BeLight 0.22 RC1 has been released

[ParkerLewis]

actually, i did two cuts to get that file.

There was the "original" avi file.

i took the first minute of this file (direct stream copy as an avi in vdubmod).
then, realizing the audio file would still be too big for the forums, i took only the first 12 or so seconds of this one minute file (here again with direct stream copy as an avi).

the i opened this 12 sec file in vdubmod, and demuxed the ac3.

[Kurtnoise]

@ParkerLewis: why not loading directly the avi file instead of demux the audio stream ?

In the last release, BeLight is able to transcode the first audio stream directly from the AVI container. (be sure to have VOBInput.dll though...)

[tebasuna51]

If always is the beginning, "the first minute" ... "the first 12 or so seconds", maybe the problem is already in the "original" avi file.

But seems mediainfo don't report the ac3 problem inside avi and BeLight accept the avi and not the extracted ac3.

[Zodraz]

I have a few questions related to mentioned VOBInput.dll. Is there a programmatic possibility with that dll to choose an audio stream? When BeLight will get a support for VOB files, would it be a way to choose a specific PGC inside of VOBs?

How about splited AVI files? BeLight doesn't support LST files with AVI files inside of them, in contrast with BeSweet.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Kurt,

When generating 5.1 (6Ch) AAC-LC or HE audio streams, I've noticed RC1 is not blanking out the "Channel Mode" (like it does with say, BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02): -

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4361/rc1oe8.png..

Also, the AAC-LC option is generating encodes at 24.00KHz instead of 48.00KHz and the encoded bit-rate is slightly off target: -

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.4 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 08/28/07 , 16:47:24.

C:\Program Files\BeLight 0.22 RC1\BeSweet.exe
-core(
-input C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
-output C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
-logfile C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .log )
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 192 -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: None
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:50:144] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:12:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 08/28/07 , 16:47:36.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1287/aaclcgw7.png


Cheers

[tebasuna51]

Also, the AAC-LC option is generating encodes at 24.00KHz instead of 48.00KHz and the encoded bit-rate is slightly off target

These are encoder issues, not BeLight problems.

BTW, don't trust in MediaInfo, really are 48 KHz., try decode the aac sample with faad and you obtain a 48 KHz wav.

[SeeMoreDigital]

These are encoder issues, not BeLight problems.

BTW, don't trust in MediaInfo, really are 48 KHz., try decode the aac sample with faad and you obtain a 48 KHz wav.Hmmm... I'm not so sure.

If I generate an encode (from the same source) with BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02) using the same settings, .dll files, etc, I get this: -BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.4 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 08/28/07 , 18:06:38.

C:\Program Files\BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02)\BeSweet.exe -core(
-input C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
-output C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
-logfile C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .log )
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 192 -lc -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: None
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:50:144] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:10:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 08/28/07 , 18:06:48.


http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/144/belightgp1.png

.....which, is just about right (apart from the encodes bit-rate) ;)


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

Is there a programmatic possibility with that dll to choose an audio stream? When BeLight will get a support for VOB files, would it be a way to choose a specific PGC inside of VOBs?
Yes, via the IFO parsing. not related to VOBInput.dll though...this library is just able to detect audio IDs and delays from VOB files (only ac3 & mpa, not dts).

How about splited AVI files? BeLight doesn't support LST files with AVI files inside of them, in contrast with BeSweet.
It's planned...:)

[Kurtnoise]

When generating 5.1 (6Ch) AAC-LC or HE audio streams, I've noticed RC1 is not blanking out the "Channel Mode" (like it does with say, BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02)
ups...:p Should be fixed soon.


Regarding bitrate target and mediainfo : raw aac files are really a piss of sh*t to parse...Use the mp4 container to store aac streams. In the other hand, there are some rounding value for this setting.

[tebasuna51]

Is true, there are a problem in new BeLight version, the -lc parameter is not included (see the command line) and the aac generated is HE (with SBR, because the default for 192 Kb/s 6 channel is SBR) then the LC frequency is 24 KHz and the high frequencies go in SBR part.

For me Foobar2000 is best than MediaInfo to detect the aac parameters, but don't read well the CT aac files, we need mux to mp4 and then see the Properties.

[SeeMoreDigital]

...we need mux to mp4 and then see the Properties.That's a good idea :)

Muxing to .MP4 or better still .M4A (like FAAC and ND do), would be very useful.... Would this be possible Kurt?


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

why not using Yamb for that ?

;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

why not using Yamb for that ?

;)I do already... But there's nothing like convenience.

Plus, when you are using CT's encoder to generate AAC-HE encodes, it would be useful to know that the .M4A encode contain SBR... Just in-case you forgot to manually add the SBR signalling yourself in YAMB.


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

There is no way to know whether or not ADTS AAC files contain SBR flag (except to decode few frames; that's most smart players do)...

Anyway, mediaInfo report the correct settings for m4a files containing SBR streams (LC-SBR or LC-SBR+PS).

