HD-DVD to Blu-Ray. GUIDE UPDATED!!

[glen8]

@glen8
So is dts playable from the XMB (on internal or external HDD) on the PS3 or just ac3?

just ac3, but you want to be using ac3 anyway

[jacked]

glen8,
Thanks very much for all your hard efforts on this guide.
I tried your original guide on Zodiac and it worked perfectly. If I can just ask a couple of questions please.
I burn to BD-RE to test what I`ve done and anything run through TS-Remux to create Bluray final structure and folders,
plays perfectly and chapter skips as normal but fast forward and rewind don`t work at all, the image just pauses. This happens on both versions 018 + 019.
Does this happen with you, does that sound right ?
Your updated guide says to change the fps to 24000/1001 in tsmuxer, have you found any benefit in doing this ?
I`d be interested to hear how you get on with vc-1 titles.
If it`s any help to you, I`ve used Elecard Converter Studio AVC HD edition. When I use Evodemux I changed the video file extension to .avc and the demuxed video loads easily into Elecard without the need of graphs, the Elecard interface has similar settings to Procoder to produce an mpeg2 file that you can mux in your audio. If you come across an easier way that would be great.
Cheers glen8
You Are The Man !
:)

[glen8]

Fast foward and rewind work fine for all three of the disks I've done now.

I changed the guide slightly. I found out that if you don't set the framerate to 240000/1001 in tsremuxer the time is all wrong after it's been muxed. This gets fixed in tsremux but since it doesn't take any more time up I figured I'd play it safe and add it into the guide.

Not sure why you can't FF and RW? what movies have you tried

[jacked]

Fast foward and rewind work fine for all three of the disks I've done now.

I changed the guide slightly. I found out that if you don't set the framerate to 240000/1001 in tsremuxer the time is all wrong after it's been muxed. This gets fixed in tsremux but since it doesn't take any more time up I figured I'd play it safe and add it into the guide.

Not sure why you can't FF and RW? what movies have you tried

Thanks for your reply,
I have tried Zodiac, Patriot Games and Mission Impossible.

[tyee]

@glen8
I did another test trying to get rid of Sonic for the audio and read another thread that said to use the same command line as you suggest for TrueHD but use it for DD+, and it worked just fine --


eac3to "c:\videos\audio.ddp" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -libav -448

The output of this command gave me an identical filesize as Sonic 4.2! There is no noise or anything in the soundtrack as far as I can tell. Sonic 4.2 seems to work for me so far after doing KK and TFMRS. Maybe Sonic 4.3 is the version with the problems??

[glen8]

I did wonder about libav as heard good things about it's AC3 performance.

Nero is considered the best anyway so I'll continue to use that, but a good tip for those not wanting to un-install and re-install between nero 7 and nero 8 all the time. I have made an entry under the notes section

any reason your using 448 and not 640?

[jacked]

Thanks for your reply,
I have tried Zodiac, Patriot Games and Mission Impossible.

Hi Glen,
I`ve tried these discs on my PS3 and all fast-forward and rewind functions work perfectly, it`s just the Pioneer standalone that doesn`t, very odd.
Cheers, Dave

[chewdogg10]

Has anyone successfully converted American Gangster from HD-DVD to Blu Ray?

[Creator1]

I just want to confirm that this guide seems to be the only way to make a perfect translation. Using Scenarist either doesn't work or corrupts the playback.

One more thing, I have no audio sync problem using DTS 5.1 1536 tracks instead of DD 640 so I will keep using DTS for sound. For those who can't mux DTS with tsMuxeR because of "cant detect stream" try using latest version of eac3to and version 1.0.23 of surcode dvd dts.

