BeLight 0.22 RC1 has been released

[Kurtnoise]

Heya,

Finally after more than one year without updates, I found some time to release a new build. :)

Changelog:
-Add AVI as input files support.
-Add new fresh encoders : AAC (ND & CT-Winamp), AC3 (Aften), FLAC (Flake) and Aud-X (mp3 Surround).
-Add new priority threads.
-Remove Nero Bundle dlls encoder.
-Update Lame & Vorbis librairies.
-Update some Presets.
-Fix a lot of bugs.

http://coreforge.org/projects/belight/

It seems that CoreForge.org has already some troubles, so I've made a mirror here (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/index.php?dir=BeLight/) (included package with all libs and tools).


Note: libvorbis in the package is optimised for SSE2. So, to avoid to multiply packages, you can change libvorbis.dll by ourself by grabbing the right one here (http://homepage3.nifty.com/blacksword/) according to your machines.

Enjoy...

[guada2]

:thanks: Kurtnoise13

[LigH]

It seems that CoreForge.org has already some troubles, so I've made a mirror here (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/index.php?dir=BeLight/).

I fear yours isn't more reliable either:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

And for totally outdated CPUs without any useful SSE intructions (like my AMD Duron 800), I'd recommend to get libvorbis.dll from rarewares.org - as usual. ;)

[Taurus]

I fear yours isn't more reliable either:

Works like a charme here...:thanks:

[tebasuna51]

Thanks Kurtnoise13, but this version is less operative than previous one, now:

Options checked/BeSweet Command Line/applied options (in log file) don't match at all.

BTW, here is a new spanish.ini (http://www.mytempdir.com/1231334) version.

[Kurtnoise]

Options checked/BeSweet Command Line/applied options (in log file) don't match at all.
You mean that when you close the "Command Line" window, changes are not taken into account ?

If yes, try to click on "Run" directly or "Cancel" button then start the process...otherwise I don't understand what you said.

BTW, here is a new spanish.ini (http://www.mytempdir.com/1231334) version.
10x...

[tebasuna51]

a) BeSweet command line. I think the problem is:
After I see one time the BeSweet command line, next changes in GUI are igored, and only editing the line I can obtain differents jobs.
For instance:

1) Open Belight. See the BeSweet command line:
"D:\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "" -output "" -logfile "" )
And I need close Belight because I can do nothing.

2) Open Belight. Open B.ac3 file. Select mp3 output and parameters. 'Start Processing' and obtain a correct B.mp3.
Select aac output and parameters. 'Start Processing' and obtain a correct B.aac.
Now see the BeSweet command line.
Select ogg output and parameters. 'Start Processing' and obtain a correct B.aac forever.

b) Sometimes I obtain errors:
Error occurred...
Check your logfile for more infos.

And the output and log is OK.

c) With ac3 source some defaults are taken always:
LFE to LR Channels checked (not recommended by Dolby).
Dynamic Compression checked (loss quality). If is unchecked when click at 'Advanced Setting' or any output tab returns to checked.

[Spokje]

Can't seem to import FLAC files.. it just doens't show them when i select them.. anyone else got this problem ?

Edit: Ok thanks tebasuna51

[HeadBangeR77]

First of all - thanks very much for the new release! :)

Secondly I've just taken a quick look at the new version, running a few short transcoding jobs, and I must agree with tebasuna51, unfortunately. There's something obviously wrong with the commandline verse GUI-settings, as I once mentioned ...here... (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=956013#post956013)
I'm sorry, I ain't got enough time atm to test more thoroughly.

cheers,
HDBR77

PS. libvorbisaoTuVr1: 1 204 224 bytes (the one I had been using till the new release), libvorbisaoTuVb5: 192 512 bytes, Lancer's latest SSE: 300 032 bytes - is such a large difference in the file size connected with compiling method or have there been any major changes? :confused:

UPDATE: lame_enc.dll from the 15th Jan (3.98 alpha11) delivers larger files, of higher bitrate, than the previously used by me 3.97 final - 1X kbps and more (???). It seems it uses -q 0 by default instead of -q 3 (or -q 2 I always use for music). Could it be the cause for such a difference in the bitrate with the same files and the same settings?
Editing the commandline doesn't help, since the switch disappears after pressing "run" (press run, hold it for a while, the switch vanishes into thin air). The only thing I can do then is to copy the whole commandline to clipboard, manually edit it, and encode in CLI mode. After that I always get a stereo file, instead of joint stereo. What's going on?

[tebasuna51]

Can't seem to import FLAC files.. it just doens't show them when i select them.. anyone else got this problem ?
BeSweet don't support all audio formats, only mpa, mp2, mp3, ogg, ac3 and wav (without WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE header, less than 2 GB for int 16, ...).

Aac (mp4, m4a) is also supported like output but not for input.

[vlada]

Hi,

thank you very much for the new version. I just have 2 comments: On the official page, there is only ZIP version and not the installer. Why?

Also on my computer some texts are cropped:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3731/belightcv3.png

[sillKotscha]

Also on my computer some texts are cropped

either change your font size or think about changing your font completely ...

[vlada]

either change your font size or think about changing your font completely ...

I think this is not a good solution. I chose the size and fonts which suit my needs and preferences. I don't want to change them. All other programs look O.K., so I think the problem isn't at my side :-)

But it is just a cosmetic issue. There's no need to fix it if it would be difficult.

[Kurtnoise]

Secondly I've just taken a quick look at the new version, running a few short transcoding jobs, and I must agree with tebasuna51, unfortunately. There's something obviously wrong with the commandline verse GUI-settings, as I once mentioned
Yes confirmed. Sorry...I'll see what can I do but not before this weekend.

PS. libvorbisaoTuVr1: 1 204 224 bytes (the one I had been using till the new release), libvorbisaoTuVb5: 192 512 bytes, Lancer's latest SSE: 300 032 bytes - is such a large difference in the file size connected with compiling method or have there been any major changes? :confused:
Why did you care about filesize ? Yes, compilers are mainly part of this.

UPDATE: lame_enc.dll from the 15th Jan (3.98 alpha11) delivers larger files, of higher bitrate, than the previously used by me 3.97 final - 1X kbps and more (???). It seems it uses -q 0 by default instead of -q 3 (or -q 2 I always use for music). Could it be the cause for such a difference in the bitrate with the same files and the same settings?
Editing the commandline doesn't help, since the switch disappears after pressing "run" (press run, hold it for a while, the switch vanishes into thin air). The only thing I can do then is to copy the whole commandline to clipboard, manually edit it, and encode in CLI mode. After that I always get a stereo file, instead of joint stereo. What's going on?
No problem with higher bitrates here but I should stay with 3.97 version. Yes, it's because I've made some tests with the last alpha and I forgot to switch back.

[Kurtnoise]

But it is just a cosmetic issue. There's no need to fix it if it would be difficult.
The culprid is probably your windows theme...I can't do something on my side for this.

edit: installer is hosted on my own webpage coz I can't upload anymore some extras packages on CoreForge. I'll retry later to do this. BetaBoy told me that all seems to be fixed now.

[HeadBangeR77]

Yes confirmed. Sorry...I'll see what can I do but not before this weekend.
Thanks very much anyway. I can live with those issues till the next release /update. ;)

Why did you care about filesize ? Yes, compilers are mainly part of this.
Just my noobish curiosity - seeing 3 versions, not so distant in terms of development's stage, of the same library with such a difference in the size made me wonder. That's all. ;)

No problem with higher bitrates here but I should stay with 3.97 version. Yes, it's because I've made some tests with the last alpha and I forgot to switch back.
If you can't reproduce it, it is most probably on my side then (could be -q 0 ?) - gotta check it with EAC and my audio CDs soon.

cheers,
HDBR77

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Kurt,

Very nice version. They just keep getting better :)

One thing.... I'm unable to work out how to generate FLAC encodes. I can't find the options!

Am I dumb or what?

[HeadBangeR77]

@ SMD:
There used to be a separate tab "Lossless" (e.g. in 0.2.2 beta9 20061002 which I'm still using atm), but I can't see it in the latest RC-1 build. There is always a possibility we're both dumb. :D ;)

@ Kurtnoise13:
The uninstaller just uninstalls the uninstaller itself (+ desktop icon) and nothing more. Both the group in Program Files and the application's folder are intact. Checked 3 times on my PC (WinXP Pro SP2) and notebook (WinXP Home SP2), so I think it must be some kind of bug.

cheers,
HDBR77

[SeeMoreDigital]

@ SMD:
There used to be a separate tab "Lossless" (e.g. in 0.2.2 beta9 20061002 which I'm still using atm).... Really.... Where? I can't find this option?

Can you take a "screen grab" please?


Cheers

[HeadBangeR77]

Really.... Where? I can't find this option?
Can you take a "screen grab" please?

Cheers
I've already done, just wait a sec, uploading at 8KB/s. :D
Gonna update this post with a link soon.

Here it is:
http://xasonline.info/headbanger/BeLight-4SMD.png

Btw. I've got some old FLAC 1.1.2a installed, if it matters (just marked there's a new 1.1.4 version).

You can call me an idiot - it was Flake. :stupid:
My face is as red as the letters above, sorry.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Here it is:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4135/belight4smdadq4.pngThanks for the confirmation.

I too have version 0.2.2.0 Beta 9 @ 2006-10-02 installed.... But I don't have access to that tab.... Very odd.

I feel rather embarrassed too. I asked Kurt for FLAC support a couple of times. He implemented it... And I missed it :o


Sorry mate....

[sillKotscha]

But I don't have access to that tab.... Very odd.

what about: options -> view -> tabs ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

what about: options -> view -> tabs ;)Oh Jeez...

Now I feel like a complete "dumb-ass"... It's all there... and it works too!

Thanks sillKotscha.... and thank-you Kurt.

No, where is that rock a can crawl under?

[Taurus]

This is what I get when adding files via: File/Add Directory

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2662/delightwo8.png (http://imageshack.us)

The files show up in the queue, "start processing" gets me this error.:confused:
Manually putting files in the queue work.:)

[Kurtnoise]

"Add Directory" feature is not debugged yet but thanks to remind me the trick...Should be ok in the next release.

[Taurus]

"Add Directory" feature is not debugged yet but thanks to remind me the trick...Should be ok in the next release.
It's always a pleasure...and many thanks for continuing developing this nice GUI.

Cheers

Taurus

[SeeMoreDigital]

Okay another dumb question/observation....

Using 2Ch WAV sources as my input. I am trying to generate Lame MP3 streams at 128Kbps in "stereo" mode. However, they seem to come out in "joint stereo" mode!

Here's the log: -BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using lame_enc.dll v1.32 (14/1/2007), Engine 3.98 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 03/04/07 , 15:04:50.

C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input T:\2Ch WAV Source.wav -output T:\2Ch WAV Source.mp3 -logfile T:\2Ch WAV Source.log ) -lame( -b 128 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : T:\2Ch WAV Source.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: T:\2Ch WAV Source.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 bitrate : 128
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:03:02:998] Conversion Completed !
[00:03:02:998] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 128kbps
[00:00:13:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 03/04/07 , 15:05:03.

