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tdent1138
16th January 2007, 16:17
ok....dumb question here, but what are people playing these movies with (software player that is). I have not really followed and want a quick catch up.

It appears PDVD 6.5 is the choice

2bigkings
16th January 2007, 16:33
hi,

please add some keys for european movies, because mi1-3 and kingkong seems not to work for me with US-Keys. I can't find the keys by my own, because windvd8 didn't work for me.

blizc
16th January 2007, 16:41
Interesting statement ... how do you know it is decrypted fine if it does not playback? What other method do you have to test this?

Because BackupHDDVD said so. :)
King Kong decrypted fine and I could play it albeit with artifacts and skipping. Quite a few movies have this issue it seems.

jkenzie
16th January 2007, 16:44
F7B68DE4C0AB2258C5F3FFC2F77068364F89C517=Swordfish (USA) |V|MM/DD/YY| 1ED0A7B490367B7D32B98067735F591E
E25A954A51925CE317F411FC899EB315819C67DE=TrainingDay (USA)|V|MM/DD/YY| F7AA391310BC319A614C7A79F0E117E2

These are the keys. It decrypts fine but can't playback cuz of the IME I think. Unless there is another explanation? These are Warner movies btw.


What does playback look like? If it plays with stuttering and audio issues, then it decrypted, and its an IME issue.
If you get a black screen, then the key is not valid, and you decrypted garbage.

blizc
16th January 2007, 17:09
It was black screen. Took your advice and redid it with a different set of keys and it works now. :D Thanks so much.

Updated keys:
F7B68DE4C0AB2258C5F3FFC2F77068364F89C517=Swordfish (USA) |V|MM/DD/YY| 71476D8707857210D29FECAED1F93411
E25A954A51925CE317F411FC899EB315819C67DE=TrainingDay (USA) |V|MM/DD/YY| 92867284D6029F7379E5552A9BA4FCB4

MrDVD
16th January 2007, 17:24
hi,

please add some keys for european movies, because mi1-3 and kingkong seems not to work for me with US-Keys. I can't find the keys by my own, because windvd8 didn't work for me.

Thx for this info - its bad for you but now we can be sure there are diff keys for each continent or maybe country.

honai
16th January 2007, 17:54
To verify this just check the EAN/UPC codes on the disk/case. The keys seem to be hashed from manufacturer IDs, too.

evdberg
16th January 2007, 17:55
Because BackupHDDVD said so. :)
King Kong decrypted fine and I could play it albeit with artifacts and skipping. Quite a few movies have this issue it seems.

BackupHDDVD does not check the result of decryption at all, so it can never say that decryption was succesfull. You only know that the data has been decrypted with a key, but you will not be sure if it was the correct key ... until you can playback properly.

blizc
16th January 2007, 18:06
That would be a cool feature to have though. I have updated the keys. Tested and working fine now. Thanks.

On another note:
I think the following is a very good example of a compatibility list. Maybe http://www.hdkeys.com could incorporate some of the features/ideas.

http://list.ps2hd.com/

honai
16th January 2007, 18:21
BackupHDDVD does not check the result of decryption at all, so it can never say that decryption was succesfull.

But doesn't a valid decrypted output contain some well-known characteristics, like patterns in the video stream that must be there to conform to the standard? So just check for those, if the key was wrong you won't find them.

evdberg
16th January 2007, 18:27
But doesn't a valid decrypted output contain some well-known characteristics, like patterns in the video stream that must be there to conform to the standard? So just check for those, if the key was wrong you won't find them.

That's the whole point: BackupHDDVD does not do this, so people can never claim that the decryption went fine while playback of the result fails ! That was the only thing I wanted to make clear.

Albion
16th January 2007, 19:30
For what its worth The Thing decrypts fine with BackupHDDVD and plays as normal through PowerDVD 7.1 Ultra Edition.I don't believe there is IME with The Thing.As going through exactly the same procedure with King Kong produces bad stuttering,the conclusion is that IME maybe the cause.