[slipk487]

i am having a problem. when i am trying to encode ac3 audio with belight the log says it output the file to my desktop but i have never seen an output file for it anywhere. what could be causing this problem.

[tebasuna51]

There is no way to know whether or not ADTS AAC files contain SBR flag (except to decode few frames; that's most smart players do)...

Anyway, mediaInfo report the correct settings for m4a files containing SBR streams (LC-SBR or LC-SBR+PS).

But in this case MediaInfo inform LC only 24 KHz with the aac and with the mp4 muxed with Yamb. Foobar detect the mp4 like LC SBR and 48 KHz.

[slipk487]

nvm problem solved it weird all i did was download the nero digital audio+ again and replace the one that i had in belight's folder and now it works fine

[Kurtnoise]

But in this case MediaInfo inform LC only 24 KHz with the aac and with the mp4 muxed with Yamb. Foobar detect the mp4 like LC SBR and 48 KHz.
You have to specify the sbr signalling via the Properties when you mux he-aac files into the mp4.

[tebasuna51]

You have to specify the sbr signalling via the Properties when you mux he-aac files into the mp4.

Via Properties?
I have Yamb v1.6.0 and don't see where signal sbr.

I try in Options -> General -> MP4Box -> View or edit the MP4Box Command Line, adding the -sbr switch but seems don't work.

BTW I use BeHappy with enc_aacplus (and MP4Box) and the output is signaled and recognized by MediaInfo like you say.

In any case when don't know 'a priori' if is signaled or not I prefer Foobar2000 to see the properties, always is correct.

[SeeMoreDigital]

In YAMB 1.6, it's here: -

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7186/yamb16sbrwl1.png

You need to click on the "Options" tab. And under "General Options" put a tick in the box next to "Enable Import Settings". Then re-start YAMB.


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

About Properties button : I spoke about the 2.0.0.7 release not the old one...:rolleyes:

[tebasuna51]

@SeeMoreDigital
Thanks, really is the first time I use Yamb. :rolleyes:

@Kurtnoise13
"I spoke about the 2.0.0.7 release not the old one."

In your "my random stuff" the old one 1.6.0 from 2007-08-04 is the last one. You have many work this summer :)

[Kurtnoise]

huh ? You didn't read the other forums ? :p I store the old builds in this folder and the last one has been released the 4th of August. Grab the new one here : http://yamb.unite-video.com

;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Going back to placing AAC audio streams directly within the .M4A container.....

How are NeroDigital (CLI) and FAAC encoders are able to offer this option and not CT's?


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

You mean the public Winamp CT-based encoder ?

Actually, it does but an external library is needed (libmp4v2 like Winamp or libgpac should be fine) but it's not included in the Wa_aac.dll...

[SeeMoreDigital]

...Actually, it does but an external library is needed (libmp4v2 like Winamp or libgpac should be fine) but it's not included in the Wa_aac.dll...Does this mean it would be impossible to add .M4A muxing to BeLight?

[Kurtnoise]

This is doable to include this into Wa_aac.dll (sources are available) but I've no time yet to do that...

[SeeMoreDigital]

This is doable to include this into Wa_aac.dll (sources are available) but I've no time yet to do that...Thanks for the confirmation. Good to know that it is possible :)

[Barough]

Started 2 get into BeSweet/BeLight here a couple of weeks ago and i must say that i really like the BeLight GUI :)

Hope to see a Final/Stable release of BeLight 0.22 soon

//B

[grannyGeek]

Kurtnoise, I've used BeLight for many months, and love it, the gui makes conversions dead simple for newbs like me.

I was hoping that you might consider re-vamping the gui / interface on next release to make it a little more compact.

I have bad old eyes, and must use Large DPI settings with 1024x768 resolution. The gui covers the screen top to bottom, and the button to "Start Processing" always falls off the bottom of the screen, I have to fiddle with Control Panel display settings.

Any chance of this ever happening?

If not, it is a minor thing, and I will put up with a lot to be able to use this excellent tool.
Thank you for your good work!

[Kurtnoise]

Sure I will...

anyway, you can access "Start Processing" via the menu (Options -> Go To -> Start Processing).

[grannyGeek]

Well, use the MENU. Of course.
< Duh! why didn't I think of that? >
See, that's why us newbs need you guys to keep us on track, otherwise we just lose touch with reality.

Anyway, thanks so much for considering the suggestion.
Keep up the good work.

:thanks:

[grannyGeek]

Sorry, here is another dumb noob question.

I'm running XP PRO SP2 on a dual-processor HP machine.

I downloaded the zip of BeLight 0.22RC1 from FreeCodecs.
This is not a complete package as was offered on some earlier releases, it looks to be only the BeLight exe and some help files, am I correct?

So do I just copy the exe into the folder for 0.22beta9 and overwrite the old exe? This is what I tried, but I am getting a program crash when I try to actually transcode an audio file.

Then I tried downloading and installing BeSweet again, and added the BeLight 0.2.2RC1 files to the BeSweet folder, as instructed on FreeCodecs BeLight page. I pointed BeLight to the BeSweet and BeSplit exe files. When BeLight loads, none of the menu buttons have text, and it is just impossible to work without knowing what the radio buttons do. When I click the "Start Process" button, a box pops up with no text, only an exclamation point.