[jacked]

Hello All
Has anyone come up with the definitive / easiest way to convert vc1 titles yet ?
I did a successful but very long-winded job with Mission Impossible 3 but I`ve had a lot of pc problems recently and now none of my graphs work. So until I swap-out some components and upgrade and re-load XP I`m a bit stumped.
It looks like DonCarlos has a process sorted, how did you do it ? Hi Glen8, have you made any progress on this yet ?
Thanks a lot guys.
:)

[Creator1]

Hello All
Has anyone come up with the definitive / easiest way to convert vc1 titles yet ?
I did a successful but very long-winded job with Mission Impossible 3 but I`ve had a lot of pc problems recently and now none of my graphs work. So until I swap-out some components and upgrade and re-load XP I`m a bit stumped.
It looks like DonCarlos has a process sorted, how did you do it ? Hi Glen8, have you made any progress on this yet ?
Thanks a lot guys.
:)

VC-1 HD-DVD titles canbe converted to blu-ray with no special steps. The VC-1 streams from HD-DVD are already blu-ray compliant. Direct importation into programs like scenarist BDA works.

I don't know if it would be preferable to convert the 29.97fps VC-1 streams to 23.976fps before creating a blu-ray? Maybe the blu-ray players simply ignore the pulldown information on VC-1 streams and can playback the streams at 24fps with no problem even if they are encoded in 29.97fps? THe only reason to try to be safe on this is for future support of 24p output to a 24p capable tv or projector. For 60hz tvs I don't think there is any problems by leaving the VC-1 file as-is when converting it to a blu-ray structure. Like I already said, it is also possible that the 24p playback will still work flawlessly IF the blu-ray players can ignore the pulldown info in VC-1 files.

For MPEG4AVC files, it seems the blu-ray players want 23.976fps for correct playback.

Am I right with my assumptions?

In other words, just user tsMuxeR to mux the vc-1 HD-DVD stream directly with the ac3/dts streams created by eac3to together and then use tsremux to create the blu-ray structure and it should work correctly in a blu-ray player.

[ImsPro]

I've had a heck of a time getting VC1 HD-DVD's to work till tonight. I've tried just taking the VC1 file directly from EVOmux into tsmuxer which definitely reads the file but after taking the *.ts output from tsmuxer into tsremux,the resulting BD that I burn either has out of sync audio with a choppy video (keeping the fps at 29.97) or sync'd audio with choppy playback (changing fps to 23.976). This is only when I try to playback in the PS3. Every resulting output I've made has played on the PC perfectly...regardless of fps.. following this guide with no additional steps..

The only way I've been able to get a working VC-1 HD-DVD to play back correctly on the PS3 (using my Bourne Identity as a testcase) was to substitute step #2 of this guide with:

2. Take your video.mpv output from EVOdemux and run it through ffmpeg to convert it to mpeg2 via this command (without quotes of course):

"ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.mpv -sameq -vcodec mpeg2video output.ts"

Use this output as an input into tsmuxer (step #3) and continue through the rest of the procedure.

I'm trying another VC1 movie to confirm but this is the first HD-DVD to BD conversion I've got to work on the PS3 and like glen8, I've been farting around with this WAY too long..

One nice thing I noticed is if you take the VC-1 output from EVOdemux directly into tsmuxer it ID's the file as 1080i. The output I made from the ffmpeg step is read in at 1080p. I can't confirm since my PS3 is hooked up to a old DLP (720p) but hopefully it actually keeps the end results at 1080p.

[glen8]

just a quick heads up guys

I've managed to get star wars ep3 full 1080p (1080p avc from single german transmission) on a blu-ray with proper english audio and text crawl

will post pics later/tomorrow

what a mission!!!

[theblind]

Hi !

Have fun with 25p :)


Cu.

[Creator1]

just a quick heads up guys

I've managed to get star wars ep3 full 1080p (1080p avc from single german transmission) on a blu-ray with proper english audio and text crawl

will post pics later/tomorrow

what a mission!!!

Was it a PAL 25fps stream? It is funny because I am currently trying to do the same thing on a PAL broadcast I have but it is 1080i avc though. I tried lots of stuff but it seems I will need to re-encode it for it to work.

