ReJig 0.5 Released

[lighty]

@Nic
Why do you have to support FAT32 at all?
At some point it will come obsolete (it already did the moment M$ stopped selling Win98 and announced Win9x series obsolete).

Too bad for people with Win9x machines but if absolute downward compatibility is an issue why not supporting FAT16 as well?
IMO- it's a waste of time trying to make everything 100% compatible with every possible system. Simply assume most of the people use NTFS (and most of the people indeed uses it- especialy the type of people hanging on this forum) and make life easier for yourself.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Amnon82]

Nice nic. If 0.7 will backup full dvds this will be great.

I use IFO Mode to demultiplex the VOBs, but I can do this also with DVDDecrypter. IFO Mode was great! Can U release the AC3Delay-Corrector as a standalone? This is the reason why I use IFO Mode.
Subtitle demultiplex I can also do with VOBSUB + SUB2SUP but in some reason only the IFO Mode riped the subs corectly. Maybe You can relase also this tool as standalone.

I don't know why other people use IFO Mode. I use it for getting a m2v (demultipexed), subs and sync AC3s, DTSs for the M2V.

If I have the options seperatly, I don't need IFO Mode anymore. What think other people here about IFO Mode?

[Nic]

@lighty: I know...Ill see how the mood takes me and how much call there is for it. For DVD Authoring though it seems crazy to attempt it on anything other than NTFS...

@Amnon82: Hmmm, maybe ill leave it in then. Don't know yet. Definitely won't remove the code....Ill make a button sometime that will allow little tools like standalone AC3 Correcter, Creating the VIDEO_TS files for a directory, etc

-Nic

[TEB]

I secon that u cut fat32 support.. dont waste any energy on it.. I dont know anyone that uses fat32 :)...

[yuinfo]

Originally posted by Nic
Hmmm, maybe ill leave it in then. Don't know yet. Definitely won't remove the code....Ill make a button sometime that will allow little tools like standalone AC3 Correcter, Creating the VIDEO_TS files for a directory, etc

Please leave IFO mode in, if it is possible. It does miracles with AC3 correction and subs. I've tried almost all demultiplexers/multiplexers and had problems with AC3 delay or subs at some point, Rejig does it perfectly.

[maa]

Ok - don't get too excited about this.
Nearly all recording studios use FAT32 because it has less overhead and runs more tracks - it is a lot faster.
As I also run a studio, all my HDs are FAT32.
I know thats not a good argument for the developer of a program who has to weigh up the the amount of users with each system.
Fat32 is also easier to recover with dos tools afetr a HD crash etc.

[Pfc Joker]

Originally posted by lighty
@Nic
Why do you have to support FAT32 at all?
At some point it will come obsolete (it already did the moment M$ stopped selling Win98 and announced Win9x series obsolete).

Too bad for people with Win9x machines but if absolute downward compatibility is an issue why not supporting FAT16 as well?
IMO- it's a waste of time trying to make everything 100% compatible with every possible system. Simply assume most of the people use NTFS (and most of the people indeed uses it- especialy the type of people hanging on this forum) and make life easier for yourself.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I tend to agree with lightly. Most people are going to be using NTSF (Untill we all start running Longhorn a couple years from now) and anyone running big drives or raid arrays I would assume is using NTSF also.

[maa]

@Nic,
Do I hear VIDEO_TS.IFO creator ? That would be nice as only DVDFab can do this (only thing I use it for too)

@Anyone who dislikes Fat32 and preferes the slower system.
This is what Microsoft thinks of its NTFS:

From - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/default.asp?url=/technet/archive/ittasks/deploy/fat.asp

The system partition
This article may seem to say that NTFS is superior to FAT and that unless you have a small partition or need compatibility with other operating systems, you should always use NTFS. However, this isn't the case.

As we mentioned earlier, NTFS partitions are accessible only via Windows NT. If you have a fatal error with Windows NT, you can't simply boot a system disk to a command prompt and fix a problem on an NTFS partition. To get around this problem, Microsoft recommends installing a second copy of Windows NT on your hard disk and using this copy to repair problems that occur on NTFS partitions.

