Blu-Ray~DVD Backup & Conversion

[DVD Maniac]

jdobbs,
Where is the download link? Cant see a sticky or link in this thread?

[TBL]

DVD Maniac: jdobbs removed the link and updated his latest post.

I'm still testing, but will post again if all looks well.

[jdobbs]

It's posted again. I tested it and it was just a bad disc, I burned three more and it worked fine on all.

Remember -- it's a beta. That means it has probably has bugs -- and this release is to help find them.

[Fishman0919]

Hmmm...., according to x264 --longhelp the --aq-mode 2 does no longer exist, only 0 or 1 are possible. Default is 1 (=Variance AQ)

Isn't --aq-mode 1 --aq-strength 1.0 set by default since a while? I thought that it needs no longer be explicitly specified, unless for values other than the default 1.0. Am I wrong here?


For Wiki (http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings#aq-mode)..

aq-mode

Adaptive Quantization Mode

Default: 2

Without AQ, x264 tends to underallocate bits to lower details sections. AQ is used to better distribute the available bits between all macroblocks in the video. This setting changes what scope AQ re-arranges bits in:

* 0: Do not use AQ at all.
* 1: Allow AQ to redistribute bits within each frame.
* 2: Allow AQ to redistribute bits across the whole video.

Recommendation: Default

See also: aq-strength
[edit] aq-strength

Adaptive Quantization Strength

Default: 1.0

Sets the strength of AQ bias towards low detail ('flat') macroblocks. Negative values are not allowed. Values more than a couple of hundred percent off from 1.0 are probably a bad idea.

Recommendation: Default

See also: aq-mode

Still works fine for me with build 1057

[G_M_C]

It's posted again. I tested it and it was just a bad disc, I burned three more and it worked fine on all.

Remember -- it's a beta. That means it has probably has bugs -- and this release is to help find them.

Could you provide me with the link ....

/me cant find it :?

[rendez2k]

Could you provide me with the link ....

/me cant find it :?

It's in a sticky so go back to the main DVD-rb forum.

[DVD Maniac]

Thanks jdobbs, wiill run a trial tonight with my favorite - A few good men" which is a tad under 2 hours run time. Can I ask about the "full backup" option - does this re-encode everything as its present on the original including menu, extras and annoying rubbish? Im still waiting for a reliable tool to edit out unwanted stuff (copyright warnings, trailers etc) I usually like to keep the useful extras.

[jdobbs]

Could you provide me with the link ....

/me cant find it :? Look here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143716

[jdobbs]

Thanks jdobbs, wiill run a trial tonight with my favorite - A few good men" which is a tad under 2 hours run time. Can I ask about the "full backup" option - does this re-encode everything as its present on the original including menu, extras and annoying rubbish? Im still waiting for a reliable tool to edit out unwanted stuff (copyright warnings, trailers etc) I usually like to keep the useful extras. It keeps everything. Editing will come in future versions -- right now you have a choice between a complete backup and movie-only.

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

A question about compatibility with BD-9 created from BD Rebuilder:
Are they playing on a PS3?

Because of testing, I only own a BluRay enabled HTPC, so thats not kinda good testing platform.
My Brother owns a PS3 which I could also use for testing.

Will a BD-R (25GB) be more compatible?

Bye

[rendez2k]

Hi!

A question about compatibility with BD-9 created from BD Rebuilder:
Are they playing on a PS3?

Because of testing, I only own a BluRay enabled HTPC, so thats not kinda good testing platform.
My Brother owns a PS3 which I could also use for testing.

Will a BD-R (25GB) be more compatible?

Bye

PS3 should be fine. It's worked with all other bd-9s I've done with ripbot. I'll update you if my first test disc with this doesn't work!

[zeus163]

So far, I love it! I remember DVDRB back in the 0.33 days, so this is a joy to be involved with. It took a few tries for me to select the correct source since I was trying to select the source like ripbot would have me to.

I have it up and running and will test back later.

This makes my winter break almost complete!

Oh yeah, I have a PS3, so that is what I will be testing it on. Probably not until tomorrow though.

[rendez2k]

Completed my first full disc backup - Eraser. Two small issues... the first is that the BD-9 was only 93% full. Not a massive issue but would have been nice to use a bit more.

My other issue is that I burnt the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders using ImgBurn but the PS3 picks it up as a data disc so I have to browse through the stream folder to find the main movie. Have I some how burnt it wrong or do I have to change settings in ImgBurn somewhere?

[jdobbs]

Completed my first full disc backup - Eraser. Two small issues... the first is that the BD-9 was only 93% full. Not a massive issue but would have been nice to use a bit more.

