AVCHD / MPEG2 (SD_VIDEO) support in Panasonic SDHC BD players & Viera TV (multiAVCHD)

[deank]

You asked:

...maybe there is some switch inside bdm's to have NTSC material?

and I answered:

No, there isn't such 'switch'.

I said that there is an octet in CPI/CLPI about resolution and an octet for FPS. But...

I was confused with aspect ratio (4:3 or 16:9) when I said 'it is only in CPI', I admit... May be I've been tired of 100 updates per day :)

Dean

[espero]

I also asked about this few times, but... doesnt matter :)

Maybe there is some switch inside mpl or cpi which have to be on?


Do you know what is the offset of fps setting in cpi and mpl? Maybe we can do the same cheat with fps setting?

The most important think is... we have a full success.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Dean,

Just to let you know, I've made an announcement over on the AVForums (in a couple of threads) regarding the "AVCHD SD card" muxing functionallity of multiAVCHD...


Cheers mate :)

[deank]

:) Thanks SMD!

@espero: You'll find (not only you, of course :D) a new option in author (build 563)! And it is not as simple as "just offset $82".

Report back on success :) or faliure.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_vieraFPS.jpg

[espero]

:) thank you

I think we can remove these options "force" and set these values as constant. Viera TV's seems to accept only 1080i and 25fps in AVCHD. How do you think?

[deank]

I don't know... Did it work after all?

There are other regions - PAL is not the only one :) And these options affect BD players too, not only Viera TVs.

[espero]

I don't know... Did it work after all?

There are other regions - PAL is not the only one :) And these options affect BD players too, not only Viera TVs.

OK, here goes my report:

SD_TEST_DS001 29.97 fps 1920x1080 WORKS
SD_TEST_DS002 59.94 fps 1280x720 WORKS
SD_TEST_DS003 24.00 fps 1280x720 WORKS
SD_TEST_DS004 29.97 fps 720x480 DOESNT WORK - ITS OBVIOUS
SD_TEST_DS005 29.97 fps 720x480 DOESNT WORK - ITS OBVIOUS
SD_TEST_DS006 29.97 fps 720x480 DOESNT WORK - ITS OBVIOUS

and two of my NTSC films 1280x720 29.97 fps - WORKS

So, it looks we have almost full featured ;) AVCHD player :)

It is also great that on one card can be films in NTSC in different fps and also PAL thanks to separate mpls and other great code made by you :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Viera TV's seems to accept only 1080i and 25fps in AVCHD. How do you think?My TV has no problems playing 1920x1080p AVC sources

[espero]

My TV has no problems playing 1920x1080p AVC sources

I see, well... I haven't got any 1080p sample so I couldn't test it. If it works - great. Panasonic wrote in the manual that AVCHD playability in their TVs is for playing movies from the AVCHD cameras (they are all 1080i) therefore I assumed that 1080p is not working...

[SeeMoreDigital]

I see, well... I haven't got any 1080p sample so I couldn't test it. If it works - great. Panasonic wrote in the manual that AVCHD playability in their TVs is for playing movies from the AVCHD cameras (they are all 1080i) therefore I assumed that 1080p is not working...Actually, a few of Panasonics AVCHD camcorders offer a "1080 progressive" capture mode

[deank]

There are AVCHDlite camcoders and 1080p camcoders, so I'd rather leave both forced "resolution" and "framerate" to user's choice.

I'm glad it finally looks like almost all options are covered for Panasonic.

[espero]

There are AVCHDlite camcoders and 1080p camcoders, so I'd rather leave both forced "resolution" and "framerate" to user's choice.

I'm glad it finally looks like almost all options are covered for Panasonic.

Yes, I think this option is finished :)
If you have some free time please think about this small proggy for MPEG2 and Sd_video (we were talking about this few days ago).

[Mtz]

:Viera TV's seems to accept only 1080i and 25fps in AVCHD.
Because of that I think the best defaults for Viera setting to be 1080i and 25FPS. Many users don't know what to set on that fields and most of them assume the default cand be a good option.
And if these 2 options are used only for Viera, than to be available only when checking the Viera output.

enjoy,
Mtz

[SeeMoreDigital]

Here's something unexpected....

I created some AVCHD SD card muxes with 6Ch DD+, 6Ch DTS and 8Ch DTS MA. The all play fine on my BD35 and push the correct audio bit-stream via HDMI to my Onkyo amplifier :)

Very impressive!