Unfortunately, this method has some serious drawbacks. For starters, a second copy of Windows NT could consume up to 150 MB, depending on which options you choose to load. Second, during the boot process, both copies share common files. Therefore, if your system partition (the partition your PC boots from) is formatted as NTFS and has a problem, you may not be able to boot either copy of Windows NT to fix the problem. While you may think the odds of a system partition error are slim, remember that many changes you might make to your disk partitions result in having to manually update the Boot.ini file. If you incorrectly update this file, Windows NT will become unbootable. Since this is an initial boot file on the system partition, every installed copy of Windows NT would share this file.

A better solution is to format your system partition as FAT.

Sorry for going OT here but if security isn't an issue but speed and ease of use is FAT32 is the way to go.
Sure you can buy expensive tools to repair NTFS but why use it all.
The only advantage for a " PC " is the lack of a 4Giga barrier which most audio and video software allows for by creating smaller files.

cheers

maa

[rakaz]

@maa: That article was written about 5 years ago. Notice they mention Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT. It says nothing about ME, 2000 or XP. A lot has changed since the article was written.

[maa]

- Nothing relative to the points mentioned apart from the Space consideration, in fact it got worse with the different varieties of NTFS.

[lighty]

@maa

That is not correct. But I think we're way off topic so I opened a new thread here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70073 in the more apropriate section.

[TEB]

Nic. Do u think it would be possible in the future to use rejig as a input and output muxing tool for mpeg2's ? like i wanna merge LOTR2se disc1 and 2 into one continuing .m2v file with synced .ac3 and .pcm ? or as a large vob set? just for archiving purposes?

best
teb

[dragongodz]

"Do I hear VIDEO_TS.IFO creator ?"
the dvdauthor part of rejig can already do that of course. if you check out dvdauthor(the original program its based on) it supports adding a menus etc aswell. still in its infancy really but very impressive. Nics been taking it even further of course so by rejig 1.0 dvd authoring of whole dvd should be possible. please dont ask this of Nic though since its just what i think. :)

"I've tried almost all demultiplexers/multiplexers and had problems with AC3 delay or subs at some point, Rejig does it perfectly."
filemode of rejig can also correct ac3 delay and demux etc aswell of course.

"possible in the future to use rejig as a input and output muxing tool for mpeg2's ?"
possible ? yes. high on priority ? probably not. i mean it would be better to get the normal dvd to dvdr part working fully first wouldnt it ?

[yuinfo]

Originally posted by dragongodz
"I've tried almost all demultiplexers/multiplexers and had problems with AC3 delay or subs at some point, Rejig does it perfectly."
filemode of rejig can also correct ac3 delay and demux etc aswell of course.

Not quite true, Filemode can't do subs. Ifo mode is definitly quite usefull. I wouldn't like to see it go away, but it's Nic's decision.

[dragongodz]

"Filemode can't do subs"
true but it could be made to. still ifo mode probably is easier for people to understand that way. :)

[Nic]

I almost did make it do, but my heart wasn't in it at the time...lol

While testing yesterday, first time I timed it. 17mins to backup TrainingDay. So it's a lot quicker than it used to be ;)
(with lots of room for improvement too)

-Nic

[Amnon82]

Great news! When do you release 0.6?
Don't say: When its done (... as id always tell):D

[maa]

Hey, - this transcoding engine is so good, I tested an output size of 2.2Giga and the result is excellent with one audio channel (except when someone walks in front of the camera) = Two DVDs to One !!

[thedavid]

On my hard-drive, I have a collection of analogue cable TV captures, which I recorded using a variable bitrate up to a maximum 15mb/s. Of course, the bitrate rarely goes above 10mb/s.

I want to downsize them for DVD authoring because the current bitrate is above the DVD maximum of 9.8mb/s

I have tried using REJIG with default settings and although the quality is very good, I sometimes get a few lines of blockiness across the top of the video. Is there a way to stop this?