If it is'nt IME what is it?Or is the general consensus that IME is the cause.Others suggest a bug in PowerDVD.Well this clearly can't be the case.

MrDVD
17th January 2007, 01:11
Hallo, me still didnt got a HDDVD-ROM but i got some memdumps today and in fact for all tested EU HDDVDs you can find the needed keys easy if you search for "43 03 ?? ?? ?? 01 0B 02 30 4A ?? 05 ?? ?? ?? 06" where the ? are placeholders or simply search for "1 0B 02 30 4A" The pic from an US HDDVD me saw was nearly the same but the 02 was "01" ("1 0B 01 30 4A"). After this it looks like the TKs section starts and after some "00s" you can find the VK. If this works on all HDDVDs it think its also easy to build an little tool that search the key for you.

Me have no way to test this myself so i hope some ppl with an drive can confirm this.

regards

tonyp12
17th January 2007, 01:48
TitleSorter 1.3 is done.

Download here (http://home.comcast.net/~tony1717/TitleSorter.hta)

Just put in your same folder as keydb.cfg file.
(shortcut on desktop is OK)

You can cut & paste titles you see from this forum.
Just grab as much as you can, my program will not
add duplicate Sha1's.

It will tabulate (with spaces) so all text looks neat.

And it will save the new text file back when you press OK.

You should Start with this one:keydb.cfg v1.2 (http://home.comcast.net/~tony1717/keydb.cfg)
As other versions may have missing 'return key' at end of line
or to many at end of file.

You can cut and paste from your keydb file if you think you have additional keys, but run the inputs through my program.

Source code if you're interested in how javascript can do this, the file itself is the same if opened with notepad.

<html>
<head>
<title>TitleSorter 1.3</title>
<script>

function Readfile() {

var newkeystrings=[]
var buf = document.forms[0].keyinput.value + '\r\n'
newkeystrings = buf.replace(/\t/g, ' ').split('\n');

keys=new Array();
var fso=new ActiveXObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject");
var openkeys=fso.openTextFile("KEYDB.cfg",1);
var keystring=[];
var buf = openkeys.readall() + '\r\n';


var i = newkeystrings.length-1

do
{
var buf2= newkeystrings[i]
if (buf.indexOf(buf2.substring(0, 40))>=0 || buf2.charAt(40) != '=') //search for duplicates or missing = (on inputs)
{
newkeystrings.splice(i, 1)
}
i--
}
while (i > -1)


document.write('<pre>' + newkeystrings.join('<br>'));
document.write('<br>The titles(' + newkeystrings.length + ') above added. <br>');
keystring = buf.replace(/\t/g, ' ').split('\n'); // to get all individual lines

var j = keystring.length
for (var i=0; i< newkeystrings.length; i++)
{
keystring[j+i]=newkeystrings[i] // add new titles
}


var i = keystring.length-1
do
{
if (keystring[i].charAt(40) != '=') //search for missing =
{
keystring.splice(i, 1)
}
i--
}
while (i > -1)

for (var i=0; i<=(keystring.length-1); i++)
{

var j=keystring[i].indexOf('|')
if (j < 79) // search for the first '|'
{
var buf1=keystring[i].slice(0,j)
var buf2=keystring[i].slice(j)
var buf3=" ".slice(0,79-j); // tabbing
keystring[i]=buf1.concat(buf3, buf2)
}
else if (j > 79)
{
var buf1=keystring[i].slice(0,79)
var buf2=keystring[i].slice(j)
keystring[i]=buf1.concat(buf2)
}
}

function byname(a, b) {
if (a.substring(41) == b.substring(41)) { return(0); }
else if (a.substring(41) > b.substring(41)) { return(1); }
else if (a.substring(41) < b.substring(41)) { return(-1); }
}

keystring.sort(byname)

document.write('<b>' + keystring.join('<br>'));
openkeys.close()
alert ('Your new list have ' + keystring.length + ' titles, press OK to save and copy to clipboard')

fso = new ActiveXObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject");
fso.CreateTextFile('keydb.cfg');
a = fso.GetFile('keydb.cfg');
b = a.OpenAsTextStream(2,0); //ForWriting, TristateFalse
b.Write(keystring.join('\n') + '\n');
b.Close();

if( window.clipboardData && clipboardData.setData )
{
buf= keystring.join('\n') + '\n';
clipboardData.setData("text", buf);
}

