HD-DVD to Blu-Ray. GUIDE UPDATED!!

[2themax]

drmpeg,

The new version works beautifully with Scenarist. Playback is perfect as long as the original encode does not have more than 2 B frames in a row.

[musicman2311]

drmpeg,

The new version works beautifully with Scenarist. Playback is perfect as long as the original encode does not have more than 2 B frames in a row.

interesting - can it be that a major scene change would likely have 2 consecutive B frames ? what if ?

[2themax]

interesting - can it be that a major scene change would likely have 2 consecutive B frames ? what if ?
During a scene change, it'll more than likely be an I frame. Having a B frame on a scene change will lead to a quality reduction.

I'm not sure what would happen. I may experiment a bit to find out. I have a feeling the authoring tool would catch it first though.

[musicman2311]

During a scene change, it'll more than likely be an I frame. Having a B frame on a scene change will lead to a quality reduction.

I'm not sure what would happen. I may experiment a bit to find out. I have a feeling the authoring tool would catch it first though.

thanks,
I am afraid I already have experience where authoring tool didn't catch up :( , not saying that it is the 2 B frame issue, but an issue resulting in several seconds stutter with no sound (on PS3). Will test original vc1 (1080i) for comparison now

[DonCarlos]

@glen
you said you got everything to work on the PS3?you just a programm to do something with the audio stream and then muxed it together with scenarist. Did you try the muxing together with TsMuxer? Because then we knew that the problem is in the audio and not in the muxing.

Thanks

[glen8]

I have run some more tests and found that there's a certain point in TopGun AVC H.264 which stops dead for around 4secs then resumes fine...........damn it!!!!!

I have since checked and it hangs at the same point be it using the original DD+, encoded AC3 or DTS so I don't think the audio has the problem.

I will look into this a bit more tonight but the GF is giving me grief about spending hours at the computer :mad:

I'm 99% the problem lies in the muxing.........I don't get the problem when viewing the video file straight after the H264Info step

TopGun was muxed with TSremuxer and authored using TSRemux. I guess the next step is to track down when it starts going wrong.

[musicman2311]

thanks,
I am afraid I already have experience where authoring tool didn't catch up :( , not saying that it is the 2 B frame issue, but an issue resulting in several seconds stutter with no sound (on PS3). Will test original vc1 (1080i) for comparison now

update - i confirmed, no disturbance with original (1080i).

question to the experts - any way to solve this ?

[glen8]

update - i confirmed, no disturbance with original (1080i).

question to the experts - any way to solve this ?

Have you played just the video file on your PC? before any muxing?

[musicman2311]

Have you played just the video file on your PC? before any muxing?

No I have not, but my result is clear - i burned 2 x the same movie on BD-RE, one with 1080i (original) and one with 1080p.

Only the first one plays completely without issues

[glen8]

I only ask because I have a feeling the 1080p will work fine straight after vc1conv/h264info

I'm sure topgun worked up until I muxed the video and audio together

[drmpeg]

update - i confirmed, no disturbance with original (1080i).

question to the experts - any way to solve this ?
It may be a bug with vc1conv. I have a really good verifier, but I only tested with one clip.

vc1conv maintains byte alignment, so an fc /b should only show so many differences (3 per frame). Like so:

C:\xfer>fc /b bits0001.mpv test.mpv | more
Comparing files bits0001.mpv and TEST.MPV
00000005: FE FF
00000009: CA 8A
0000000F: C9 49
00000025: 69 C0
00000026: 14 50
00002814: 79 F2
00002819: 5A 80
0000281A: 05 14
00002E33: 7D F2
00002E38: 4A 80
00002E39: 05 14
00003452: 79 F2
00003457: 5A 80
00003458: 05 14
00003A71: 7D F2
00003A76: 4A 80
00003A77: 05 14
00004090: 79 F2
00004095: 5A 80
00004096: 05 14
000046AF: 7D F2
000046B4: 4A 80
000046B5: 05 14
00004CCF: FE FF
00004CD3: CA 8A
00004CD9: C9 49
00004CEF: 61 C0
00004CF0: 14 50
000074DE: 5E 88
000074DF: 05 14
00007AF8: 7D F2
00007AFD: 4E 88
00007AFE: 05 14
00008117: 79 F2
0000811C: 5E 88
0000811D: 05 14
00008736: 7D F2
0000873B: 4E 88
0000873C: 05 14
00008D55: 79 F2
00008D5A: 5E 88
00008D5B: 05 14
00009374: 7D F2
00009379: 4E 88
0000937A: 05 14

If you start getting differences in every byte, it's probably a bug.

