ReJig 0.5 Released

[Amnon82]

Great news Nic...

[Paced]

Hi guys, just thought I'd post a 'bug' ( :confused: ) I think I may have stumbled upon (sorry if it's been reported already). Whenever I use ReJig, I always use it together with DIF4U, and I've found that when it comes to the step of importing the .SCP (Scenarist project file) into Scenarist, I get a tonne of "different duration" errors for the *.mpv files ReJig transcoded. However, these errors disappear when I encode the files with DoCCE4U/CCE 2.50. This happens in alot of my demux-by-vobid projects, and also in quite a few PGC projects. I'm a PAL user by the way :) Perhaps someone could clarify this?

[dragongodz]

Paced - this may have to do with the chapters being off by a second or 2 problem that DMagic1 reported. Nic has said the chapter numbers timing is generated differently with Rejig 0.6 so it will be interesting to hear if that fixes it or not. when Rejig 0.6 is released that is. :)

Manolito - ye basically what Nic said. for shaving 5% or so off it should be hard to pick any difference. however at low bitrates it still may be possible in which case the 1 of the tweaks which is in 1 of those test files should be better, maybe. :D

Nic - well if you have tested the tweak to old engine i sent and find no problems with it then thats the one i would suggest to use for Rejig 0.6. i cant see people rushing to test. pity.

[Paced]

Originally posted by dragongodz
Paced - this may have to do with the chapters being off by a second or 2 problem that DMagic1 reported. Nic has said the chapter numbers timing is generated differently with Rejig 0.6 so it will be interesting to hear if that fixes it or not. when Rejig 0.6 is released that is. :)


Cool, can't wait :D

[DMagic1]

By your statements I thought it would be released by now Nic.

I have just the right project waiting on this.

[Amnon82]

Hi Nic. As You know I compile MEncoder and code a gui for it. So I use Your ReJig for authoring my DVDs.

So here my Question:

How can I check if buffer underrun ocours? Is there a way? Or didn't it happen with Your DVDAuthor?

My first DVD I encoded with MEncoder I can't author with IFOEdit. So I choosed ReJig to do this job. Today I can author the new source (M2V and 2 AC3s with 4 subs) in IFOEdit. Ca. at 5% it wrote into the Log that the data of the videostream will arrive to late. Ergo this is a bufferunderrun.

IFOEdit wrotes Stream E0: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 30192640, stream DTS:0
and Stream E0: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 30236672, stream DTS:0

I checked the movie and all is sync. Then I used Your ReJig to do also the same Job. Is there a way to check if ReJig also produce Buffer underruns?

[Amnon82]

I found a way to check this:

First the IFOEdit result:

MPEG-2 Validator v1.4.0.131 - 16.03.2004 15:46:43

File under analysis: "D:\ifoeditmux\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB"..!

Begin Process:

Begin Program Streams Summary:
Missing Progam End Code...
File "D:\ifoeditmux\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB" is a DVD MPEG-2 Program Stream
MPEG file size 1024.00 MB
MPEG Packs = 524287
Sectors delay = 0.0 ms
System headers = 2897
Rate Bound = 10080000 bps -> 9843 Kbps
Video Bound = 1 active video streams
Audio Bound = 1 active audio streams
Variable Bitrate Operation (System MPEG-2 VBR)
Video Picture Rate is locked to SCR
Audio Sampling Rate is locked to SCR
MPEG Pack Size = 2048
Packets per Pack = 1
Program Mux Rate = 9843 Kbps
Total PES packets = 531416
PES Packet Lenght Max. = 2028
Number of Video Streams: 1
*Number of Audio Streams: 2
Private Stream 1, ID: BD, packets = 78697, Total = 153939 KB
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 20, PES packets = 487, total bytes = 664816
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 21, PES packets = 525, total bytes = 714164
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 22, PES packets = 463, total bytes = 615648
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 23, PES packets = 504, total bytes = 667464
*Substream (DVD): AC3 Audio substream 80
PES packets = 38359,
Total = 75519 KB
*Substream (DVD): AC3 Audio substream 81
PES packets = 38359,
Total = 75519 KB
Padding Stream, packets = 4232, Total = 4202 KB
Private Stream 2, packets = 5794, Total = 5652 KB
Video stream, ID: E0
PES packets = 442693,
Total = 852.04 MB
End Program Streams Summary.


