RB-Opt v0.23 BETA a tool to change titles bitrate, CCE parameters and AVS scripts.

[archaeo]

You should find a line
no_move=
with 0 (default) or 1 (enables fades on a static scene)

robot1, thanks for the reply. So, I can just add this line manually where needed, until the revision?

edit: apparently NOT in RB yet, only in CCE directly.

[raddygast]

Can someone tell me what the Link VOB-Id step is supposed to do? Would greatly appreciate it. My main film is just one vob-id (VTS 1 Vob-id 1).

Also, the option under DVD-RB (Mode menu) that says "steal space from extras". Is that option already in use, so to speak, when I open RB-Opt? I notice that everything but the main title is at a bitrate of about 1459, whereas the main title is set to around 3000.

Oh yeah, and is there a discussion of the matrices I can use somewhere? When I select a matrix, it shows as "Custom" but doesn't really give it a name. Would be nice if it showed the actual file name of the matrix you browsed for.

I heard AngelBestLow is really good for low low bitrate extras (like 1000-1500 bitrate). What should I use for a main movie hovering around 3100?

[TheSeeker]

The link vob-id step combines all vob-id's into one entry in rb opt so you can apply settings to all at once instead of one at a time. If you didnt select the steal space from extras mode before the prepare phase then no the steal space from extras option should not be in use. As for matrices I normally use kvcd notch or bach1 for low bitrates (2500-3000 or less) anything more than 3000 u can use the official ultra low or very low bitrate matrices that come with cce.

[raddygast]

Anything more than 3000 use the ultra low matrix that comes with CCE? I thought above 3000 was no longer low bitrate?

What would you use for a main movie around 3200? Maybe I should just use the standards until I know what I'm doing better than I do now.

[Boulder]

I'd give QLB a go, it should look very good at ~3000kbps. I wouldn't touch any of the matrices included with CCE:D

[TheSeeker]

Originally posted by Boulder
I wouldn't touch any of the matrices included with CCE:D

Yea cause they just make one of the best mpeg2 encoders on the planet. What do they know?

@Raddygast

According to the CCE manual anything right around 2500-4000 bitrate area use Very low bitrate, anything lower than that use ultra low bitrate. I have noticed bach1 and kvcd notch are also very good matrices. But those are more for really really low bitrates i think. I use them for like 2000-2500 area.

[Boulder]

Originally posted by TheSeeker
Yea cause they just make one of the best mpeg2 encoders on the planet. What do they know?

@Raddygast

According to the CCE manual anything right around 2500-4000 bitrate area use Very low bitrate, anything lower than that use ultra low bitrate. I have noticed bach1 and kvcd notch are also very good matrices. But those are more for really really low bitrates i think. I use them for like 2000-2500 area.
Well, if you look at the values in both "Low Bitrate" and "Ultra Low Bitrate", you'll see that the bitrate reduction is done by cutting off all the high frequencies. You'll get a nice ringing effect and lose a lot of details as well.

Suit yourself:rolleyes:

[artoor]

Originally posted by Boulder
Well, if you look at the values in both "Low Bitrate" and "Ultra Low Bitrate", you'll see that the bitrate reduction is done by cutting off all the high frequencies. You'll get a nice ringing effect and lose a lot of details as well.
Suit yourself:rolleyes:

I have a question. Does RB-Opt defaultly load "Standard" matrix even if bitrate can be below 3500kbps?? Or it is "intelligents" enough and it selects right Matrix according to bitrate (without my knowledge)??

[Boulder]

I think it uses the CCE default, but I'm not 100% sure. It might also depend on the default template you have in CCE.

[TheSeeker]

It uses the "Standard" matrices by default. It does not select a different matrice automatically. You have to do that yourself. Im guessing this is because everyone likes to use different matrices for different situations ya know.

[robot1]

RB-Opt uses the standard matrices in default, because DVD-RB doesn't change the default CCE matrix. It doesn't depend from the default template, because DVD-RB overrides it.

[artoor]

Ok. Now I understand it :) Thanks for every answer. So far I've used standard matrix... maybe it's high time to try something else with better result. I should experiment with another matrices :)
Once again - thx!

[raddygast]

Any chance on a new version of RB Opt soon -- one that is compatible with the new changes in DVD-RB Pro (i.e. setting up matrix preferences in RB itself).