Ron

[glen8]

It's not just vc1conv tho, I have the same issue using H.264 with h264info

Just so I'm sure of the problem, mine stops dead for a few secs than carries on

[idbirch2]

So, just to clarify, has anyone actually got a VC-1 video stream into a .ts or .m2ts container and got it to stream to the PS3 rather than playing on a disc?

[musicman2311]

thanks Ron, and Glen - I have same thing same as you.

The problem as outlined by Glen is same for VC1 with vc1conv and H264 with h264info.

It also is rare - means I had it once in one movie each.
I also had 2 movies where the issue didn't come out whatsoever.

To idbirch - these were tested after muxing into Blu ray file structure incl. m2ts and ran on a PS3

Still great work, both vc1conv and h264info !

Unfortunately I have no means to come closely to understand whether that issue can be solved at all - I have to leave that to the experts.

[musicman2311]

So, just to clarify, has anyone actually got a VC-1 video stream into a .ts or .m2ts container and got it to stream to the PS3 rather than playing on a disc?

sorry, just realized you asked about streaming - no I had mine on disc only

[musicman2311]

I only ask because I have a feeling the 1080p will work fine straight after vc1conv/h264info

I'm sure topgun worked up until I muxed the video and audio together

yes i agree - same finding

[madshi]

The new version (0.2) of vc1conv is ready. It does the complete conversion from 29.97 fps interlaced with pulldown flags to 23.976 fps progressive. It is fully Blu-ray compatible as long as the POSTPROCFLAG field is zero (it will fail with an error message if POSTPROCFLAG is set) and there are no IMODE changes from Raw mode to anything else (not sure if any tool looks for this).

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip
Hey - cool! Two questions:

(1) Would you mind if I added your new solution to eac3to?
(2) Do you happen to have similar pulldown stripping code available for MPEG2 and h264?

Thanks!! :)

[madshi]

I think the -strippulldown switch on eac3to only applies if you are using eac3to to do the .evo demuxing (it's basically vc1conv version 0.1 integrated into eac3to demuxing). In this guide, EVODemux is being used to demux, and eac3to is only being fed the audio stream for conversion, so I can't believe -strippulldown is required or would even do anything at all.
You're right, of course.

[nekrosoft13]

The new version (0.2) of vc1conv is ready. It does the complete conversion from 29.97 fps interlaced with pulldown flags to 23.976 fps progressive. It is fully Blu-ray compatible as long as the POSTPROCFLAG field is zero (it will fail with an error message if POSTPROCFLAG is set) and there are no IMODE changes from Raw mode to anything else (not sure if any tool looks for this).

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Ron


sorry for confusion, file works

I initially got the file from here.

0.2 here

http://rapidshare.com/files/92907586/vc1conv.rar.html

file from your link is 60kb, file from rapidshare is 55kb

60kb .2 file works!! in 64bit

thanks!

[musicman2311]

multiplexing mysteries !

All, I just founf the same issue again - stutter for a few seconds - but this time with 1080i !
Strangely I had that several times now and always only once in the movie of 90 - 120 min lenght but always at about 30-32 min time stamp - is that a coincidence ?

Also I can say there was a difference with and without
vc1conv and or h264info.

I use 2 audio channels (2 languages) - one with 640kbit/sec and one with 448kbit/sec.

Next test -not sure that makes sense - reduce audio bitrate (AC3)

Any idea by the experts ? Thanks in advance

[nekrosoft13]

hmm, looks very similar
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Convert_Your_HD_DVDs_to_Blu-Ray

[glen8]

hmm, looks very similar
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Convert_Your_HD_DVDs_to_Blu-Ray

at least they gave me a link :-) still waiting for everything to be ironed out before I really go to town on the guide

[drmpeg]

Hey - cool! Two questions:

(1) Would you mind if I added your new solution to eac3to?

No problemo. I like to include the source for just that reason, and also for the linux crowd.

(2) Do you happen to have similar pulldown stripping code available for MPEG2 and h264?

Thanks!! :)
MPEG-2 would be pretty easy. However, there are so few MPEG-2 HD DVD's, I'm not sure if it's that useful. Also, there's neuron2's DGPulldown (http://neuron2.net/dgpulldown/dgpulldown.html) to cover that base. H.264 is much more involved, but now that I've written the bit handling stuff, I at least have a better starting point. I should probably finish the H.264 parsing in xport first (it's been un-finished for a long time now).

Ron

[drmpeg]

sorry for confusion, file works

I initially got the file from here.

file from your link is 60kb, file from rapidshare is 55kb

60kb .2 file works!! in 64bit

thanks!
Okay, that's good. I know folks dislike the command line applications, but the simplicity of distribution is very nice and simple. No dll's or other headaches.