If I leave it in PAL, the movie plays back in low-res on the PS3 (480p).

I tried to remove pulldown but then the playback is choppy. I still need to confirm that because I did so much tests on that one that I don't remember if it was really the case but I don't think removing the pulldown made a smooth playback blu-ray structure using tsMuxer/tsremux.

I then re-encoded to AVC 23.976fps 1080p and now it's fine but the PAL audio is out of sync. I suppose I need to go and find the NTSC audio for it to match now.

[theblind]

Hi !

Whats about VC-1 and the 1080i & 30p problem ? Der Link! (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1097164&postcount=215)

Cu.

[Creator1]

Hi !

Whats about VC-1 and the 1080i & 30p problem ? Der Link! (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1097164&postcount=215)

Cu.

It is easy to do the HD-DVD to blu-ray on VC-1 using Scenarist. Scenarist must be doing something to the VC-1 stream when it creates the blu-ray structure that tsremux is not doing.

I think the other solution might be what you suggested, that is, to make the stream 24p/1080p. A tool to remove pulldown on VC-1 streams is needed for that and I don't think that exists for now?

[glen8]

well very quickly:

demuxed streams with xmuxer pro

ran both streams through tsmuxer to set level 4.1 and framerate to 24000/1001

used tsremux to cut text crawl from the start (25fps) to a seperate file and the rest to a different file (23.976fps)

converted the text crawl only part to 1080p 23.976fps (changed res from 1920x1088i) using elecard converter pro (took about 10mins 20,000 bitrate)

then used copy *.ts /b to merge both files back together

imported that back into tsremux to create blu-ray structure

The result is a perfectly synced film at 1080p without re-encoding the main movie :cool:

[theblind]

Hi !

It is easy to do the HD-DVD to blu-ray on VC-1 using Scenarist. Scenarist must be doing something to the VC-1 stream when it creates the blu-ray structure that tsremux is not doing.

I think the other solution might be what you suggested, that is, to make the stream 24p/1080p. A tool to remove pulldown on VC-1 streams is needed for that and I don't think that exists for now?

hmmm.... scenarist... ? Too expensive :p


Cu.


Cu.

[Creator1]

well very quickly:

demuxed streams with xmuxer pro

ran both streams through tsmuxer to set level 4.1 and framerate to 24000/1001

used tsremux to cut text crawl from the start (25fps) to a seperate file and the rest to a different file (23.976fps)

converted the text crawl only part to 1080p 23.976fps (changed res from 1920x1088i) using elecard converter pro (took about 10mins 20,000 bitrate)

then used copy *.ts /b to merge both files back together

imported that back into tsremux to create blu-ray structure

The result is a perfectly synced film at 1080p without re-encoding the main movie :cool:

I don't understand what you mean by text crawl? DO you mean the yellow scrolling text at the beginning of the star wars ep3 movie? Was that part 25fps and the rest 29.97? Why did you have to treat those two parts of the movie differently?

In my case it is a 1080i 25fps movie. I may try to pass it through tsmuxer instead of h264info for the 24000/1001 tagging and see what happens.

[glen8]

There's 3 different versions

1 - English 25fps 1080i
2 - German 23fps 1080p
3 - Mix of the two above

I went with the third one as it's in english, basically the yellow text at the start is from the skyHD feed which runs at a different framerate to the main movie.

I had to deal with the two parts seperately to get the sync working

[Creator1]

There's 3 different versions

1 - English 25fps 1080i
2 - German 23fps 1080p
3 - Mix of the two above

I went with the third one as it's in english, basically the yellow text at the start is from the skyHD feed which runs at a different framerate to the main movie.

I had to deal with the two parts seperately to get the sync working

Yeah, after thinking about it I thought that was the case. Good job. ;)

From what I can see though, you were nto able to make the 25fps part work without re-encoding. I hope someone can figure out how to do that.