Also, what is the purpose of the SETTINGS button on REJIG where is gives the option of OLD ENGINE and NEW ENGINE?

Plus, does this version of REJIG handle motion vectors?

[yuinfo]

Also, what is the purpose of the SETTINGS button on REJIG where is gives the option of OLD ENGINE and NEW ENGINE?
You have detailed explanations in this thread, shortly: old engine - good for lighter compresions; new engine - will soon be raplaced with new-new engine :)

Plus, does this version of REJIG handle motion vectors?
No. Neither do other transcoders, as far as I know.

[layer3maniac]

WOW! I haven't tested ReJig for awhile. This is SWEEEET, Nic!

[Paced]

Originally posted by biggy7
having read the good reports about rejig, i decided to have a go.

was doing a dvd movie, got through all the processes and was on demuxing subs, then crashed :( had to close it. This happened to anyone else?

Yes, it happened to me twice yesterday when I decided to give the program a shot :)

[Nic]

Could you let me know the films (and region) as well as the streams you were trying to process....so that I can re-create the crash, and hopefully fix it for the next release...

-Nic

[Paced]

Originally posted by Nic
Could you let me know the films (and region) as well as the streams you were trying to process....so that I can re-create the crash, and hopefully fix it for the next release...

-Nic

Sure thing - Back To The Future (part 1), region 4 (PAL), main movie :) I'll try it on another one of my DVDs tonight, and see if I can get the same crash again (although it happened twice with BTTF). Keep up the good work by the way :)

[dragongodz]

Paced - tommorow i am getting a lend for a couple of days of back to the future 1 dvd from a freind to try and recreat the problem. can you tell me exactly what you did so i can make sure i do the exact same ?

[Paced]

Originally posted by dragongodz
Paced - tommorow i am getting a lend for a couple of days of back to the future 1 dvd from a freind to try and recreat the problem. can you tell me exactly what you did so i can make sure i do the exact same ?

Sure :) All I did was run ReJig.exe, clicked on the "DVD Backup" option, and opened the DVD from my hard drive. It was all fine up until it started to mux the subtitles - it ended up crashing :( Let's hope you get the same crash, so we can fix this problem :)

[dragongodz]

Paced - did you keep all audio and subs or deselect some ? if so which ?

[Paced]

Originally posted by dragongodz
Paced - did you keep all audio and subs or deselect some ? if so which ?

I kept all subtitles, and kept all audio channels (AC3 and director's comments) - minus the DTS sound.

[dragongodz]

ok i have the results of over 5.5 hours work.

crash when muxxing subs with back to the future - could not reproduce.
i first did backup direct from dvd and that didnt crash. so then used dvddecrypter 3.1.9.0 to rip in file mode(all files) to HD and tried it from there. again no crash. only stream deselected was the DTS audio track same as Paced did. rejig had to be closed between sessions though since it would crash trying to do 2 backups from the different locations.

Nic - a bug found during all that. when processing from the dvd rejig reports(by this i mean the demuxed names) the audio as having a -560 delay and is corrected. when muxxed etc the audio is out of sync. i tried authoring the non corrected stream and it was in sync. so loaded the vobs from dvd in rejigs filemode and no delay reported. rejig however reported the ripped to hd version as having 0 delay which is of course correct. follow that ? :)

oh and also rejig corrected the audio delay even when it was 0, that should be skipped of course.

[maa]

Does the authoring part have any support for 24/96 LPCM ?
Any conversion needed ? - or does it cope ?
I read else where that a windows wav file needs converting:
"wav is in Intel byte order and DVD is always in Motorola byte order"
Would be nice if this was the first program to author Stereo 24/96 DVD video / audio.