How can I configure BeLight to output MP3 at 128Kbps in "stereo"?

[Kurtnoise]

JS is stereo...What's the problem ?

This is what I get when adding files via: File/Add Directory

The files show up in the queue, "start processing" gets me this error.:confused:

Fixed...

[SeeMoreDigital]

JS is stereo...What's the problem ?If possible I would like to test the difference between "Joint Stereo" and "Stereo".... Is this possible with Lame?

[Taurus]

Fixed...

Thank you.

[Kurtnoise]

If possible I would like to test the difference between "Joint Stereo" and "Stereo".... Is this possible with Lame?
Yes of course....http://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/lame/lame/doc/html/switchs.html#m

Add -m s manually. :D

[HeadBangeR77]

Any news on the line between GUI and GUI's CLI? ;)

@ SMD:
LAME automatically chooses joint stereo for the most of possible modes (it saves significant bitrate). AFAIR it picks up stereo only for very high bitrate CBR encoding /transcoding. Joint stereo used by LAME is safe - there is sth' on the topic in the enclosed documentation.

[Kurtnoise]

Any news on the line between GUI and GUI's CLI? ;)
I'm working on it (only the weekend though).

[PV]

Hi

I am a real newbie at this and would appreciate your help & patience.

I am trying to rip some audio from my dvds. I have installed BeSweet, Belight 0.21 and VOBinput.dll in one folder. Once I open Belight & press "start" to convert VOB to MP3, a DOS windown opens & shuts. Thats all that happens. I tried reading the old thread but couldnt understand a lot of it. So could someone please tell me what I am doing wrong & how to correct it.

Appreciate the help.

Thx
PV

[LigH]

Welcome to the doom9 board.

In general, always a useful hint: :logfile:

BeLight is a GUI which does not convert on its own, but instead calls the BeSweet.exe - which is a CLI (command line interface) application, and runs in a DOS window.

If the window closes immediately, the generated command line must be quite wrong, so BeSweet fails executing the commands. But it should create a log file (BeSweet.log) and report why it failed.

You should open this file in a text editor, and paste its content into a "CODE" tag in your reply. http://forum.doom9.org/images/editor/code.gif

A usual mistake is: BeSweet was not at all installed - or there is only the Beta package (1.5b31), which is incomplete without a previously existing and therewith updated stable version (1.4).

[PV]

If the window closes immediately, the generated command line must be quite wrong, so BeSweet fails executing the commands. But it should create a log file (BeSweet.log) and report why it failed.

You should open this file in a text editor, and paste its content into a "CODE" tag in your reply. http://forum.doom9.org/images/editor/code.gif



LigH

Where do I find the BeSweet.log & how do I do a "code" tag?

Thanks for the help

PV

[LigH]

1) If you don't see it with your eyes, let the PC search the file -- which is named like the input file (and located in the same folder), just with the extension ".log".

Make sure that BeLight will create a log file:

http://www.ligh.de/pics/BeLight_Main.png http://www.ligh.de/pics/BeLight_Adv.png
__

2) Well - this is "basic bulletin board usage"! Two possible options:

2a) Type it in your quick-reply text box: paste here

2b) Click the little button I already showed you in my previous answer:

http://forum.doom9.org/images/buttons/reply.gif

http://www.ligh.de/pics/vBulletin_Code.png

[miztadux]

Thanks Kurtnoise, Great Work !!

PS: i don't know if it's intentional, but Chinese.ini and Czech.ini are not in the installer package....You also have a "Thumbs.db" left "Partial_doc" in the zip package. (i know...i should take a vacation)

[Taurus]

I am a real newbie at this and would appreciate your help & patience.
@PV
1.:This Thread is about Belight 0.22 RC1
You wrote you are using Belight 0.21 Stable.
You need a mp3 codec (Lame 3.9*) and other codecs in Belight folder.
Belight/Besweet does not rip the vobs from your media: DVD/CD.
You have to copy the vobs to your harddrive first.
Or use a DVDRipper in case the Vobs are encrypted.
Just tested with Belight 0.21 and Lame.exe and it works :)

[LigH]

Well ... BeSweet could read audio from VOBs. If you install the plugin "VOBInput.dll", create a list file containing the filename of all contiguous VOBs, and know the substream number of the audio stream...

Definitely no "newbie" task. Yet possible. ;)
__

@ Taurus:

Thanks for your oversight. I have a habit of debating details regardless of the circumstances...

[PV]

@PV
1.:This Thread is about Belight 0.22 RC1
You wrote you are using Belight 0.21 Stable.
You need a mp3 codec (Lame 3.9*) and other codecs in Belight folder.
Belight/Besweet does not rip the vobs from your media: DVD/CD.
You have to copy the vobs to your harddrive first.
Or use a DVDRipper in case the Vobs are encrypted.
Just tested with Belight 0.21 and Lame.exe and it works :)


Taurus

Thx for the help. I had downloaded lame 3.9 but it didnt work My mistake was that I was trying to directly rip for my dvd. Once I copied the dvd to my hard-disk it worked like a charm

Thanks all

[BiO-HaZaRd]

I'm unable to open an ac3 file in rc1 version, u know why is that?

[Kurtnoise]

Upload a short sample of your ac3 file please...

[BiO-HaZaRd]

How much time??

[Kurtnoise]

~ 1 min...

[Mtz]

I see that BeLight uses a lot of exe and dll files. Can somebody upload for example at www.sendspace.com all BeLight directory including all tools (updated) for all encodes from the gui? For a new user is hard to find all tools just reading the log file. :(

enjoy,
Mtz

[Kurtnoise]

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe

[Mtz]

Thank you!
Besplit and sox still missing but I don't know if I'll use them. For testing I was trying to make an ogg and BeLight gave me an error. I don't use ogg; i just reported.

enjoy,
Mtz

[vlada]

Mtz
Please post more details. What error did you get? And also please paste here your LOG file.

[Mtz]

This is the log:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( 0061110](SSE2) (based on aoTuV b5)
) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 05/20/07 , 00:38:59.

C:\Program Files\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\test.mp3 -output C:\test.ogg -logfile C:\test.log ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -q 0.200 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\test.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\test.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97

enjoy,
Mtz

[Kurtnoise]

your input is mono ?

[delacroixp]

I'm encoding Blade Trinity with AutoMKV...
I prefer to transcode the audio tracks rather than use the 'copy original' option...
I like to include a stereo and surround version since stereo often sounds better on low-end systems and a 2-pass volume boost often helps all round...

Blade Trinity even has a DTS ES 6.1 (7 channel) surround... does anyone know when BeSweet/Belight might support AAC/MP4 6.1 surround... ???


:):D:eek:
Pascal


btw
Is there a way to convert DTS 6.1 to MP4 6.1 ...

[Kurtnoise]

I'm not sure that an aac encoder supports the correct mapping for 7 & more channels. Actually, I haven't tested with these kind of sources. So, if you can provide a sample I'll look at this.

[delacroixp]

I'm not sure that an aac encoder supports the correct mapping for 7 & more channels. Actually, I haven't tested with these kind of sources. So, if you can provide a sample I'll look at this.
I've uploaded Blade Trinity Chp1 DTS 6.1 (http://souls-online.net/delacroixp/BeLight/BladeTrinity_Chp1_DTS_6.1.rar) ... even at 31 MB it was pretty big though the complete track trundles in at a whopping 650 MB...


:):D:eek:
Pascal

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'm not sure that an aac encoder supports the correct mapping for 7 & more channels. Actually, I haven't tested with these kind of sources. So, if you can provide a sample I'll look at this.Rather bizarrely, QT7 Pro can generate AAC-LC at anything up-to 8No discrete (full frequency) channels: -

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8486/snap1tl5.png


Cheers

[Mtz]

your input is mono ?
Is stereo and can be encoded in everything from Belight, excepting OGG.

enjoy,
Mtz

[Kurtnoise]

mmh...could you upload a sample somewhere ? Thank you.

[Mtz]

Here is the Belight folder:
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/79/belightmb0.jpg
Here is the sample:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/t6psji
Here is Belight after displaying the error. Time used until display the error < 1 second.
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2320/belight2fc7.jpg

Thank you.

enjoy,
Mtz

[tebasuna51]

Here is the sample:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/t6psji
Not problem here:
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using hip.dll v1.19 by Myers Carpenter <myers@users.sf.net>
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( 0061110](SSE2) (based on aoTuV b5)
) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 05/22/07 , 16:23:08.

D:\Programa\Audio\besweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Test\test.mp3 -output D:\Test\test.ogg -logfile D:\Test\test.log )
-ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -q 0.200 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Test\test.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Test\test.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 0.200
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:12:14:339] Gain of -1.4dB had been asserted to file.
[00:12:14:339] Conversion Completed !
[00:12:14:339] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 48kbps
[00:00:20:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 05/22/07 , 16:23:28.
Maybe...
Your processor support SSE2?

[Mtz]

Nope. :(

enjoy,
Mtz

[Kurtnoise]

This might be the problem...replace libvorbis.dll by this one (http://www.rarewares.org/files/ogg/libvorbisaoTuVb5.zip) and try again.

[Mtz]

With this dll is working.
Thank you!

enjoy,
Mtz

[delacroixp]

I've been working on The Aristocats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocats) but am yet to transcode anything successfully into 5.1 MP4a ... ever !!!

I used BeLight 0.21 (BeSweet v1.5b31) since it supports VOB's since I use DVDDecrypter to direct-copy my audio tracks...
(I've avoided using DGIndex because it seams to convert to "AC3 3/2" rather than "AC3 5.1" ... by eliminating the LFE channel).
However, all speech is missing (the speech track seams to have gone AWOL).
I did a similar project with Band of Brothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Brothers) using the BeSweet GUI with similar results... and I couldn't even figure out how to set the quality level...
I then tried converting to WAV in 0.21 (works and sounds fine) and then converting to MP4a with RC1 but it closes within 1 second.

I know I'm missing a few apps but I don't think I'm using them...

[08:17:08] : BeLight version 0.2.2.0 RC1 started !
[08:17:08] : Microsoft Windows XP Professional (version 5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
[08:17:08] : Checking libraries for BeSweet...
[08:17:08] : FAAC.exe is missing in BeSweet folder...
[08:17:08] : EnhAacPlusEnc.exe is missing in BeSweet folder...
[08:17:08] : SpeexEnc.exe is missing in BeSweet folder...
[08:17:08] : Aften.exe is missing
[08:17:08] : Flake.exe is missing
[08:17:08] : NeroAACEnc.exe 1.0.7.0 detected
[08:17:08] : Aud-X Encoder not detected...


The BeSweet Log of Band of Brothers follows...

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll replacement by Dimzon & Kurtnoise, Build May 14 2007, 00:00:26

Logging start : 06/22/07 , 08:28:00.