Begin Video Streams Summary:
*Sequence_end_code NOT FOUND, in Stream E0!!
Video Delay Stream E0 = 192.8 ms
Number of Frames = 40277 -> 1611.08 Sec
Number of Sequence Headers = 2897
Sequence Headers Aligned = Yes
Horizontal Size = 720
Vertical Size = 576
*Aspect Ratio = 16:9
Frame Rate = 25 fps
P-STD Buffer Size Bound = 0 KB (From System Header)
VBV Buffer Size = 112 -> (224 KB)
Stream Type = MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Chroma Format = 4:2:0
Picture Structure = Frame
Intra DC Precision = 8
*Top Field First = No
*DCT Type = Frame
Quant. Scale = Linear
Scan Type = Alternate
Frame Type = Interlaced
Number of GOPs = 2897
*First GOP Closed = No
Number of Closed GOP = 0
Max. frames per GOP (without first & last) = 15
Min. frames per GOP (without first & last) = 3
Avg. frames per GOP (Total) = 13.90
Max. Frame Size = 128487
Min. Frame Size = 782
Average Frame Size = 22181
Frames I = 2897 -> 7%
Avg. Frame I Size = 301 KB
Frames I Total Size = 131593237 bytes, size 14%
Frames P = 10530 -> 26%
Avg. Frame P Size = 82 KB
Frames P Total Size = 233521575 bytes, size 26%
Frames B = 26851 -> 66%
Avg. Frame B Size = 32 KB
Frames B Total Size = 528296649 bytes, size 59%
Nominal bitrate (Sequence Header) = 9800000 bps -> 9570 Kbps
Average Bitrate = 4332 Kbps
*Peak Bitrate (1 sec) = 10040 Kbps
End Video Streams Summary.


Begin Audio Streams Summary:
End Audio Streams Summary.

Video Stream Duration: 1611.08 sec -> 1611:02 (secs:frames)

Duration Difference from Video to Audio = 1611080 msec
Initial Delay Audio to Video (PTS based) = -193 msec

Processing time: 00:01:16

Result:
Compliance Test: Fail!!

End.


And here the Result of ReJig:

MPEG-2 Validator v1.4.0.131 - 16.03.2004 15:49:44

File under analysis: "F:\Rejigmux\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB"..!

Begin Process:

Begin Program Streams Summary:
Missing Progam End Code...
File "F:\Rejigmux\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB" is a DVD MPEG-2 Program Stream
MPEG file size 1023.97 MB
MPEG Packs = 524272
Sectors delay = 0.0 ms
System headers = 2897
Rate Bound = 10080000 bps -> 9843 Kbps
Video Bound = 1 active video streams
Audio Bound = 1 active audio streams
Variable Bitrate Operation (System MPEG-2 VBR)
Video Picture Rate is locked to SCR
Audio Sampling Rate is locked to SCR
MPEG Pack Size = 2048
Packets per Pack = 1
Program Mux Rate = 9843 Kbps
*PTS underflow (Mux Error)...!!
Total PES packets = 531411
PES Packet Lenght Max. = 2028
Number of Video Streams: 1
*Number of Audio Streams: 2
Private Stream 1, ID: BD, packets = 78691, Total = 153928 KB
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 20, PES packets = 487, total bytes = 664816
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 21, PES packets = 525, total bytes = 714164
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 22, PES packets = 463, total bytes = 615648
Substream (DVD): Subpicture stream 23, PES packets = 504, total bytes = 667464
*Substream (DVD): AC3 Audio substream 80
PES packets = 38356,
Total = 75513 KB
*Substream (DVD): AC3 Audio substream 81
PES packets = 38356,
Total = 75513 KB
Padding Stream, packets = 4242, Total = 4201 KB
Private Stream 2, packets = 5794, Total = 5652 KB
Video stream, ID: E0
PES packets = 442684,
Total = 852.03 MB
End Program Streams Summary.


