Old AutoRV10 discussion (closed)

[Dark-Cracker]

yes i will try to find a solution :)

Bye.

[Ramirez]

Hey DC, sorry couldn't replay earlier,:) Yes the mem usage is better now (dropped from 140 to 60),so I guess there's still some unresolved issues for you to fix,and no,the Avisynth editor window is still not updated.

[Dark-Cracker]

the beta 3 is out :

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/AutoRV9_v1.3b3.zip

Changelog :
--------------

- change latency at 60 sec.
- bundle with latest Producer Millestone 5 (EHQ support)
- added support for Multichannel (create 6 separate .wav mono file)
- add support for 5.1 input wav file.
- improve audio part (added azid, boost, resample ... )
- rewritte the rv9 header parser.
- improve the P4 Hyperthreading support.
- improve the split : more accurate & fix the black screen bug on second part.
- fix the problem for the update of avisynth script file.

All bug report and suggestions are welcome :)

Bye.

[superdump]

I'm new to this program but it looks very nice. All the options seem to be in place and it's very easy to use. I haven't encountered any bugs so far and it is happily encoding at the moment. :)

[iwod]

why o why....... does the vb6 setup never work for me......

where can i find other setup program??

Edit........ ok i find a soloution is to simply copy it manually VBFR.dll to system32 folder.

[Dark-Cracker]

sorry i don't have added vb6fr.dll :) in the package . but i can download the vb6runtime pack on my site web.

To do :
-------

add job list
add 6 wav mono input
add avisynth error detection
add .avi/.ogm/.mkv ... input
add output as matroska file
(cf : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57318)

Bye.

[karl_lillevold]

Great utility, D-C!

A couple of things to remember when using it (I have forgotten myself, which is why I mention it here):

I always recommend changing the resize to Neutral Bicubic (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43487) instead of Soft Bicubic. Of course, preferences vary on this topic.

And of course, always remember to set EHQ mode to Extra High, unless you have set the reg key to always use encoderComplexity = 80.

[ookzDVD]

Hi DC,

Nice update in the right time and the right place :)

I just don't understand why the auto crop is still behave
strange on my machine, sometimes even I did the manual crop
while enter the value, your proggie is suddently behave strange,
just like not responding.

Btw, the audio section, please add the "surround2" mode without
click the "Advanced".

Thank you.

[karl_lillevold]

@ookzDVD: I think due to Avisynth restrictions, AutoRV9 cropping tries to enforce even numbers in the dialog boxes, so if you want to enter 50, it refuses the first 5, and then hangs (at least sometimes). So I always type 60, and use the arrows to go up and down from there.

Regarding Surround2: as far as I can see, this is the default downmix mode, so you don't actually have to open the Advanced menu. I always open it anyway though, to add Normalization.

This brings me to my question. I have not really played around much with Dolby ProLogic II, well not at all, to be honest. Compared to PL1, this is supposed to be able to carry separate rear channels, right..? Have you tried to encode this downmixed 2ch signal and noticed a good rear channel separation when playing back the result? When I get 6 speakers for home, I'll experiment with the 'Surround2' and 'Surround' modes, and see if there is much difference.

[Dark-Cracker]

Hi,

@karl
yep i must change the resize filter i have set it on soft bicubic because it a but most faster than neutral but i think there is not a lot of differences.
for EHQ i think set it at default on 80 could made at the user the wrong idear that rv9 is (very) slow. but i will try to find a solution (surely ask on the first start if u want to set ehq on hight an save the setting.)

@ookzDVD
if u select "stereo output" besweet will be set on "stereo" for the downmix, if u select "surround output" it will be set on "surround" because it seems to me the surround2 matrix have some problems and of course was optimised for DP2 and not DP1 but i will change it on surround2 if the users prefer :)

could u explain me excately what is happen with the autocrop ?

@karl
>AutoRV9 cropping tries to enforce even numbers in the dialog boxes.
yes it round number at the near modulo 2 , hum i will made more tests to avoid this problem of the number 50 :) .

hum i will surely add the normalisation in the default settings or perhaps even save the settings of the audio in the .ini file it's parhaps the best solution :)

Bye.

[Wilbert]

@Karl,

Have a look at: http://hypercubemx.free.fr/html/the_audio_formats_jungle.html

[karl_lillevold]

I just added this to the RV9 Info thread.
EDIT: 07/24: Avoid Producer Milestone 5. An accidental change was made that disabled EHQ no matter what the reg key or encoderComplexity setting is set to.
Until D-C can update his zip with a fixed encoder DLL erv4.dll, please update the DLL yourself.

EDIT: information about the new method to enable EHQ, and a corrected DLL where the previous method works (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196)

[Valky]

So you are saying that latest Autorv9 has this broken dll?

