ReJig 0.5 Released

[Nic]

Just been busy with other stuff..Got four days off at easter, and hopefully, if I dont go out too much, ill be able to get some ReJig/QuEnc stuff done....

-Nic

[NobbyNobbs]

@Nic

You should not have told us about actually having a real life :D

We´re supposed to tell a programmer to "get a life", he is not supposed to take the advice :D :D

[WONDERBOY]

Originally posted by Amnon82
Happy birthday. How old are You now? ...


I'm 17.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by WONDERBOY
I'm 17. I have shoes older than you. They're my new ones. Hope you had a good birthday.

[WONDERBOY]

Thanks. It was fine. And just how old are your old shoes?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by WONDERBOY
Thanks. It was fine. And just how old are your old shoes? Much younger than my feet, but older than my socks.

[WONDERBOY]

Then, I assume all of the above mentioned are older than me?

[Nic]

Hopefully....ill get ReJig out this weekend...

Rumours of me having a real life are vastly exagerated...currently drunk playing mario double-dash with two other mates....at the age of 23.lol

-Nic

[The_Flash]

<---Better than doing the same and being 25.

[Joergen]

I do it too (well usually manly football or racing games on the oh so manly PEE ESS TWO ;)) and I'm 23.

[YaoMing11]

Is the quality of Rejig better than the quality of Instant copy 8? Im wanting to rip a movie that needs to be compressed to 76%. Will I notice a difference in quality if I use Rejig with DVD-rb instead of Instant Copy 8?

[NobbyNobbs]

@YaoMing11

This is the third post I´ve seen where you are asking the same question, try the different programs, and decide for yourself.

What is best questions seldom have just one answer, and beside that both what is best and double posting is against the rules on the Doom9 forum.

[YaoMing11]

It's against the rules to ask for peoples opinions? There is a DVD-shrink vs. CCE post 6 pages long a few below this one.:confused: I didnt cross-post dude. I was asking similiar questions in other threads that were on the subject of rejig. I have about 13 movies that need to encoded in about 1-2 days, and on top of that I have a slow ass computer. :mad:

Im only trying to find out if the majority people here would reccomend using IC8 or is Rejig worth taking 2 hours more to get the job done.:confused:

[NobbyNobbs]

@YaoMing11

Sorry if you felt I was rude, but questions about witch program gives best quality usualy have no clear answer, one really have to make up one´s own mind.

How do you manage to use two more hours with ReJig than with Instant Copy ?
My experience is that ReJig is fast, and Instant Copy is quite slow (not as slow as CCE or other encoders, but definitly the slowest of the transcoders).

[YaoMing11]

Im not sure. I use IC8 and keep the menus while ripping extras and audio and it takes about 80min sometimes to complete a movie on high quality. Using DVD-RB with Rejig it takes about 2 hours or more to complete a movie with the same setup.

[NobbyNobbs]

Although I think Jdobbs is on the way to making a great program, and even if I myself is not a regular Instant Copy user, I would use Instant Copy if I had 13 movies to backup in just a few days, beta software is just that, beta.
I love trying out ReJig and DVD RB, but if I had a deadline, beta software might not be the best idea. (beta testing is about finding the inevitable bugs in a program, so that the developer can fix them before going final.) :D

[djan]

Originally posted by YaoMing11
Im not sure. I use IC8 and keep the menus while ripping extras and audio and it takes about 80min sometimes to complete a movie on high quality. Using DVD-RB with Rejig it takes about 2 hours or more to complete a movie with the same setup. It's not normal, IC8 must take much more time to make its work. ReJig is very fast transcoder and it doesn't have to take so much time. Now, for your backups, if you have IC8, use it, it's a very good program and it gave me very good results. Also, you'll be able to keep the menus. Keep the menus and the movie and strip extras and audios. You'll get good backups. Now, if you have nothing to do with the menus and the extras, just use ReJig that gives very good quality too. Finally, the twos are very good. It depends what you want.