Begin Video Streams Summary:
*Sequence_end_code NOT FOUND, in Stream E0!!
Video Delay Stream E0 = 186.3 ms
Number of Frames = 40277 -> 1611.08 Sec
Number of Sequence Headers = 2897
Sequence Headers Aligned = Yes
Horizontal Size = 720
Vertical Size = 576
*Aspect Ratio = 16:9
Frame Rate = 25 fps
P-STD Buffer Size Bound = 0 KB (From System Header)
VBV Buffer Size = 112 -> (224 KB)
Stream Type = MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Chroma Format = 4:2:0
Picture Structure = Frame
Intra DC Precision = 8
*Top Field First = No
*DCT Type = Frame
Quant. Scale = Linear
Scan Type = Alternate
Frame Type = Interlaced
Number of GOPs = 2897
*First GOP Closed = No
Number of Closed GOP = 0
Max. frames per GOP (without first & last) = 15
Min. frames per GOP (without first & last) = 3
Avg. frames per GOP (Total) = 13.90
Max. Frame Size = 128487
Min. Frame Size = 782
Average Frame Size = 22181
Frames I = 2897 -> 7%
Avg. Frame I Size = 301 KB
Frames I Total Size = 131593237 bytes, size 14%
Frames P = 10530 -> 26%
Avg. Frame P Size = 82 KB
Frames P Total Size = 233521575 bytes, size 26%
Frames B = 26851 -> 66%
Avg. Frame B Size = 32 KB
Frames B Total Size = 528296649 bytes, size 59%
Nominal bitrate (Sequence Header) = 9800000 bps -> 9570 Kbps
Average Bitrate = 4332 Kbps
*Peak Bitrate (1 sec) = 10040 Kbps
End Video Streams Summary.


Begin Audio Streams Summary:
End Audio Streams Summary.

Video Stream Duration: 1611.08 sec -> 1611:02 (secs:frames)

Duration Difference from Video to Audio = 1611080 msec
Initial Delay Audio to Video (PTS based) = -186 msec

Processing time: 00:01:40

Result:
Compliance Test: Fail!!

End.


Did I something wrong with the bitrates?

[Edit] I found it out! It was the bitrate! I was over the valid one. So I skiped the english Audiostream and got a VOB without a bufferunderrun. Man! I'm doing this so long and now I did this stupied mistake! Bugga. You can learn from mistakes. And I never do this again. MPEG Validator is a realy good tool. I think I add it to my DRPEnc Package. Nic take a look on this tool. ... and I can't wait for ReJig 0.6 :D... If it's out then it's out! ... ;)

[r6d2]

AFAIK, managing the VBV buffer is the encoder's main task to produce a compliant stream. Proper muxing cannot "fix" a bad stream since the player can get buffer overruns anyway. Again AFAIK, buffer underruns don't have to do with sync issues, but with the ability of data to pass smoothly from the decoder to the display.

So in you're having VBV problems it's mencoder's fault I guess.

But I'm just on page 22 of the book. :). I hope someone more knowledgeable can confirm this.

[Nic]

That's very true r6d2. I wouldn't worry about it amnon82. If it plays fine then everything is ok.

(This is a 22 page book...gonna close it soon and start afresh with 0.6...just written a new app called QuEnc which may/may not help jdobbs, ill release that first (AVS->M2V Encoding))

-Nic

[r6d2]

Originally posted by Amnon82
MPEG Validator is a realy good tool.I had a look at it too. Interesting. It keeps complainng about 29.97fps not being compliant though. :( Maybe I'll better post this in the author's thread too.

[Amnon82]

THX r6d2 for this great information. I encode the movie now with a lower bitrate again. (I don't know why... maybe I'm to long on my machine.)

@Nic Yes You should close this book soon.

Nic what is QuEnc. Is it a new encoder or is it based on someone?
Its always good to here about new apps coming up.
Do You use MEncoder? Till now it works fine for me. And I'm going with every new release of DRPEnc better. Coding is a great hobby!
It makes realy fun.

...Is it now page23?

[Nic]

Try it:
http://nic.dnsalias.com/QuEnc.exe

Very early beta, sent it to jdobbs to see what he thinks. Should work, just feed an avisynth file (that outputs YV12 (or use ConvertToYV12) and get a raw MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 file. Uses the FFMPEG library for encoding. Got around 30-35fps encoding speed on my box...quality seems good too.

EDIT: Now released and at version 0.2 in the "Other MPEG1/2 Encoders" forum. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72827 Please post there on QuEnc

-Nic

[Amnon82]

Well QuEnc is out. When will You close this book? :cool:

[Oldeman]

Nic,
Now that DVD-RB has made ReJig a one button application, I think lots of people will use it. So far have done two movies with .5e and quality seems good. Can't wait for next version.