// *** This will take Janvitos to his post if a new key is detected, change 999 to 0 to activate ***
if (newkeystrings.length > 999)
{
myRef = window.open('http://forum.doom9.org/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=933519','doom9',
'left=20,top=20,width=800,height=800,toolbar=0,resizable=1,scrollbars=1');
}
}

</script>
</head>
<body>
Cut & paste any new titles below, duplicates will be ignored <img src="http://www.dvdfllc.co.jp/img/l_hdgen.gif" align="middle"><br>

<FORM NAME="newkeys" ACTION="" onsubmit="Readfile()">
<TEXTAREA NAME=keyinput COLS=128 ROWS=6></TEXTAREA>
<P><INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Load original keydb, Merge and Sort">
</FORM>

</body>
</html>
Update to 1.3
It Paste the list to your clipboard
Optional 'go to website' if new keys are added (have to edit file and change 999 to 0 to activate)

MrDVD
17th January 2007, 02:16
For europe HDDVDs it looks als so that the 2nd "06 20 00 00 00 3F" is always one line above the VK.

He-Man
17th January 2007, 02:29
For europe HDDVDs it looks als so that the 2nd "06 20 00 00 00 3F" is always one line above the VK.
What exactly do you mean by "one line"? How many bytes are there between 3F and the beginning of the Volume Key?

MrDVD
17th January 2007, 02:39
What exactly do you mean by "one line"? How many bytes are there between 3F and the beginning of the Volume Key?

on the one screen me saw from an us hddvd it is "00 20 00 00 00 3F" and the format is like this:

all tested memdumps for euro:
06 20 00 00 00 3F 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx

where xx is the VK.

so maybe "00 20 00 00 00 3F 00 00 00 80 00 00 00" is in front of every us VK but me cant test this.

jokin
17th January 2007, 06:32
on the one screen me saw from an us hddvd it is "00 20 00 00 00 3F" and the format is like this:

all tested memdumps for euro:
06 20 00 00 00 3F 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx

where xx is the VK.

so maybe "00 20 00 00 00 3F 00 00 00 80 00 00 00" is in front of every us VK but me cant test this.

I can confirm that on the following titles a hex search for "00200000003F00000080000000" in WinHEX yields the location of the VUK.

This works for:

World Trade Center
Batman Begins
Superman Returns

woah!
17th January 2007, 06:45
I can confirm that on the following titles a hex search for "00200000003F00000080000000" in WinHEX yields the location of the VUK.

This works for:

World Trade Center
Batman Begins
Superman Returns


well that makes it so much easier that EVEN i found a key :)


B5DE266362701D2E7C36A5F389855F2B7DB6A17F=WaterWorld (USA) |V|0/13/2007| F57A56DC189FCEF13B3E12B4746D9A2D

jokin
17th January 2007, 08:50
I posted a VUK keyfinder script I made over here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120835

Eeknay
17th January 2007, 13:03
C0CE9F03CE1CACF82C248FF9D209C6F0D0228AF5=The Mummy Returns (USA) |V|MM/DD/YY| 097E4FA0C22FEC82B9E15D9EE960856A

2bigkings
17th January 2007, 20:43
4E8D74142E30E780B84905A62E70FBB58C3A0245=CSI NY (GER) |V|MM/DD/YY| C2B8E0A7E3384CC4C02F4AA5E396EF8B

this should be the volume key for CSI NY, but the mainfeature movie don't work really. (black screen all few seconds), all other evo files works great! (search via vukkeyfinder) Tested with PowerDVD Ultra (not 6.5)

0xdeadbeef
17th January 2007, 23:59
Any chance for a European (German) Kong Key?
Unfortunately for me, WinDVD HD doesn't play any HD-DVD (no comments or warnings) on my computer, so it's impossible to get the key myself.