[nicksteel]

How is best way to convert from NTSC 29.97 to FILM 23.976 when using Rejig for DVD to DVD? Could this result in higher quality due to smaller size requirements?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by YaoMing11
It's against the rules to ask for peoples opinions? There is a DVD-shrink vs. CCE post 6 pages long a few below this one.:confused: I didnt cross-post dude. I was asking similiar questions in other threads that were on the subject of rejig. I have about 13 movies that need to encoded in about 1-2 days, and on top of that I have a slow ass computer. :mad:

Im only trying to find out if the majority people here would reccomend using IC8 or is Rejig worth taking 2 hours more to get the job done.:confused: You are mistaken. ReJig will finish a job typically in less than half the time of a decent IC-8 encode. If you are using IC-8 in its fast-encoding mode pretty much anything is better in terms of quality. If you are using it in its high-quality mode then I think it will do a little better than ReJig (but will take probably 4 times longer than ReJig).

On my system a full DVD backup with ReJig and DVD-RB takes about a half hour.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nicksteel
How is best way to convert from NTSC 29.97 to FILM 23.976 when using Rejig for DVD to DVD? Could this result in higher quality due to smaller size requirements? You can't. ReJig is a requantizer. It works within the compressed domain and never gets to a level at which it could do this. Even if it did, it's a bad idea. Removing frames from 29.97 video to get it to FILM reduces the quality of the output except when the original was truly 23.976 and got to 29.976 through telecining... If that is the case you don't have to do anything. Pretty much all s/w packages (including ReJig) take care of that for you. (it's actually that rate anyway)

[nicksteel]

Thanks, jdobbs. Answered my question.:)

Another question. I would like to decrease the audio size by producing 192 bitrate mp2 with headac3he and muxing with m2v from rejig with tmpgenc author. This can increase the compression factor a good bit due to smaller audio size. Only problem is tmpgenc author gives message about combined video+audio bitrate exceeding the standard DVD rate of 9800. Is there any way to avoid this?:confused:

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nicksteel
Thanks, jdobbs. Answered my question.:)

Another question. I would like to decrease the audio size by producing 192 bitrate mp2 with headac3he and muxing with m2v from rejig with tmpgenc author. This can increase the compression factor a good bit due to smaller audio size. Only problem is tmpgenc author gives message about combined video+audio bitrate exceeding the standard DVD rate of 9800. Is there any way to avoid this?:confused: I'm not that familiar with TMPGENC's authoring portion... but probably what is happening is that the original stream is tagged at 9800 in the Sequence Headers (you see that a lot in DVD video). ReJig probably leaves them untouched (not sure) -- so when you try to combine it with anything else it looks like you've exceeded the limit... There has to be a tool out there somewhere that can retag the headers... I'm not the right guy to ask for that, because I would generally take the hard road and write a routine that scans through and changes it -- it's a pride thing I think.

[nicksteel]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm not that familiar with TMPGENC's authoring portion... but probably what is happening is that the original stream is tagged at 9800 in the Sequence Headers (you see that a lot in DVD video). ReJig probably leaves them untouched (not sure) -- so when you try to combine it with anything else it looks like you've exceeded the limit... There has to be a tool out there somewhere that can retag the headers... I'm not the right guy to ask for that, because I would generally take the hard road and write a routine that scans through and changes it -- it's a pride thing I think.

Thanks. I'll try to find something. Reducing the audio size has a real effect on the available video size. For example, a two hour video does 80% with original audio file, 86% with 192bps.

Thanks again.:)

[Amnon82]

Hi nicksteel. The tool You searching for is coded in germany. It is called DVDPatcher. Normaly it is used to change the resolution in the header, but You can also change the bitrate.

Here is a link for downloading (http://rj-elektronik.de/avideo/files/DVDPatcher_v106.zip) it from my page.

Stay tuned.

Phil

[nicksteel]

Originally posted by Amnon82
Hi nicksteel. The tool You searching for is coded in germany. It is called DVDPatcher. Normaly it is used to change the resolution in the header, but You can also change the bitrate.

Here is a link for downloading (http://rj-elektronik.de/avideo/files/DVDPatcher_v106.zip) it from my page.

Stay tuned.

Phil

Thanks, Phil. Downloaded DVDPatcher. How do I set the bitrate for a 720x480 DVD (M2V) ?