[dragongodz]

ok some more hours of testing results with back to the future.

when direct from dvd the audio delay says 0 delay to start with. its not until it goes to the correctiung delay step(or just after demux and before delay correct starts) the files name is renamed to the -560 delay. now thats weird. that doesnt happen when going from the ripped dvd, they stay 0 delay.

also looking at the demuxed .m2v shows a time of 1:14:53 ? hmm ok jumping to the end of the .m2v shows the credits are there so it appears intact. ok so i checked the ifo, no STC dicontinuities but there is a layer break. the cell/chapter that has the layer break finishes at 1:15:06. so this could be the problem area but it really needs confirming with more dvds.

i have to take the dvd back tommorow but will have a couple of hours for a few more tests first so 1 more report with this particular dvd to come. :)

@maa - this is what the dvd authoring in rejig is based on
http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/
if you go here
http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/doc/dvdauthor.html
and go to the xml description section you will see in the audio it includes pcm and also samplerates of 48khz and 96khz. as for if it needs conversion first, i dont know, you would have to try it out. :)

[Amnon82]

oh and also rejig corrected the audio delay even when it was 0, that should be skipped of course.

Thats exactly was i told many threads before...:D

[Nic]

"oh and also rejig corrected the audio delay even when it was 0, that should be skipped of course"....Yes and I've already answered that. Jsoto who wrote the code for it recommends it gets done anyway to make sure the AC3 stream is 100% correct. But If you want me to turn it off so badly I will.

@maa: PCM Conversion is a weird thing. Lightning_UK taught me all I need to know about it, but I can't remember how far I got with it. I'll look into it.
Currently for 16bit Wavs the byte order needs to be swapped. For 24bit wavs, it's far more tricky. So I create 24bit wavs as 16bit ones currently. Can't remember how DVDAuthor would need them.

@dragongodz: Sounds like my VStrip audio delay code isn't working (which is strange? As I thought that was all ok).

The DVD Backup mode is pretty much finished as far as 0.6a is going to be concerned. It's pretty solid. Just got to work on DVDAuthor mode now. Added the new engine. On my little test file it doesn't perform well unfortunatly....(blocking on scene changes)

-Nic

[dragongodz]

"Thats exactly was i told many threads before."
sorry Amnon82 its a bit hard to remember what everyone has said in all theses pages.

"Yes and I've already answered that. Jsoto who wrote the code for it recommends it gets done anyway to make sure the AC3 stream is 100% correct. But If you want me to turn it off so badly I will."
calm Nic. how about making it an option in preferences then with default on ? that way if people want to turn it off they can. asuming most people check before burning they can redo it with this on(if they have turned it off).

"Sounds like my VStrip audio delay code isn't working (which is strange? As I thought that was all ok)."
i will see what vstrip thinks of it tommorow aswell.

"Added the new engine. On my little test file it doesn't perform well unfortunatly....(blocking on scene changes)"
well you know i plan to test and tweak the hell out of it anyway. so you know where i am. :)

[Amnon82]

All good news. Can't wait for 0.6a:D

[Nic]

@dragongodz: lol.. I'm calm :) If you guys want the AC3 Delay correction off I will, that's all I meant. It's the way I wrote it in the first place, but jsoto recommended otherwise.

Receieved a very nice email from Usman Saleem who spotted the bug in using DVD Author twice in a row causing a crash :) Thanks goto him.

As far as tweaking goes, it may well be the bitrate reaction is a bit slow, so tweaking might help a lot. The Old engine is still the best IMHO (although maybe not very accurate in hitting the precise size)

BTW: Just to be on the safe side, next release will offer two builds one with Decryption and one with out....just to warn you. (Just covering my back ;) )

-Nic

[ffroms]

I think you misunderstand about AC3 delay. We all want that option but to do correction only if AC3 delay is <>0 (there is no point doing correction when there is no delay;) ).

For crashing in DVDAuthoring I told you long time ago and you said that you gonna fix it in some new version but you forgot. Never mind as long is going to fixed.

Thank you again for great tool and can't wait to test 0.6 version (especially VOB-VOB transcoding).

FFS

[flashback8]

Hi. I have a question for you all. Last week, I finally upgraded to WinXP and the like. I heard ReJig could correctly add subs to a DVD and gave it a spin. In a nutshell, the disc won't work on my primary DVD player (Malata N996) but plays fine on my PS2 and on my computer.

