .d2v/jobs (finalsizes of around 2250MB)

Blade Runner went ok with very simmilar settings;

-Decomb Field filter
-finnalsize=1850MB

I'm going to try it now with the b7 /softs;/avs and the b6 exe;ini;cfg;dll

Dark-Cracker

23rd December 2004, 22:01

hi,

i suggest you to test with the following :

- install the full version
http://dark.pluridis.org/downloads/Autorv10_v1.0.zip
- install the update beta 7.1
http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_v1.0_b7.1_update.zip
- install the fix (overwrite the old .exe with this new one)
http://dark.pluridis.org/AutoRV10_tmp.zip

the beta 7.1 have fix the overflow error msg when you have a big .pass file (=> when you have a long movie).

the third fixed .exe is to avoid overflow error when you use and ouput desired size bigger than 3072 mb.

some people who encode some hdtv movie for an output size of dvd (4489 mb) have report me this error and i think the third .exe have fixed this matter.

remember you can re-use the first stat .pass file this will avoid you to re-do the first pass.

in any case thank you for the bug report :)

PS : just in case : when you encode with an output size bigger than 2GB don't use endcredits else rmeditor will failed to open such bigger file.

PS2 : let me know if this solve you problem :)

PS3 : it's perhaps time for me to made a full working installer :)

Bye.

ookzDVD

24th December 2004, 02:15

@DC,

Thank you for your reply.

Glad to know you still have "energy" to improve your program :)

I know the "auto" feature is need more time to try and test
than time to program itself. :) But I believe someday you have
some time to make that happen! :)

I'm agree with you (like a better subtitle support, DTS support, or improve ripping functions) is in your priority.

Thank You.

25th December 2004, 11:46

Wow. I really appreciate the speed of your work.

I thought you might like an up date.
The b6 attempts failed with the same error while your latest build worked flawlessly for the 2x 2250MB encode.The 'all in 1' 4680MB encode just finnished now and is split at 3.9G even though it was in a NTFS partition, a fail safe for fat32 I guess? Now all I have to do is figure out how to join a 3.9G file to a 690MB one. : )

BTW I'm really likeing the high quality encodes that you can get with 'Anamorphic resize' and 'keep cropped resolution'

Are there any other tweeks to my settings that I could be doing for these type of back ups? Any thing to the advanced codec settings? And correct me if I'm wrong but with 'keep cropped resolution' there is no resizeing done so Lancoz vs Bicubic would make no difference?

And thanks once again for your great tool.

Dark-Cracker

25th December 2004, 20:01

hi,

yes i think the 3.9 Gb problem come from the producer (limited at 4gb it's perhaps a safe limitation for fat32, it seems to me i have speak about this problem with karl and it seems to me it was a limitation for linux ??? but i will ask him again later).

I don't know how to made a such join (even if you move the file on a ntfs disk , rmeditor can't open file bigger than 2gb :( ) i think the best solution is to re-do the second pass with an output size of 3990 mb .

in anamorphic keep cropped res mode the filter resize is ignored.

i think some good time for such high encode could be :

AltCC with auto calc at light, and agressivity at Slow.
and i think a litte Xsharpen could improve slighthy the details.

i think there is no other *general* tweak to improve such HD encode :)

thank you for the bug report these fixes will be added in the next releases :)

Bye.

26th December 2004, 10:31

Cheers DC I'll try those settings.

Another couple of Qs;

-With Xsharpen. If I'm useing 'removegrain' might I also use 'Reduce Noise Amplification' with a light Xsharpen? Or would that be more for lower bit rates?

-If I change my 'Curve Agression' from Medium to Slow can I still reuse my first pass file?

Thank you.

calinb

26th December 2004, 12:40

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
it seems to me i have speak about this problem with karl and it seems to me it was a limitation for linux ??? but i will ask him again later). I don't know why there would be this limitation for Linux running any of the popular and modern filesystems.

I too am having much better results with your latest test build. One job, that previously had the error 6, completed. My 4489MB jobs are not yet finished, though. Great work, darkcracker :)

@ #2 - you might try to re-mux to matroska, or even ogm. Then try to read/append the files into vdubmod 1.5.10. I've had some luck using directstream copy to join mp4 ASP files this way. I'll let you know if a figure out a method.

Dark-Cracker

26th December 2004, 16:36

hi,

@#2
it's not needed to use "reduce noise amplification" with xsharpen for such hight bitrate :)

yes even if you change some tweak in the altCC you can still reuse you first pass (autorv10 write the *new* scaled frame size value in the .pass file without overwritting the original frame size, and when you re-use a first stat .pass file if autorv10 detect such a file was already scaled it will ask you if you want to keep these value or not, if you select not it will overwrite the .pass file without the scaled value and when it will start the second pass it will scaled the file with the AltCC settings, hum i hope it's enough clear even with my poor english :) ).

and i think the better solution to join the two file is to use mkvmerge and get an output matroska file (attention it will strip some rmvb information like chapters or tag, so if you have use them think to add them again in mkvmerge GUI).

PS : apparently realproducer have split you file in two part can you plz post the name of the 2 file ? (i think it have generate a name like xxx_20041220 by adding the date and perhaps time in the filename).

@calinb
happy to heard it work also for you :)
i am not sure if the previous realproducer were running under linux so perhaps if it's a start they have add a limitation and wait to fix it later. i will let you know if i found more information on this :)

PS : i think you have made some bigger backup so i am interested to know if you have encountered some filesize limitation/problems ?

Bye.

26th December 2004, 19:59

Thanks Cal. I remuxed to .mkv with mkvmerge then used avimux to join and then mkvmerge to mux the audio. (Could possibly use AVIMux for the whole lot if your not useing an AAC audio stream)

During the encode I trimed the 2 black frames of the end of the first disc and the audio is in sync for the whole film. I must say I am pritty happy with the results. : )

For DC. My file names.
LOTR-ROTKallin1_Movie.rmvb
LOTR-ROTKallin1_Movie1.rmvb
Sorry no dates in them.