[Amnon82]

Hi nicksteel. Normaly the using of the app is easy. Load the M2V-file.
There is a field called 'Patch MPEG2 File to'. At Bitrate U use 'Custom' and enter the wanted bitrate. At 'Horizontal Size' choose '720' and at 'Vertical Size' I think it is for You '480'. At Framerate I think it is for You '29.97 fps'. In the Patchfield choose 'Entire file' and hit 'Patch now!'. Thats it.

[YaoMing11]

Jdobbs, Can the reason that DVD-RB & Rejig is taking about 2 hours to encode is because I run it through DVDClone first to remove extras and unwanted audio while keeping the menus. I then run it through DVD-RB using Rjeg in the 1 click mode and it always takes about 2 hours on a 2400+ AMD system.

With IC8 I made sure all settings were correct and set for high quality and it takes me anywhere from 80-100 minutes to complete. That is strange that everybody here gets the opposite of me. :confused:

Also when I use IC8 I always just keep the first title and the menu. I uncheck everything else. I also only keep 1 track of the english audio.

[lab-one]

@YaoMing11

Jdobbs, Can the reason that DVD-RB & Rejig is taking about 2 hours to encode is because I run it through DVDClone first to remove extras and unwanted audio while keeping the menus. I then run it through DVD-RB using Rjeg in the 1 click mode and it always takes about 2 hours on a 2400+ AMD system.

I have a 2400+ AMD as well. I used DVDShrink to rip the movie only and ran it through DVD-Rb using rejig (basically to do a comparison of rejig and DVDShrink). It took about 2.5 hours. The first phase took at least 45 minutes and the balance to the final stages. I was expecting it to happen faster. But I have no experience with Rejig to gauge this against....

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by lab-one
@YaoMing11



I have a 2400+ AMD as well. I used DVDShrink to rip the movie only and ran it through DVD-Rb using rejig (basically to do a comparison of rejig and DVDShrink). It took about 2.5 hours. The first phase took at least 45 minutes and the balance to the final stages. I was expecting it to happen faster. But I have no experience with Rejig to gauge this against.... Wow. I have an AMD 2400+ with 512MB RAM and a 160MB caching hard drive hooked to an ASUS MB that I use for video processing. If I choose ReJig and run it through DVD-RB only, it takes somewhere from 30-40 minutes end-to-end. Most movies come in at around 30 minutes.

[lab-one]

@jdobbs

Wow. I have an AMD 2400+ with 512MB RAM and a 160MB caching hard drive hooked to an ASUS MB that I use for video processing. If I choose ReJig and run it through DVD-RB only, it takes somewhere from 30-40 minutes end-to-end. Most movies come in at around 30 minutes.

My PC is also 512MB. I have no idea why it takes so long. I may redo it tonight after a fresh boot and see how it performs.

[rayvt]

One reason that a rejig rebuild takes so long is that rejig can't read avs files, so DVD-RB has to create the MPV files itself, as a separate step.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by lab-one
@YaoMing11



I have a 2400+ AMD as well. I used DVDShrink to rip the movie only and ran it through DVD-Rb using rejig (basically to do a comparison of rejig and DVDShrink). It took about 2.5 hours. The first phase took at least 45 minutes and the balance to the final stages. I was expecting it to happen faster. But I have no experience with Rejig to gauge this against.... The first stage (demuxing) should take about 15 minutes. Of course, if you have a hard drive that is near full or is segmented it could be much longer. It can also be affected by what other software you have running at the same time.

[lab-one]

@jdobb

The first stage (demuxing) should take about 15 minutes. Of course, if you have a hard drive that is near full or is segmented it could be much longer. It can also be affected by what other software you have running at the same time.

69.2gb total, 42.4gb free. Not segmented or fragmented. I wasn't at the computer running anything while running the process. Have Norton and firewall running at all times. One thing I've noticed is that DVD-RB runs at about 25-40% of available CPU while System Idle Process allocates the balance. I have DVD-RB set to run at Normal.

[Joergen]

lab-one check that your drives are not in PIO mode, but in ULTRA DMA mode.

[lab-one]

@joergen

lab-one check that your drives are not in PIO mode, but in ULTRA DMA mode.

