AVCHD / MPEG2 (SD_VIDEO) support in Panasonic SDHC BD players & Viera TV (multiAVCHD)

[deank]

Sadly, I own Panasonic Viera TH-42PY85P which has SDHC slot, but no AVCHD support.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Many thanks everybody for your help :)

After much testing I have determined that the only version capable of generating compatible PAL muxes for use with my Panasonic PZ81 TV is.... "Build 540 - 2009-02-24".

I can now confirm that all builds above 540 fail with my Panasonic PZ81 TV but work fine with my BD-35.

This is most bizarre as I felt sure that other builds worked with my TV :eek:

[deank]

Good. I think I know what the problem is.

Can you take a look at all CPI/MPL files generated with 540 that work on your TV?

Check if CPI have CLEX segment and MPL have PLEX segment at the end (using HEX editor).

Dean

[SeeMoreDigital]

Good. I think I know what the problem is.

Can you take a look at all CPI/MPL files generated with 540 that work on your TV?

Check if CPI have CLEX segment and MPL have PLEX segment at the end (using HEX editor).

DeanHere (http://rapidshare.de/files/46941302/CPI_and_MPL_Files_from_Build_540.7z.html) are the "Build 540" CPI and MPL files for you Dean

[deank]

Please try again with the latest update (it is still build 552 but will update). There is an option in AUTHOR - ..for Panasonic Viera TV sets. Check it and test.

I really didn't see anything wrong with the cli/mpl files, but changed the 'title' to be displayed - let me know if it works.

Dean

[Sanosuke]

Hi Dean

Where did you uploaded this new version? because on the multiAVCHD thread the build version is written "551"

tks

[deank]

It will update itself when you start it.

[espero]

Hi,

When I press the button AVCHD for Panasonic TV, program after short while ends with error:

(RT) Invalid array index. Array is empty - Line 10138.

:(

It seems that it creates all files but ends with above error. I put these files on SD card (tried to author mts file from the camera) - effect the same - TV doesnt recognize this...

[deank]

Can you execute multiUPDATE and try again?

(at this point line 10138 - files are not complete and won't work)

[espero]

OK, error disappeared but the effect is the same :( TV do not recognize it.

Some time ago I tried to author AVCHD movie by TMPGenc Xpress and it worked on this TV. Program of course made recompression, so this solution is non-sense. I can make it again and send you all files (except mts), how do you think? It would be usefull for you?

here is the log:
[15:39:26] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 553)

[15:39:26] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[15:39:26] only 40 title(s).

[15:39:26] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[15:39:26] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[15:39:26] Converting file to BDMV (C:\TTTT\00000.MTS).
[15:39:27] Track#4352 delay: -80ms
[15:39:27] Track has 6 channels.
[15:39:27] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[15:39:27] Adding subtitles (ID#4608)
[15:39:27] Total of 3 tracks found in this file.
[15:39:27] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[15:39:27] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[15:39:27] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[15:39:27] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[15:39:28] Done!
[15:39:28] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[15:39:28] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[15:39:28] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!
[15:39:28] Preparing authoring information...
[15:39:28] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[15:39:29] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[15:39:29] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[15:39:29] Completed.
[15:39:29] Applying Panasonic SDHC for TV parameters...
[15:39:29] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[15:39:29] Done!
[15:39:29] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[15:39:29] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[15:39:29] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[15:39:29] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[15:39:29] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 14sec of video material.
[15:39:29] End of log.

[deank]

I'll wait for SMD to test with his TV. The sample files he sent do not indicate what could be the exact problem and difference between build 540 and 553.

On the other hand you were never successful with any of the samples posted in this thread, so I wouldn't expect it to work for your TV. The samples you sent contain data which I cannot recreate - like menu, navigation graphics, etc.

[espero]

SMD was successfull only using older version... I am almost sure that his TV and mine uses exactly the same AVCHD module...

It is impossible that in files which I sent you there are some menus, navigation graphics, etc because this camera do not support such features. And also Panasonic TV's do not support such things - these features are not needed for them and if they exist they are being ignored...

EDIT:
IT WORKED!!! I authored the same 0000.mts from the camera using build 540 and it worked!

I tried to author some other videos (720x576, 25fps, vob (mpg)) using build 540 with no luck. TV says it is not recognized:

[16:46:00] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 540)

[16:46:00] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[16:46:00] only one title (m2ts/mts/mpls/clpi).