E:\Encoding\_ENCODING FILES\Audio Files\BeSweetv1.5b31\BeSweet.exe -core( -input h:\Incomming\BoB 1\BoB 01 English.ac3 -output h:\Incomming\BoB 1\BoB 01 English.mp4 -logfilea E:\Encoding\_ENCODING FILES\Audio Files\BeSweetv1.5b31\BeSweet.log ) -azid( -c normal ) -bsn( -6chnew ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : h:\Incomming\BoB 1\BoB 01 English.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: h:\Incomming\BoB 1\BoB 01 English.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 1.700dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[01:10:19:456] Conversion Completed !
[00:17:00:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 06/22/07 , 08:45:00.

If I convert to 6 individual WAV tracks how do I convert them to 5.1 MP4a using BeLight... or BeSweet... ???

:thanks: for your time.


:):D:eek:
Pascal

[tebasuna51]

(I've avoided using DGIndex because it seams to convert to "AC3 3/2" rather than "AC3 5.1" ... by eliminating the LFE channel).

DGIndex only extract the track, can't recode eliminating the LFE.
You can safely use DGIndex to extract the ac3.

However, all speech is missing (the speech track seams to have gone AWOL).
I did a similar project with Band of Brothers using the BeSweet GUI with similar results... and I couldn't even figure out how to set the quality level...
I then tried converting to WAV in 0.21 (works and sounds fine) and then converting to MP4a with RC1 but it closes within 1 second.

Using Belight 0.2.2.0 RC1 all work without problems, transcoding ac3 to aac. Or you can use a command line for BeSweet like:
"E:\Encoding\_ENCODING FILES\Audio Files\BeSweetv1.5b31\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "h:\Incomming\BoB 1\BoB 01 English.ac3" -output "h:\Incomming\BoB 1\BoB 01 English.m4a" -logfilea "E:\Encoding\_ENCODING FILES\Audio Files\BeSweetv1.5b31\BeSweet.log" ) -azid( -c normal ) -bsn( -vbr 0.5 -6chnew ) -ota( -g max )
instead -vbr 0.5 you can use -cbr 320 or -abr 256 for instance.

If I convert to 6 individual WAV tracks how do I convert them to 5.1 MP4a using BeLight... or BeSweet... ???
Then you need a .mux file like BeSweet input.

[Randa]

Can anyone be of assistance in this matter, I've searched and inquired on several forums for over a week now with no answers.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I finally found out how to install and use Besweet and Belight. The question I have is this: The program immediately converted my VOB Audio files into MP3 Files with no problem but at the top of the black pop up window indicating what the program is doing there is this message "Error 64: unable to get ogg.dll interface download and install ogg vorbis DS (direct show filter)".As this did not effect my converting VOB files to MP3 is this download necessary? I am using Besweet 1.5 and Belight 0.21 as I was informed through doom9 that Belight 0.22 does not support conversion of VOB files. I also downloaded to the same folder the VOB Input dll file. Would Belight 0.22 support converting VOB files to MP3 if this VOB Input dll file was present, or does it not support it at all? I appreciate the information
Thanks
Randa

[Kurtnoise]

About error 64 : you need libvorbis.dll in your BeSweet folder...

And no, 0.22 builds don't have vob support yet.

[Randa]

I already have what is listed as the newest version of Besweet on my computer (1.5b31) which should have libvorbis.dll included should it not?
Randa

[Zodraz]

I am trying 0.2.2 RC1, and I think that I found a few bugs in its user interface which didn't existed in previous version (0.2.2 b9).

1. If I load some AC3 file, the Azid Settings / Dynamic Compression is checked when it shouldn't be. If I uncheck it, and click on the Advanced Settings, it will check itself.

2. If I load some file into the batch list, right click on it and choose Remove unchecked, I got an error message: "Access violation at address 00504502 in module 'BeLight.exe'. Read of address 00000030." After that, everytime when I click on the Advanced Settings, I got: "Access violation at address 004F36AA ...". Also, if I toogle between AAC Stereo and AAC 5.1, I got: "Access violation at address 00504F19 ...", and if I click on the Start Processing, I got: "Access violation at address 0050F563 ...".

This will happening until I remove an item from the batch list with Clear list from the context menu.

3. Same thing is happening if I only right click on the batch list and don't choose anything from the context menu. After that, with click on the Advanced Settings: "Access violation at address 004F36AA ...", toogle between AAC Stereo and AAC 5.1: "Access violation at address 0050F563 ..." and this will repeat until I remove an item from the batch list.

[delacroixp]

I'm trying to convert my classical music collection into Mp4a with BeSweet...

I have BeLight (0.22 RC1 and 0.21) aswell as BeSweetGUI (0.7b4)...
I recently started using Vista and use WMP to rip the CD into WAV format, download all available metadata and then use BeSweet to do the magic...

Unfortunately it crashes within seconds from a steady stream of Sync errors...

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : i:\Incomming\Avril Lavigne\The Best Damn Thing\01 Girlfriend.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: i:\Incomming\Avril Lavigne\The Best Damn Thing\01 Girlfriend.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:00:078] Stream error : Sync found after 1412 bytes
[00:00:00:130] Stream error : Sync found after 96 bytes
[00:00:00:182] Stream error : Sync found after 88 bytes
[00:00:00:235] Stream error : Sync found after 82 bytes
[00:00:00:287] Stream error : Sync found after 374 bytes
[00:00:00:339] Stream error : Sync found after 30 bytes
[00:00:00:470] Stream error : Sync found after 65554 bytes
[00:00:00:496] Stream error : Sync found after 10461 bytes
[00:00:00:574] Stream error : Sync found after 817 bytes
[00:00:00:653] Stream error : Sync found after 3265 bytes
[00:00:00:783] Stream error : Sync found after 1892 bytes
[00:00:00:914] Stream error : Sync found after 18669 bytes
[00:00:00:940] Stream error : Sync found after 1792 bytes
[00:00:00:966] Stream error : Sync found after 3070 bytes
[00:00:01:044] Stream error : Sync found after 974 bytes


What's happening...


:):D:eek:
Pascal

[tebasuna51]

I'm trying to convert my classical music collection into Mp4a with BeSweet...

I have BeLight (0.22 RC1 and 0.21) aswell as BeSweetGUI (0.7b4)...
I recently started using Vista and use WMP to rip the CD into WAV format, download all available metadata and then use BeSweet to do the magic...

Unfortunately it crashes within seconds from a steady stream of Sync errors...

What's happening...

Use BeLight 0.22 RC1 and forget BeSweetGUI, put the full log file to see the command line and BeSweet/bsn versions ...

Really strange if there are desync in wav file ripped from CD ...???

[delacroixp]

Use BeLight 0.22 RC1 and forget BeSweetGUI, put the full log file to see the command line and BeSweet/bsn versions ...

Really strange if there are desync in wav file ripped from CD ...???
All done...

BeLight is still complaining that FAAC.exe, SpeexENC.exe, Aften.exe, Flake.exe and Aud-X.exe are all missing but otherwise all is well...
However... BL refuses to load up a WAV file... it's happy with AC3 or even .VOB AC3...
It recognizes the .WAV extention but it doesn't actually load up...

Sorry for the trouble shooting...


:):D:eek:
Pascal

[tebasuna51]

Maybe your wav is damaged.

Use other tool than WMP, Nero, Winamp, CDex, ... to obtain uncompressed PCM wav file and try.

A uncompressed PCM wav file can't send
Stream error : Sync found after 1412 bytes
...

[burfadel]

Also its unfortunate besweet hasn't been updated in a LONG time. Hopefully they'll bring out a new version soon!

[ACrowley]

Works perfect

But im wondering wheres OTA Timestretch Function ?
In Advanced Settings is only Soundtouch ,but no OTA

And when i enable Soundtouch PAL to NTSC , theres no Effect. Its not applied in the Commanline

[Kurtnoise]

soundtouch functions apply *only* with wav sources...

@delacroixp : feel free to post a sample of your input file.

@burfadel: I doubt that there will be a new version soon. What about a petition or something to open the sources?

[delacroixp]

@delacroixp : feel free to post a sample of your input file.
I've uploaded Blade Trinity Chp1 DTS 6.1 (http://souls-online.net/delacroixp/BeLight/BladeTrinity_Chp1_DTS_6.1.rar) ... even at 31 MB it was pretty big though the complete track trundles in at a whopping 650 MB...



I think I'm running out of server space since my last upload and while I'm no Einstein, I'm sure that tebasuna51 is correct in his assesment...
I did ComSci at UCT (http://www.uct.ac.za/) for 4 years back in '84 and I'm just as clueless now as I was then... even with an upper 2nd aggregate...

soundtouch functions apply *only* with wav sources...

@burfadel: I doubt that there will be a new version soon. What about a petition or something to open the sources?
Dr DivX (http://labs.divx.com/DrDivX) seam have been struck by the same update blues... it's difficult to get ahead in this tekkie-world let alone remain currant...
A new version of BeSweet with support for 6.1, 7.1 and more would certainly be a bonus...


:):D:eek:
Pascal

[ACrowley]

soundtouch functions apply *only* with wav sources...


Mhh, but why no OTA Timestretch as like as in Besweet Gui ? Makes Sense for me because a lot of people use it for AC3 to wave with Timestretch ?

OK, so i have to use Besweet Gui when i need Ota Timestretch..

[tebasuna51]

Mhh, but why no OTA Timestretch as like as in Besweet Gui ? Makes Sense for me because a lot of people use it for AC3 to wave with Timestretch ?

OK, so i have to use Besweet Gui when i need Ota Timestretch..

The OTA algorithms to TimeStretch are outdated, and SoundTouch for AviSynth 2.5.7 seems the better free quality option. You can use BeHappy (or wavi without .NET dependence) to make TimeStretch functions.

[tebasuna51]

I've uploaded Blade Trinity Chp1 DTS 6.1 ...

DTS is not supported by BeSweet like input format, use Tranzcode, Foobar2000 or an AviSynth method (BeHappy, SoundOut or wavi).

[ACrowley]

The OTA algorithms to TimeStretch are outdated, and SoundTouch for AviSynth 2.5.7 seems the better free quality option. You can use BeHappy (or wavi without .NET dependence) to make TimeStretch functions.

Sure, i know...it was only a question :) I dont use Besweet fro Timestretching

I use Steinberg Nuendo or wavlelab for Timestretching

[delacroixp]

I've uploaded Blade Trinity Chp1 DTS 6.1 (http://souls-online.net/delacroixp/BeLight/BladeTrinity_Chp1_DTS_6.1.rar)
DTS is not supported by BeSweet like input format, use Tranzcode, Foobar2000 or an AviSynth method (BeHappy, SoundOut or wavi).
It's all good... maybe next time... when BeSweet gets a 'complete makeover' though a facelift wont be necessary since BeLight is prettty and kewl...




@delacroixp : feel free to post a sample of your input file.
@burfadel: I doubt that there will be a new version soon.

What about a petition or something to open the sources?
Maybe your wav is damaged.