Longer version: I took my Korean DVD for Ringu and tried to make a subbed DVD of the movie, i.e., without the commercials and such. (For the record, the video is NTSC progressive.) Under WinXP SP1a, I ripped it using DVD Decrypter 3.1.9.0. VOBEdit 0.6 was used to demux the VOBs. I took the video and the Japanese audio and combined them with a SUP file made from a script. ReJig 0.5e was used to remux the video, audio, and SUP file. I then used IFOEdit to correct the sub colors. (I made sure to also save the final file as a BUP.) Finally, Nero Express 6.0.0.15 was used to burn the movie onto a Fuji DVD-R disc made in Japan. Please note that, because the movie could fit on a single layer, the video was left untouched.

Once the disc was burned, I went over to my Malata deck and put it in. The player froze a few seconds after the disc had been inserted. (FYI, the video hadn't started playing yet.) I finally had to do a hard power-down in order to reset the deck and allow the disc to be ejected.

I then decided to try playing the disc on my computer and on my PS2. Both played the disc without a hitch, and the subs were perfect! Several more attempts to play the disc on the Malata failed.

Is there anything I can do to correct this problem? The thing that really annoys me is that my Malata can play DVD-Rs. A friend loaned me one that plays just fine. Under Win98 and using the same setup, I burned the exact same disc, only remuxed under IFOEdit instead of ReJig. (ReJig kept cutting off the last few minutes, probably due to FAT32's 4 GB limit.) The timer and subs were screwed up but the Malata still played the disc. *sigh* Perhaps I should try DVD+Rs?

Thanks for any help you all can provide!

[TCmullet]

@Nic: With all the problems folks seem to be having in testing your dvd-backup logic, is there any chance you could simply plop the new engine down into the 0.5e code and release 0.5f as nothing more than 5e with the new engine added? That way, those of us who are wanting to use ReJig only for .m2v reduction (via the "new" new engine) could get on our merry way, while you continue to deal with these DVD backup problems more at your leisure. ;)

[dragongodz]

ok last test with back to the future.

tried ripping iso and mounted. no delay problem.
tried file ripped with correct .m2v time disabled(in dvddecrypter), still no delay problem.
tried just ripping 1 audio stream(not even the video) in ifo mode, file renamed to -560 delay when completed.
looked at it in vstrip 0.8f_css. video PTS 0:00:00.267, audio PTS 0:00:00.267, no delay of course.
so i dont know exactly where the -560 delay is coming from.

Nic-
"If you guys want the AC3 Delay correction off I will, that's all I meant. It's the way I wrote it in the first place, but jsoto recommended otherwise."
well thats why having it as an option would be better all round. actually if people use ifo mode it is selectable for use or not. since dvdbackup mode is basically this slightly automated that shouldnt be hard. actually thinking about it more the dvdbackup mode would be the 1 to disable for now since you can do it all from ifo mode, even automatic authoring. just my opinion of course.
"who spotted the bug in using DVD Author twice in a row causing a crash"
probably the same bug that causes the crash when trying to use dvdbackup mode again after using it fully once. :)
"it may well be the bitrate reaction is a bit slow, so tweaking might help a lot."
more than reaction time, quantative aswell.
"The Old engine is still the best IMHO (although maybe not very accurate in hitting the precise size)"
for reduction to 85% size i would agree but after that you will see where it fails with motion. try 70% with a slow panning shot and watch the focus be lost and then regained and see the juddering. with the new engine the motion is much smoother and the focus is not lost like that. of course i am really talking about the last tweaked version i did and not the one in 0.5e. i never tweaked that since Makira released the changes/fixes so i didnt see the point.
"next release will offer two builds one with Decryption and one with out....just to warn you. (Just covering my back)"
well i did offer a suggestion about that(by email if you remember) way back with rejig 0.4. so there would not need to be 2 versions.

flashback8 -
"Nero Express 6.0.0.15 was used to burn the movie"
this could be the cause. a freind of mine uses IC7 and converts the .pdi to an iso. he then used to burn the iso with nero. they would play fine with his voxon dvd player but his panasonic would have all kinds of problems, half the time they wouldnt even start and the rest of the time they jerked so much they were unwatchable. he found that using 2 specific(expensive) dvd-r media however worked on both but since he had plenty of the first media that was not an ideal solution. he then tried burning the isos with dvddecrypter on the first media and guess what, yep they play perfect with both players. so try different burning software would be my first suggestion. if that doesnt help try different brand media.