Keep up the good work...

[DMagic1]

@NIc

Any chance of the v0.6 being released soon?

[djan]

Right, we are waiting :D

[Nic]

Lol...Sorry for the delay.
(Blame Mother's Day (should be renamed florist's day) and championship manager for me not releasing it this weekend)

[Oldeman]

As a newwbbbiieee in the encoding arena, could someone give me a short list of pros/cons of ReJig versus QuEnc?? Run time considerations?

My gut feeling is that ReJig is simpler to use, but that QuEnc may give better quality.

Thanks
The Oldeman

[E-Male]

rejig is a transcoder, it basicly edits the file to make it smaller
on the other side you got a re-encoder that takes the file as source and makes a completely new (smaller) one
generally transcoding as much faster
quality, well, if you only need to shrink a bit, like to 95% then a transcoder might be better, else re-encoding with a good encoder will look better, but for me, only using the dvdrs on a cheap tv, rejig's quality is fine enough to take it's speed advantage

!!anybody correct me if i'm wrong!!

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by Oldeman
As a newwbbbiieee in the encoding arena, could someone give me a short list of pros/cons of ReJig versus QuEnc?? Run time considerations?

My gut feeling is that ReJig is simpler to use, but that QuEnc may give better quality.

Thanks
The Oldeman

I too would like some input into which is really better.

[r6d2]

The short answer: there is no short answer. A good suggestion would be to try them both and see what pleases you best.

[E-Male]

ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, violating rule 12 might wake sleeping beasts :devil:

as i said, if teh result will be more then a few % smaller then reencoding should give better quality, but it's much(!) slower

i should add that i compare rejig to cce in my posts, i couldn't try the new free encoder yet

[djan]

Hi, tested a 85% recompression, ReJig gives better quality for sure. QuEnc isn't good at low bitrates. CCE as encoder is the best, nothing can beat it. But it's not free. :p

[Neutrino]

I'm a newbie in the field of DVD backups, So bear with me if this is a stupid question.

Can Rejig read encrypted DVDs or do i have to use thirdparty apps for decrypting?

Thanks in advance!

Stephen

[DirtyAbdul]

Originally posted by E-Male
ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, violating rule 12 might wake sleeping beasts :devil:



*whispering* e-male, oldeman was NOT asking what was the "best" but rather for a list of pros and cons which IMHO is justified b/c it takes HOURS to read through this (and the old) thread to somewhat understand the implications. ;)
i have silently followed the whole development for months, but can't really provide input -- ain't no programmer and only understand half of what those gurus are talking about. :D therefore, i'd rather let them do the work and not annoy them with questions that the world doesn't need. ;) but believe me, i'm VERY excited like a kid in a candy store everytime a new version comes out. :D

CK

[DirtyAbdul]

Originally posted by Neutrino
I'm a newbie in the field of DVD backups, So bear with me if this is a stupid question.

Can Rejig read encrypted DVDs or do i have to use thirdparty apps for decrypting?

Thanks in advance!

Stephen

there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers! unfortunately, there are those with little mental capacity who feel good to give stupid answers. :mad:

anyway, my philosophy is: if someone is hungry, don't just feed them, rather teach them how to find food. therefore, why don't you use rejig on an ecrypted disc and see what happens. that'll answer your question :D.

btw, by using rejig, you could eventually contribute to the development of the program ;).

DA

[Nic]

It does read encrypted discs. Although 0.6 will come out in two flavours one with decryption on without...so you should only really download the version that is "legal" in your country.
(This is just to semi-cover-my-a*s ;) )

-Nic

[DirtyAbdul]

Originally posted by Nic
It does read encrypted discs. Although 0.6 will come out in two flavours one with decryption on without...so you should only really download the version that is "legal" in your country.
(This is just to semi-cover-my-a*s ;) )

-Nic

nic, he was supposed to find that out himself :D.

DA

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Nic
It does read encrypted discs. Although 0.6 will come out in two flavours one with decryption on without...so you should only really download the version that is "legal" in your country.
(This is just to semi-cover-my-a*s ;) )

-Nic You know, Nic, you are one multitasking kinda' guy. How many programming projects do you have open right now? ;)

[Oldeman]

I can't wait to try .6?