My other issue is that I burnt the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders using ImgBurn but the PS3 picks it up as a data disc so I have to browse through the stream folder to find the main movie. Have I some how burnt it wrong or do I have to change settings in ImgBurn somewhere? Are you setting it to the correct format? The burn has to be to a UDF 2.50 format. It doesn't sound like it. Burn using the option under the FILE menu of BD Rebuilder and it should set the format correctly. Just make sure your source and working directories are set to the right place so BD-RB can find the output.

[rendez2k]

Are you setting it to the correct format? The burn has to be to a UDF 2.50 format. It doesn't sound like it. Burn using the option under the FILE menu of BD Rebuilder and it should set the format correctly. Just make sure your source and working directories are set to the right place so BD-RB can find the output.

It is set to UDF 2.50. I'm beginning to wonder if its the rip as I can't get the original to play in PowerDVD - it just plays with a black screen. Is there away to repair or check a rip or should I just start again with it?

Edit: Another thought. I used a cheaper DL disc just to test the output and when I browse to the stream folder on the PS3 and select the main movie it stutters like mad. Could that somehow affect the PS3 seeing it as an actual movie disc?

[jdobbs]

...the first is that the BD-9 was only 93% fullThere's a setting in the config file that can change the target size... (open the config from the FILE menu and you'll see it set to 7910). I set it low for beta testing to avoid oversizing. If you decide to change it, please don't post oversizing issues... I'd rather wait until later for those kinds of adjustments.

[piratburner]

If I only want mainvideo untouched together with one soundtrack, like in TsMuxer, is this possible ? or perhaps that is a function that going to be implemented later ?

When TsMuxer have a bug with TrueHD this should be cool

[zeus163]

Like rendez2k my burned disc showed up as a Data disc. So, I had to browse through the folders as well. I'm reburning the disc without using BE Rebuilder to see if the same thing happens. I'm making sure that I have UDF 2.5 set.

Of course, kids got Rockband 2 for xmas, so it'll be a few minutes (hours) before I can check it.

OK, just checked. Burnt as a data disc for the PS3 again. I plled the BDMV and the Certificate folders into imgburn. Made sure UDF 2.5 was selected (imgburn will tell me that it looks like it is burning a blu-ray anyway and set that up). I burn it and it is a data disc.

I'll have another try at this in a few days, but until then, I'll be away. Thanks for a great program and it is quite possible that this is user error.

[rendez2k]

Like rendez2k my burned disc showed up as a Data disc. So, I had to browse through the folders as well. I'm reburning the disc without using BE Rebuilder to see if the same thing happens. I'm making sure that I have UDF 2.5 set.

Of course, kids got Rockband 2 for xmas, so it'll be a few minutes (hours) before I can check it.

Keep us updated. I used imgburn directly checking the udf setting and it didn't work. I thought I'd read somewhere about the ps3 not working with full backups but that may have been over the network. I'm running another full backup test now and letting brr do the burning this time. If it fails, I'll try a movie only backup.

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

For all PS3 users with the data disc problem, I think this caused because of usage of DVD media.

I will try tomorrow with both a DVD9 and a BD-RE.

Bye

[zeus163]

I've now used two Verbatim DVD-DL's and both show up as data discs. I'm away from the PS3 for a few days so I can't check until I get back on Saturday. I'm going to try a movie only when I get home since I can use Ripbot and and movie only and the disc is recognized.

I sure do love the ease of the program. Way to go jdobbs!

Should we move this line of wondering over to the bug thread?

[rendez2k]

Same here - full movies only show as data discs despite working in PowerDVD.. It appears it may be a PS3 issue as after a quick google search I came up with this (not directly related to this method of creating discs but the solution appears it might be the same) although I don't really understand what is being discussed

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b520d1/5

Maybe somebody with more knowledge can look at it and explain!

Edit: And a bit more... I use ProShow Gold to produce photography slideshows with accompanying music soundtracks. The latest version of PSG will create BD ISO images. The BDMV directory structure is all there, and the slideshow itself is rendered as a 1920x1080x60i (or 24p) .m2ts file. If I simply burn that to a regular DVD-R (instead of a BD-R) and pop it into the PS3, it shows up as a "data disc". Manually navigating into the BDMV/STREAMS/ directory and playing the 00000.m2ts file works (1920x1080 resolution, looks great).

I would like the PS3 to recognize the disc as video content and automatically begin playback (like a "real" DVD or BD would). So I've been playing with TSRemux, copying the MovieObject.bdmv and index.bdmv files from Nero and the AVC-HD calibration disc, etc. Now the PS3 does automatically start playback of the disc... one step closer!

[rendez2k]

OK, got a little further with this. It appears the issue is with the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv. A forum post I found advised replacing these with 'nero' ones which I did. The disc does now show as a movie disc in the PS3 but then refuses to play (goes to a black screen after a few seconds of disc activity). I'm guessing these files may have to be edited in some way to make the PS3 happy....