[deank]

Because of that I think the best defaults for Viera setting to be 1080i and 25FPS. And if these 2 options are used only for Viera, than to be available only when checking the Viera output.

Are you saying that there are no NTSC Viera TVs that support AVCHD playback?

Both options affect panasonic sdhc output (not only Viera output). I can default the fps to 25. The resolution is 1080i by default anyway.

Here's something unexpected....

It seems Panasonic BD switches to normal blu-ray mode even via SD - that was what I expected.

Did you have any chance to test AVCHD for DVD-R output with [x] Strict AVCHD folder mode?

Dean

[deank]

I updated multiAVCHD so now 1080i and 25.000 are default and will be used only in Viera TV mode.

[B2K24]

@espero I don't know if you solved your audio problem yet but I had very similar experience to yours and registered to give you solution but this forum makes you wait 5 days before can post.

To get 29.97 to 25, 24 or 23.976 is very simple. play the video file with VLC player and by default the J and K keys on keyboard apply a positive or negative delay in MS by 50 to audio.

adjust until you get perfect sync then note the difference. For example lets say -2000 MS

Next you need a program called Delaycut open the audio file with Delaycut and put -2000 into delay column start box
leave crc errors to silence and hit process.

Remux fixed ac3 to MKV and should solve your problem.

[espero]

@espero I don't know if you solved your audio problem yet but I had very similar experience to yours and registered to give you solution but this forum makes you wait 5 days before can post.

To get 29.97 to 25, 24 or 23.976 is very simple. play the video file with VLC player and by default the J and K keys on keyboard apply a positive or negative delay in MS by 50 to audio.

adjust until you get perfect sync then note the difference. For example lets say -2000 MS

Next you need a program called Delaycut open the audio file with Delaycut and put -2000 into delay column start box
leave crc errors to silence and hit process.

Remux fixed ac3 to MKV and should solve your problem.

Thank you very much for your reply. This problem is not actual since Viera TV's accepts also different fps videos. There is no need to convert anything...

[deank]

As I posted (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1282601&postcount=2570)in multiAVCHD's thread - you can now add up-to 255 titles in Panasonic SDHC output mode (max of 1000 mts/m2ts files).

Can anyone test what is the maximum supported title count in Viera TVs and Panasonic BD players via SDHC card?

Playstation3 handled 200 titles without a problem.

Dean

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Dean,

I've just downloaded an "AVCHD-Lite" (1280x720p50) sample created from a Panasonic Lumix camera. The sample plays perfectly with my (PAL) Panasonic Viera PZ81B TV...

Here's a link to the 86MB sample: http://www.teknosrealm.com/examples/SDCard.7z


Cheers

[turbojet]

What players and tv's are confirmed to work and with what settings?

Would it be possible to get this info in the original post so it's easy to find?

[deank]

@SMD: Thanks. I'm downloading it now and will look into it tomorrow. Do you have any videos that won't play after multiAVCHD processes them?

@turbojet: I'll go through the thread to find all reports, but it is a fact that all Panasonic players have no problems playing AVCHD output from multiAVCHD via SD card. Few models of Viera TV also manage to play it.

[davsim]

As I posted (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1282601&postcount=2570)in multiAVCHD's thread - you can now add up-to 255 titles in Panasonic SDHC output mode (max of 1000 mts/m2ts files).

Can anyone test what is the maximum supported title count in Viera TVs and Panasonic BD players via SDHC card?
BD60 results with build 566v2 are:

180 titles plays fine. 18 pages of playlist are shown.
220 titles also play. 22 pages of playlist.

255 titles doesn't play. AVCHD files are not detected at all.

So, the limit is somewhere between 220-254. 220 titles should be enough for most, so I'll let others test if they want to narrow it down further.

[turbojet]

@turbojet: I'll go through the thread to find all reports, but it is a fact that all Panasonic players have no problems playing AVCHD output from multiAVCHD via SD card. Few models of Viera TV also manage to play it.

After searching the thread I found working reports of BD30, 35, 50, 60. Is it safe to assume BD10, 55, 80 play SDHC as well?

[SeeMoreDigital]

@SMD: Thanks. I'm downloading it now and will look into it tomorrow. Do you have any videos that won't play after multiAVCHD processes them? To be honest I have not tested....

Personally my primary interest is working with AVCHD/Lite sources...


Cheers

[deank]

BD60 results with build 566v2 are:

180 titles plays fine. 18 pages of playlist are shown.
220 titles also play. 22 pages of playlist.

255 titles doesn't play. AVCHD files are not detected at all.