Re. the first pass file. I guess I should have asked which settings I should NOT change if I want the first pass file to still be worth useing to save time.

I'm guessing I can change any filters on the filters page but not resolution/cropping or frame count?

If I change the final file size then the first pass file will still save time? Just the output size will be over writen?

I'm not sure about changing the codec settings either; EHQ complexity, first pass complexity, advanced codec settings, dupe filter, black filter etc.

Cheers
#2

Dark-Cracker

26th December 2004, 21:37

>which settings I should NOT change if I want the first pass file to still be worth useing to save time.

when you open the first stat .pass file autorv10 check if the following params are correct :

- detect if the realvideo stat version file is correct.
- check if the number of frames is equal.
- check if the FPS is equal.
- check if the resolution is equal.

as soon as the following values stored in the .pass are equal at the input video you can re-use the .pass file. there is no check on the crop or the filter used, so you can change them (slightly) from the first pass to the second pass without *problem* (attention : filters change the compressibility so this can *potentially* disturb the bits redistribution for the second pass).

you can change final size, EHQ level, and AltCC params without problems.

"first pass EHQ" will be ignored because the first pass will be skipped because you re-use the .pass file :)

for the realvideo filters (like DropDupe and black filter) i think there is no problem too.

but in any case if you re-use a .pass file it's always better to reuse the same filters, and only change EHQ, final size and AltCC params.

Bye.

IgorC

27th December 2004, 02:33

i have a version 1.0.6 (downloading update right now) Does it use a last updated codec RV10?
i put in properties ¨Delete temporal files¨ but it didn´t delete them.

can anybody suggest me how enchased RV10 for high bitrate? 3-3.5 Mbits

Source: NTSC 29.9 fps 740x480 no noisy, most scences are high-motion.

Dark-Cracker

27th December 2004, 05:28

hi,

yes latest beta come with the new erv4.dll file (latest rv10 codec).
"delete tempory file" is not actually completely finished so it will work better in the futur releases :)

my personnal (i can't take responsability :) ) settings for HD encoding :

RV10 HD => use anamorphic resize (keep cropped resolution) be sure you crop values are not ODD.

perhaps a ligh xsharpen filter to improve sharpness.

removegrain filter genraly doesn't harm.

use kerneldeint for IVTC if needed.

EHQ = 100 / highter EHQ for first pass.

if you encode a short movie ( around 1H30 or below) use AltCC with autocalc at full and agressivity at slow.
if the movie is >1H30 i suggest AltCC with autocalc medium and agressivity at fast.

hope these few suggestions can help you :)

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calinb

27th December 2004, 10:06

Originally posted by #2
Thanks Cal. I remuxed to .mkv with mkvmerge then used avimux to join and then mkvmerge to mux the audio. (Could possibly use AVIMux for the whole lot if your not useing an AAC audio stream)

Hey, thank you #2. I hadn't found time to try it myself but, after your success, I did. :) I even used the GUIs for mkvmerge and avimux and they worked great. I thought maybe avimux would have trouble with the AAC, but it seems to mux it okay, after doing the initial mux of the files with mkvmerge. I now have my first 4489MB file created with AutoRV10--actually, it's about 4MB oversize in both mkv and rvmb files but now we know how to do it :)...and thanks to dark-cracker for supporting large files. Now, if we can just get RN to do something about the silly 3.9G limiation we can reduce the steps.

27th December 2004, 12:10

This is great. So many Questions that I've wanted to know are now being answered.

Just to clarify this DC;

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
if you encode a short movie ( around 1H30 or below) use AltCC with autocalc at full and agressivity at slow.
if the movie is >1H30 i suggest AltCC with autocalc medium and agressivity at fast.

Do you mean;

if you encode at a 'high quality (bits/frm*pxl)' use AltCC with autocalc at strong (full?) and agressivity at slow.
if the movie is encoded at lower quality (bits/frm*pxl) i suggest AltCC with autocalc medium and agressivity at fast?

By "if you encode a short movie" I'm asuming you mean that for a given file size, say 2 CDs, a short movie would then have a higher bits/frm*pxl. And you then adjust the 'Auto. Calc.' and 'Curve Agression' settings based on the encodes 'Quality' (bits/frm*pxl)

Or were you saying that the running time of a film has an influence on the 'Auto. Calc.' and 'Curve Agression' settings.

I assume that you mean the first. And if so the sugestion you gave me for high my high 'quality' (0.235 bits/frm*pxl) encodes was;
Auto. Calc.=Light
Curve Agression=Slow

But above you sugest
Auto. Calc=full (I guess you mean Strong?)
Curve Agression=Slow

So I guess I'm a bit confused.

-Did you mean Strong not full
-Did you mean bits/frm*pxl or actual running time.
-Would you still sugest;
Auto. Calc.=Light
Curve Agression=Slow
For my 0.235 bits/frm*pxl encode of a 4hr+ film.

Thanks again this has been very informative

P.S. I'm glad to hear it worked for you Cal esp. with AAC. Ditto on the 3.9 GB Real splitting.

Dark-Cracker

27th December 2004, 18:14

hi,

in fact i have speak about lenght of movie just to separate the 2 cases :
- an easy compressibility.
- a movie hard to compress.

i think you can speak about Quality (bits/frm*pxl) even if in this case the resolution doesn't matter.

i will explain a bit better the AltCC params :)

Auto Calculation => calculate the high and low % from average frame size.
the params (Light / Medium / Strong) are some threshold to compute these %
- Light => count all the frames.
- Medium => exclude some frames (ignore some "unnaturally high" framesizes)
- Strong => exclude more frames.

for example with a short sample you have these values :
- Light => 600% / 250%
- Medium => 300% / 200%
- Strong => 250% / 190%

these high/low distance % are used in the bitrate redistribution, Lowering the low distance will move the preference towards low bitrate frames. Raising the high distance will move the preference towards high bitrate frames.

Curve aggression defines how quickly the codec adapts bitrate to frames.
the params (Slow / Medium / Fast) are the speed of bitrate redistribution.