Ron

[nekrosoft13]

Okay, that's good. I know folks dislike the command line applications, but the simplicity of distribution is very nice and simple. No dll's or other headaches.

Ron

simply the file on rapidshare is corrupt

[DonCarlos]

Hi.

I tried some different ways of making the Blu rays.

Way 1. Just set the pulldown via Tsmuxer to 24fps with 1080i
Way 2. Set the pulldown with vc1conv and do it again with tsmuxer
Way 3. Both ways with but mux them together with Scenarist.(above muxing with Tsmuxer)
All ways ended in jerky playback.

I thought Glen said something how he got it to work? Could you please explain that.

I got some other things on my mind:

Why is it always working on the PC?

What happens if you use tsmuxer to mux them to m2ts? does this make any differenc?

Where is the mistake? In the muxing? In the files itself or even in the second muxing with TsRemux?

What happens if you don't select des checkboxes in TsRemuxer over des stream selection?

Does it make any difference if you mux with Scenarist or Tsmuxer?

Slowly I am doing to test all this things.

By the way I don't think the problem lies in vc1conv. I would guess it would cause other problems if you did not use vc1conv.

Are there any other news? I thought glen said he got it to work but the guide isn't updated?! Hope that the problems are solved soon.

[glen8]

Hi Don,

for VC-1 do this:-

evodemux -> strip streams

run video through vc1conv

run audio through eac3to to ac3 (or .wavs and encode to dts with surcode)

MUI Generator to create .ves files

Import .ves into scenarist

Click on audio in the data section and change framerate to 23.976

Create playlist and create chapters if required

Save project

Close down scenarist, open project.xml in notepad and change copypermission at the bottom to 0. Save and then open back up in scenarist

Load up MUXServer

From scenarist mux the project, don't have to create disc image

Burn the folders in nero like normal :-)

If you want to make the disc look professional, take the META folder from a new sony blu-ray (spider-man 3 for example) and copy it into your folder. Edit the .xml and change the title. Create new .jpg images keeping the same image dimensions

Good luck :-)

[DonCarlos]

Thanks Glen

I am going to try this when I get home on Sunday. Just some more questions. With this method your Blu ray plays perfect?The only new thing you do is that you put the framrate of the audio also to 23.976. Then you mux it with scenarist. I am still hoping our problem does not lie in Tsmuxer, because that would make the guide not that useful becuase not everybody has scenarist. I am goning to do more testing here.
By the way did you get scenarist to work under Vista? If yes how? I always have to load up an XP Pro system to use it and I don't like that too much.

[glen8]

I had a problem on Vista 64bit but on 32bit it works fine.........well, it has an error right at the end creating shortcuts but I just open up the .exes and it's fine

[glen8]

I have only watched the first 30mins but everything seems ok so far

[zeroprobe]

Thanks Glen

I am going to try this when I get home on Sunday. Just some more questions. With this method your Blu ray plays perfect?The only new thing you do is that you put the framrate of the audio also to 23.976. Then you mux it with scenarist. I am still hoping our problem does not lie in Tsmuxer, because that would make the guide not that useful becuase not everybody has scenarist. I am goning to do more testing here.
By the way did you get scenarist to work under Vista? If yes how? I always have to load up an XP Pro system to use it and I don't like that too much.

VMware Virtual machine is great for this. It's great running a virtual windows xp for programs vista can't run properly.

[nekrosoft13]

wait, so even if it works on PC, it might not work on stand-alone player? why is that?

[glen8]

wait, so even if it works on PC, it might not work on stand-alone player? why is that?

Yes, PCs never had a problem with the conversions. It was only when we tried the set top players we noticed the slowdown.

[nekrosoft13]

Yes, PCs never had a problem with the conversions. It was only when we tried the set top players we noticed the slowdown.

do all players have this problem? or just first gen?

[DonCarlos]

The PS 3 has problems but glen may have found a solution I till check that on sunday if it works.

Is it possible to install something on the VMware Virtual machine?

[nekrosoft13]

Is it possible to install something on the VMware Virtual machine?

yes you can

[drmpeg]

vc1conv has been updated to version 0.3

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Changes for 0.3

1) Removed dependency on POSTPROCFLAG being equal to zero.
2) Removed setting of POSTPROCFLAG and adding POSTPROC bits.
3) Made bitrate display accurate.
4) Put frame count back in, and added running time.

I also fixed the last frame issue, but only if there is an End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream. If there is no End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream, then vc1conv deletes the last frame whether it's complete or not (it can't tell if the last frame is complete without parsing the entire frame).