Use other tool than WMP, Nero, Winamp, CDex, ... to obtain uncompressed PCM wav file and try.

A uncompressed PCM wav file can't send
Stream error : Sync found after 1412 bytes
...
I used the latest version (3.55) of WinAmp to rip the the CD's into PCM WAV and then Belight with 'Q1 and HEv2' to convert into M4a...
It works like a charm, I love the VBR and the files, at max quality, are still less than 1MB/minute-of-audio...
Unfortunately WinAmp doesn't seam to download the front CD-cover like WMP... which comes on the Zoom Player interface on playback...

I still have issues with loading files or directories since it crashes if 2 or more, files are present even if I un-check the one...
Folder batching would have really put the cherry on the top to an otherwise lightning fast experience... each file takes less than 20 seconds and that's for an 8 minute Bach Fugue... a far cry from movie audiotracks that allow you ample time to make coffee, order out pizza and have a shower...



:):D:eek:
Pascal


BTW
Does the LC profile actually deliver more... it seams to work harder and filesize(HEv2 Q1 = LC Q0.3)... which certainly makes one wonder 'what's really happening'...

[Kurtnoise]

I still have issues with loading files or directories since it crashes if 2 or more, files are present even if I un-check the one...
known issue...

Does the LC profile actually deliver more... it seams to work harder and filesize(HEv2 Q1 = LC Q0.3)... which certainly makes one wonder 'what's really happening'...
There was an issue with the old ND encoder for the -q =1.00 settings. Update to the new release which fixes this problem...

[Zodraz]

DTS is not supported by BeSweet like input format, use Tranzcode, Foobar2000 or an AviSynth method (BeHappy, SoundOut or wavi).

DTS is not supported by BeLight, but I think it is supported by BeSweet with the help of azidts.

I am just wondering how difficult should be for Kurtnoise13 to include support for Tranzcode into BeLight, considering that he already wrote TranzGUI.

[tebasuna51]

DTS is not supported by BeLight, but I think it is supported by BeSweet with the help of azidts.

azidts need a commercial DirectShow filter installed and registered.

[Kurtnoise]

I am just wondering how difficult should be for Kurtnoise13 to include support for Tranzcode into BeLight, considering that he already wrote TranzGUI.
should be easy but I need tranzcode 0.4 sources first (to implement the stdout)

[Zodraz]

azidts need a commercial DirectShow filter installed and registered.

Yeah, I know that. IIRC, it needs WinDVD installed and because of that I am not using it. Solution with Transcode is much cleaner and better.

[Zodraz]

should be easy but I need tranzcode 0.4 sources first (to implement the stdout)

How about using Transcode 0.3 source codes? You already did TranzGUI with them.

BTW, I think that I found some unexpected behavior with TranzGUI. It don't have its own thread, so I post a report here. I tried search in the forum, but nobody reported similar problem.

I have WAV files ripped from DTS-CD, they are 16 bits, 44.1 kHz, 5.1 ch. If I open such DTS-WAVs in TranzGUI, it says that file is stereo, and if I click on 6 Mono Wav I get error message: "Works only with a 6 channels file !!!"

Tranzcode CLI works just fine with such files, both 0.3 and 0.4 versions.

Please, could you tell me if I am doing something wrong?

I forgot to mention, if I rebuild such DTS-WAV files with DTS Parser by Hypercube Softwares, TranzGUI works fine with them.

EDIT 2: I just tried fresh new AC3Filter Tools and its bsconvert CLI. After its conversion resulting file is recognized by BeLight and works fine. Here is what it says about input file:

Stream format: DTS 3/2.1 (5.1) 44100Hz
Bitstream type: 14bit low endian
Frame size: free format
Samples: 1024
Bitrate: unknown
SPDIF stream type: 0xc
Frame interval: 4096
Actual bitrate: 1411kbps

[Kurtnoise]

An issue from the wav parser probably...I'll fix that asap.

about tranzcode 0.3 sources : I prefer the 0.4 because they are some bugfixes and multichannel output.

[ParkerLewis]

hi guys,

a stange thing happens with 0.22 rc1 (had no problem with 0.22 beta 9) : i can't open ac3 files.

Whenever I drag & drop one in the file zone, or try to open in the menu, it just doesn't appear. it's like i hadn't done anything.

I've tried with other kinds of files (mp3 at least), it works as intended. I just can't add any ac3 file to the list.

Would you guys have any idea of the possible source of the problem and/or a way to fix it ?

Once again, I didn't have any problem with 0.22 beta 9 (ac3 files could be dragged & dropped or opened just fine).

Thanks.

[ACrowley]

An issue from the wav parser probably...I'll fix that asap.

about tranzcode 0.3 sources : I prefer the 0.4 because they are some bugfixes and multichannel output.


Hey 0.4 works nice

Also with AC3 support. But the AC3 decoding applies DRC

[Taurus]

@ParkerLewis
I don't know what went wrong on your side, but I can tell you that ac3 import works very well on my side.
Tested with 0.0.2.0 RC1 and 0.0.2.0 Beta9.
So there is something burked at your side.
Maybe a file comparision on the two installs shows you where the troublemaker lies :p
Maybe there is something missing....

cheers

Taurus

[ParkerLewis]

@Taurus
thanks for the reply. but i don't have "two installs". i just had a folder with besweet & belight 0.22 beta 9 in it, and everything worked fine.

then i downloaded the 0.22 rc 1 from the website, and unzipped it (autmoatically replacing the old beta 9 files when applicable), and that's it.

any idea ?

thanks...

[Kurtnoise]

Could you upload a sample of your ac3 file please ? thanks...

[ParkerLewis]

@Kurtnoise13

Thanks for your time.

Here is a small attached sample of one of the ac3 files. I tried to open the sample in BeLight to make sure and it is not opening.

[Kurtnoise]

Ok...it seems that this is the same issue (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1019084#post1019084) reported by Castellanos. :(

[SeeMoreDigital]

@Kurtnoise13

Thanks for your time.

Here is a small attached sample of one of the ac3 files. I tried to open the sample in BeLight to make sure and it is not opening.Whenever I find an AC3 file that can't be opened in BeLight it's most probably because it's broken in some way.

I have found that running such files thru' "Delay Cut" fixes the issue. Like so: -

[Input info]
Bitrate=192
Actual rate=192.000000
Sampling Frec=48000
TotalFrames=250
Bytesperframe= 768.0000
Filesize=192192
FrameDuration= 32.0000
Framespersecond= 31.2500
Duration=00:00:08.008
Channels mode=2/0: L+R
LFE=LFE: Not present
[Target info]
StartFrame=0
EndFrame=249
NotFixedDelay= 0.0000
Duration=00:00:08.000
====== PROCESSING LOG ======================
Time 00:00:00.000; Frame#= 1. Unsynchronized frame...SKIPPED 720 bytes. Found new synch word
Time 00:00:08.000; Frame#= 251. Uncomplete frame...SKIPPED
Number of written frames = 249
Number of Errors= 2


Cheers

[Taurus]

@ParkerLewis
Where did you get your ac3 files from?
The one in your sample is slightly corrupted.
As SMD mentioned it can be fixed with Delay Cut.
But this is just a workaround.
If you demuxed the files from a video let us know witch one took the part, to see what went wrong.
Strange anyway, the beta can open it but the RC1 not.
The resulting wav encode in the beta throws an error but the file is playable.

[tebasuna51]

This kind of ac3 streams can be obtained cutting a audio-video container by video boundaries (video frames) then the first and last audio frames are incomplete.

Also VirtualDub implement the delays adding 0 bytes at the beginning of the stream, then is a very common issue.
The same problem in BeLight when open an ac3 extracted with VirtualDubMod-Demux if previously a VD/VDM delay was applied.

Maybe if BeLight use mediainfo to analyze the stream take the error like fatal when is a simple delay.

[ParkerLewis]

Ok...it seems that this is the same issue (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1019084#post1019084) reported by Castellanos. :(

Hmm, yeah, seeing the thread, it apparently is :/

Whenever I find an AC3 file that can't be opened in BeLight it's most probably because it's broken in some way.

I have found that running such files thru' "Delay Cut" fixes the issue. Like so: -

*snip*

Cheers

Well, in the end i just decided to go back to 0.22 beta 9 for the time being (i just needed to convert a few files) but you're right, the "run it through a 'certified' program to make it correct any errors it might have" trick is the classic correct answer to such problems :)

@ParkerLewis
Where did you get your ac3 files from?
The one in your sample is slightly corrupted.
As SMD mentioned it can be fixed with Delay Cut.
But this is just a workaround.
If you demuxed the files from a video let us know witch one took the part, to see what went wrong.


I'm not completely sure I understand your last sentence... would you like me to give you a sample of the vid ?
In any case, it's your regular xvid file in a .avi container. I demuxed the .ac3 with Vdubmod (the "latest" one, as old as it is now)

This kind of ac3 streams can be obtained cutting a audio-video container by video boundaries (video frames) then the first and last audio frames are incomplete.

Also VirtualDub implement the delays adding 0 bytes at the beginning of the stream, then is a very common issue.
The same problem in BeLight when open an ac3 extracted with VirtualDubMod-Demux if previously a VD/VDM delay was applied.

Maybe if BeLight use mediainfo to analyze the stream take the error like fatal when is a simple delay.

Well then, i guess here's the source of the problem.

[tebasuna51]

If the initial bytes before a frame header are know and also the bitrate we can know the delay:

delay = bits / bitrate = (bytes x 8) / bitrate

And here with your sample:

delay = 720 x 8 / 192000 = 30 ms.

Only one cut like this can be assumed but if you plain to do many cuts and after join the results, the end delay is noticeable.

[ParkerLewis]

actually, i did two cuts to get that file.

There was the "original" avi file.

i took the first minute of this file (direct stream copy as an avi in vdubmod).
then, realizing the audio file would still be too big for the forums, i took only the first 12 or so seconds of this one minute file (here again with direct stream copy as an avi).

the i opened this 12 sec file in vdubmod, and demuxed the ac3.

[Kurtnoise]

@ParkerLewis: why not loading directly the avi file instead of demux the audio stream ?

In the last release, BeLight is able to transcode the first audio stream directly from the AVI container. (be sure to have VOBInput.dll though...)

[tebasuna51]

If always is the beginning, "the first minute" ... "the first 12 or so seconds", maybe the problem is already in the "original" avi file.

But seems mediainfo don't report the ac3 problem inside avi and BeLight accept the avi and not the extracted ac3.

[Zodraz]

I have a few questions related to mentioned VOBInput.dll. Is there a programmatic possibility with that dll to choose an audio stream? When BeLight will get a support for VOB files, would it be a way to choose a specific PGC inside of VOBs?

How about splited AVI files? BeLight doesn't support LST files with AVI files inside of them, in contrast with BeSweet.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Kurt,

When generating 5.1 (6Ch) AAC-LC or HE audio streams, I've noticed RC1 is not blanking out the "Channel Mode" (like it does with say, BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02): -

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4361/rc1oe8.png..