[16:46:00] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[16:46:00] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[16:46:00] You enabled Panasonic SDHC output. Only one title will be available!
[16:46:00] Converting file to BDMV (C:\TTTT\video.mpg).
[16:46:00] Track has 6 channels.
[16:46:00] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#128)
[16:46:00] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[16:46:00] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[16:46:00] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[16:46:00] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[16:46:09] Done!
[16:46:09] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[16:46:09] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD_o\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[16:46:09] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!
[16:46:09] Preparing authoring information...
[16:46:09] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[16:46:09] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[16:46:09] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[16:46:09] Completed.
[16:46:09] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[16:46:09] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[16:46:09] Done!
[16:46:09] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD_o\AVCHD folder created!
[16:46:09] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD_o\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[16:46:09] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[16:46:10] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[16:46:10] Your compilation contains 0hrs 3min 41sec of video material.
[16:46:10] End of log.

[deank]

Can you send me the output from build 540 and 553 in 2 different archives? Please use the same m2ts file and include it, too.

I'm really puzzled already.

[espero]

Here you go:

Made with b553+ (doesnt work)
http://rapidshare.com/files/227158754/Avchd_new.zip.html

Made with b540 (works)
http://rapidshare.com/files/227160112/Avchd_old.zip.html

[deank]

I downloaded 540 myself...

It is just absurd! Please try again your compilation with build 554 and let me know.

And please test without the option [x] Force level 4.1.

[espero]

:-(

It doesnt work with option Force level 4.1. ON and it doesnt work with option Force level 4.1. OFF
Of course newest version b554 of multiAVCHD (from the update)

Maybe option aspect ratio 16:9 should be on?!

What about option AVCHD/BDMV version 001 and 002? maybe this should be changed?

[deank]

I binary compared all files from build 540 and 554 and the only difference is the time-stamp - nothing else. You can try this in 554: delete your .ini file and do another test.

Also - can you check with mkv file, not mts.

There are 4 bytes that are different in the playlist, but those are generated by tsmuxer... What version do you have?

[espero]

I deleted ini file, checked again Panasonic SDHC and For Viera options and... the same.

I do not understand it either.......

I cant use mkv because I tried 3 of them and also one vob (720x576,25fps) and it doesnt worked even on b540...

[deank]

Execute multiUPDATE.exe and check again. It will work now... please let it work.

[espero]

cpi only difference is 1 byte but in mpl there are 13 differences, I think that something wrong (for this TV) is in playlist...

[deank]

Did you check with multiUPDATE.exe to update your multiAVCHD.exe? now playlists are identical. and cpis and everything... it is the chapter marks that cause the problem - just the same way as with Panasonic BD players... they refuse if there are chapter marks and TV's also have problem with it.

[espero]

Did you check with multiUPDATE? now playlists are identical.

YES - IT WORKS!

So the chapter marks shouldnt be there...

There is another problem, why any other mkv's, vob's etc are not working...

[deank]

Ok, lets see if build 555 will handle it all.

Hopefully it won't break anything in Panasonic BD players with SDHC - in fact it may make this 10s cut which davsim experienced go away.

[espero]

VOB doesnt work:

DVD "VOB" format
MPEG-2 Program Stream << { 1 vid, 1 aud }
Sys Bitrate: 10080 kb/s VBR
AC3, 48000Hz 448 kb/s tot , 6 chnls (3/2 .1)
720 x 576
25.000 fps

now I will try:
[19:16:03] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 555)
[19:16:03] Converting to BDMV structure (C:\TTTT\volcano.mkv).
[19:16:04] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 25.000fps (AR:1.78)
[19:16:04] Detected audio: ID#3:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/6ch) Language: eng

[deank]

Don't be greedy :)

How do you import VOB in multiAVCHD? I never said it is supported anyway. Do the other file-types work and do they play on your TV?

[espero]

Don't be greedy :)

How do you import VOB in multiAVCHD? I never said it is supported anyway. Do the other file-types work and do they play on your TV?

I thought VOB is equal to MPG?

Unfortunately two mkv's I tried doesnt work :( Do you have any idea why?

Full log:

[19:16:03] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 555)

[19:16:03] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[19:16:03] only 40 title(s).

[19:16:03] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[19:16:03] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[19:16:03] Converting to BDMV structure (C:\TTTT\volcano.mkv).
[19:16:04] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 25.000fps (AR:1.78)
[19:16:04] Detected audio: ID#3:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/6ch) Language: eng
[19:16:04] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[19:16:04] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[19:17:22] Done!
[19:17:22] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[19:17:23] Preparing authoring information...
[19:17:23] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[19:17:23] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[19:17:23] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[19:17:23] Completed.
[19:17:23] Applying Panasonic SDHC for TV parameters...
[19:17:24] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[19:17:24] Done!
[19:17:24] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[19:17:24] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[19:17:24] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[19:17:24] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[19:17:24] Your compilation contains 0hrs 59min 12sec of video material.
[19:17:24] End of log.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'll wait for SMD to test with his TV. The sample files he sent do not indicate what could be the exact problem and difference between build 540 and 553.Good news....