Ron

[burro08]

Glen.... I have a bit of problem i have renamed my audio stream to .dd+ (as thats what it is, and the movie is Thransformers btw)

But when i do step 3 in dos eac2to gives this error: source file c:\videos\audio.dd" not found.. but the paths are right be cause thats where it is..

Heres the commandline i ran

c:\hdtools\eac3to.exe c:\videos\audio.dd+" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -nero -640

ive tried the gui version but it doesent work either

EDIT

It works if i choose libav -640.... But not if i choose nero or sonic also i have to rename the file to .eac3 and not what is said in ur guide ie dd+

Any Ideas why??
thanks
burro

[musicman2311]

vc1conv has been updated to version 0.3

http://www.w6rz.net/vc1conv.zip

Changes for 0.3

1) Removed dependency on POSTPROCFLAG being equal to zero.
2) Removed setting of POSTPROCFLAG and adding POSTPROC bits.
3) Made bitrate display accurate.
4) Put frame count back in, and added running time.

I also fixed the last frame issue, but only if there is an End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream. If there is no End-of-Sequence code at the end of the stream, then vc1conv deletes the last frame whether it's complete or not (it can't tell if the last frame is complete without parsing the entire frame).

Ron

Frankly Speaking - I do not know what all that means, but

I have remuxed the movie that had a 'stutter' disturbance at about 31 min for around 10 sec ; I ran it through vc1conv 0.3 first.

As far as I can tell, it runs absolutely smoothly now.

Thank you very much !

[musicman2311]

Frankly Speaking - I do not know what all that means, but

I have remuxed the movie that had a 'stutter' disturbance at about 31 min for around 10 sec ; I ran it through vc1conv 0.3 first.

As far as I can tell, it runs absolutely smoothly now.

Thank you very much !

Sorry Sorry Sorry !

Problem is still there, just at 29 min (i.e. 2 min earlier).

If anybody has any suggestion how to avoid this, please help !

Thanks

[burro08]

I have converted the file and renamed the m2ts to mp4 to play on the ps3 but when i do the same again but split the file so i can put it on an external drive it wont work... The ps3 says there are no titles in folder

Any Ideas???

Thanks

[DonCarlos]

Sorry Sorry Sorry !

Problem is still there, just at 29 min (i.e. 2 min earlier).

If anybody has any suggestion how to avoid this, please help !

Thanks

Did you test what glen said about muxing together with scenarist and so on? I will try I today. Lets seeif that works.

[glen8]

Glen.... I have a bit of problem i have renamed my audio stream to .dd+ (as thats what it is, and the movie is Thransformers btw)

But when i do step 3 in dos eac2to gives this error: source file c:\videos\audio.dd" not found.. but the paths are right be cause thats where it is..

Heres the commandline i ran

c:\hdtools\eac3to.exe c:\videos\audio.dd+" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -nero -640

ive tried the gui version but it doesent work either

EDIT

It works if i choose libav -640.... But not if i choose nero or sonic also i have to rename the file to .eac3 and not what is said in ur guide ie dd+

Any Ideas why??
thanks
burro

Sorry I thought I had updated the guide. You need to rename it to .ddp rather than .dd+

[musicman2311]

to whom it may concern - I am embarrassed but happy to report that my recently reported issues stem from a scratched disc. I exchanged the disc (BD-RE) and the very same movie play absolutely fine on PS3.

Thanks again to the authors of h264info and vc1conv.

[burro08]

Sorry I thought I had updated the guide. You need to rename it to .ddp rather than .dd+

Thanks glen also any ideas on splitting the file (in my above post)

[DonCarlos]

to whom it may concern - I am embarrassed but happy to report that my recently reported issues stem from a scratched disc. I exchanged the disc (BD-RE) and the very same movie play absolutely fine on PS3.

Thanks again to the authors of h264info and vc1conv.

It is good to hear that it works fine for you now. How did you mux? With Scenarist or Tsmuxer?
At the moment I am testing the way glen told us.

[eyekyu]

if someone can point me into the right direction that would be great.

when i go to play the bd-rw in my ps3 im gettin audio but no video. my source is an mkv file

[burro08]

glen i did as u said and changed the file name to .ddp.. but still no luck when i choose nero. i am using nero 7 ultra edition.. do i need an extra plug in or somehing??

[B4tm4n]

glen i did as u said and changed the file name to .ddp.. but still no luck when i choose nero. i am using nero 7 ultra edition.. do i need an extra plug in or somehing??


You need Nero HD-DVD / Blu-Ray plugin aswell as nero 7.

[glen8]

If you haven't got the Nero HD-DVD / Blu-Ray Plugin and can't afford it change the -nero to -libav