Also, the AAC-LC option is generating encodes at 24.00KHz instead of 48.00KHz and the encoded bit-rate is slightly off target: -

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.4 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 08/28/07 , 16:47:24.

C:\Program Files\BeLight 0.22 RC1\BeSweet.exe
-core(
-input C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
-output C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
-logfile C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .log )
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 192 -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: None
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:50:144] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:12:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 08/28/07 , 16:47:36.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1287/aaclcgw7.png


Cheers

[tebasuna51]

Also, the AAC-LC option is generating encodes at 24.00KHz instead of 48.00KHz and the encoded bit-rate is slightly off target

These are encoder issues, not BeLight problems.

BTW, don't trust in MediaInfo, really are 48 KHz., try decode the aac sample with faad and you obtain a 48 KHz wav.

[SeeMoreDigital]

These are encoder issues, not BeLight problems.

BTW, don't trust in MediaInfo, really are 48 KHz., try decode the aac sample with faad and you obtain a 48 KHz wav.Hmmm... I'm not so sure.

If I generate an encode (from the same source) with BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02) using the same settings, .dll files, etc, I get this: -BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.4 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 08/28/07 , 18:06:38.

C:\Program Files\BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02)\BeSweet.exe -core(
-input C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
-output C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
-logfile C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .log )
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 192 -lc -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\6Ch AC3@448Kbps .aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: None
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:00:50:144] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:10:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 08/28/07 , 18:06:48.


http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/144/belightgp1.png

.....which, is just about right (apart from the encodes bit-rate) ;)


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

Is there a programmatic possibility with that dll to choose an audio stream? When BeLight will get a support for VOB files, would it be a way to choose a specific PGC inside of VOBs?
Yes, via the IFO parsing. not related to VOBInput.dll though...this library is just able to detect audio IDs and delays from VOB files (only ac3 & mpa, not dts).

How about splited AVI files? BeLight doesn't support LST files with AVI files inside of them, in contrast with BeSweet.
It's planned...:)

[Kurtnoise]

When generating 5.1 (6Ch) AAC-LC or HE audio streams, I've noticed RC1 is not blanking out the "Channel Mode" (like it does with say, BeLight_Beta_Daily_(2006-10-02)
ups...:p Should be fixed soon.


Regarding bitrate target and mediainfo : raw aac files are really a piss of sh*t to parse...Use the mp4 container to store aac streams. In the other hand, there are some rounding value for this setting.

[tebasuna51]

Is true, there are a problem in new BeLight version, the -lc parameter is not included (see the command line) and the aac generated is HE (with SBR, because the default for 192 Kb/s 6 channel is SBR) then the LC frequency is 24 KHz and the high frequencies go in SBR part.

For me Foobar2000 is best than MediaInfo to detect the aac parameters, but don't read well the CT aac files, we need mux to mp4 and then see the Properties.

[SeeMoreDigital]

...we need mux to mp4 and then see the Properties.That's a good idea :)

Muxing to .MP4 or better still .M4A (like FAAC and ND do), would be very useful.... Would this be possible Kurt?


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

why not using Yamb for that ?

;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

why not using Yamb for that ?

;)I do already... But there's nothing like convenience.

Plus, when you are using CT's encoder to generate AAC-HE encodes, it would be useful to know that the .M4A encode contain SBR... Just in-case you forgot to manually add the SBR signalling yourself in YAMB.


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

There is no way to know whether or not ADTS AAC files contain SBR flag (except to decode few frames; that's most smart players do)...

Anyway, mediaInfo report the correct settings for m4a files containing SBR streams (LC-SBR or LC-SBR+PS).

[slipk487]

i am having a problem. when i am trying to encode ac3 audio with belight the log says it output the file to my desktop but i have never seen an output file for it anywhere. what could be causing this problem.

[tebasuna51]

There is no way to know whether or not ADTS AAC files contain SBR flag (except to decode few frames; that's most smart players do)...

Anyway, mediaInfo report the correct settings for m4a files containing SBR streams (LC-SBR or LC-SBR+PS).

But in this case MediaInfo inform LC only 24 KHz with the aac and with the mp4 muxed with Yamb. Foobar detect the mp4 like LC SBR and 48 KHz.

[slipk487]

nvm problem solved it weird all i did was download the nero digital audio+ again and replace the one that i had in belight's folder and now it works fine

[Kurtnoise]

But in this case MediaInfo inform LC only 24 KHz with the aac and with the mp4 muxed with Yamb. Foobar detect the mp4 like LC SBR and 48 KHz.
You have to specify the sbr signalling via the Properties when you mux he-aac files into the mp4.

[tebasuna51]

You have to specify the sbr signalling via the Properties when you mux he-aac files into the mp4.

Via Properties?
I have Yamb v1.6.0 and don't see where signal sbr.

I try in Options -> General -> MP4Box -> View or edit the MP4Box Command Line, adding the -sbr switch but seems don't work.

BTW I use BeHappy with enc_aacplus (and MP4Box) and the output is signaled and recognized by MediaInfo like you say.

In any case when don't know 'a priori' if is signaled or not I prefer Foobar2000 to see the properties, always is correct.

[SeeMoreDigital]

In YAMB 1.6, it's here: -

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7186/yamb16sbrwl1.png

You need to click on the "Options" tab. And under "General Options" put a tick in the box next to "Enable Import Settings". Then re-start YAMB.


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

About Properties button : I spoke about the 2.0.0.7 release not the old one...:rolleyes:

[tebasuna51]

@SeeMoreDigital
Thanks, really is the first time I use Yamb. :rolleyes:

@Kurtnoise13
"I spoke about the 2.0.0.7 release not the old one."

In your "my random stuff" the old one 1.6.0 from 2007-08-04 is the last one. You have many work this summer :)

[Kurtnoise]

huh ? You didn't read the other forums ? :p I store the old builds in this folder and the last one has been released the 4th of August. Grab the new one here : http://yamb.unite-video.com

;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Going back to placing AAC audio streams directly within the .M4A container.....

How are NeroDigital (CLI) and FAAC encoders are able to offer this option and not CT's?


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

You mean the public Winamp CT-based encoder ?

Actually, it does but an external library is needed (libmp4v2 like Winamp or libgpac should be fine) but it's not included in the Wa_aac.dll...

[SeeMoreDigital]

...Actually, it does but an external library is needed (libmp4v2 like Winamp or libgpac should be fine) but it's not included in the Wa_aac.dll...Does this mean it would be impossible to add .M4A muxing to BeLight?

[Kurtnoise]

This is doable to include this into Wa_aac.dll (sources are available) but I've no time yet to do that...

[SeeMoreDigital]

This is doable to include this into Wa_aac.dll (sources are available) but I've no time yet to do that...Thanks for the confirmation. Good to know that it is possible :)

[Barough]

Started 2 get into BeSweet/BeLight here a couple of weeks ago and i must say that i really like the BeLight GUI :)

Hope to see a Final/Stable release of BeLight 0.22 soon

//B

[grannyGeek]

Kurtnoise, I've used BeLight for many months, and love it, the gui makes conversions dead simple for newbs like me.

I was hoping that you might consider re-vamping the gui / interface on next release to make it a little more compact.

I have bad old eyes, and must use Large DPI settings with 1024x768 resolution. The gui covers the screen top to bottom, and the button to "Start Processing" always falls off the bottom of the screen, I have to fiddle with Control Panel display settings.

Any chance of this ever happening?

If not, it is a minor thing, and I will put up with a lot to be able to use this excellent tool.
Thank you for your good work!

[Kurtnoise]

Sure I will...

anyway, you can access "Start Processing" via the menu (Options -> Go To -> Start Processing).

[grannyGeek]

Well, use the MENU. Of course.
< Duh! why didn't I think of that? >
See, that's why us newbs need you guys to keep us on track, otherwise we just lose touch with reality.

Anyway, thanks so much for considering the suggestion.
Keep up the good work.

:thanks:

[grannyGeek]

Sorry, here is another dumb noob question.

I'm running XP PRO SP2 on a dual-processor HP machine.

I downloaded the zip of BeLight 0.22RC1 from FreeCodecs.
This is not a complete package as was offered on some earlier releases, it looks to be only the BeLight exe and some help files, am I correct?

So do I just copy the exe into the folder for 0.22beta9 and overwrite the old exe? This is what I tried, but I am getting a program crash when I try to actually transcode an audio file.

Then I tried downloading and installing BeSweet again, and added the BeLight 0.2.2RC1 files to the BeSweet folder, as instructed on FreeCodecs BeLight page. I pointed BeLight to the BeSweet and BeSplit exe files. When BeLight loads, none of the menu buttons have text, and it is just impossible to work without knowing what the radio buttons do. When I click the "Start Process" button, a box pops up with no text, only an exclamation point.

I see by the changelog that there have been a number of changes in dll libraries, so I wonder if there are some version conflicts happening here.

What simple thing am I doing wrong?

[tebasuna51]

@grannyGeek

Use the 'my random stuff' (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/) link from Kurtnoise13 (BeLight author) to download BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe 2.7 MB, this the complete package you need.

Download also the bsn_20070513.zip and update the bsn.dll in the package. Maybe you need also Aften and NeroAacEnc in Belight folder if you want encode to ac3 or aac.

BTW, use http://www.imageshack.us/ or equivalent to host your images because your 'belightStrangeness.JPG' is not accesible, is still 'Attachement Pendig Approval'

[grannyGeek]

@ tebasuna51, thank you so much for the links.
I have a working installation now. :cool:
I'll be tearing up my avi tracks now!

(and thank you too, for the advice about imageShack)

[humax]

Is there no more development of BeLight ??

[burfadel]

There's still the bug a lot of people find when there's more than one file in the encoding list, belight just skips right through them.

[delacroixp]

I'm still waiting for Besweet to support 9-channel surround and scripting... so that AutoMKV can do surround sound encoding...

I'm not sure whether holding my breath or going on a hunger-strike would be of any value...
My Visual C++ and Assembler certainly sux... so that wont help...



:):devil::D
Pascal

[Kurtnoise]

I'm still waiting for Besweet to support 9-channel surround and scripting...
how to tweak an app which is closed sources ?

[den78]

v0.22 RC1:
when i try to convert (in my case: mp2 & mp3) to mp3... nothing happens... & when i exit the program & try to do it again i can't input any file (it doesn't show in the program list)... why?

[Bluedan]

There's still the bug a lot of people find when there's more than one file in the encoding list, belight just skips right through them.

Reminder. That's the most annoying thing at all. I ALWAYS use to transform a couple of files whenever I use belight. The manual file-by-file is a hassle.

Please fix it. It's a basic feature...

[delacroixp]

Have you done any 6ch-DTS -> 6ch-MP4 conversions...

I'm using the BeSweet GUI which is really growing on me... but
I've had trouble finding AzidDTS.exe and AziDTS.exe isn't working to fruition...

I keep getting error "CreateFilter: Failed to create filter !" on startup.