He-Man
18th January 2007, 00:21
Any chance for a European (German) Kong Key?
Look in the first post in this topic, there's a key for King Kong (EUR).

Mistar Muffin
18th January 2007, 02:45
Found my first unreleased key:

CE6339246F34087AB355681DEB656D23DCD5BD86=Full Metal Jacket (USA) |V|MM/DD/YY| BA51432A2FDA74460E5E0C7967483DFB

Yay! I already put it on hdkeys.com too.

WPELLE
18th January 2007, 09:15
A4DE8E18B052514D86BFFEBA39D9A528615D39F7=The Interpreter (USA) |V|MM/DD/YY| 1EE849FA3CFA0B68CC2346685C736149

xyz987
18th January 2007, 11:39
Found my first unreleased key:

CE6339246F34087AB355681DEB656D23DCD5BD86=Full Metal Jacket (USA) |V|MM/DD/YY| BA51432A2FDA74460E5E0C7967483DFB

Yay! I already put it on hdkeys.com too.

2 keys at hdkeys are wrong: Swordfish and Training Day

blizc posted here these 2 wrong keys, and he corrected both keys on a later post. They were also updated at the list of this thread, but not in hdkeys.com

Mistar Muffin
18th January 2007, 15:40
2 keys at hdkeys are wrong: Swordfish and Training Day

blizc posted here these 2 wrong keys, and he corrected both keys on a later post. They were also updated at the list of this thread, but not in hdkeys.com

I dunno how I managed to miss that correction, thanks for the heads up. I updated both keys and added The Interpreter (USA).

He-Man
18th January 2007, 16:02
I dunno how I managed to miss that correction, thanks for the heads up. I updated both keys and added The Interpreter (USA).
There's several keys misisng here: http://www.hdkeys.com
Like 12 Monkeys
Apollo 13 (EUR)
CSI NY (GER)
Jarhead (EUR)
King Kong (EUR)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (EUR)
Mission: Impossible (EUR)
Mission: Impossible 2 (EUR)
Mission: Impossible 3 (Disc 1) (EUR)
Mission: Impossible 3 (Disc 2) (EUR)
Serenity (EUR)
Syriana
Syriana (EUR)
Terminator 3
The Italian Job

He-Man
18th January 2007, 20:59
Here's a quote from Muslix64 from another topic:By now, some people may wonder "Why did he put a date field in the keydb.cfg?"
Even if this field seems useless for now, it will be very usefull in the future. When revocation and, may be other countermesures will kick in, it will be usefull.
Movies manufatured in a certain time frame may have special features, we never know...

So I strongly suggest you to use the date field now to prepare for the future...
It seems nobody writes the date when they post keys here, I would suggest you all do this from now on.

evdberg
18th January 2007, 22:24
It seems nobody writes the date when they post keys here, I would suggest you all do this from now on.

He means that you should use the date of the disk. If there is a new batch of a specific movie of which the volume key has been in the open, it is well possible that it will have new keys.

He-Man
18th January 2007, 22:51
He means that you should use the date of the disk. If there is a new batch of a specific movie of which the volume key has been in the open, it is well possible that it will have new keys.
Yes of course the manufacturing date of the disk.

evdberg
18th January 2007, 23:38
He means that you should use the date of the disk. If there is a new batch of a specific movie of which the volume key has been in the open, it is well possible that it will have new keys.

I just realise how silly this is ... if the keys are different, the hash of the titlekeyfile will also be different ... so no need for the date !

Mistar Muffin
18th January 2007, 23:49
There's several keys misisng here: http://www.hdkeys.com
Like 12 Monkeys
Apollo 13 (EUR)
CSI NY (GER)
Jarhead (EUR)
King Kong (EUR)
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (EUR)
Mission: Impossible (EUR)
Mission: Impossible 2 (EUR)
Mission: Impossible 3 (Disc 1) (EUR)
Mission: Impossible 3 (Disc 2) (EUR)
Serenity (EUR)
Syriana
Syriana (EUR)
Terminator 3
The Italian Job

Thanks, I had been monitoring the thread for posts of keys but not really checked the main post. Mostly EUR/GER ones missing anyways. I'll add them ASAP. Thanks again.