Is Santa Claus coming soon?
:rolleyes:

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You know, Nic, you are one multitasking kinda' guy. ;) Don't be fouled. They are twins. :D:D:D

[onesoul]

Clones I say :p

[paulers]

I tried using rejig in IFO mode with two passes and 3/4 through the second pass I got a windows error and it aborted the process. is there any way I can tell whats going on? I was looking for logs or some type of output but was unable to find any. It looks like the first pass worked fine because I have the complete file, but the second pass is much smaller due to the abort. Any ideas?

[Nic]

"You know, Nic, you are one multitasking kinda' guy. How many programming projects do you have open right now?"
8.3 billion...all unfinished. ;) lol

-Nic

[Amnon82]

I understand You nic. I'm running 3 projects at the same time. Its hard to update all at the same time...:D

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by Nic
It does read encrypted discs.

Ha!, Thankyou.

I tried rejig to back up a DVD9 to DVD 5 using full dvd backup option. This program processed for a long time and then came to end producing only 90MB files in VIDEO_TS folder, eventhough I set 4.7 GB. I found that it has produced about 7 Gb files as intermediate files. I think Rejig does automatic compression on converting DvD9 to DVD5, so is this a problem with me....only.

Edit:
Btw, Do menu will be supported in full dvd backup?

[Amnon82]

First Question: Normaly it does it this way:

Demultiplex the steams
transcode the M2V to a rejig.m2v
Doing the delay correction
multiplex it to a big vob
mulitplex the sub into the big vob
authoring the big vob to 1 gig vobs and adding the chapters.
(nic correct me if I'm wrong...)

Second Question: Till now not. It is only a movieonly backup. Maybe in 0.6

... guess why we're waiting for the next version? ...;)

[2COOL]

Originally posted by Nic
Lol...Sorry for the delay.
(Blame Mother's Day (should be renamed florist's day) and championship manager for me not releasing it this weekend) Well...it has been an awful long delay. At least, DVD-RB testing is keeping most of us pre-occupied for the moment.

[rayvt]

Any hope for getting rejig to read avs files? That would trim a lot of time off a DVD-RB job.

[dragongodz]

Amnon82 -
Rejig 0.6 doesnt do all those steps, or should i say does it all at once. you will see what i mean when Nic releases it. :)
Rejig 0.6 is movie only still, well the copy i have is anyway. the main change is to the first question you asked.

2cool -
ye i have emailed Nic saying now would be a good time to release Rejig 0.6 while he is waiting for ffmpeg rate control to be rewritten. so hopefully soon. :D

[2COOL]

@dragongodz

:thanks: for the nudge. ;)

[Amnon82]

Yea dragongodz. Nic show me what dragongodz want me to tell.

[Oldeman]

Oh jolly Saint Nic;

How about a Easter post of ReJig .6 for our basket?

We've all been good Easter bunnies....

No Easter eggs required.

HoHoHo:)

[boombastic]

I tried the ifo mode with 0.5e version:i had the ac3,the m2v and the sup but after the authoriting iget only the two folders Audio and video TS no file within.Then i also tried to re-author manually but again i see in the working directory during the process only one file increasing in size but at the end it disappears and nothing in the two folders created.What's wrong?

[boombastic]

I managed to author by deselecting the option "copy subtitle option",i don't know what's wrong with it.For the chapters:if i load the chapter information that DVD decrypter gives to me i can't jump from a chapter to another playing the vob file i obtain

[WONDERBOY]

Any chance of a release of 6.0 today? it's my birthday...

[djan]

Originally posted by WONDERBOY
Any chance of a release of 6.0 today? it's my birthday... Haha, you dream. :D

[WONDERBOY]

I meant 0.6

[Amnon82]

Happy birthday. How old are You now? ...

I think Nic is searching for the ReJig 0.6 Eggs. Maybe he is the easterrabbit and did a good job ...

[dragongodz]

well just to let you guys know ,i have been putting in heaps of effort for you. have put a little reminder in practically every email i have sent Nic. he actually hasnt gotten shirty(meaning mad) with me about it either. nice guy. :)

all i can say for sure is that Nic is still very very very busy at work and that other personal things have been going on. that means he doesnt have the time to do all he wants at the moment. he has told me he is trying though so a little more patience is required. ye i know its hard with the anticipation one builds up but thats life i am afraid.

its the small things you never see or hear about that take more time than people may realise. what may sound simple can prove a right pain in the @$$. and thats speaking from experience. :)