A fast aggression will help the codec aid low bitrate frames while hurting high bitrate frames and is better for very dynamic scenes (i.e. a slow motion scene, then up to a lot of motion very quickly). Slow aggression adapts slower and won't improve low bitrate frames as much, but will not harm high bitrate frames much either.
Medium aggression is a compromise of the two.
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1)
in you case i think >=0.23 bits/frm*pxl
Auto. Calc.=Light
Curve Agression=Slow

it will result in a no agressive redistribution.

2)
and below :
Auto. Calc.=Strong
Curve Agression=Fast

this will result in a redistribution of hight bitrate toward the low bitrate frame size.

the case 1) is what i call a short movie , case 2) is what i call a long movie. :)

PS : feel free to post another question , i am actually working on a FAQ :)

Bye.

tiki4

28th December 2004, 09:58

Hi D-C,

I just saw your FAQ. Very nice work!

Best wishes,

tiki4

Dark-Cracker

28th December 2004, 18:08

thank you :)

the faq is here : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87270

and it's still under construction but if you find some usefull question/answer to add feel free.

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calinb

29th December 2004, 06:28

Originally posted by #2
During the encode I trimed the 2 black frames of the end of the first disc and the audio is in sync for the whole film. I must say I am pritty happy with the results. : )#2: How did you trim the 2 frames? I'm happy with the results and our file joining method usually works for me, but I have one encode where the 2nd part has audio 1000ms ahead of the video. Other encodes are perfect. Weird! I'm unfamilar with RV10 tools and directstream copy in Vdubmod leaves me with a corrupted file. Thanks!

29th December 2004, 09:30

For Cal.

Originally posted by calinb
I have one encode where the 2nd part has audio 1000ms ahead of the video.

This sounds like there's 1 second of video missing at the change over (or 1 sec of audio padded). So it doesn't sound to me like trimming more video will help you. : ]

3 ways to trim; (especially for 2+DVD encodes)

1- Untick the last chapter while useing DVD Decrypter on all but the last DVD. (Not the most reliable method)

2- Use rmeditor.exe to trim post compression. (Reliable but not frame accurate and only for sub 2GB files : (

3- Add a trim line below the source line of your AVS ('Edit Script AVS' button in AutoRV10 'Add Job' dialoge)

Video=Trim(Video,Start Frame,End Frame)
For Example;

# VIDEO SOURCE
Video=Mpeg2Source("F:\RIPS\LOTR-ROTK\D2\LOTR-ROTKallin1.d2v", idct=2 )
Video=Trim(Video,0,183534)

Or you can cheat and set your end credits to your desired 'end frame' and then use the Film_Movie.rmvb
(Frame accurate but obviously slow)

Originally posted by calinb
I'm unfamilar with RV10 tools

Methods for useing rmeditor

- Add the attached file (Open Cmd Prompt Here for NT/2000/XP/2003) to you registry. Unless you already have this.

-Copy the file you want to split/trim to your ...\Autorv10\Softs\Rp9_Light directory.

-OR Add ;"Drive:\Path\To\Autorv10\Softs\Rp9_Light" to your PATH. Right click My Computor -> Properties -> Advanced tab -> Enviorment variables -> Select Path -> Edit -> scroll to end -> add your path to rmeditors folder including the ";" separator(Useing this method you can use rmeditor from any directory with out haveing to copy a potentialy large file to your System partition)

-Right click on the directory with your file in it and select cmdhere.

-Type "rmeditor" in the cmd prompt for useage help. It's easy really.

For example.
rmeditor -i LOTR.rmvb -o LOTRTrimmed.rmvb -s 00:00:00:000 -e 02:12:14.855

(You can get the start and end time from Ctrl+G in MPC when paused at the right frame)

Don't worry it took me 3 months to get my encode of the Starship Troopers flipper right. ;)
Hope that helps.

P.S Fantastic start to your FAQ DC that really helps a lot.

calinb

29th December 2004, 19:51

#2, Thanks for the tutorial. Your post gave me some ideas. I'm encoding HD transport streams so there's no DVDDecrypter step. I'm trying to avoid re-encoding so I'll try trimming about 1 sec of video with rmediator or adding 1 sec of sound with BeSweet. Re-encdoding the AC3 sound won't take long. Luckily, the break is in a place in the movie where it won't be noticed :) Even though it's not frame accurate, I might get lucky with rmediator.

Update:

The sync problem was associated with using avi-muxGUI to join and mux the producer split files containing real audio sound. Actually, I was surprised when avimuxGUI almost worked.

So I encoded the original AC3 to AAC with Nero to try it again. I remuxed the fully joined video file using mkvmerge and no sync problems :). I didn't need to edit the video stream at all. If dark-cracker can convince Real to remove this 3.9G limitation we'd have a pretty sweet point and shoot ap for making full DVD-R/+R HD videos.

To summarize what works for me for an output filesize > 3.9GB:

1. Use AutoRV10 to encode video only (no audio).

2. Use an audio encoding ap of choice to encode audio (or just keep AC3/DTS or whatever.

3. Use mkvmerge mmg/GUI to remux the 2 rmvb files to 2 mkv files.

4. Use avimuxGUI to join the 2 mkv files and remux with audio, if the audio is compatible with avimuxGUI.

5. Use mkvmerge mmg/GUI to mux audio to the mkv file produced by avimuxGUI (joined file), if not done in step 4 (AAC, for instance).

karl_lillevold

31st December 2004, 19:36

calinb: Thanks for doing all these experiments!

In Step 1) above, did you encode the video in two parts to end up with two files, both < 3.9 GB in size?

I have to refresh my memory (by talking to the right person) how hard it is to fix the 4GB file size limit, but I worry that it is quite problematic. It might be field in the RM file format that is 32 bit, and RMFF itself must be changed. The 2GB limit in Rmeditor is a programming problem, but the Producer team is extremely limited in resources and will not update the old rmeditor code.

I wonder if it is possible for AutoRV10 to use the mkvwriter output plugin to output directly to Matroska, thus having no filesize problems at all, and significantly simplifying the process outlined above..