:):devil::D
Pascal

[Bluedan]

@delacroixp

No, I haven't yet. But Conversion to 5.1 ogg vorbis didn't work for me either. Didn't try that extensively because I don't have 5.1 hardware. Anyhow, it should have worked the way I used it.

[Kurtnoise]

Reminder. That's the most annoying thing at all. I ALWAYS use to transform a couple of files whenever I use belight. The manual file-by-file is a hassle.

Please fix it. It's a basic feature...
I'll look at this during my Xmas holidays...

[Kurtnoise]

Have you done any 6ch-DTS -> 6ch-MP4 conversions...
you can't...for the simple reason that BeSweet doesn't have a dts decoder.

[Bluedan]

you can't...for the simple reason that BeSweet doesn't have a dts decoder.

RIght. In my case it wasn't DTS 5.1 but AC3 5.1

Kurtnoise13, I really appreciate that you are willing to take care of this during that special time of the year!
Hope, it doesn't take to much time.

I cannot explain why I prefer your app over the megui audio conversion implementation... but I really do! :p

[delacroixp]

Have you done any 6ch-DTS -> 6ch-MP4 conversions...

you can't...for the simple reason that BeSweet doesn't have a dts decoder.
Well that pretty much settles that and it goes a long way in explaining why I couldn't get the job done (besides :stupid:)

However, it is Xmas... and a time for miracles !!!
Perhaps a spot of 5.1 DTS -> MP4 Transcoding could fall into that category.


:):devil::D
Pascal


ps
It seams like sunshine for you in Marseille today (15° C max) but mostly cloudy over the weekend...
Good indoor weather for a spot of software engineering.

[tebasuna51]

However, it is Xmas... and a time for miracles !!!
Perhaps a spot of 5.1 DTS -> MP4 Transcoding could fall into that category.

There are free solutions to transcode 5.1 DTS -> MP4, with Foobar2000 or BeHappy-AviSynth methods, and, using intermediate wav files, you can decode DTS wit Tranzcode and after encode with BeLight.

Maybe if DSPguru make a Xmas present with the BeSweet source code ...

[Kurtnoise]

Maybe if DSPguru make a Xmas present with the BeSweet source code ...
yeah, that could be great. Maybe it's time to launch a petition or something, sponsored by Doom9 himself...:p

what do you think guys ?

[burfadel]

yeah, that could be great. Maybe it's time to launch a petition or something, sponsored by Doom9 himself...:p

what do you think guys ?

Definately! It would be great to get some updates on it, its the only practical solution we have for MEgui/staxrip etc (from what I understand) and the loss of it through future incompatibilities would be very frustrating!

[tebasuna51]

yeah, that could be great. Maybe it's time to launch a petition or something, sponsored by Doom9 himself...:p

what do you think guys ?

Of course, with your bsn.dll and adding dll's you can solve encoder news but there are other problems like:

- Add decoders for dts, aac, and news like eac3, truehd, mlp, ... (tranzcode, faad, ffmpeg, ...)

- Add suport for wav's > 4GB, WAVE_FORMAT_EXTENSIBLE, LPCM, w64, ... and others. (WaveWizard)

- Add functions like Downmix (not only for ac3), and better multichannel support for resample and timestretch functions, ...

[Bluedan]

Well, enhancing the conversion capabilities of besweet/belight is a pretty (but huge) task, but ATM I would be rather satisfied with the fix of the current state of belight before taking further steps...

[delacroixp]

I've been doing quite a lot of 5.1 AC3 -> 5.1 MP4 transcodes with the latest BeSweet and BeLight GUI (Besweet GUI has also worked well).

All good... some of the encodes took 45 minutes or so (Q40 -LC profile).
Anyway, I tried to double-up on the encodes since it was only using 55% CPU (stereo encodes somewhat less).
I duplicated the folders and a few double encodes went well, I renamed the folders and also downloded "enhAacPlusEnc.exe" to test out the HE profile.
I gather that the HE profile is best for bitrates under 128 kbps but does that exclude the number of channels (eg, stereo vs surround).

Suddenly the encodes wont run... bsn.dll missing.
According to the log it can't find any files except "neroAacEnc.exe"...
So what gives...


:):devil::D
Pascal


btw
Are LC and HE suitable for 5.1 surround mp4.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Sounds like some of BeLight's settings have become confused... This is what I do: -

Delete the "BeLight.ini" file. When you restart BeLight you will be greeted by the "Executible Settings" window. Make sure "BeSweet" is pointing to the correct location.


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

no sense...

[delacroixp]

Sounds like some of BeLight's settings have become confused... This is what I do: -

Delete the "BeLight.ini" file. When you restart BeLight you will be greeted by the "Executible Settings" window. Make sure "BeSweet" is pointing to the correct location.

Works beautifully though my '% countdown' doesn't work if I transcode from 5.1 AC3 surround to m4a stereo.
Is there a way to switch off the GUI display during encodes ?
(should give a 5% increase in speed during dual-encodes)


no sense...
I take it that refers to my "HE surround" encode (didn't work... a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing).
I just love the HE profile for 'commentary tracks'... you can really drop the original AC3 stereo by half or more.

The options to 1) reduce Dynamic Range, 2) reduce Sampling downto 44.100, 3) Boosting volume and 4) using a 2-pass Pre-Gain strategy... all work together very nicely for smaller encodes.
The overall effect on low fidelity sound system is pretty awesome... it really makes them sound good (lol) !!!


I'm still having trouble with "5.1 AC3 -> 5.1 M4a" conversions...
The audio sounds muddy and the voice track is somehow 'missing'.



:):devil::D
Pascal

[delacroixp]

I've just love MS Office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Picture_Manager) Picture Manager (http://ittraining.lse.ac.uk/Documentation/OnlineGuides/Picture-Manager.htm)... It let's you crop L,R,T and B, giving an adjusted image & resolution readout in realtime.
It works well with Media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Player_Classic) Player (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Video-Players/Media-Player-Classic-for-Win2kXP.shtml) Classic (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Media_Player_Classic.htm) which outputs an anamorphic snapshot.

It's easier to see the effect of cropping, with the original 720x576 (PAL) image.


:):devil::D
Pascal

[Kurtnoise]

I'm still having trouble with "5.1 AC3 -> 5.1 M4a" conversions...
The audio sounds muddy and the voice track is somehow 'missing'.

which encoder ? which target bitrate ? which settings ?

[delacroixp]

which encoder ? which target bitrate ? which settings ?
Besweet (1.5 b31)
BeLight (0.2.2.0 RC1)
neroAacEnc (1.1.34.2)

LC profile, Quality set to 30

Dynamic Compression (Light)
Output Sampling Rate 44100 Hz
Boost Mode (Ligh)
Mode (PreGain)

Audio track - (1st episode Band of Brothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Brothers))
AC3 - 6 Ch - 384 kbps - 48000 hz - 1:10:19


:):devil::D
Lacsap

.

[Kurtnoise]

1/ don't use the Boost (only for wav input files),
2/ try to disable Dynamic Compression,
3/ Are you sure you want to resample your file (48 to 44,1KHz) ? IMO, this shouldn't be necessary.

[delacroixp]

1/ don't use the Boost (only for wav input files),
2/ try to disable Dynamic Compression,
3/ Are you sure you want to resample your file (48 to 44,1KHz) ? IMO, this shouldn't be necessary.
1/ gtk
2/ I'm aiming at Low-Fidelity sound systems (PC) which struggle with very high and low volumes in the same movie (will do).
3/ Also 2/ since they struggle with low-bass/hi-trebles (will test).
(I'm encoding at very low bitrates [800xheight @ Q20_CQ-CRF] where audio can easily be over 10% filesize - I prefer 5%-10%)

These encodes take forever which hardly encourages testing.
That said, I tried HEv2 at 0.8, 0.6, 0.4 and 0.2 (BBC Himalaya (http://www.bbcshop.com/invt/bbcdvd1495) documentary).
The filesize of '0.6 was slightly less than 0.8' while '0.4 was equal to 0.8' and then '0.2 dropped off sharply' but the audio was still "perfect" (Michael Palin (http://www.palinstravels.co.uk/) speaking only).


:thanks: very much for the suggestions.



:):devil::D
Lacsap

[Kurtnoise]

you can try also to downmix then (6ch to 2ch) if your encodes are at low bitrates...to reduce the audio stream size.

[delacroixp]

you can try also to downmix then (6ch to 2ch) if your encodes are at low bitrates...to reduce the audio stream size.
I'm encoding a lot of documentaries and old movies (+20yrs old & even 40yrs old) where surround sound is quite primative or unnecessary.
That said, I grew up with a stereo sound system (70's) and so surround sound, stereoscopic movies (http://www.amazon.com/real-3D-list-stereoscopic-movies/lm/R3NEVDQ4P1ZNO0) and 3D is pretty intriguing.
For newer movies I would like to include a cut-down 5.1-m4a that is 'lean and mean' but still workable.


:):devil::D
Pascal

[delacroixp]

3/ Are you sure you want to resample your file (48 to 44,1KHz) ? IMO, this shouldn't be necessary.
I think you're right !

I've done a lot of 44.1 kHz encodes with HEv2 (mostly animations) and the files generated are roughly 90 kbps (0.8q).
I tried a few encodes at 48 kHz, 1Q... and while there is a slight increase in bitrate... none come close to the full 128 kbps (max allowed bitrate for the profile).

What's your experience with HEv2... any tips (still love the profile) ?


:):devil::D
Pascal


ps
I've given up on 5.1 M4a surround for the time being (HEv2 is also pretty quick).
My feeling is that my issues is with 384 kbps surround (like, Band of Brothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Brothers)).
AC3 448 kbps 5.1 -> 5.1 M4a probably works just fine.
Stereo, in general, and HEv2, in particular, is working very well for my 800 -> 1800 bitrate encodes (0.1 -> 0.2 BPP (http://forums.divx.com/forum/viewTopic.php?id=3766))
(The calculator only works in Firefox)

[Kurtnoise]

well...depends on the sources transcoded but HE-AAC v2 @96-128kbps is an overkill imo.

[delacroixp]

well...depends on the sources transcoded but HE-AAC v2 @ 96-128kbps is an overkill imo.
Good to know !!!

:thanks: much


:):devil::D
Pascal


ps
I find it a little wierd that commentary tracks will usually have a similar filesize as the main audio track... given equivalent settings.
I somehow expected HE-AAC v2 to adjust more radically to talk-only tracks.

[RedDwarf1]

I have been using BeLight to transcode Mpa to Mp3 using target mode quality rather than bitrate, quality setting 60, variable bitrate mode fast, hybrid gain and normalize to 100%. Yet the result is never normalize/maximized. In fact I have tried entering Besweet command line options and they do not maximize the sound either.

The question I have is why? What must I do to get it to maximize the resulting sound?

[tebasuna51]

... hybrid gain and normalize to 100%. Yet the result is never normalize/maximized. In fact I have tried entering Besweet command line options and they do not maximize the sound either.