So, the limit is somewhere between 220-254. 220 titles should be enough for most, so I'll let others test if they want to narrow it down further.

I did a test with my Playstation 3. 255 titles don't play. 254 is okay. So top is 254.

Dean

[SeeMoreDigital]

Do you have any videos that won't play after multiAVCHD processes them? Funny you should mention this....

After re-muxing the above mentioned "AVCHD-Lite" (1280x720p50) sources with multiAVCHD v566, they no longer play in my Viera PZ81B TV :(

[deank]

Is this with "Panasonic Viera" option and "Original" for FPS/resolution?

I created a compilation with the sample (1 title) and all files are identical - nothing is changed in the source.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Is this with "Panasonic Viera" option and "Original" for FPS/resolution?Hi Dean,

Yes the "Force Resolution" and "Force Frame Rate" options are set to "Original".


Cheers

[WilcoBxl]

After searching the thread I found working reports of BD30, 35, 50, 60. Is it safe to assume BD10, 55, 80 play SDHC as well?

I can confirm that 55 (euro version) also works fine ;)

[jason_peters010]

Update your multiAVCHD to 562 and try again.

There were some serious problems with playlists (if multiple scenes/mts files are present) but now it is all fixed.

I did a lot of tests (with 562) and even 720x480 (with forced 1080i) is recognized by and editable in HDwriter 2.5E:



Deank,
Once again I have this problem where my BD-35 reads the SDHC card fine but my HD Writer software does not. I did a full version download of build 570 and am using HD Writer 2.5E. What can I do to get HD Writer recognize multiavchd output? Thanks!

[deank]

All of them? Using full download (with tsmuxer 1.9.9) and viera options?

I just tested and 1280x720 with forced 1080i opened fine with HDwriter from my SD card.

[jason_peters010]

That worked. My native resolution was 720p. Thanks!

[deank]

A user reported some problems with 574:

1. Panasonic Blue-ray players à I don’t see the clips. Only audio

2. Vieira TV & camcorders à HDC-SD5 inform that there is an error in the preview and correct the errors. Then I see the preview and the clip. (Added DCIM an MISC directory)

3. AVCDHC compatible players à OK (DMP-BD35)

Can anyone test to see if it is true?

Dean

[SeeMoreDigital]

A user reported some problems with 574:

Can anyone test to see if it is true?

DeanHas he confirmed the resolution and FPS of his video streams on his SD card?

European Panasonic Viera TV's only seem to like, 1920/1440x1080 AVC/AC3 sources at 25fps. Or 1280x720 AVC/AC3 sources at 50fps (aka: AVCHD Lite).

By contrast, Panasonic Blu-ray players are far more flexible with resolutions, FPS speeds and audio stream types!


Cheers

[deank]

I have no idea what is going on.... here is his next email:

My equipment is all PANASONIC:
. Camcorder HDC-SD5
. Blue player DMP-BD35
I found the version 574 very interesting for me, but I must confirm how much said previously. My aim is to make editing of my clips recorded with my camcorder with Adobe Premiere CS4 and to transfer the clips obtained: or on SDHC for my Camcorder or DVD-R for my bluray player or on SDHC for my bluray player. It is obvious that this last option is the more convenient.
I have adopted the parameters for the respective options indicated in your tutorial, and I found that:

SDHC for Bluray player DMP-BD35 = No preview in Direct Navigator, no video, only audio
SDHC for Camcorder HDC-SD5 = Camcorder find errors in thumbnails and correct them. Then it shows the clips.
Program HDWriter read the SDHC without thumbnails.
DVD-R for Blue player DMP-BD35 = all Okay

The last version functioning for me was the 564.

Ciao


multiAVCHD hasn't changed to a point to induce such problems.

I anyone else has such problems - let me know if something needs a fix.

[Keysi_2]

Version 574 works with MKV file converted to AVCHD on SD card Panasonic TV ...PZ81B
640x352 avc1/AAC 25fps OK
1280x720 avc1/Vorbis 23.97fps OK
1280x528 avc1/Vorbis 23.97fps OK
1280x720 avc1/AC3 25fps OK
1280x528 avc1/AC3 25fps OK

[deank]

Thanks :) That's comforting to know.

A question: when you play 1280x528 is it stretched to full screen or has black bars on top/bottom?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Version 574 works with MKV file converted to AVCHD on SD card Panasonic TV ...PZ81B
1280x720 avc1/Vorbis 23.97fps OK
1280x528 avc1/Vorbis 23.97fps OK
This is odd... I don't seem to be able to get ant 23.976fps files to play on my PZ81B... Are you able to upload a test sample please?