It looks as though build 554 has cracked the Panasonic TV issue :D

I dropped 6No files into the application, generated an AVCHD mux, transfered the folders onto an SD card and slid the card into my TV.

My TV had no problems displaying all the files on the card and selecting between them was very fast and stable.... Brilliant work Dean

[deank]

@SMD: can you please test with other (and longer) files like MKV, MTS, MPG, etc... It should all work in build 555.

@espero: It is posible that the level is too high or any other reason. Do all MKV files fail?

[espero]

SMD: can you upload to rapidshare some of these files which worked for you?

[Sanosuke]

Good news....

It looks as though build 554 has cracked the Panasonic TV issue :D

I dropped 6No files into the application, generated an AVCHD mux, transfered the folders onto an SD card and slid the card into my TV.

My TV had no problems displaying all the files on the card and selecting between them was very fast and stable.... Brilliant work Dean

Hi SMD

Actually I`ve been tried on the Viera brazilian version of 42PZ80. It plays AVCHD, but I don`t know but the last sample that Espero sent which worked (build 540) did not worked in this TV. For a while I thought that my TV was the problem but I got some files thru DMC-TS1 (Lumix with AVCHD lite) and the files had played ok. My question is if you are just using videos in PAL to make work at TV
Is it possible to send your samples to me to make tests on my TV?

tks

[deank]

@espero: Many thanks for helping with Panasonic TV issue so far. Thanks!

[espero]

@espero: It is posible that the level is too high or any other reason. Do all MKV files fail?

@espero: Many thanks for helping with Panasonic TV issue so far. Thanks!

my pleasure :)


I tried another file and it doesnt work :(

[19:58:35] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 556)

[19:58:35] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[19:58:35] only 40 title(s).

[19:58:35] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[19:58:35] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[19:58:35] Converting to BDMV structure (C:\TTTT\alaska.mkv).
[19:58:36] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 29.970fps (AR:1.78)
[19:58:36] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/2ch) Language: und
[19:58:36] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[19:58:36] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[19:59:49] Done!
[19:59:49] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[19:59:50] Preparing authoring information...
[19:59:50] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[19:59:50] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[19:59:50] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[19:59:50] Completed.
[19:59:50] Applying Panasonic SDHC for TV parameters...
[19:59:50] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[19:59:50] Done!
[19:59:50] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[19:59:50] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[19:59:50] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[19:59:50] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[19:59:50] Your compilation contains 0hrs 58min 25sec of video material.
[19:59:50] End of log.

[deank]

It is possible that your PAL TV won't accept NTSC videos (like the alaska 29.970fps).

Process again your old mts file (25fps) with build 556 just to make sure there are no other issues.
Try with another PAL clips (25pfs).

* edit * : You can use "CUT END" in Muxer tab to shorten your test times :). Put 120 in the box and it will cut just 2 mins from your video.

[espero]

It is possible that your PAL TV won't accept NTSC videos (like the alaska 29.970fps).

Process again your old mts file (25fps) with build 556 just to make sure there are no other issues.
Try with another PAL clips (25pfs).

This TV support files from NTSC cameras. First file was PAL (25 fps) and also failed :(

It seems it is not possible to show any mkv converted to mts on this TV :( Maybe SMD will send me some working files...

What about option force 4.1 AVC level? maybe it will help?

*edit*
first PAL file - failed again (b556)... Thanx for help with CUT END :) it really shortened whole procedure...

[deank]

So which files work for you in the end?

Please post the exact parameters of your input videos (resolution, framerate, interlaced/progressive).

[espero]

So which files work for you in the end?

Please post the exact parameters of your input videos (resolution, framerate, interlaced/progressive).

works only files from the camera authored again by multiAVCHD:

Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920x1088 [Video] Interlaced
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 448Kbps [Audio]

doesnt work: mkv's I have:

alaska.mkv
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 29.97fps [Video] Progressive
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]

volcano.mkv
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 25.00fps [Video] Progressive
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]

and one mkv from unknown reason tsmuxer cant load:
sample.mkv
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 23.98fps [Video] Progressive
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]

[deank]

A simple trick you can try:

Open (with HEX editor (http://www.handshake.de/user/chmaas/delphi/download/xvi32.zip)) 00000.CPI for one of the files you can't play and change zero-based offset 0x0108 from 5X to 4X.