[robot1]

We have had many features added in DVD-RB, and other will be added before 1.0 (probably multi-angle compression, menu handling...)
I don't know if it's better to update RB-Opt every DVD-RB release, or wait for the 1.0 and have a full update.

[raddygast]

Well can I ask you one question then?

When I go into RB Opt (loading the REBUILDER.INF after a given project's prepare step), if I click on a vobid, and then click the CCE Settings button, what does that read exactly?

I'm asking because I'm wondering how it reports the quantization matrix. With RB's new options, I take it if RB specifies a specific matrix, RB Opt will read that as "Custom" unless RB leaves it at Encoder Default (standard).

But talking with jdobbs he said that all qmat decisions (i.e. when to use the matrix you define for "low bitrate" or the matrix you define for "Very low bitrate") are made on the SEGMENT level, not the whole VTS or vobid level.

So in that case, how does RBOpt make the assessment that something is "Custom"? Does it basically check every segment within the vobid, and if just one of them is not set to "Standard" then it reports it as "Custom"?

I was working on The Pianist, disc 1. After the prepare step it seems there is just one VTS and Vobid (with a crapload of cells in it). The overall avg. bitrate is 2997, but if I remember correctly when I checked CCE Settings it wasn't Low Bitrate, it was Standard. So I'm still a bit confused. jdobbs says the bitrate is not based on the avg bitrate of the whole titleset, but on the bitrate of each segment.... but I don't think you can view the bitrate at the segment level in RB Opt. But in the ECL files I guess each item can have its own bitrate and qmat associated with it.

[robot1]

RBOpt checks the matrix used in the last cell for every VobID.
Probaly it shows "custom" because DVD-RB doesn't use the hardcoded matrices in CCE, but it writes them every time (but I haven't yet checked the rebuilder.ecl from the last version).
As now matrices could change for every cell, I have to re-think the whole interface, allowing to change them on a cell basis (???)

Anyway, as jdobbs has added so much features in the new releases, I see always less need to use RBOpt...
Waiting for users' suggestions.

[raddygast]

I would hate to stop using RBOpt. AT the very least I like to use RBOpt to check in on things and make sure they're ok. Sometimes I also don't use steal space from extras, because some of the extras (deleted scenes, etc.) I don't want to have reduced quality on, but other extras I don't mind. So I manually reduce the bitrate in RBOpt (and check/uncheck autosize accordingly). I also like to change targetsectors, but I think that can be changed once and for all in rebuilder's ini file anyway.

Ok, so it reports the LAST cell's bitrate. I knew it was showing custom because RB was hard coding matrices -- but didn't know how it decided what was what. That piece of knowledge helps me understand things.

I do hope you continue to develop RBOpt, though, but I can understand if it's not a priority for you. But yeah, changing matrices on a cell level would seem to make sense now.

[Smurf1127]

@robot1

I still see a need for RB-Opt because RB doesn't allow specified bitrates yet. I do agree that you may want to wait until RB has hit 1.0 will all the features that soon will be out, than intergrate Opt along with these new features. I use this program every time I do a backup and find it gives me freedome to customize my bitrates which is really nice.

Thank you for your hardwork

|Papa|

[Zyphon]

@robot1

I still see a need for RB-Opt because RB doesn't allow specified bitrates yet. I do agree that you may want to wait until RB has hit 1.0 will all the features that soon will be out, than intergrate Opt along with these new features. I use this program every time I do a backup and find it gives me freedome to customize my bitrates which is really nice.

Thank you for your hardwork

|Papa|

I completely agree with you, I definately think there is still a need for RB-Opt, I always use it after the Prepare phase and i'm thankful that JDobbs has always left the 3 button mode in DVD-RB.

I like to mess around with specific bitrates of certain VOBID's and DVD-RB combined with RB-Opt gives me excellent results.

I also think it may be a good idea to wait until DVD-RB Pro hits 1.0 Final. :D

[robot1]

An updated version.
Need testing, so please report any bug you find.
Download RB-Opt v0.18 (http://www.freewebs.com/robot1/RB-Optv0.18.zip) (right click -> save target as)
I hope to add soon a mirror, as sometimes there are problems to download from this host.