Cheers

[deank]

espero posted that with force 25.000 fps he was able to play 23.976 files. Did you try it?

[Keysi_2]

when you play 1280x528 is it stretched to full screen or has black bars on top/bottom?

It is on full screen ( anamorphic ) but TV can't change format, plays only 16/9

As you said deank with force 25.000 fps able to play 23.976 files
The only problem is some color horizontal line on the bottom of the screen. They are only with direct convert by multiAVCHD, when I convert first on MKVmerge to 25 frames and speedup audio, screen is clear

[Keysi_2]

@SMS Here is a sample for you http://rapidshare.com/files/232446347/AVCHD.rar.html
Can you send me a setting to convert file with 1920x1080, I can't play it.

[espero]

Version 574 works with MKV file converted to AVCHD on SD card Panasonic TV ...PZ81B
640x352 avc1/AAC 25fps OK
1280x720 avc1/Vorbis 23.97fps OK
1280x528 avc1/Vorbis 23.97fps OK
1280x720 avc1/AC3 25fps OK
1280x528 avc1/AC3 25fps OK

Hi Keysi :)

It plays SD in AVCHD??? 640x352 is SD material. WOW! How did you do this? :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

@SMS Here is a sample for you http://rapidshare.com/files/232446347/AVCHD.rar.html
Can you send me a setting to convert file with 1920x1080, I can't play it.Many thanks... The 23.976 file does indeed work.

Using the "Force" options, I've been doing some experimenting of my own with 720x480@23.976 AVC sources.

If you select Force: 1080p and 25.000 together with "Force AR to 16:9" (via the "video" tab), it's possible to play these files.... However, although the top and width of the image is visible, the bottom 30 pixels or-so is missing...


Cheers

[Keysi_2]

espero yes it is SD 640x352 25.00 fps H.265 (MPEG-4 AVC) coded
multiAVCHD forced with 1080i and 25.000 fps and it plays well

[megalon]

I too get some ugly colored stripes on the screen of my Panasonic Viera LCD (see attachment).

http://www.dse.nl/~megalon/Test.jpg

I am testing with de short movie Burn-E which is a 23.98 movie. MultiAVCHD is version 565 with the default options for Panasonic Viera (1080i/25.000) and generated this log:

[17:49:49] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[17:49:49] Temp folder does not exist. Set to D:\_TEMP.
[17:49:49] Converting file to BDMV (D:\Freecom\Video\Diversen\AVCHD\Burn-E\BDMV\STREAM\00001.m2ts).
[17:49:51] Detected frame reference count: 4 (max:4).
[17:49:51] Detected video: ID#4113:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=4
[17:49:51] Track has 6 channels.
[17:49:51] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[17:49:51] Adding subtitles (ID#4608)
[17:49:51] Total of 3 tracks found in this file.
[17:49:51] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[17:49:51] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[17:49:51] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[17:49:51] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[17:50:41] Done!
[17:50:41] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[17:50:44] Preparing authoring information...
[17:50:44] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[17:50:44] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[17:50:44] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[17:50:44] Completed.
[17:50:44] Applying Panasonic SDHC for TV parameters...
[17:50:44] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[17:50:44] Done!
[17:50:45] D:\Temp\SDHC\AVCHD folder created!
[17:50:45] Copy D:\Temp\SDHC\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[17:50:45] Deleting only files in temp folder (D:\_TEMP\)...
[17:50:45] You may now remove temp folder (D:\_TEMP\).
[17:50:45] Your compilation contains 0hrs 7min 35sec of video material.
[17:50:45] End of log.

[deank]

I'm sorry, but there is hardly anything that can be done about these stripes. Use compliant video files @25fps - then I guess all will be okay.

[encyclopedia]

I have met a similiar situation, using Davsim's sample video no.1, with forced 1080i & 25p. There is always a strip of purplish noise of short verticle bars at the bottom area of the screen. It is the same in the preview window.

[encyclopedia]

I have met a similiar situation, using Davsim's sample video no.1, with forced 1080i & 25p. There is always a strip of purplish noise of short verticle bars at the bottom area of the screen. It is the same in the preview window.

And when I convert the video to 25ftp (I used AVCware video converter), the problem disappears!

Can or will multiAVCHD intergrate any solution to this?

[deank]

Video conversion is something multiAVCHD won't ever do (I hope).