I loaded both the newly created BD9 with replaced nero files (top image) and the original BR rip (bottom image) into BDEdit and there were a fair few differences - maybe something to do with the HDMV vs BD-J setting?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/rendez2k/br.jpg

[turbojet]

jdobbs thanks for allowing the use of DTS and original AC3 file that I had asked about earlier.

I notice RESIZE in the ini and thought that might resize down to 720p but it doesn't seem to, what effect, if any, does it have?

Also is there any way to blank extras and menu buttons currently with any program?

[jdobbs]

RESIZE isn't enabled. It is there for future usage.

[piratburner]

I Thought this SW should have the same functionality as TsMuxer + x264 reencode, is it going to be only a encode SW ?

[jdobbs]

It analyzes, encodes, remuxes, and produces a backup of a BD... The concept is that it will be a BD version of DVD Rebuilder. Have you looked at it?

[jdobbs]

OK, got a little further with this. It appears the issue is with the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv. A forum post I found advised replacing these with 'nero' ones which I did. The disc does now show as a movie disc in the PS3 but then refuses to play (goes to a black screen after a few seconds of disc activity). I'm guessing these files may have to be edited in some way to make the PS3 happy....

I loaded both the newly created BD9 with replaced nero files (top image) and the original BR rip (bottom image) into BDEdit and there were a fair few differences - maybe something to do with the HDMV vs BD-J setting?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i37/rendez2k/br.jpg I know there are people reporting successful BD encodes for the PS3 using TSMUXER. I don't personally own a PS3 so I can't comment. But I thought they were using standard BD-5 and BD-9 discs.

[piratburner]

It analyzes, encodes, remuxes, and produces a backup of a BD... The concept is that it will be a BD version of DVD Rebuilder. Have you looked at it?

So if I want to muxing the mainmovie from BD and HD sound (without reencode, it takes to long time, and i have lot of harddrivesspace for my TviX :-) )
I still need to use TsMuxer or TsREmux to get mainmovie, HD-sound/subs to a m2ts file ?

[jdobbs]

No. It does it all within BD Rebuilder. All you should have to do with the output is play it. TSMUXER is run from within BD Rebuilder.

[piratburner]

No. It does it all within BD Rebuilder. All you should have to do with the output is play it. TSMUXER is run from within BD Rebuilder.

I going to rest it again, but I don't want to use any encoder (x264) just M2TS-muxing the mainmovie/sound/sub. And there is a problem with TrueHD in TsMuxeR, have you solved that in your app ?

[jdobbs]

Well sorta. TrueHD is always downconverted to standard AC3..

[bobrap]

Just wanted to chime in and add I did The Bucket List (movie only) to BD-5 and it plays just great in PS3. :thanks:

[jdobbs]

Just wanted to chime in and add I did The Bucket List (movie only) to BD-5 and it plays just great in PS3. :thanks:No issues with it saying it was a Data disc? That's interesting.

[piratburner]

Well sorta. TrueHD is always downconverted to standard AC3..

OK ;-) so if I wan't the video untouched together with HD sound in a m2ts file, then this is not the SW I shall use ? So I continue using tsMuxeR & TsREmux and hope for a update on these 2 SW:-)

[rendez2k]

No issues with it saying it was a Data disc? That's interesting.

Are movie only discs technically different to full discs? I've tried all kind of tricks to get my bd5 test disc to work. I've got as far as the ps3 recognizing the disc as a proper movie but then get an unsupported movie error.

[jdobbs]

OK ;-) so if I wan't the video untouched together with HD sound in a m2ts file, then this is not the SW I shall use ? So I continue using tsMuxeR & TsREmux and hope for a update on these 2 SW:-) Sorry -- but it just isn't practical to make a BD-5 or BD-9 backup of a disc and keep those huge audio streams (especially since the difference isn't typically detectable in double blind tests). I can make BD Rebuilder do it (and probably will), but I'm not inclined to do so during the beta testing.

[jdobbs]

Are movie only discs technically different to full discs? I've tried all kind of tricks to get my bd5 test disc to work. I've got as far as the ps3 recognizing the disc as a proper movie but then get an unsupported movie error. Not in format. There is the possibility of java code in full discs (menus etc) that isn't on movie-only. But the disc structure and format is exactly the same.

[zeus163]

When I get back, I'm going to try movie only. I think that will work. I know it works with ripbot, but I'd like to preserve the menus as well. I'm hoping we can figure out why a whole back-up isn't working quite right with the PS3--I'm sure it is a PS3 thing. If it is the editing of the files index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv, would BD-RB be able to edit those files before burning? If we can figure out what the magic files are and how they need to be editted, maybe a check mark can be added to BD-RB that let's the program know the disc is being created for a PS3. Then you start to wonder if those discs would play on a regular blu-ray player as well with those edited files. So many thoughts going through my head right now and I'm away from my machines with blu-ray playing capabilities. Ugh.