I think using Matroska is the best solution for now. The 4GB filesize limit will not be fixed soon.

calinb

2nd January 2005, 09:58

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
calinb: Thanks for doing all these experiments!

In Step 1) above, did you encode the video in two parts to end up with two files, both < 3.9 GB in size? Yes. My target filesize is 4.38 GB (single DVD-R) and I always end up with one file of 3.9 GB and the "overflow" in a 2nd file.

Another method for ease of use and close to full DVD-R bit utilization would be to not encode the audio and keep the AC3 as a separate file on the DVD-R. Encode the video right up to the 3.9 GB limit. MPC can load external audio files automatically. No remux hassle :) A matroska plugin solution would be much better though, obviously.

Dark-Cracker

3rd January 2005, 08:35

hi,

hum if i right remember the matroska plugin have still some problems :(
i will try to see later if there is a better way but i think for the moment huge encode will still need the previous trick.

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5th January 2005, 04:01

To further the High Definition encode discussion.

What I have been doing to date is setting the bits/frm*pxl to 0.235 for all sources. However due to the continuium of sources' compressibility based on the ammount of detail and motion in it. This will generate a different visual 'quality' for each encode??

I gather from what I've read on your compressibility test in earlyer posts if you get a 'compressibility' result of 100% from a test useing 100% of 'movie percent used' then you can be sure that the source will be encoded to 'max' quality with producer in quality=75 mode (used to be quality=83). Is this correct?

If this is correct then for the sources I've tested. I end up with large file sizes at 'max' Quality (100% Comp. test result) :

Blade Runner;
2843MB
0.362 bits/frm*pxl

A Time For Dancing;
2701MB
0.285 bits/frm*pxl

ROTK (Ext. ed.);
8697MB
0.336

Dead Man;
2981MB
0.443 bits/frm*pxl

Also I've noticed that the greater the percentage of a source I use the higher the 'Compressibility' results tend to be.

eg. Dead Man: 5%=57.9 15%=57.9 50%=60.1 80%=61.8 100%=63.9
I got similar results (4% - 8% increase in 'Compressibility' from 5% 'movie percent used' to 100% 'movie percent used') for other sources as well.

So I'm guessing I could be better to set my finnal file size for a 60% - 70% 'Comp. test' result than to just religiously sick to a 0.235 bits/frm*pxl setting.

Also what might be a min. 'Comp.test' result that would still be compatable with the type of HD encodes we've been talking about here. ('light' / 'slow', Anamorphic, Keep Cropped, kerneldeint, EHQ = 100 / higher EHQ for first pass, Xsharpen)

P.S. Is 'Use chroma mode decision' good for HD?

P.P.S Are there any more strings that I can use in the Settings.cfg file to change the defaults to say 'removegrain', AltCC settings, Anamorphic, Keep Cropped, EHQ = 100 / higher EHQ for first pass, etc.

Thanks : )

#2

karl_lillevold

5th January 2005, 20:29

#2: Sorry I can not be of much help.. I generally do not use the comp. test. I have found that for SD anamorphic encodes when viewed on my Samsung DLP via DVI, 0.235 bits/pixel looks very nice. Lower motion content, even 0.2 or a little lower is OK. I always use HFE2 for playback, no sharpening for anamorphic.

I have not yet played around with encoding HD for viewing on that TV though.

The reason compressibility increases when you use more of the source for the the comp test, is that the scene changes then become less frequent. This makes the source easier to compress.

I would also suggest you use EHQ 85 and 50 for 1st pass for HD. This will save you a bunch of time, without any noticable loss in quality. Chroma mode decision should improve the quality for strong chroma videos, both SD and HD, and never hurt for any videos.

I would be curious which bits/pixel number you end up with, if you target 60-70% comp test final file size ....

5th January 2005, 22:57

Thanks Karl.

You've just inspired me to use HFE2 for the first time. (I take it is not included in RealPlayer 10-5?)

Nice explanaton on the Comp. test discrepency. I'm thinking with a bit of experience one might be able to fairly well guess the result of a "Select movie percent used=100%" test from the results of a "Select movie percent used=10%" test. (eg. +3-6% for high motion source +6-9% for a low motion source)

So you think EHQ=85 and the default 50 for the first pass? I'll run some speed tests and see if I can spot the difference visually.

While on the subject... please excuse a potentially silly question but if we are not too worried about exact final file size, just a Quality setting of around 70%. Could we not run a "One Pass VBR" or "One Pass Quality" encode? Or will it just not be as clever with its bit-rate redistribution and also end up with larger than nesessary files?

The bits/pxl figures for a 70% Quailty target are.... Just 70% of the 100% Quality figure.. : ) All those Comp. tests were useing 100% of the source and calculated for 100% Quality.

Blade Runner
0.253 bits/pxl

A Time for Dancing
0.2 bits/pxl

ROTK (Ext. ed.)
0.235 bits/pxl

Dead Man
0.31 bits/pxl

Dead Man is a bit of a suprise as it is B/W and very low motion. (although high grain)

Is "Max" quality still calculated with producer in quality=75 mode?

calinb

6th January 2005, 03:57

Originally posted by #2

Also I've noticed that the greater the percentage of a source I use the higher the 'Compressibility' results tend to be. Karl addressed this perfectly, but I'd like to submit my observations on the subject of bitrate and compressibility--I'm sure you'll find many opinions here in the forums, though :)

Whatever metric you choose to determine your bitrate, it will be imperfect. Compressibility tests merely enable you to compare a proposed bitrate against the maximum bitrate realized with a fixed or "standard" set of quantizer values. The perceived quality realized when encoding different sources at identical compressibility percentages, (identical fractions of the "standard" bitrate) varies tremendously. The Q used for the 1st pass is arbitrary too. Take a look at all the discussions of first pass quantizer selection against XVID encoder frame size when using high bitrate CQMs here in the doom9 forums. You'll get a feel for how inexact and arbitary any comp test can be. Bottom line: some videos look great at low percentages of the comp test and others look like crap.