I see by the changelog that there have been a number of changes in dll libraries, so I wonder if there are some version conflicts happening here.

What simple thing am I doing wrong?

[tebasuna51]

@grannyGeek

Use the 'my random stuff' (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/) link from Kurtnoise13 (BeLight author) to download BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe 2.7 MB, this the complete package you need.

Download also the bsn_20070513.zip and update the bsn.dll in the package. Maybe you need also Aften and NeroAacEnc in Belight folder if you want encode to ac3 or aac.

BTW, use http://www.imageshack.us/ or equivalent to host your images because your 'belightStrangeness.JPG' is not accesible, is still 'Attachement Pendig Approval'

[grannyGeek]

@ tebasuna51, thank you so much for the links.
I have a working installation now. :cool:
I'll be tearing up my avi tracks now!

(and thank you too, for the advice about imageShack)

[humax]

Is there no more development of BeLight ??

[burfadel]

There's still the bug a lot of people find when there's more than one file in the encoding list, belight just skips right through them.

[delacroixp]

I'm still waiting for Besweet to support 9-channel surround and scripting... so that AutoMKV can do surround sound encoding...

I'm not sure whether holding my breath or going on a hunger-strike would be of any value...
My Visual C++ and Assembler certainly sux... so that wont help...



:):devil::D
Pascal

[Kurtnoise]

I'm still waiting for Besweet to support 9-channel surround and scripting...
how to tweak an app which is closed sources ?

[den78]

v0.22 RC1:
when i try to convert (in my case: mp2 & mp3) to mp3... nothing happens... & when i exit the program & try to do it again i can't input any file (it doesn't show in the program list)... why?

[Bluedan]

There's still the bug a lot of people find when there's more than one file in the encoding list, belight just skips right through them.

Reminder. That's the most annoying thing at all. I ALWAYS use to transform a couple of files whenever I use belight. The manual file-by-file is a hassle.

Please fix it. It's a basic feature...

[delacroixp]

Have you done any 6ch-DTS -> 6ch-MP4 conversions...

I'm using the BeSweet GUI which is really growing on me... but
I've had trouble finding AzidDTS.exe and AziDTS.exe isn't working to fruition...

I keep getting error "CreateFilter: Failed to create filter !" on startup.


:):devil::D
Pascal

[Bluedan]

@delacroixp

No, I haven't yet. But Conversion to 5.1 ogg vorbis didn't work for me either. Didn't try that extensively because I don't have 5.1 hardware. Anyhow, it should have worked the way I used it.

[Kurtnoise]

Reminder. That's the most annoying thing at all. I ALWAYS use to transform a couple of files whenever I use belight. The manual file-by-file is a hassle.

Please fix it. It's a basic feature...
I'll look at this during my Xmas holidays...

[Kurtnoise]

Have you done any 6ch-DTS -> 6ch-MP4 conversions...
you can't...for the simple reason that BeSweet doesn't have a dts decoder.

[Bluedan]

you can't...for the simple reason that BeSweet doesn't have a dts decoder.

RIght. In my case it wasn't DTS 5.1 but AC3 5.1

Kurtnoise13, I really appreciate that you are willing to take care of this during that special time of the year!
Hope, it doesn't take to much time.

I cannot explain why I prefer your app over the megui audio conversion implementation... but I really do! :p

[delacroixp]

Have you done any 6ch-DTS -> 6ch-MP4 conversions...

you can't...for the simple reason that BeSweet doesn't have a dts decoder.
Well that pretty much settles that and it goes a long way in explaining why I couldn't get the job done (besides :stupid:)

However, it is Xmas... and a time for miracles !!!
Perhaps a spot of 5.1 DTS -> MP4 Transcoding could fall into that category.


:):devil::D
Pascal


ps
It seams like sunshine for you in Marseille today (15° C max) but mostly cloudy over the weekend...
Good indoor weather for a spot of software engineering.

[tebasuna51]

However, it is Xmas... and a time for miracles !!!
Perhaps a spot of 5.1 DTS -> MP4 Transcoding could fall into that category.

There are free solutions to transcode 5.1 DTS -> MP4, with Foobar2000 or BeHappy-AviSynth methods, and, using intermediate wav files, you can decode DTS wit Tranzcode and after encode with BeLight.

Maybe if DSPguru make a Xmas present with the BeSweet source code ...

[Kurtnoise]

Maybe if DSPguru make a Xmas present with the BeSweet source code ...
yeah, that could be great. Maybe it's time to launch a petition or something, sponsored by Doom9 himself...:p

what do you think guys ?

[burfadel]

yeah, that could be great. Maybe it's time to launch a petition or something, sponsored by Doom9 himself...:p

what do you think guys ?

Definately! It would be great to get some updates on it, its the only practical solution we have for MEgui/staxrip etc (from what I understand) and the loss of it through future incompatibilities would be very frustrating!