[karl_lillevold]

yes, it has a DLL that does not do EHQ, no matter how you try to set it. Neither reg key nor Audience file setting works. that's the problem with posting these Milestones with little QA testing. I can't test every change that's made to all of Producer myself :angry:

[ookzDVD]

@DC,

I think karl_lillevold was right about the crop :)
But the autocrop is still mystery on my machine,
btw, I prefer to do manually anyway.

Btw, I think your .srt -> .rt routine is going wild,
the timestamp is not converted correctly.

Thank you.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

@ookzDVD
i have change the autocrop (before it was failed and the negative value found froozen the window now it's fixed).

could u send me your .srt file at darkcracker@caramail.com and say me which fps is the video (have u used some ivtc who have change the fps from 29.97 to 23.976 ?) , and could u post a little sample of the original .srt and the same sample after conversion in .rt file ?

thank u this will help me to solve this bug :)

Bye.

[ookzDVD]

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
hi,

could u send me your .srt file at darkcracker@caramail.com and say me which fps is the video (have u used some ivtc who have change the fps from 29.97 to 23.976 ?) , and could u post a little sample of the original .srt and the same sample after conversion in .rt file ?

thank u this will help me to solve this bug :)

Bye.

Sorry DC, somehow I did delete the .rt file. :(
But I can tell you in brief, the first timestamp in the .rt
file is start with "01:...." not 00:..... :(

Thank you.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

a quick update :

url :
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http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b3.5.zip
(unzip and overwrite in the autorv9 directory)


changelog :
-----------
fix possible crop slider freeze
fix preview
fix EHQ problem (using hight, or very-hight switch)
fix refresh tempory directory (for 2 audio stream)
fix possible problem with 5.1 wav input

added joblist
added audio 2.0=> 5.1 (kpex method)
add basic log file when encoding
improve azid (for .ac3) settings.

the 2 most steps are the improve of RA multichannels with the possibility to emulate stereo (2.0) file to surround( 5.1) file.
entierely based on teh KPEX way (all greet go to him).

and the possibility to add job in queued.

PS: i don't have made a lot of tests with the job function if u have some bugs to report thik to describe exactely the way to reproduce it !!!!

Bye.

[ookzDVD]

Hi DC,

Thank you for the beta update,
btw, with the latest 1.3 beta 3, I did EHQ @ 700Mb and the actual
size is 702Mb, so I try again with target @ 699 but the result is
625Mb. How could it be so dramatic ? Is it the producer effect
or just your proggie ?

Thank you.

[Sirber]

702MB is still burnable. If no, try overburn :)

[ookzDVD]

My CD-RW is too old maybe max 8x, not support over-burn yet :(
the Nero report the size is 80:01 :(

[Sirber]

Try advanced options. If you overburn for 2 MB it should be ok, but overburn on some burner can burn them :) Use with caution. I'm not responsible!! :eek:

[karl_lillevold]

overburn: in Nero I always seem to forget how to get overburn to work. I have found I have to do these three steps:
1) Enable the advanced option for overburn (File->Preferences->Expert Features->Enable overburn.
2) In the options for every disc in Multisession (no wizard mode), choose No Multisession.
3) Finally, in the Burn menu, choose Disc-At-Once/96. This option becomes available only after choosing No Multisession in step 2).
These steps could probably have been made easier... Anyone?

Producer created too small file: double-check to make sure EHQ is really enabled.. Also, I have seen this happen for encodes where there is a very long and very stationary credits section. Due to Producer's VBR design, it sometimes has trouble spending enough bits for the Credits section. AutoRV9's separate credit / feature encode seems to always work great to avoid this problem. I have seen many examples where 695 MB target ends up being between 695 and 700MB.

@DC: do you think you can put back a link to 1.3b3 in the first post? The only link there now is to the b3.5 update that does not include the rest of b3.

[karl_lillevold]

Hi DC,

I am afraid the latest 1.3b3.5 does not work with EHQ . In codecProperties it currently puts:

<codecProperties type="bag">
<encoderComplexity type="uint">very-high</encoderComplexity>
</codecProperties>

This does not work. As explained in my Producer M5 post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58196), there is a new setting in the videoStream section that looks like below. The confusing part is how it almost looks the same ('encodingComplexity' instead of 'encoderComplexity', and has been moved to the <videoStream> section from the <codecProperties> section. The other difference is the setting itself, which has been simplified from confusing numbers to simple string descriptions.

<videoStream>
...
<encodingComplexity type="string">very-high</encodingComplexity>
...
</videoStream>


The result of this error is that encoding fails with this error message:

PID2332,Error,Job File,2003/07/28 21:35:46,10124,Element "encoderComplexity" of type uint has invalid value "very-high"
PID2332,Diagnostic,SDK Configuration,2003/07/28 21:35:46,10407,Unable to load audience from file c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad

So this version of AutoRV9 will not work with either Milestone 5 or my corrected DLL, if you try to enable EHQ. Both should work well without EHQ. If you would like to use EHQ, you have to use 1.3b3 with my corrected DLL (see Producer M5 link above).