Other metrics are probably no better or worse than a comp test. Because bitrate demands do not vary linearly with pixel count or framerate, no single metric or resulting value is perfect. (At least not the simple ones I've come across.) For example, some people use bits/pixel*frame, but this metric fails to account for the fact that bitrate requirements don't vary linearly with increasing framerate. A video inverse-telecined from 30 fps down to 24 fps needs more than 80% of the former bitrate, even though the framerate is only 80% of the original. A 30fps video that's frame doubled up to 60fps doesn't require twice the bitrate but, rather, only a somewhat higher bitrate is required. As a thought experiement, consider a framerate approaching infinity. Just because the framerate is huge, is more information present? No. But if you're encoding a bunch of noise or film grain, bitrate requirements just might nearly scale with framerate.

Other people use bits/pixel*sec as a metric to account for the fact that the "information" contained in a given video stream does not increase linerarly with framerate. (0.200 bits/pixel*frame is equivalent to 6.0 bits/pixel*sec at 30fps.) However, this metric probably errs in the other direction. Similarly, the bitrate requirements for different resolutions (more pixels) doesn't scale linearly with pixels. A 1280x720 video might look great at 0.200 bits/pixel*frame, but, if resized to 688x382 before encoding, it might require something closer to 0.250 or 0.300 bits/pixel*frame to look okay.

Rather than doing a comp test, I like to do a two-pass test encode, at my bitrate of choice, using 5% or 10% of the video I figure that the final video will look better, due to less frequent scene changes, as Karl described. If the test video looks good, I encode the entire video. If the quality compares unfavorably to the source, I either guess at a higher bitrate or run another test at a higher bitrate.

I'm interested in other thoughts or even technical discussions supporting my observations. Guess maybe I'm off-topic, given the general nature of my discusssion so we could move any additional discussion elsewhere too.

6th January 2005, 20:04

Thanks calnib.

I think that although your thoughts can apply accross the board. I think they are very relevent here. As trying to find a metric ... to determine your bitrate Is essence of what I was asking.

So, at the moment, what you are saying is that we don't have clever enough automated process that will align its self consistantly with the 'continuium of human perceived visual quality'

That assumed what is best tool, combination of tools or procedure that we have available to us in the current video encodeing world, specifically applied to encoding RV streams with AutoRV10.

My reasoning for useing a Compression test is based on an assumption that producer seems pritty good psyco-visually at desciding where bits should go so why not ask it how many bits it would like. Please excuse my lay terms. ;)

I liked your own procudure of looking at a percentage of the source. For a trained eye this sounds great for desciding bit-rate and filter settings.

For my self one of the things I need is to be able to teach an automated metric to people with, initially, untrained eyes.

So in search of the best currently available automated metric or combo of such we can use to determine our bit-rate for RV streams in AutoRV10....

Under what conditions would you use a;

- Compression test.
- bits/pixel*frame metric.
- bits/pixel*sec metric.
- Is there another process or combo that hasn't been touched on yet?

Also from my previous post;

- If we are not too worried about exact final file size, just a Quality setting of around 70%. Could we not run a "One Pass VBR" or "One Pass Quality" encode? Or will it just not be as clever with its bit-rate redistribution and also end up with larger than nesessary files?

- Is "Max" quality still calculated with producer in quality=75 mode?

Cheers all. :)
#2

Dark-Cracker

8th January 2005, 17:41

hi,

sorry for my late answer but i don't have internet the week.

i will try to answer at all the questions :

@ #2

>Are there any more strings that I can use in the Settings.cfg file to change the defaults ...

for the moment the function who store the previous settings (setting.cfg) doesn't work , i will try to re-enable it for the next build :)

> Is "Max" quality still calculated with producer in quality=75 mode?

max quality is around quantizer 6 & 7 the first pass is made with a max quantizer restriction of 6 for i and p frame and 9 for b frame.
i don't know the quantizer mapping table but it should be around 75% & 80% of quality mode.

> - If we are not too worried about exact final file size, just a Quality setting of around 70%. Could we not run a "One Pass VBR" or "One Pass Quality" encode? Or will it just not be as clever with its bit-rate redistribution and also end up with larger than nesessary files?

* the 1pass quality mode is to encode you video with a fixed quantizer. (max and avg bitrate are ignored)
* the 1 pass VBR is when the codec try to have at the end of the encode the whishes average bitrate.
* the 1 pass CBR is when the codec is forced to encode a frame at a given bitrate. (max bitrate is ignored)

Bye.

11th January 2005, 06:10

Cheers DC

So would a 1 pass VBR encode just potentially end up with a slightly over sized file or do we lose a lot in Quality with guessed bit rate distribution from the start to the end of the film?

A few other bugs(?) to report.

- Can't delete selected job in job list. It only deletes the first one in the list.
- Overflows after multipul Comp. tests. It seems to ignore max memmory usage. Particularly on a machine with no page file.
- Seems to get the decimal wrong ie. creates files that are about 10 x too small when the Quality settings is over 0.245 with Eternal Sunshine and over 0.567 with Dead Man. This happens on 2 machines and with many different filter and codec settings. And only with Video=SelectRangeEvery(Video,1400,14) AVS settings not with a full encode. (I am setting the file size 100 x smaller than a full encode for this 1% test encode)

I found these trying calinbs visual Comp. tests process. Thanks cal.

Hope that helps

#2

Dark-Cracker

11th January 2005, 13:37

Hi,

thank u for the bug report :)

can you explain me the overflow error ? is it an avisynth crash or do you have an VB error msg ? (try to post me the complete error msg , i think it should be somethink like error n°6).

i have a poor english and i am not sure to understand what is the 3th bug. could you plz explain me again and how to reproduce it.

thank you again to take the time to help me to debug this software :)

Bye.

11th January 2005, 20:23

No problem DC.

- Run-time error "6": Overflow

- Run a two-pass test encode, with all your fliter and codec setting just like you were going to do a normal HD encode, but with Video=SelectRangeEvery(Video,1400,14) or Video=SelectRangeEvery(Video,140,14) added to the AVS in the 'Add job' dialogue.