You can also try the same with the MPL file for this MTS/CPI pair @ offset 0x82.

I noticed that Panasonic's HDwriter (the version I have is 2.5E) will accept nothing but 1080i/1080p (values 0x4X and 0x6X).

Dean

[espero]

I reencoded part of volcano.mkv with the same resolution, same bitrate, but in interlaced mode instead of progressive - result - the same, doesn work.
Now I will try to reencode it to 1920x1080i and then play like you said...

edit:
reencoded volcano.mkv to 1920x1080i - doesnt work :(


edit 2:

WOW!!! :)

IT WORKS!!!

I changed the vaules as you said, and IT WORKS!!! Can you add such function to CHEAT these TV's? I changed 5X to 4X in both: CPI and MPL.

I think Panasonic Vieras only accepts 1980x1080i and 1980x1080p, ane maybe even not "p" since the cameras are only "i". I havent 1080p material so I cant check this...

[deank]

Can you try/test with uncropMKV and post back?

You have the full multiAVCHD download I guess.

[espero]

Can you try/test with uncropMKV and post back?

You have the full multiAVCHD download I guess.

hmmm I dont understand, uncropMKV just generated 0 byte file with the extension .264 and doesnt do enything more...

Maybe It would be more convinient for less advanced people to cheat these cpi and mpl files in the multiAVCHD. This cheat would work only if Panasonic Viera TV checkbox is on...

[deank]

Did you edit the CPI/MPL files with 1280x720 resolution and did it work? If you didn't edit them - send me an email with them (.rar) and I'll send them back to you for a test.

[espero]

Did you edit the CPI/MPL files with 1280x720 resolution and did it work? If you didn't edit them - send me an email with them (.rar) and I'll send them back to you for a test.

YES, exactly. I edit CPI/MPL for the volcano.mkv (which doesnt work earlier).
I changed cpi at offset 0x0108 from 5X to 4X, and changed mpl at offset 0x82 from 5X to 4X.

I sent you and email with edited cpi and mpl...

[deank]

Oh, sorry.. I didn't see your edited post ;)

You can try to change the value to 6X which is for 1080p.

I'll add an option now.

[Sanosuke]

YES, exactly. I edit CPI/MPL for the volcano.mkv (which doesnt work earlier).
I changed cpi at offset 0x0108 from 5X to 4X, and changed mpl at offset 0x82 from 5X to 4X.

I sent you and email with edited cpi and mpl...

@espero: Could you upload the entire file to test on my TV thru rapidshare?

tks

[espero]

@espero: Could you upload the entire file to test on my TV thru rapidshare?

tks

Hi, I will do this just after Dean will release new version of multiAVCHD with new option included.

[deank]

Run your multiAVCHD and it will update to 557. Let me know if it works.

You will find a new panel in AUTHOR tab for Panasonic. Set your desired forced resolution (it seems 1080i works).

Dean

* edit * I got a report that it is working now with 1080i forced resolution.... finally.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi guys,

Here's a PAL sample test (http://rapidshare.de/files/46958493/PRIVATE.7z.html) generated using build 556.

I've muxed the same files with build 557 and all is good :)

I'll try again with some of the new "Force Resolution" options and report back ;)

[espero]

Run your multiAVCHD and it will update to 557. Let me know if it works.

You will find a new panel in AUTHOR tab for Panasonic. Set your desired forced resolution (it seems 1080i works).

Dean

* edit * I got a report that it is working now with 1080i forced resolution.... finally.

Yes it FINALLY works :) but... only for 25fps
Do you know what is the offset of fps setting in cpi and mpl?

Maybe we can do the same cheat with fps setting?

Second thing:
I tried this cheat (with 1080i setting) on MPEG:
Video: MPEG2 Video 720x576 (4:3) 25.00fps 4946Kbps [Video]
Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 320Kbps [Audio]

and it doesnt work...

[deank]

I restored the title name (file name) instead of multiAVCHD for TVs Direct Navigator Menu.

FPS is in the same byte you changed... Change is only possible in CPI files. 0x42 to 0x43 for example.

1 - 23.976fps
2 - 24fps
3 - 25fps
4 - 29.970fps
6 - 50fps
7 - 59.94fps

etc... experiment...

I doubt MPEG2 audio will work whatever tweaks you apply :)

Don't expect a TV set to has all the functionality of a Blu-ray player... It is just an AVCHD player - that's it. That's why Panasonic BD players play almost all SDHC content. It is not the same.

[espero]

No luck :(
I changed in cpi offset 0x0108 from 44 to 43 (29.970fps to 25fps) on the 29.970fps file (alaska.mkv)