Changelog:
DVD-RB PRO support
Added compatibility to Rockas' Matrix Editor, and to the .mtx format for matrices
Fixed bugs in CCE 2.70 support
Moved "Fades on a static scene" switch in the "Tweak Cells" dialog (It's better to use for first scene and end credits, in my tests)
Added Goplength 18 options for NTSC interlaced sources

[Rockas]

I can't download it :(

@Robot1
Can you send me a copy by mail... I'll host it on www.dvdrebuilder.com.

[robot1]

@Rockas
sending right now.

[Rockas]

Done.

Download link: HERE (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=24)

[Rippraff]

@robot1
Nice to hear! :)
Did you change the behavior that RB-Opt looks only for the matrix in the last cell of a VOB-ID?

Edit: 2. Download link works! Thanks Rockas! :)

Cu Rippraff

[robot1]

@Rockas
Thanks. I will update the first post with your link.

@Rippraff
if you want a right prediction, you can't use different matrices in the cells of a single VobID.
RB-Opt asks you to choose one single matrix (same thing for other parameters, like dc precision and goplength).
It's not a limitation, it's the only way to have a good prediction. Anyway, OPV is meant to have a constant quality for the whole film (with a single Q). If you have different parameters, the quality would not be constant.

[djan]

Rb-Opt 18 closes when I load RB settings. Doesn't happen with 17b.

[Rippraff]

@Rippraff
if you want a right prediction, you can't use different matrices in the cells of a single VobID.
RB-Opt asks you to choose one single matrix (same thing for other parameters, like dc precision and goplength).
It's not a limitation, it's the only way to have a good prediction. Anyway, OPV is meant to have a constant quality for the whole film (with a single Q). If you have different parameters, the quality would not be constant.
Thank you for pointing this out. :)
But I didn't think of OPV, I've asked because you posted this before:
RBOpt checks the matrix used in the last cell for every VobID.
Probaly it shows "custom" because DVD-RB doesn't use the hardcoded matrices in CCE, but it writes them every time (but I haven't yet checked the rebuilder.ecl from the last version).
As now matrices could change for every cell, I have to re-think the whole interface, allowing to change them on a cell basis (???)
Cu Rippraff

[Zyphon]

@Robot1

Thank you so much for this update. :)

I am happy to hear that it is now compatible with RB-Pro also as I love to use RB-Opt to do OPV prediction on the movie portion on my backups and this tool allows for so much tweaking to DVD-RB. :)

Great work Robot1, I shall do some tests and get back to you with my results. :D

Thanks again for the update.

[Zyphon]

Hi Robot1,

I am currently testing out the new version of RB-Opt with DVD-RB Pro 1.00 RC3.

I love the way the new version remembers the settings from DVD-RB like the cusum matrix you used the DC value and the GOP value.

Would it be possible in future for RB-Opt to remember the min and max bitrate values that you enter so that you don't have to enter them manually for every VOB-ID? Is this possible?

Thank you so much for making RB-Opt work with DVD RB Pro and for listening to us for our requests you are a great guy imo. :)

[robot1]

Rb-Opt 18 closes when I load RB settings. Doesn't happen with 17b.
You have a PM

[Zyphon]

You have a PM

Thanks, read and replied. :)

Keep up the great work. :)

[robot1]

Rb-Opt 18 closes when I load RB settings. Doesn't happen with 17b.
My bad.

There was an error with DVD-RB FREE version (I tested only the PRO one,
and I didn't realize there are some slight differences in the files between the two versions).
I've fixed the bug, but I need other testing (I don't know if it saves some CCE 2.70 parameters...).

Tomorrow I will update RB-Opt.
Waiting for RB-Opt 0.19, DVD-RB free users should use the previous version.

[jdobbs]

Hmm... I'm trying to keep them compatible except for the Pro extensions (like ILVU). What was the difference you found?

[robot1]

My mistake was right on the ILVU parameter. Now I've corrected it.
Anyway, in the .ecl there are some CCE 2.70 parameters missing:
intra_dc_precision_9_max=113
intra_dc_precision_10_max=113

[TuRiSOft]

Possible issue :
RB-Opt does auto-check OPV on all ILVU segments and VBR not selectable!!! When I go saving it tries to calculate Q factor and gives an error (don't remember what it says).

[robot1]

Possible issue :
RB-Opt does auto-check OPV on all ILVU segments and VBR not selectable!!! When I go saving it tries to calculate Q factor and gives an error (don't remember what it says).
Thank you for your report.
I think I've solved this bug.