The question I have is why? What must I do to get it to maximize the resulting sound?

Please put the log file to analyze the problem.

"Normalize to 100%" seems an Advanced Azid Setting not applicable here. The decoder Azid is for ac3 input not for .mpa

The -ota( -hybridgain ) work fine and produce the max output (peak) without clips/distort.

If you want more volume (rms, but with some distort) you can try 'Boost Mode' methods.

[RedDwarf1]

Here is what I was using originally where it does no normalization/maximization. Checking the resulting Mp3 with a audio application which shows the waveform shows the right maximum as 0.3208 (-9.88dB) and left maximum as 0.3205 (-9.88dB).

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Humax\Audio.mpa -output D:\Humax\Audio.mp3 -logfile D:\Humax\Audio.log ) -azid( --maximize ) -ota( -d 0 -hybridgain ) -ssrc( --rate 48000 ) -lame( -v --vbr-new -V 4 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Humax\Audio.mpa
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Humax\Audio.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : VBR (NEW)
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 4
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 128
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:59:01:608] Conversion Completed !
[00:59:01:608] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 129kbps
[00:05:17:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Here is the settings used where it does do some normalization of the volume.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\Humax\Audio.mpa -output D:\Humax\Audio.mp3 -logfile D:\Humax\Audio.log ) -ota( -d 0 -hybridgain ) -ssrc( --rate 48000 ) -lame( -v --vbr-new -V 4 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\Humax\Audio.mpa
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\Humax\Audio.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : VBR (NEW)
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 4
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Min bitrate : 128
[00:00:00:000] | MP3 Max bitrate : 320
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Joint Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: No
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:59:01:608] Gain of 9.0dB had been asserted to file.
[00:59:01:608] Conversion Completed !
[00:59:01:608] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 129kbps
[00:05:51:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

I have always had -ota( -hybridgain ) set, it was set when there was no adjustment done to the audio volume on previous attempts.
I disabled the Normalize to 100% in the Azid settings and it is now better than it was. The volume is higher but it is still not at maximum according to another audio application which shows the Mp3 left maximum as 0.9074 (-0.84dB) and right maximum as 0.9066 (-0.85dB).

Does the volume never reach a maximum with BeSweet?

[tebasuna51]

@RedDwarf1
You are right, I can reproduce your result and:

- the -azid( --maximize ) seems disable the -ota parameter, then nothing is applied.

- the -ota( -hybridgain ) always preserve a margin (to avoid overflow when encoding) and only near 90% is reached.

- If you want a 100% max peak you can try PreGain: -ota( -g max )

[RedDwarf1]

Thanks tebasuna51, I have tried what you suggested and it has done it.
Maximum left 1.0000 (+0.00dB)
Maximum Right 1.0000 (+0.00dB)

It has increased the filesize by just over 1% compared to the hybridgain setting.

[EpheMeroN]

Using 0.22 RC1 on Vista and it's outputting an AC3>MP3 conversion to only 13 min. long when the original AC3 is 43 min. long. What is causing this?

[tebasuna51]

BeHappy On Vista
BeHappy or BeLight? :rolleyes:

Using 0.22 RC1 on Vista and it's outputting an AC3>MP3 conversion to only 13 min. long when the original AC3 is 43 min. long. What is causing this?

Please :logfile:

Verify the ac3 integrity with DelayCut.

[EpheMeroN]

Whoops. Meant to say BeLight!

I actually already ran my AC3 through DelayCut. I set it to Fix every time especially when I am doing HDTV captures to this laptop. It corrected I believe 6 crc errors.

[zlata]

I have just started to using BeLight 0.22RC1. After a few successful conversion trials, suddenly I started to get

"Access violation at address 0050F563 in module 'Belight.exe'. Read of address 00000030."

After I close the message window, when I want to switch encoding window 'WAV/PCM', the address becomes 50C26B. After that whenever I click a box 'view or edit command line, boost mode, etc' or I want to switch encoding window (AAC, AC2, MP2, ..., WAV/PCM) , I get the message with access violation address "4FDE49". If I say 'start processing', it is again "50F563".

I couldn't find a specific set of actions to lead this message. Sometimes I restart Belight, it's gone, sometimes still there.

I use WindowsXP SP2 De.

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Another problem using Belight is when I try to encode in AAC with engine "3GPP Reference" the process often stops(or never stops) wirhout giving any error or output file. When this happens the current track bar usually keeps showing %3 and 'total' bar 2.78%. Sometimes %0, once they reached about %6. I had also a few successful encodings with this engine.

I use the enhAacPlusEnc.exe file which came with the BeLight install package. I also tried the one from http://mirror05.x264.nl/dimzon/ and also from Fruk's enhAacPlusEncFrontEnd. I think there is no dependency to ct-libisomedia.dll file, but inserting this file did not help, anyway.

I had also rarely error warning for the same process. The log file with or without error (never ending process) looks the same

C:\Programme\BeLight\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\scream-in-night.wav -output D:\scream-in-night.m4a -logfile D:\scream-in-night.log ) -bsn( -exe enhAacPlusEnc.exe -cbr 48 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\scream-in-night.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\scream-in-night.m4a
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------

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it would be helpful if I could end the encoding process, in the situation above or when I want to cancel the operation in the mid of the encoding. Pressing the red button never worked for me. I always have to exit and restart Belight.
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Problem 3:

The output of the FAAC engine is always named as "-.aac" and located in the folder that I keep BeLight.exe. This does not change when I specify a different -output value from the command line.

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request: It would be useful if it was possible to clear a file by just pressing 'Del' instead of 'right click' + 'remove unchecked'. Not a big deal, though.

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The uninstall.exe coming with BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe seems to be a dummy one, just deleting itself. I still use BeLight ;)

[delacroixp]

Welcome to the forum... it's always nice to see new faces !


Another problem using Belight is when I try to encode in AAC with engine "3GPP Reference"...

I use the enhAacPlusEnc.exe file which came with the BeLight install package.
I also tried the one from Dimzon (http://mirror05.x264.nl/dimzon/) and also from Fruk's enhAacPlusEncFrontEnd.
I think there is no dependency to ct-libisomedia.dll file, but inserting this file did not help, anyway.

I never did have any joy with enhAacPlusEnc... try neroAacEnc.exe (http://www.nero.com/eng/nero-aac-codec.html) !


:):devil::D
Pascal

[Bluedan]

Yes, it has been a long time ago the author had some spare time left to spend into fixing things here or even put some effort on development of this nice application...
Sadly.

Personally, I would be satisfied if belight would ever become stable release v0.22 at all (with current feature set).

[DaniH]

Hi people, I need a little help with transcoding an 5.1 AC3 to 5.1 AAC... (with NeroDigital CLI)
I get an error 84: error configuring bsn...
I have BeSweet 1.5b31 which supposedly has the latest 0.24 bsn.dll
Copied neroaacenc.exe into besweet folder as required, but still getting this error.
CHecked nero audio plugins folder as well, there are no aac.dll or aacenc32.dll (using a late, 8.3.2.1 version).
What could be the problem?
Are there any alternatives to an AC3-AAC encode, retaining the 5.1 structure?
Tried BeHappy, but get a 2 channel AAC only...

[delacroixp]

Personally, I would be satisfied if belight would ever become stable release v0.22 at all (with current feature set).
Agreed, gr8 app... we all marvel at it's elegant simplicity... despite the imperfection of incompleteness !


:):devil::D
Pascal

[J-Wo]

How come you can't cancel an encode in progress?

[Adub]

Maybe the developer did not feel up to adding such a feature. Ask the author to add the feature if you are so inclined to do so. Also, you could just kill the process if it was really important to you.

[delacroixp]

Tthe latest version of Lame (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-CD-Rippers-Encoders/LAME-MP3-Encoder.shtml) (3.98.2 - Sep 08) works like a charm.


It's all good
:):devil::D
Pascal

[flapane]

Win7 needs to use XP SP3 compatibility check ;)

[cjaar]

does belight support dts files ?, i mean want convert dts file to AAC,(want to use belight so i can add pre/post gain to aac) how to do it ? nero aac files have very low volume :(

[Blue_MiSfit]

You can use eac3to for this task - it supports it natively, and with a single CLI command

[tebasuna51]

does belight support dts files ?
Nope, use eac3to, Foobar2000, Behappy, ...
nero aac files have very low volume
Nero aac files have the same volume than the source file.

[cjaar]

tebasuna51, or any1 else

ok is it possible to add gain to nero aac files ? found that converted aac files have low volume, at least when i play both ac3/dts and aac compared, its low. Now i dont hv the source file to reencode with eac3 adding db gian :( all i hv is aac 5.1, now is there any ways to add gain? tried aacgain, it doesnt like neor aac file, throws err!

googling, points me to aacgain, but that doesnt wrk with neroaac file :( any help apperciated.

-hanu

[tebasuna51]

Sorry, I don't know.
Maybe you have a problem with your player.

[b66pak]

@cjaar try this:

http://www.rarewares.org/aac-encoders.php#aacgain
_

[cjaar]

@b66pak, thats wat i tried aacgain renamed it as mp3gain and copied it mp3gain folder, but it errors, not a valid file or something...

googling aacgain + nero aac shows the same error, but coudnt find any way of fixing it :(

@tebasuna51, i hv iobox100 HD, and hv to crank the volume very high(30%) to hear it :(, but its not the case with say same source ac3, it sound good at even 15% of volume. so player is not an issue i guess.

I hv some file with dual audio ac3/aac so fine with ac3. but some file only aac, so looking for someway to add gain to it. :confused:

[b66pak]

try it with its GUI:

http://www.rarewares.org/aac-encoders.php#igain
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[tebasuna51]

...
@tebasuna51, i hv iobox100 HD, and hv to crank the volume very high(30%) to hear it :(, but its not the case with say same source ac3, it sound good at even 15% of volume. so player is not an issue i guess.

I hv some file with dual audio ac3/aac so fine with ac3. but some file only aac, so looking for someway to add gain to it. :confused:

Maybe is the same problem I have with Xtreamer player.

When play multichannel aac track these players make a downmix to stereo (or DPL in Xtreamer), because can't send multichannel aac to SPDIF output, with a very low volume.

Try to make the downmix yourself to a stereo AAC file and test now the volume.

You can use BeHappy with BassAudio decoder, downmix to stereo or DPL II at your choice, Normalize and use NeroAacEncoder to obtain the stereo track.

[robbynaish]

Hi to all,

im trying to conver an AC3 files in aac.

I copied enhAacPlusEnc.exe and enc_aacplus.dll in Belight directory

My Ac3 is

Audio
Formato : AC-3
Formato/Informazioni : Audio Coding 3
Durata : 2min
Modalità : Costante
BitRate : 640 Kbps
Canali : 6 canali
Posizione dei canali : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
SamplingRate : 48,0 KHz



I get this error

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.5 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 02/05/10 , 15:32:30.