[mixja]

Just like to say thanks for posting up this information, although I wasn't looking to make Blu-ray discs from HD-DVD I was looking to create playable files on the PS3 from HD-DVD without re-encoding the video (I can live with re-encoded Dolby Digital audio).

I've found that in the last step (TSRemux) you can output the file to M2TS format and you can then stream the M2TS file to your PS3 via a UPnP server (I'm using Windows Media Player 11).

The great thing is that the streaming works for files > 4GB, hence your average 15-20GB HD-DVD M2TS movie file streams perfectly via UPnP to the PS3. The 4GB file limit (even when on a UPnP server) for MPEG-4 files always annoyed me in the past, especially when most 40 minute shows in 1080i HDTV format are > 4GB.

This only works for AVC movies (I don't think the PS3 will support VC-1 in M2TS, but still working on getting it going via WMV format). It also works for AVC HDTV videos that typically are in a TS container - to get them to work in the M2TS container I have to extract the AVC stream from original TS, use h264info to remove pulldown flag (and write PPS) and then continue same steps as posted in this thread.

[glen8]

Yeah, after thinking about it I thought that was the case. Good job. ;)

From what I can see though, you were nto able to make the 25fps part work without re-encoding. I hope someone can figure out how to do that.

You can and I did, but the reason I encoded was to prevent my plasma from auto switching from 1080i to 1080p after the crawl

If you don't want to re-encode anything you can just split the two parts up but rather than encode the first just run it through tsremuxer changing the framerate

You must split the two tho and then do a copy /b when finished or you'll get sync probs

http://www.glenharrison.com/misc/sw3blu.jpg

[tyee]

@glen8
How do you like that 50" Plasma. I nearly got one at Christmas but didn't. Does the model of yours end with "77", that one has the matt screen which I hear is good?

Funny thing I noticed about the Pana Plasmas was the picture was so dull when the "picture" control was set to "0" that it was unwatchable. It had to be set at about 25, and 30 was max if I remember correctly, which may wear it out sooner than later maybe?? What do you think?

[Fabry73]

Hello I have the fast and the furious tokyo drift hd dvd pal, I 2 VC-1, you know how can transform
In blu ray?

[musicman2311]

glen.
any success with HD DVD VC1 to 1080p yet ?
thanks

[XolocoTuxmaster]

To VC-1 1080i@29.97 fps->1080p@23.976

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129222

By the way people, TSremux' blu-ray output is very beta, it just let you 1 video and 1 audio, it's not standard in newer versions since it uses a moviobject.bdmv and index.bdmv specially created for PS3 compilance, so it doesn't play in stand alone players and Tsmuxer doesn't let you include subtitles yet.

Better use Scenarist, it outputs a 100% standard multiaudiotrack subtitles supporting blu-ray, I have summarized the process in 19 steps. Quote them in the first post if you want

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134402

[glen8]

@glen8
How do you like that 50" Plasma. I nearly got one at Christmas but didn't. Does the model of yours end with "77", that one has the matt screen which I hear is good?

Funny thing I noticed about the Pana Plasmas was the picture was so dull when the "picture" control was set to "0" that it was unwatchable. It had to be set at about 25, and 30 was max if I remember correctly, which may wear it out sooner than later maybe?? What do you think?

No, this is a UK model so completely different I think. My settings are at 50% which I think is plenty bright enough.

[Creator1]

You can and I did, but the reason I encoded was to prevent my plasma from auto switching from 1080i to 1080p after the crawl

If you don't want to re-encode anything you can just split the two parts up but rather than encode the first just run it through tsremuxer changing the framerate

You must split the two tho and then do a copy /b when finished or you'll get sync probs

I tried to use tsMuxeR to change the framerate and level of my 1080i 25fps movie file (it is not star wars by the way) but it did not work. The playback was choppy. It did play at full resolution though instead of low res like when I left it at 25fps but the playback was not smooth.