Set the 'Quality' setting to something quite high eg. > 0.245 with Eternal Sunshine or > 0.567 with Dead Man.

Then reduce the final file size by a factor of 10 for Video=SelectRangeEvery(Video,140,14) or a factor of 100 for Video=SelectRangeEvery(Video,1400,14)

Be sure not to use end credit option.

So now if the 'Quality setting is > a certain point (different for each source, see above egs.) then the final file size ends up being about 10 x smaller than what you asked for. eg 2.6MB when you asked for a 26MB file size for say a Video=SelectRangeEvery(Video,1400,14) test encode.

Hope thats clearer

#2

calinb

11th January 2005, 22:23

Originally posted by #2
- Run-time error "6": Overflow#2 I was getting these errors until I installed the 12/23/2004 AutoRV10.exe. Now it only occurs if I prematurely terminate the producer command window, and that's not a problem.

What version are you using, #2? Also, sorry I haven't had time to give more thought to our compressiblity discussion.

12th January 2005, 09:48

Hi Cal.

I'm useing the latest version and it only happens for after multipull Comp. tests. esp. on the machine I've got running no swap.

PS. If I 'end process' from the Task Manager rather than closeing the cmd. window I don't get overflows and loose all my settings.

And yes I would be interested in your thoughts on devloping a clever and clear process to help people new to the progy get in the ball park and on to the plate. ;) It seems to me you have a lot to offer there. I hear you're very busy.. so if the moment grabs you... :)

Cheers
#2

Dark-Cracker

15th January 2005, 21:27

hi,

thank you for the bug report :)

the bad news is that i can't reproduce the overflow error even when i terminate prematurely the application producer.exe , but i will continue to test to eraducate this error.

i will solve the "remove job" bug :)

for the bug with selectrangeevery i think it's not a bug.
when you add the line SelectRangeEvery(Video,140,14) it will only keep 10% of the movie, so if you encode the video with an ouput size of 700 MB , with the selectrangeevery line it will only keep 10% of the frames so at the end you will have a final filesize 10x lower.

Bye.

16th January 2005, 01:54

Thats great DC.

Originaly posted by Dark-Cracker
the bad news is that i can't reproduce the overflow error even when i terminate prematurely the application producer.exe

Have you tried starting a Comp test and then closeing producers CMD window? Works for me on Win XP sp1 and sp2.

Originally posted by #2
(I am setting the file size 100 x smaller than a full encode for this 1% test encode)

Sorry I wish my French was better. ;)

eg.

DEAD MAN encode with SelectRangeEvery(video,1400,14) ie 1% of source;

Quality=0.153, Final File Size=9,993KB
Quality=0.245, Final File Size=16,167KB
Quality=0.337, Final File Size=22,345KB
Quality=0.490, Final File Size=32,659KB
Quality=0.536, Final File Size=35,765KB
Quality=0.567, Final File Size=37,830KB
Quality=0.597, Final File Size=1,627KB ???
Quality=0.613, Final File Size=1,627KB ???
Quality=0.766, Final File Size=1,627KB ???

This happens on every source I've tryed. When ever I use SelectRangeEvery. But not with full encodes.

What I do is set the Quality to say 0.150 and then for a SelectRangeEvery(video,1400,14) 1% encode I set the file size 100 x smaller than a full encode. ie delete the last 2 decimals. So my guess is it is some kind of out of range bug(?)

Cheers
#2

Dark-Cracker

16th January 2005, 14:11

hi,

thank you for the detailled post but could you plz add the "Desired FileSize" and the "Bitrate" in you previous post ?

ex : Quality=X.XXX, Final File Size=X,XXX KB, Desired File Size=XX MB, Bitrate=XXXX KBPS

if you could add the desired file size you have enter for each of your tests and the bitrate calculated by Autorv10 this will help me to know which setting put in the codec panel to reproduce this error and debug it.

For the comptest error it's perhaps because i use a personnal version of autorv10 and i have perhaps already solve this bug.

Bye.

17th January 2005, 01:10

Sure DC. My Pleasure.

DEAD MAN encode with SelectRangeEvery(video,1400,14) ie 1% of source;

Quality=0.153, Bitrate=1193Kbps, Desired FileSize=1000MB, Final FileSize= 9,993KB
Quality=0.245, Bitrate=1908Kbps, Desired FileSize=1600MB, Final FileSize=16,167KB
Quality=0.337, Bitrate=2624Kbps, Desired FileSize=2200MB, Final FileSize=22,345KB
Quality=0.490, Bitrate=3816Kbps, Desired FileSize=3200MB, Final FileSize=32,659KB
Quality=0.536, Bitrate=4174Kbps, Desired FileSize=3500MB, Final FileSize=35,765KB
Quality=0.567, Bitrate=4413Kbps, Desired FileSize=3700MB, Final FileSize=37,830KB
Quality=0.597, Bitrate=4651Kbps, Desired FileSize=3900MB, Final FileSize= 1,627KB ???
Quality=0.613, Bitrate=4770Kbps, Desired FileSize=4000MB, Final FileSize= 1,627KB ???
Quality=0.766, Bitrate=5963Kbps, Desired FileSize=5000MB, Final FileSize= 1,627KB ???

NOTE:

-Remember to reduce your file size by 2 decilmals (1%) before starting the SelectRangeEvery(video,1400,14) encode. eg.
Quality=0.153, Bitrate=1193Kbps, Desired FileSize=1000MB, Final FileSize= 9,993KB
Would look like...
Quality=0.002, Bitrate=12Kbps, Desired FileSize=10MB, Final FileSize= 9,993KB
Before you start the encode.

-The bugging point is different for each source I've tested. eg.
Quality=>0.567 for Dead Man = Undersize Final FileSize.
Quality=>0.245 for Eternal Sunshine = Undersize Final FileSize.

Hope that helps.

20th January 2005, 19:47

I find that for some sources certian crop settings make both a Comp. test and the encode fail. This only happens when 'Keep Cropped Resolution ' is ticked. (Yes the resoultions are both even numbers)

Eg. with a music video reacently if the left and right crop figures added up to 52 or over (eg. L=12,R=40) the producer windows would pop up and then immediatly close resulting in rmvb flies of arround 15-20Kb. I've attached one for you to have a look at.