[karl_lillevold]

So after the encoding failed I tried to edit the c:\AutoRV9_Movie.rpad file audience file manually and then re-run the encode, but it looks like AutoRV9 now deletes its avs scripts when it exits. This has always been my escape strategy when something has failed, so it would be very useful if the Avisynth scripts were not deleted on exit.

P.S. no problems detected with crop slider this time. I think that problem was fixed completely.

[ammer]

atkarl, nero should save these settings then there and after you set these settings. many times i have done the thing nero and it burns without the step process.

[Dark-Cracker]

dohh ! i have made a mistake :) so much tired when i have made the modifications :) i will fix this problem asap, does someone have notice another problems ? perhaps with the joblist or the option to upmix stereo input in surround output ?

@karl
i have change the refresh of the .avs,.rpad file else the joblist will have some problems (it's this who avoid in previous version of autorv9 to made more than 1 encode else another encode used the previous .rpad file).

Bye.

[ookzDVD]

@DC,

Yes I just want to post about that problem too,
btw what's wrong with your EHQ in the AutoRV9 1.3 beta3 anyway ?

@karl_lillevold,

Thank you for the over-burn tips, I'll try.
btw, anyone here ever try use the 90mins CDR ?
I have the CD but Nero can't burn over 80mins on
my CDRW :(

[ammer]

sorry nm with the nero thing. it seemed like the steps did not work. scratch the last post.

[Dark-Cracker]

u can use this installer to completely enjoy the real audio 5.1 :)

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Real_Audio_5.1.zip

next beta will be out in two or three days , if u have some suggestions / bug report it's time :)

Bye.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

another little update :)

url :
-----

http://www.eclipsedvd.firstream.net/autodub/Autorv9_v1.3b4.zip

changelog :
-----------

option to improve hight scene motion.
fix subtitle problems.
support .avs input
improve 2.0=>5.1 conversion
fixed fully the EHQ mode
add chapters support for .smil
add transparent subtitle for .smil
detect the avisynth error msg
improve avisynth editor (support credits .avs).
change priority on the fly (dblclick on the systray icon)

Personal comments :
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1)
--> option to improve hight scene motion. <--
i have added an option to add grain in hight motion and avoid the codec blur these scene by forcing the rv9 codec to redistribute more bits on these scenes. this option is EXPERIMENTAL use it only for vbr 2 pass mode else your encode could be oversized.

any report/tests on this option is welcome.

2)
this time the EHQ fully work :) sorry for my previous mistake.

3)
u can now import .avs file (this mean avi/directshow source option,u can now open : .rmvb/.mkv/.omg/.avi/.wmv/.mpg/.qt )


Bye.

[deXtoRious]

A good thing that I decided to come here before launching another dvdrip...;)

[Valky]

Seems to me that this tool has now everything I have ever wanted and much more. So if there isn't any major bugs left, it should be perfect now!

I am gonna test as soon as I can :)


Just one question. Is it enough to update this file over old AutoRV9 1.2?

Or what version should I have so that I can unzip this beta over it?

[Dark-Cracker]

don't decompress file in the autorv9 v1.2 directory else there will be a conflict beetween the old producer .dll and the new millestone build.

to made a full install :

install avisynth v2.5.2
unzip beta v1.3b3 (bundle with Millestone M5,besweet,plugin)
unzip the update : v1.3b4

not necessary :
if u want u can also update the mpeg2dec3.dll v1.10 (dir : soft\avsfile\)
and the latest besweet v1.5b19 (dir : softs\besweet\)

and it's start encode :)

Ps: in final release i will try to made a more light version of millestone.

Bye.

[deXtoRious]

There is a problem with AutoRV9, it won't open a d2v made from a vob with a size of over 4 gigabytes. Is it possible to somehow work around this? If not, then what can I use to split the vob?

[Dark-Cracker]

what is the exact error msg autorv9 show u ?
whith which tool have u made your .d2v ?

are u in FAT32 , or NTFS ? in the ripper option there is the possibility to rip .vob file by part of 1 Gb

Bye.

[deXtoRious]

The error is: "Evaluate: Unrecognised Exception! (c:\tempAVS.avs, Line 3). I have made my d2v with DVD2AVI 1.76. The VOB is on an NTFS drive, but AutoRV9 is on a FAT32 drive. I know about the possibility to split during ripping, but unfortunately the DVD is not available to me right now.

Just in case you need it, here is TempAVS.avs:

# !!! DO NOT EDIT MANUALLY THIS FILE !!!
LoadPlugin ("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoRV9\SOFTS\AVSFILE\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
MPEG2Source ("E:\Video\DVD\Basic\basic.d2v")
Tweak(bright=0,hue=0,sat=1,cont=1)
ConvertToRGB32()

Can this problem be solved?