He-Man
18th January 2007, 23:50
I just realise how silly this is ... if the keys are different, the hash of the titlekeyfile will also be different ... so no need for the date !
Like muslix64, I also dísagree with you, I don't think it's silly at all and I can't see any reason not to post the date.
It will be a great help to know the dates to keep track of when the discs changes, you can't see this from the hash value.
The dates are not about finding the corresponding keys in the database (the hash values will take care of that), but so you can see when and how often they change keys etc. Posting the dates can help a lot about follwoing the development and I can't seen any reason not to post the date, it shouldn't be that hard or time consuming.
You can't tell anythig about manufcturing date from the hash value and key alone.
If someone post the same title with a different hash and key, you might not know if it's because if it's another region of if it's a newer discs.
I think everyone should post both region/country/ and manufacturing date, it isn't that hard is it?

He-Man
18th January 2007, 23:57
Thanks, I had been monitoring the thread for posts of keys but not really checked the main post. Mostly EUR/GER ones missing anyways. I'll add them ASAP. Thanks again.
The first post in this topic has been updated on a daily basis with all keys posted in this topic + some not posted here some of them probably sent by PM to OP.

xyz987
19th January 2007, 00:10
I just realise how silly this is ... if the keys are different, the hash of the titlekeyfile will also be different ... so no need for the date !

You are wrong. Date is useful to determine if the key is failing because a future countermeasure or because another reason. The hash says you the files are different, but doesn't say you why the files are different.

Of course, country info at title has same reason: more information you have more power you have.

tonyp12
19th January 2007, 01:48
You've gotta be joking, surely?


If he get the movies just to play them and also just look for the keys to report them, there is nothing illegal being done.

If he use backuphddvd on these rented discs, when it's not legal.

Maybe you strike him becuase he is lazy and should do it him self?

drbanner70
19th January 2007, 01:55
Hello! drbanner70 here. I have been following along all of these forums and posts ever since Muslix64 first posted in December. I thought it was time I contributed. Here is some excerpts from a conversation with Kevin Collins from Microsoft, specifically, the division that handles the X BOX 360 HD DVD drive and HD DVD media. Some quotes:

[kevincol] Also, don't forget that HD DVD does NOT have region control, so you can get really good titles from Japan and Europe and play them on your HD DVD player in the US. For instance, The Rambo series is out from Studio Canal in Europe along with Basic Instinct. In the US, these are BD titles.

[AaronSchneiderman] How long will that last? Is regional coding coming?

[RonEpstein] Kevin, the studios really haven't ramped up efforts to put region control preventives in place?

[kevincol] Region coding has been discussed in the DVD Forum Steering Committe, but nothing is currently being done about it. It is in an investigation phase. There are 20 companines on the DVD Forum Steering committe and many oppose region coding. Also, there is no way to back retrofit the existing HD DVD players to enforce region coding. So, this is another advantage of HD DVD over the other formats.

And another excerpt that might come in handy for you guys about keys:

[Yumbo] With the apparent AACs workaround in the last month, will we be affected on certain titles being prevented with future playback? It's preventing me purchasing some titles.

[kevincol] AACS was designed from the beginning to be recoverable and renewable. While I have not seen an official response from AACS, they are still investigating this, it appears that a software player was able to get a key from a HD DVD title. This was not a hack of AACS, but a breach of a player. with software players, regardless if they are HD DVD or BD, AACS requires that they have their key renewed every 90 days. In this instance, if the software player was breached, the key will have to be renewed and that would be when the player is corrected. However, I don't have the specifics on this. Where ever there is a problem, AACS can recover and renew to keep moving forward. If anything, this is or will be a good test of those capabilities of AACS.

[Yumbo] so I can play my discs safely?