I've tryed this with Avisynth 255 and the 2 latest alphas.

Hope that helps.

#2

Dark-Cracker

21st January 2005, 08:47

hi,

just a quick msg :) i am still in my courses at school (ADA is too boring :( ).

i have solve your previous bug , in fact i will give you a quick explination :

my altCC function doesn't scale the .pass file when the desiredsize file is above the maxfilesize it doesn't scale the file, i was thinking the rv10 will encode the file with the maxfilesize but instead it will lock the quantizer on max and you will have a little finalfilesize. but apparently when you scale above the maxfilesize the rv10 can still adjust the quantizer above the quantizer given during the first pass (by default : 9 for bf and 6 for pf).

the new bug seems to look like a bad modulo 4 when you crop the video. i will look during the weekend, for this problem.

feel free to post another bugs i will solve them as soon as possible.

Bye.

Ultra_Immortal

25th January 2005, 19:18

Damnit.

Every time I run the program and load up my .d2v file, it keeps on exiting so I can't do anything at all. I downloaded AutoRV10 straight. Is their anything I have to do to fix this problem.

Thanks.

Dark-Cracker

26th January 2005, 09:52

first be sure you are using the last beta (because i have some a bug similar to this previously).

if you are using an old version it surely the avisyntherror.dll who made this problem, rename it and i think it should stop to crash.

let me know if this solve your problem and if you have the latest autorv10 beta.

Bye.

iradic

26th January 2005, 20:51

HI

first sorry if this was answered before, i wasnt using your program since new 1.0 version...

so i wanted to try it now... and now i have some problems :)... after installing 1.0 version it errors me with no yv12 decompressor (although i have helix yv12 codec installed)... after updating with b7 it errors me that i dont have admin rights (i dont understand all this user things but im the only user on my winme ... so is autorv for winme or is this a bug or my fault)...

thans for help bye...

Dark-Cracker

28th January 2005, 08:54

what are your OS (win9X ?) ?

tiki4

28th January 2005, 09:58

winme = Windows Millennium edition, last in the Win9x series.

Cheers,

tiki4

Dark-Cracker

28th January 2005, 10:42

oups i have misread the previous msg :) i think the yv12 error msg and admin error msg are because the API are not the same on win9X and win2k/xp i will made some tests on a win98 and solve this problem.
i will let you know :)

thank u for the bug report.

++

Ultra_Immortal

28th January 2005, 13:29

When I 1st tried the program I used a .d2v file I made a while back for manual Xvid encoding. I am going to decrypt the DVD again how I am supposed to and give it another go and let you know what happens. ^_^

EDIT: Great it works. Thanks Dark-Cracker for trying to help me. ^_^

mlmll

30th January 2005, 10:11

Hi there,

I was looking for a way to rip easily into RV10 (within MKV would be a plus) and decided to give AutoRV10 a try.

Installed it, with the "Avisynth" install option checked. Then unzipped the v1.0 b7.1 update. Well, whenever I start AutoRV10, I get this message box :

You need avisynth v2.5.X !

on which I can only click OK, then AutoRV10 exits.

Couldn't find anything on it in the forums ; can sbd help please ?

TIA :)

hellfred

30th January 2005, 13:38

Originally posted by mlmll
Hi there,

I was looking for a way to rip easily into RV10 (within MKV would be a plus) and decided to give AutoRV10 a try.

Installed it, with the "Avisynth" install option checked. Then unzipped the v1.0 b7.1 update. Well, whenever I start AutoRV10, I get this message box :

on which I can only click OK, then AutoRV10 exits.

Couldn't find anything on it in the forums ; can sbd help please ?

TIA :)
Did you install avisynth on your computer, and a version that is at least 2.5.x?
AviSynth is a tool for filtering and frame serving, used by AutoRV10.
Homepage (http://www.avisynth.org/)

Hellfred

mlmll

30th January 2005, 15:29

Originally posted by hellfred
Did you install avisynth on your computer, and a version that is at least 2.5.x?
AviSynth is a tool for filtering and frame serving, used by AutoRV10.
Homepage (http://www.avisynth.org/)

Hellfred

Sure I did.
1. I had it with Gordiank Knot already
2. As I said, I check the option to install it wile installing AutoRV10
3. Afterwards, I also tried to install the standalone AviSynth, from their site.

MLL

hellfred

31st January 2005, 00:08

Originally posted by mlmll

2. As I said, I check the option to install it wile installing AutoRV10

Sorry, looks like i have missed that one. It's been a time since i last used AutoRV. Does one still have to run a batch-file to register the producer Activx? But i do not know who this could be related to the error message your have provided.
/me clueless noob

Hellfred

Dark-Cracker

31st January 2005, 09:22

hi,

the nsis installer is bugged and not always install correctly avisynth , even after install the standalone version v2.5.6(www.avisynth.org) you have this error ?

i will check this problem this weekend.

Bye.

mlmll

31st January 2005, 12:35

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

the nsis installer is bugged and not always install correctly avisynth , even after install the standalone version v2.5.6(www.avisynth.org) you have this error ?

i will check this problem this weekend.

Bye.

OK, I'm sooo sorry. I said 3. Afterwards, I also tried to install the standalone AviSynth, from their site., but I was mistaken by the way the stuff is sorted on the SF download page (2.0 shows up first, you have to scroll to reach 2.5).

I now really downloaded AviSynth 2.5.5, and everything's OK.

In short, the problem was due to my stupidity and is now fixed. :)

hubereevez

31st January 2005, 14:20

I have the satsuki decoder pack

when trying to annalyse the movie :

"no suitable decompressor found"

why ?

thanks

hubert

Dark-Cracker

31st January 2005, 14:29

do you have the same error when you try to open the "manual crop" window ? can you made a preview of the .avs ?

it look like your OS doesn't have an RGB32 codec , what OS do u use ?

hubereevez

1st February 2005, 00:10

nope : all settings are fine.