In BIOS it shows HDD as UDMA 5. How else can I check this?

[YaoMing11]

Can somebody please help me out? Ive encoded 2 movies with no problems with Rejig using DVD-RB, and now every movie I try it encodes but I dont have audio. I make sure I keep all the audios checked, but it's like it encodes it without audio. Im having problems with IC8 and relying on Rejig since it gives me the best quality next to IC8.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by YaoMing11
Can somebody please help me out? Ive encoded 2 movies with no problems with Rejig using DVD-RB, and now every movie I try it encodes but I dont have audio. I make sure I keep all the audios checked, but it's like it encodes it without audio. Im having problems with IC8 and relying on Rejig since it gives me the best quality next to IC8. Please post these kinds of questions in one of the DVD-RB threads. This thread is discussing ReJig -- and really isn't related to your problems.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by WONDERBOY
Then, I assume all of the above mentioned are older than me? Hmmm... let's see

((WONDERBOY .LT. SHOES) .and. (SHOES .LT. FEET)) -> (WONDERBOY .LT. FEET)

but (WONDERBOY .LT. SHOES) .and. (SOCKS .LT. SHOES) .not. -> (WONDERBOY .LT. SOCKS)

The socks are up in the air... the premises are insufficient to determine the answer.

[DirtyAbdul]

Originally posted by lab-one
@joergen

In BIOS it shows HDD as UDMA 5. How else can I check this?

1. [Start] button
2. Control Panel
3. System
4. "Hardware" tab
5. [Device Manager] button
6. Under "IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers" double-click on "Primary" or "Secondary IDE Channel"
7. "Advanced Settings" tab
8. Under "Transfer Mode:" click on "DMA if available".
9. repeat that for all devices ("0" and "1") and all ide channels.

DA

ps: there are also registry settings, but can't remember the mods anymore. maybe some1 else can help? or do a search in this forum... ;)

[m99]

Any news about 0.6? Or is it still "when it's ready"?

PS! DL is here soon.

[casio7131]

Originally posted by jdobbs
((WONDERBOY .LT. SHOES) .and. (SHOES .LT. FEET)) -> (WONDERBOY .LT. FEET)

but (WONDERBOY .LT. SHOES) .and. (SOCKS .LT. SHOES) .not. -> (WONDERBOY .LT. SOCKS)
i see you're a fortran'er --- good to see another one.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by casio7131
i see you're a fortran'er --- good to see another one. Man, that's been a long time.

[dragongodz]

m99 - i do still keep asking Nic and he still hasnt bitten my head off yet. :)

[Amnon82]

good news that U've still ur head where it belongs to... :D

[Nic]

Was going to release another QuEnc today...but far too sunny. Maybe tomorrow. Good English weather is hard to come by, so I have to make the most of it.lol

Thanks all for your patience :)

-Nic

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Nic
Was going to release another QuEnc today...but far too sunny. Maybe tomorrow. Good English weather is hard to come by, so I have to make the most of it.lol

Thanks all for your patience :)

-Nic Get out of here... go enjoy the weather!

[jdobbs]

@NIC

When you get back indoors and are sitting around wondering what to do next... could you give some thought to adding command line options to QuEnc that can reset (uncheck) Trellis, kvcd, and 2 pass? Right now if I turn them on with the command line (DVD-RB) they can't be reset without opening QuEnc and manually doing it.

Thanks!

[Nic]

My arms and face are bright red now with sunburn...lol. Like a lot of programmers I tend to be a translucent white colour, so I burn quickly ;) lol

Yup those switches are high on my list. :)

Actually after the next release, Ill send you the source, just incase I stop coding for a while and you need to change something simple. (although it's a bugg*r to compile as dgz will tell you ;) )

-Nic

[jdobbs]

Thanks!

[dragongodz]

you guys do relise this is the Rejig thread right ? :D

and yes compile options/switches for ffmpeg/libavcodec are so under documented its a pain. then theirs downloading so much stuff for cygwin etc and compiling ffmpeg fine but linking the libs to QuEnc NOT working .... urggghh. maybe its just me though. :)