I will also try the disc I created at my in-laws. They got a blu-ray player for xmas.

[bobrap]

No issues with it saying it was a Data disc? That's interesting.

No sir. Burned the disc from outside BD Rebuilder using Imgburn. Switched file system to UDF and made sure the revision was set to 2.5. Will try a full disc this evening.:D

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

A feature request:
For backup to BD-R, it would be nice to choose to not reencode choosen Video/Audio streams.

For example in some cases its enough to reencode extras, leave out some audio of the main movie and reencode (or not) audio of the main movie. So there is no need to reencode the main movie itself.

Best regards

[jdobbs]

You can do that with audio, but you really have no choice with video. The maximum bitrate is too high on the original for BD-5 or BD-9 and it freezes/stutters if it isn't reencoded with a lower max.

[Chefkoch_ico]

You can do that with audio, but you really have no choice with video. The maximum bitrate is too high on the original for BD-5 or BD-9 and it freezes/stutters if it isn't reencoded with a lower max.

I meant for BD-R Single Layer 25GB. There this should not be a problem.

[piratburner]

Hi!

A feature request:
For backup to BD-R, it would be nice to choose to not reencode choosen Video/Audio streams.

For example in some cases its enough to reencode extras, leave out some audio of the main movie and reencode (or not) audio of the main movie. So there is no need to reencode the main movie itself.

Best regards

I like that :D , while I'm using a TviX I would only demux main video and sound/subs a prefer. Then a have the best quality :D

[NobbyNobbs]

As you came out with the beta, just as I got a BD drive for my new PC, I just had to click on the "donate" button in DVD-RB again, just as a thank you for giving us a new toy to play with :D

[jdobbs]

Thanks. Much appreciated. :)

[Sophocles]

I have no complaints except reading through your bug thread where those who would rather debate than contribute have found their way. This is part of the reason that I finally stopped beta testing DiVx H.264.


On a plus note Donald and I have together completed 4 BD movies with success. I re-encoded an art film classic;) "The Devils Rejects" with High Quality slower encode settings. The movie has an estimated run time of 2:09 and it took just under 4 hours.

Nice work. I don't suppose it will convert HD DVD to BD?

[jikchung]

I don't suppose it will convert HD DVD to BD?

I hope that it does, I have a stack of those to convert...

[Sophocles]

These are some questions asked in another forum.


Quick question on the installation. I don't understand on the video decoder configuration on FFDSHOW that MPEG2 decoding is supposed to be enabled. Well on Codecs, MPEG2 format is selected, Decoder is libmpeg2. Is this it? Or I have to check the checkbox "DVD decoding" at the bottom also? I have the latest FFDSHOW revision 2527 (Dec 19, 2008).

Regarding Matroska Splitter (it's called Haali Media Splitter 1.8.122.18), choosing the default settings at the installation is fine? So Matroska handles mkv file? Doesn't FFDSHOW already support it?

So BD-RB converts to BD or AVCHD format? And these can be burned onto DVD5/9 and played on BD standalone player, correct?

Do you know any free players that can play BD?

I assume I will get the PowerDVD BD software if I buy the retail BD burner? If I buy one from newegg as OEM, then no software, no connectors, nada, nothing? I'm not crazy in catching up with technology. Their prices will soon fall in another year or two.

Hey, all these questions means I'm going from a DVD enthusiast to a BD newbie - I'm going back to first grade. Soon I will be catching up to ya'll. I will learn the details of BD structure as I did with DVD structure to do some complex reauthoring.
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[jdobbs]

Quick question on the installation. I don't understand on the video decoder configuration on FFDSHOW that MPEG2 decoding is supposed to be enabled. Well on Codecs, MPEG2 format is selected, Decoder is libmpeg2. Is this it? Yes.
Or I have to check the checkbox "DVD decoding" at the bottom also? Nope.
Regarding Matroska Splitter (it's called Haali Media Splitter 1.8.122.18), choosing the default settings at the installation is fine? So Matroska handles mkv file? Doesn't FFDSHOW already support it? This is needed so BD-RB can read M2TS files during encoding via the DirectShowSource() AVISYNTH funtion.
So BD-RB converts to BD or AVCHD format? And these can be burned onto DVD5/9 and played on BD standalone player, correct?No. It converts from BD-25/50 to BD-5/9/25. But yes, the purpose is to support standalone playback.
Do you know any free players that can play BD?I don't. But I'm no expert on that.
I assume I will get the PowerDVD BD software if I buy the retail BD burner?Not necessarily.