[Rasi]

hmm... i added 2 audio files, which were nicely converted to wavs and encoded to ra.

but it didnt mux the audio files with the video stream... is this a bug probably?

and even more important, how can i mux it afterwards? :P



ah and another thing.. i chose 64kbps in audio bitrate tab, but it encoded the files in 96kbps...


i was using 1.3b3....

[Dark-Cracker]

@deXtoRious
i can't do nothing i think it's a restriction of the FAT32 perhaps should u post a msg in the avisynth section there is perhaps a way (using a new avisynth or mpeg2dec3 dll file) to bypass this limitation. but in anny case keep in your dvd ripper the split in 1gb part option.

@Rasi
.rmvb structure can't support 2 audio streams u need to encode them separately (in .rm file) and use some .smil file to launch the video + the selected audio stream. i will check for this possible bug for the audio bitrate.

Bye.

[Valky]

I tried to do exactly same thing. I encoded my avs-input and used 2 audio streams. Afterwards I got now 2 nice rm-files and smil-files too, but my video was only 25kb so that was pretty useless night.

I tried to convert with high EHQ and noisy high action scenes.

And one more thing..is there any point to use avs-input, course endoder overrides all my filters in it anyway and writes it's own scripts with different resizer and no filters at all?

[Dark-Cracker]

be sure u have the latest beta4 (i have reupload it a few hours ago because a filter addgrain.dll was missing and needed for the noisehightmotion). i think this will solve your problem.
i can redo your encode without audio and keeping your already encoded audio .rm file.

u can select .avs input , else edit your .avs file only once your have crop/resize else the new script will overwritte the old.

sorry again :)
Bye.

[deXtoRious]

@Dark-Cracker

Well, thanks for trying...:(

[SocketA]

@Dark-Cracker

Great program you have made.
I only have one small problem with it :D

I have quite a lot of MPEG2 files that have the size 480x576 (4:3 PAL 25fps interlaced).

I have tried to use the 4:3 aspect ratio, but the final RM file comes out with black borders on the sides of the picture.

If I use the 1:1 aspect ratio and make a 720x576 or a 704x576 RM video, it comes out like it should (aspect wise 4:3), But if I make it full screen in RealPlayer, the video get's a black border around the whole video :(

If I make a 384x288 video with a aspect ratio of 1:1 it comes out ok, no black borders, but at that size the picture has lost to much detail.

Help!

[SocketA]

I have been making some more videos and it seems to be a problem with RealPlayer and not AutoRV9.

Guess we need a "fit-to-fullscreen" aspect in RealPlayer, like ZoomPlayer has, otherwise I don't see how a 720x576 or 480x576 PAL 4:3 would fit a PC monitor.

I just tryed to make a 768x576 sized video, but I couldn't get AutoRV9 to go that high :(

[Dark-Cracker]

u cant go upper because avisynth doesn't support u use resize filter to upper ouput resolution than input resolution.

[SocketA]

Huh? :confused:

Are you saying that I can't resize from small to big ?

AviSynth can resize from something like 352x288 to 720x576 easy...

[karl_lillevold]

@SocketA: encoding 480x576 to playback on a full-screen in RealOne (or RealPlayer) is possible, but maybe a little tricky in existing GUI front-ends. You have to use the same technique as for anamorphic encoding, that is tell producer to resize to 720x576, while its input is 480x576. Producer will then not actually resize, but encode at 480x576, and place a flag in the bitstream such that the player will stretch from 480x576 to 720x576 on playback. I am not sure how to achieve this in AutoRV9, maybe it's possible with its anamorphic feature. I might give it a try later.

EDIT: you do not want to resize up /before/ Producer, since it will then have to encode at higher resolution than the source, which is less efficient.

[Dark-Cracker]

hum i think it was inpossible with the old avisynth now u can resize upper without problems i will see to remove my restriction. even i think resize upper will only decrease quality and increase bits needed.

++

[SocketA]

@karl_lillevold

I have just tried doing what you just said and it seems to work perfect :)
I did use AutoRV9 some of the way (needed it to make the audience and avs file).
Then I just edited the AVS file to NOT resize and cut, and then I run the same command line as AutoRV9 would, but with the added switch '-rs 768x576'

Seems to work nicely :D

BTW : I'm using RealOne Player, not the 'old' RealPlayer :o

@Dark-Cracker

I guess a little bit more freedom in your program would be nice :D
When I select the 1:1 aspect ratio, I can't select anamorphic encoding.
How about an expert mode :p

[Dark-Cracker]

@SocketA
héhé i try to find a middle beetween the automatisation and the manual tweaking :) not always easy :) :) :)

i think i will add the possibility to enter manual values in anamorphic if u select 1:1 aspect ratio.

Bye.