[DonCarlos]

Sorry for going off topic. But where the hell did you got Star Wars in HD?I can't find it some where, and I really like the movies so I would love to get my hands on them. By the way I thought Lucasfilm belongs to Fox and Fox is Bluray only if didn't understand it wrong?

[musicman2311]

[QUOTE=XolocoTuxmaster;1098914]To VC-1 1080i@29.97 fps->1080p@23.976

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129222

QUOTE]

Xoloco - I know that thread - to date it is not possible to make a 1080p vc1 from 1080i of hd dvd - doesn't play smooth - also not with vc1conv

that is at least my understanding

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Have you tried dburckh's method?

[glen8]

Star Wars Ep3 was only ever released in 1080p once on the PremierHD channel in Germany

[musicman2311]

Have you tried dburckh's method?

no, i have not - as I understand it, he has some way of changing specific bits - how can I get that done - is there a tool ? vc1conv doesn't do all that I think.

[XolocoTuxmaster]

Use an hexadecimal editor

[musicman2311]

Use an hexadecimal editor

a hex editor for a 15 GigaByte file ?

maybe I am not referring to what you refer to - what I saw was a ddescription about which flags to change in the bitstream, provide you know where they are located (which I don't)

is there a more comprehensive guide - or where am I wrong now ?

thanks for any help

[glen8]

I'm working on VC-1 today

I have an idea how to do it but not sure it will work yet...fingers crossed

[theblind]

all fingers crossed :)

[zeroprobe]

In a typical VC1 file have a look for the following and replace all hits.

0000010FDBFE3BF21B[CA] INTERLACE FLAG 1 -> 0
0000010FDBFE3BF21B[8A]

Near enough straight after the above.

3BF886F180[C9] FRAMES PER SECOND 29 -> 23.97
3BF886F180[49]


But thats just half the story, the mind boggles when it comes down to the other things that need changing.

[MrMugatu]

Is there anyway I can mux hd dvd truehd audio with its video after ive converted it to 23.976 without losing quality

[glen8]

tried all day yesterday but just got the slow framerate on the ps3 :mad:

[glen8]

I'm thinking about investing in one of those qnap hdd enclosures. Would I be able to author an m2ts file containing one video and one hd audio track so I can stream to the ps3?

would the avc and vc1 streams from blu-rays be ok?

would the hd-dvd avc h264 stream converted with my guide be ok?

would the hd-dvd vc1 stream converted using the above mentioned ffmpeg cmd line be ok?

Thanks!! :)

[DonCarlos]

Hi- Can somebody please explain how to use this ffmpeg commandline in details?Because I don't know how to use command lines. Lets say my ffmpeg is stored under C:\ffmpeg.exe and the file I want to convert is under C:\video.mkv and I want the ouptput file to to C:\output.mkv. Could sombody transfers the commandline from above to these cirsumstances for me?

Thank you

[glen8]

click start, go to the run box and type in cmd then press enter

in the ms-dos window type in following pressing return after each line

c:
cd\
ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.mpv -sameq -vcodec mpeg2video output.ts

[XolocoTuxmaster]

click start, go to the run box and type in cmd then press enter

in the ms-dos window type in following pressing return after each line

c:
cd\
ffmpeg -f vc1 -r 24000/1001 -i video.mpv -sameq -vcodec mpeg2video output.ts


DON'T DO THAT!!!

You are recoding to MPEG-2 (maybe you think you setting to use Mpeg-2 transport stream container) and you are forcing either output AND INPUT framerate to 24/1001, better try

ffmpeg -i video.mpv -vcodec copy -r 24000/1001 output.mpv

[glen8]

sorry, I was explaining how to run the command not the actual command itself

I just grabbed the line from page3 as an example

[DonCarlos]

If I use this command does it reencode the movie?

[XolocoTuxmaster]

If I use this command does it reencode the movie?

this?

ffmpeg -i video.mpv -vcodec copy -r 24000/1001 output.mpv

no

[DonCarlos]

OK thank you I give it a try