I'm testing right now, and I hope to release the new version in a few hours (or tomorrow)

[Zyphon]

Just tested RB-Opt 0.18 beta with DVD-RB Pro 1.00 RC3 and it worked o.k and I am pleased with the output.

Like I said earlier I love the way the new RB-Opt remembers what matrix you have selected in DVD-RB Pro very cool indeed as is the fact that DVD-RB Pro let's you select your matrix it makes life so much easier.

Thanks guys Robot1 & Jdobbs great work. :)

PS: Look forward to testing the next version of RB-Opt. ;)

[Zyphon]

@Robot1

Having done a very quick test with the new 0.19b version, it now remembers the bitrates you used so thank you for adding that feature.

However this version does not remember the Matrix you selected in DVD-RB Pro and you have to set the matrix for all the VOB-ID's manually.

Version 0.18b remembered the matrix that you selected in DVD-RB. Is this a bug?

Hope to hear from you soon. :)

[djan]

@Robot1

Having done a very quick test with the new 0.19b version, it now remembers the bitrates you used so thank you for adding that feature.

However this version does not remember the Matrix you selected in DVD-RB Pro and you have to set the matrix for all the VOB-ID's manually.

Version 0.18b remembered the matrix that you selected in DVD-RB. Is this a bug?

Hope to hear from you soon. :)Where is 0.19b ??

[robot1]

0.19b will be released soon.
Zyphon and I were testing some changes...

[berndy2001]

Thank you for the new Version!

I hope to add soon a mirror, as sometimes there are problems to download from this host.
For the future: i can give you some webspace including an ftp-account, or you can upload it to rapidshare (http://www.rapidshare.de/) (or other upload services).

[robot1]

However this version does not remember the Matrix you selected in DVD-RB Pro and you have to set the matrix for all the VOB-ID's manually.

It's not a bug.

In CCE Settings, the matrix combo is filled if all the cells of the VobID have the same matrix.
If the matrix is one of the CCE internal, or the matrix is in the matrix folder, you will find the name of the matrix displayed.
If the matrix is selected in another folder, you will find the indication "Custom"

If the matrix combobox is blank, DVD-RB has chosen to use different matrices for the cells (it's an option in DVD-RB PRO: you can chose to use different matrices according to the bitrate of the cell).
If you leave the combo blank, RB-Opt will not change the choice made by DVD-RB. Anyway, if you want to use OPV, you HAVE TO chose ONE matrix per VOB-ID (if you use different matrices, the prediction could never be good).

The same things apply to GOPLength and DCPrecision: if you see no check for those parameters, DVD-RB has chosen to use different values for the cells.

[Soshen]

but it have some problem whit ccesp?
it possible that it work only mading CCE in CBR 1pass mode?

[robot1]

but it have some problem whit ccesp?
it possible that it work only mading CCE in CBR 1pass mode?
Please, check your PM.

What version of CCE are you using?
Does DVD-RB works without RB-Opt?
(usually RB-Opt doesn't change the encoding type...)

[Rockas]

@robot1
by the way... it would be nice if you update the thread title :D

[robot1]

:)
I'm waiting for the 0.19

[robot1]

Here is the update:
RB-Opt v0.19 (http://rapidshare.de/files/3623928/RB-Optv0.19.zip.html)

(thanks to Berndy2001 for the suggestion!)

Changelog:
Bugfix: restored DVD-RB Free compatibility (broken in v0.18)
Fixed wrong VBR/OPV behaviour with short segments (thanks to TuRiSOft)


Thanks to all the betatester!

[robot1]

@robot1
by the way... it would be nice if you update the thread title :D
I've updated the title of the first post... but the thread title remains the same.
:(
How do I change the thread title? (I think something has changed till the forum change...)

[Rippraff]

Thanks for the new version! :)
I've updated the title of the first post... but the thread title remains the same.
:(
How do I change the thread title? (I think something has changed till the forum change...)
This is vbulletin 3.0.7 ;)
If I remember correctly, you can't change the thread title, you need to have moderator rights. This is how it works at german doom9 forum which uses the same board software. :rolleyes:
Edit: Here it works: Go to the first post => Edit => change the title => save
Edit2: Sorry, you mentioned that you've changed the first post, in my case it worked, here it didn't. :confused:

Cu Rippraff

[Soshen]

in vbulletin (maybe) only a moderator can change post topic