E:\Utility\Audio\BeLight-0.22_RC1\BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\Check\Small\Test1.ac3 -output E:\Check\Small\Test1.aac -logfile E:\Check\Small\Test1.log ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 256 -mode 4 -high )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\Check\Small\Test1.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\Check\Small\Test1.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 02/05/10 , 15:32:30.


where i do mistake?

Many thanks

Ale

[tebasuna51]

Try select 5.1 in 'Numero di Canali'

[robbynaish]

Nothing :confused:


BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using WA_aac.dll v2.5 by Kurtnoise (kurtnoise@free.fr)

Logging start : 02/05/10 , 16:25:08.

E:\Utility\Audio\BeLight-0.22_RC1\BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\Check\Small\Test1.ac3 -output E:\Check\Small\Test1_2.aac -logfile E:\Check\Small\Test1_2.log ) -dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 256 -lc -6chnew )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\Check\Small\Test1.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\Check\Small\Test1_2.aac
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 02/05/10 , 16:25:08.


Thank

Ale

[tebasuna51]

...
-dimzon( -dllname WA_aac.dll -cbr 256 -lc -6chnew )
...

Now the parameters are correct, maybe you need the last bsn.dll (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/bsn_20070513.zip)

[robbynaish]

Now the parameters are correct, maybe you need the last bsn.dll (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/bsn_20070513.zip)

No way, i changed that dll (mine was of 2006 this one is of 2007), always the same error.:mad::confused:

What else can i check?

Thanks

Ale

[Taurus]

It's such a long time ago I fiddled around with BeLight.
But anyway,
did you make sure enc_aacplus.dll from an older version of Winamp is used?
If my memory serves me well version 5.5.1.7 should do the trick.
Dont know about newer ones.

Did you use the installer or the zip version of Belight 0.22 RC1?
Only the installer version contains all necessary files.
(You might need to add some extra encoders like Nero at the time...).
By the way, give BeHappy a chance if everything fails.

My install of Belight is working rocksteady for years, after a little tweaking around :p
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8652/belight.png (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/belight.png/)

Remember, some files are really outdated..

[robbynaish]

Hi,

this is the BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe that i have used

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7475/be1j.jpg



and this is my actual directory.... i really dont know what do do :confused:
:thanks:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4451/be2z.jpg


Ciao

Ale

[tebasuna51]

Your folder is exact to mine but my file 'enc_aacplus.dll' is older.

I think the problem is the enc_aacplus.dll, the last Winamp v5.57 CT libraries don't work also with BeHappy enc_aacPlus.exe (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1357157#post1357157) (equivalent to enhAacPlusEnc.exe here)

Kurtnoise is working on a new version of enc_aacPlus.exe (MeGUI, BeHappy) but I don't know if he want make a new version for enhAacPlusEnc.exe.

You can search a old enc_aacplus.dll or use NeroAacEnc.

[Taurus]

Just for fun,
I installed the BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe.
Dropped enc_aacplus.dll from latest Winamp install.
And guess what?
Everything is working.
Testclip ac3 5.1 file.
The only downside, I cant stop encoding with the stop button.
Had to kill Belight and stop Besweet via taskmanager.
The last beta works ok....
Foobar....ok
BeHappy...ok (What a mess to setup this GUI :confused:)

[tebasuna51]

Yes I can confirm, BeLight work with latest enc_aacplus.dll (but not BeHappy).

BTW my file (downloaded today in winamp557_full_emusic-7plus_es-us.exe) is:
18/12/2009 01:31 912.896 enc_aacplus.dll

and not the robbynaish file:
05/02/2010 15:24 517 KB enc_aacplus.dll

Maybe you need also msvcr90.dll (winamp folder)

[robbynaish]

Your folder is exact to mine but my file 'enc_aacplus.dll' is older.

I think the problem is the enc_aacplus.dll, the last Winamp v5.57 CT libraries don't work also with BeHappy enc_aacPlus.exe (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1357157#post1357157) (equivalent to enhAacPlusEnc.exe here)

Kurtnoise is working on a new version of enc_aacPlus.exe (MeGUI, BeHappy) but I don't know if he want make a new version for enhAacPlusEnc.exe.

You can search a old enc_aacplus.dll or use NeroAacEnc.

I found a version dated 21/11/2008.... again same error :mad::confused:

Really i tried to change nearly all :(

Thanks again

Ale

[Taurus]

@robbynaish:
From your first post
I copied enhAacPlusEnc.exe and enc_aacplus.dll in Belight directory

You dont have to copy any enhAacPlusEnc.exe to your BeLight folder!
It comes with the BeLight installer.
Where did you get i from?
Just copy enc_aacplus.dll from your winamp\plugin to Belight folder and you should be fine.
BTW, which OS are you using?
From the screenshots I guess WinXp.

Edit: I think i've found the bug.
It only happens when you use HE AAC HIGH Format
Just use LC AAC or HE AAC.
Or use Nero Encoder, it's free and better...
Or drop the gui and search for another one.
MeGui can do it
Foobar can do it
Eac3to can do it
and many more...

[zmaster]

I never used 0.22 RC1, wanted to try, but the links from the first post not working (BeLight 0.22 RC1 thereat is no longer live). Where can I find 0.22 RC1?
p/s: Google is not helpful.

[tebasuna51]

Here:
http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe
and add after:
http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/bsn_20070513.zip

[zmaster]

tebasuna51,
Thanks!

[L.H.V.F.]

Hi, Kurtnoise

Previously, I there was had success in audio conversion, with this program, and it is an computer AMD Athlon XP 1.100 MHz. I downloaded the installer in your site http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe (http://kurtnoise.free.fr/BeLight/BeLight-0.22_RC1.exe), and appropriate executable files (BeSplit and SoX). Now, I have also replace for the latest indicated library "bsn.dll". After install some packs .NET Framework, strangely, any audio dropped for the conversions tasks, stayed freezed in conversions, and became '0 bytes', leaving invalid the audio file. And another thing is that the time remaining, stayed freezed in "1 second". I have saw, in this thread, that is necessary to have instructions 'SSE2' to can use the program. I have tested with an Intel Dual Core, and the freezing noticed, have continued. Now I have an AMD Sempron socket AM3 with all SSE instructions (until SSE4a), and is AMD64 (supports both 32 and 64 bits), running an xp SP3 32 bits, and I get the same problem. Could you indicate an solution, or correct this to the program?

I thank reply.

[Masutin]

Bonjour! Merci pour la programme!
Could you please explain the following errors in 0.22 RC1.
1) When converting to AAC: "bsn.dll missing" when it is actually there.
2) When transcoding MP3s: "(command line) doesn't exist".
3) I used several profiles of Nero to transcode a few regular MP3 files to AAC but the resulting files were mere noise. AC3 converts to AAC fine.

[manolito]

From Videohelp.com comments:
Things go wrong if you drag and drop to open (as oppose to using the File Menu/Add Files). It will prevent the commands from updating when you set any options.

Basically, it's just a good idea to check the command line before clicking 'go' to make sure it jives with the options you really want -- which sort of defeats the purpose of a GUI.
This is basically my own experience with Belight.

I do use it frequently, and it is a pity that Kurtnoise obviously abandoned his baby...:(

But after exchanging a couple of files in the Belight folder, it does still work nicely.

If you get bsn errors it is a good idea to replace bsn.dll with the latest version 20070513. Also Aften should be replaced with the latest Kurtnoise version.

I cannot reproduce MP3 conversion problems. I did update lameenc.dll with a newer version, though.


@L.H.V.F.

I cannot believe that updating .Net Framework affects Belight in any way. Just make sure to not use Drag and Drop to add files to Belight.

Also SSE2 is not required for Belight. My machine has an old Celeron Coppermine CPU which supports MMX and SSE, but nothing above that. And Belight never gave me any problems related to CPU capabilities.


For converting files to AAC I found that the only reliable method for Belight is to use the Nero encoder. FAAC kind of works too, but the resulting files only play in VLC, not in MPC-HC. And using enc_aacplus.dll from WinAmp never worked for me.


Anyways, I uploaded a Zip file with a working Belight folder to Sendspace. Get it here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/y5wznz



Cheers
manolito

[L.H.V.F.]

@L.H.V.F.

I cannot believe that updating .Net Framework affects Belight in any way. Just make sure to not use Drag and Drop to add files to Belight.

Also SSE2 is not required for Belight. My machine has an old Celeron Coppermine CPU which supports MMX and SSE, but nothing above that. And Belight never gave me any problems related to CPU capabilities.


For converting files to AAC I found that the only reliable method for Belight is to use the Nero encoder. FAAC kind of works too, but the resulting files only play in VLC, not in MPC-HC. And using enc_aacplus.dll from WinAmp never worked for me.


Anyways, I uploaded a Zip file with a working Belight folder to Sendspace. Get it here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/y5wznz



Cheers
manolito

Hi, manolito

Thank you for indicate a solution for the problem noticed, and for have done upload an BeLight with complete .dlls and updated. I had forgotten the detail of drag and drop is the causes of the mentioned problem happen. I also have tested it with the BeLight Installer.

Edit: The file link repassed by the manolito has expired. The new file link, this including the original file of the manolito (.zip - with updated .dlls, the file configurations and the executables), the executable files, the installer of the BeLight 0.22 RC1 and instructions are shared at:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2P9tmmpSwF-VHRCRXN2T2RvUzA/edit (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2P9tmmpSwF-VHRCRXN2T2RvUzA/edit) (don't expires from this sharing site).

Edit [2]: After that I've recently noticed a "false-alert" (false-positive) from the Google Drive AV Engines, then I've decided once again to upload the shared files from an another reliable sharing site, and at the moment, I could only find the DropBox for while, as it has the life time of the shared files the sufficient for to share files in a Forum. Here is the new link, until Google Drive fix this issue of "false-positive virus":

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v510sri193ymp7z/BeLight-0.22_RC1_%28Installer_and_executable_files%29.zip?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/v510sri193ymp7z/BeLight-0.22_RC1_%28Installer_and_executable_files%29.zip?dl=0)

Note: I also did some checkings from my backups saved in another sharing site (this link that is not being shared here), and comparing the MD5SUMS, the result is that the files are identical, according to "Quick Hash GUI (http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickhash/files/?source=navbar)" software, then, there is not any motive for worry (the online Backup was never edited at that pĺace, and also in Google Drive folder). Only recently some Antivirus are accusing some infection, but a majority of Companies of Solutions of Antivirus at the site of the VirusTotal.com (https://www.virustotal.com/en/) have alerted that the file is reliable, and really, the file doesn't have any infection. I've never noticed any people that might have altered the file, as I also have checked with a copy on my pendrive, and I've not noticed that any people that possibly have accessed my e-mail, or altered the file at Google Drive (thus as I did some checks in the historic of accesses of my e-mail), since the initial upload doesn't have any date of alteration, or suspicious date generated in some alteration, as can be noticed in date that the file was uploaded to the Google Drive. Only recently the VirusTotal.com (https://www.virustotal.com/en/) site has some AV Engines creating some "false-positive" alert.

Thank you very much,
L.H.V.F. .