I can crop, resize.

I can preview the .avs. Cannot open the .d2v with mpc either.

Just this strange error "with analyse it"

xp pr0 sp2

i send the avs file, but nothing strange in their, i gess.

# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("J:\PROGRA~1\encodage\Autorv10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\DGDECODE.DLL")
LoadPlugin("J:\PROGRA~1\encodage\Autorv10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\COLORMATRIX.DLL")
LoadPlugin("J:\PROGRA~1\encodage\Autorv10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\UNDOT.DLL")
#
# VIDEO SOURCE
Video=Mpeg2Source("F:\encodage\ow\ow.d2v", idct=5 )
#
# CROPPING
Video=Crop(Video,0,12, -0, -8, align=true)
#
# RESIZING
Video=Hybridfupp(Video,720,384,preset="high")
#
# UNDOT FILTER
Video=UnDot(Video)
#
# KEEP MPEG2 Color Conversion
Video=ColorMatrix(Video)
#
# FINISH
Return(Video)

Dark-Cracker

3rd February 2005, 16:14

ok i will speak with you later on msn :) but can u try this :

when you have the error msg (don't click on the ok button) go in the folder "x:\..\Autorv10\Softs\Analyse" and made a copy of the file temp.avs (or a name like this) and try to read it with MPC.

PS : do you open a .avs file or a .d2v file ?

if it's an .d2v input file, do you made an analyse before or after adding the job/editing the .avs ?

Bye.

hubereevez

3rd February 2005, 16:39

tmps.avs :
LoadPlugin("xxxxxxxxxxx\Autorv10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\DGDECODE.DLL")
LoadPlugin("xxxxxxx\Autorv10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\DECOMB.DLL")

percentmovie=10

global sep="."
global combedthreshold=25

#---
function IsMoving(){global b = (diff < 1.0) ? false : true}
#---
function GetPercent(clip x, float percent) {return SelectRangeEvery(x, floor(16./(percent/100.)), 16)}
#---
function AnalyzeFile(clip c)
{
file="xxxxxxxxxxx\interlace.log"

global clip = c

c = WriteFile(c, file, "a", "sep", "b")
c = FrameEvaluate(c, "global a = IsCombed(clip,combedthreshold)")
c = FrameEvaluate(c, "IsMoving")
c = FrameEvaluate(c,"global diff = 0.50*YDifferenceFromPrevious(clip) + 0.25*UDifferenceFromPrevious(clip) + 0.25*VDifferenceFromPrevious(clip)")

return c
}
#---

v = mpeg2source("xxxxxxxxx.d2v")
v = GetPercent(v,percentmovie)
r = AnalyzeFile(v)
return r.Crop(0,0,8,8)

I open a .d2v file.
I made an analyse before adding the job/editing the avs; same error when analysing after

Ciya ++

hubert

Dark-Cracker

3rd February 2005, 16:41

can you open this file tmp.avs with MPC or Vdub without problem ?

hubereevez

7th February 2005, 02:13

nope

Dark-Cracker

7th February 2005, 11:03

nope = no probleme ?

hubereevez

7th February 2005, 12:41

lol

no, I can't

I wonder why, I have all the dll

sorry

hubert

Dark-Cracker

7th February 2005, 14:11

if vdub or mpc can't open the script autorv10 should encounter the same problem.

it's strange the preview work but not the analyse. try to change the "percentmovie" at 100% to test and try to update your avisynth version, and the plugin.

i really don't know why it doesn't work.

++

hubereevez

7th February 2005, 15:37

100 % :same pb
avisynth 2.5.6 beta 1 : same pb
decomb521 : same pb
dgindex 1.2.0 rc2 + dgdecode.dll : not recognize by autorv10

when opening with vdubmod : "could'nt locate decompressor for format 'yv12' (unknown)

I did dl these yv1.2 either

:confused:

thks

hubert

EDIT : WORKs with latest binary from xvid installed!
:) lol
i need xvid to encode in rv10 mouhahahahahahha
yv12 $^*ù*ù$^*ù

Wilbert

8th February 2005, 15:19

i need xvid to encode in rv10 mouhahahahahahha
yv12 $^*ù*ù$^*ù
I don't know much about AutoRV10, but perhaps it needs a YV12 decoder (like VDub/VdubMod does) for previewing?

edit:
it's strange the preview work but not the analyse.
Hmm, ok, i didn't say anthing :)

Dark-Cracker

10th February 2005, 14:19

hi,

@hub
do you have the "Helix yv12" codec installed ? (normaly at start autorv10 made a check to see if the forCC yv12 is registered with a codec.)

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karl_lillevold

17th February 2005, 01:31

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
yes i think the 3.9 Gb problem come from the producer (limited at 4gb it's perhaps a safe limitation for fat32, it seems to me i have speak about this problem with karl and it seems to me it was a limitation for linux ??? but i will ask him again later).
I was encoding some HD content, and ran into the 4 GB problem myself. If you want to control the split size at a finer granularity than 4 GB, there is an option in Producer to start a new output file when the filesize reaches a certain size:

Destination File Roll Size (-drs)
Use the -drs option to set an file size limit in Megabytes that causes RealProducer to create a new output file. The section "File Rolling" explains how file rolling works. The following example sets a roll size of 20 Megabytes:

-drs 20

More details from Producer documentation:

File Rolling
File rolling allows you to create multiple RealMedia files for a single output clip. Each new file is appended with a number. The output clip movie.rm might be saved as movie.rm, movie1.rm, movie2.rm, and so on. Rolling happens automatically when the clip reaches the RealMedia file format limit (4 GB), or the maximum size allowed by the operating system:

2 or 4 Gigabytes on Windows
2 Gigabytes on Linux

You can also specify limits to the file size using the destinationRollSize property. A value of 30, for example, creates a new output clip from the file or live input when the current clip reaches 30 Megabytes in size.

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I guess the main problem with multiple files is the delay when changing from file to file in a playlist, and it is always preferable to contain everything within one file. I should test the Producer -drs option more carefully to check for a/v sync and playlist changing delay...