[flashback8]

Hi.

Dragongodz: Thanks. I'd heard Nero wasn't that good but the first disc I burned deceived me, I guess.

Just curious, do anyone know of any good freeware image makers? I'd try burning a Nero image but the discs I have at the moment are $2.50 a piece. Anyway, it sounds like InstantCopy is good but, frankly, I don't want to pay unless it's absolutely necessary.

Sorry for going a bit off-topic. I promise this will be my only one! ;-)

EDIT: Nevermind about the image request. It sounds like IMGTool Classic is the way to go. I'll try it tomorrow.

[Nic]

@dragongodz: Hmmm, Well I tested this new engine at 70% compared to the old engine at 70% and the old one did best, so I hope you can tune the new one to do better. I finally burnt the source code to CD so I can send it to you later.

If you can send as much of that vob as possible (the first few meg) and the IFO file to my email, ill be able to track down where that delay is coming from.

I looked through your old emails. Yup I remember your proposal now. To have the decryption in a DLL. Hmmm, Still don't like the idea of having ReJig as more than one file. Also I like the idea of offering one that's completely legal one that might be considered not.

-Nic

[dragongodz]

Nic -
"Well I tested this new engine at 70% compared to the old engine at 70% and the old one did best"
i believe you but also try the same with rejig 0.4 mod3 and see how that looks. that doesnt have changes i planned because Makira already put in some of them with the latest new engine but is tweaked somewhat. the thing is Makira still used his own settings so improvements(IMO)/tweaks i made have to be redone each time.
"I hope you can tune the new one to do better"
i am confident i can but how much will have to wait until i have done it. then others can judge. actually much later i plan to test changing the engine to...maybe i should not say anymore for now. :D
"so I can send it to you later."
cant wait.
"If you can send as much of that vob as possible"
already thought of. just need to get the size right and decide what to include and what to discard.
"Still don't like the idea of having ReJig as more than one file. Also I like the idea of offering one that's completely legal one that might be considered not."
ye i understand totally. still it would save people asking "have i got the right version ?" etc. so really just a thought.

[djan]

@ Nic :

Well, why to not release ReJig without that new Engine ? I think the old one is much better. You know, I'm always waiting for a new release without that problem of encoding only the end half of the movie like I had with "Traffic". Remember ? I sent you the DVD.

Keep your hard work ! Good chance.

[Amnon82]

@ flashback8 : I wrote a realy good guide creating DVDs with freeware. In this guide I described how to burn also the disc.

Creating ISO and Burning part of my guide. (http://www.rj-elektronik.de/avideo/maineng.php?set=drp22guide#Creating_the_ISO_and_burning_it)

All need programs You can download on my page www.dvdr-page.tk.

I think this will help you

[yuinfo]

I've just run Rejig (0.5e) doing only video in File mode side by side with Sonic Foundry Vegas 4 doing only wav->AC3 conevrsion. Intersting, Rejig uses only 0%-9% of the processor, while Vegas grabs the rest.

Can Rejig be a little more agresive for processor usage by default?

Regards and keep up the fantastic work, Nic.

[m99]

Is it Rejig 0.9 who's on the map to not be released ;-)
Sorry, I've had a cognac, or four.

[Amnon82]

I think You had five:D

[layer3maniac]

I just did Star Trek Nemesis and the subtitles are out of sync. Not sure if this is a known problem.

[dragongodz]

layer3maniac - Rejig 0.6a shouldnt be too far away now. wait until you see all the work Nics been doing, pretty cool. so can you please test it again when it is released ?