[kevincol] yes, you can play all your HD DVD discs safely

And a link to the entire conversation:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/011507htfchat.html

Very interesting read!

I own the Hulk and Fast Times At Ridgemont High on HD DVD. I am having a problem with the findkey.whs file finding the path to my AASCkeys folder even though I'm very sure I have the correct path. I will work with this and will continue to download other versions and updates until I can get this to work. I would like to contribute more.

Keep up the great work, guys!

blutach
19th January 2007, 02:50
@tonyp12

Please observe rules 3 and 4. Last warning. That sort of statement does not belong in the forum.

Regards

jokin
19th January 2007, 02:53
I own the Hulk and Fast Times At Ridgemont High on HD DVD. I am having a problem with the findkey.whs file finding the path to my AASCkeys folder even though I'm very sure I have the correct path. I will work with this and will continue to download other versions and updates until I can get this to work. I would like to contribute more.

Could you post your path? If there are spaces in it you will need some " around it.

The_ByteMaster
19th January 2007, 03:29
[kevincol] (...) with software players, regardless if they are HD DVD or BD, AACS requires that they have their key renewed every 90 days.

The way I read the AACS Interim Adopter Agreement (060215), it's 17 months from the moment the keys were made available, unless for some reason they need to be expired sooner. Then the adopter has 90 days for a good faith effort for proactive renewal, and then another 60 days grace period by AACS LA before new MKBs are distributed, then another 30 days grace period by vendors before new MKBs are implemented. See paragraph 10.2.

If it was 90 days, PowerDVD 6.5 wouldn't be working anymore.

This would mean the affected software players would continue working for another half a year or so?

2themax
19th January 2007, 04:27
5F44C8BE488409A5626BFE5E5B9F308C8819379F=Hulk |V|MM/DD/YY| 0D59807BBAEDF8388665D19328D07A76

EntityEX
19th January 2007, 04:30
072B2C711B6645BD2355D2968449AFCF18A17E7F=The Perfect Storm |V|MM/DD/YY| 436CB17097C97E498CB6A379186FB5D2
E737D1C2E151B9C06589FD7CFEECF2B681E08C3C=Friday Night Lights |V|MM/DD/YY| 77AA363D72FC89EB7FE0B1D775182239

My contribution to the cause ;)

guile
19th January 2007, 07:39
5F44C8BE488409A5626BFE5E5B9F308C8819379F=Hulk |V|MM/DD/YY| 0D59807BBAEDF8388665D19328D07A76

2 for 2!! Confirned working

cyber1
19th January 2007, 09:48
072B2C711B6645BD2355D2968449AFCF18A17E7F=The Perfect Storm |V|MM/DD/YY| 436CB17097C97E498CB6A379186FB5D2
E737D1C2E151B9C06589FD7CFEECF2B681E08C3C=Friday Night Lights |V|MM/DD/YY| 77AA363D72FC89EB7FE0B1D775182239

My contribution to the cause ;)

You must write if its US or EU version, because they have different keys.

evdberg
19th January 2007, 10:16
You are wrong. Date is useful to determine if the key is failing because a future countermeasure or because another reason. The hash says you the files are different, but doesn't say you why the files are different.

Of course, country info at title has same reason: more information you have more power you have.

I am not wrong. For key retrieval the date is not necessary. For us humans it may be handy.
If the hash of the titlekeyfile is different, it means that the titlekeys are different and thus most likely you also need a different volume unique key to decrypt it. That's why the key retrieval system couples volume unique keys to the hash of the titlekeyfile. As I said earlier, no date necessary for this process.

He-Man
19th January 2007, 10:43
You must write if its US or EU version, because they have different keys.
And please post the production date for all discs too as reccomended by BackupHDDVD's creator mslix64! Read bove.

KornX
20th January 2007, 19:16
do you use the "date created" field in explorer for the disc date?

KornX

He-Man
20th January 2007, 19:40
do you use the "date created" field in explorer for the disc date?

KornX
Yes that would be fine I think.
For example all files in at this Blu-Ray disc has the date 05/31/2006: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=120869