Guide: How to burn Double Layer Disks with PgcEdit

[setarip_old]

can I just make the ISO directly with IMGburn?Yes...

[r0lZ]

No problem for a DVD-5. For a DL DVD, you have to burn with ImgBurn, as all other programs have problems with the layer break, including when you burn an ISO.
Anyway, I recommend using ImgBurn also to burn to single layer DVDs.

[Dr.Khron]

Doh! I meant for a full-sized DL disk...
I know that you can make SL ISO's with a variety of programs.

I have sucessfully burned DL ISO's with Nero before. So you are saying that even if I make an ISO with ImgBurn, I still MUST burn that ISO to disk with ImgBurn?

I thought that an ISO meant that the burning program made no decisions... I guess not, I suppose using Nero to burn an DL ISO is rolling the dice...

[r0lZ]

Nero will burn the ISO, that's right. But the layer break will probably be at an illegal position, and most standalone players will hang at the middle of the movie.
And why do you want to use Nero, expensive and not good, when you can use the excellent ImgBurn for free?

[Dr.Khron]

Ok, so I've figured out how to use ImgBurn to build the DL ISO file, and to burn the DL DVD from the ISO. Its been working great.

So, my question is, what are the advantages of using the PCGEdit GUI to build and burn? Isn't it just using ImgBurn anyway?

[setarip_old]

So, my question is, what are the advantages of using the PCGEdit GUI to build and burn? Isn't it just using ImgBurn anyway?None - unless you have other needs or reasons to be using PGCEdit regarding your DVD "package"...

[r0lZ]

The burn function in PgcEdit was made before ImgBurn v2 was released, and at this time, it was the only working solution to create a compliant DL ISO from DVD-Video files. Since v2 of ImgBurn, there is only one advantage: the preview when selecting the layer break cell. As the next version of ImgBurn will have also a preview, I don't recommend any more to use PgcEdit to burn.

Also, note that PgcEdit uses mkisofs to create the ISO. Mkisofs is very good and well known, espacially by Linux users. Since ImgBurn v2 is recent, it is possible that some bugs remain in the creation of the ISO, although I don't think so.

[blutach]

I have created a lot of ISOs in ImgBurn (www.imgburn.com) and as part of the testing process, looked at them in ISOBuster. They all came out 100%. You can use ImgBurn (www.imgburn.com) with great confidence.

Regards

[Trriangle]

Greetings,

I suppose [] free tool to be a great one to try. It is small yet relaible and extremely easy to use
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[blutach]

Pure spam - you have been going round every forum with this.

@mpucoder - you may wish to delete his links

Regards

[r0lZ]

I agree, blu. Pure SPAM. Trriangle should be banned.

[blutach]

We've seen him on so many forums now. Both his posts have been struck. The next one will earn him a holiday.

Regards

[sambeet]

Hi..

I tried to burn DL DVDs using the combination as PcgEdit+ImgBurn+NEC ND-6650A(Firmware 1.23)+Verbatim(10pack) MKM-001+2.0x in Imgburn. Result 1..2..3...write error in 0-30%. 3 coasters. Thanks to Officemax, they refunded for the spindle.

On the otherhand I tried OfficeDepot(Ritek) brand discs, though the write are successful, there are 0.4% read error(reported by Nero speed) and all had problem in disk closing(I had to force close..loosing the DVD-ROM booktype). So far I have lots of coaster without a single success.

Does anybody have success with NEC ND-6650A + Verbatim(10pack)+@2.0x ?

I have updated the firmware to 1.62, should I try with a new pack of verbatim ?

Any other suggestions ??

Thanks, Sambeet

[Video Dude]

I had problems once when my hard drive was badly fragmented. If you have two hard drives, put the image/dvd files on the one that does not have the windows swap file. Verify that you have DMA enabled for the drive.

Set ImgBurn to 2.4x. (IIRC MKM-001 is +R DL media)

[filmfan9]

Hiya! I’m new to the forums so please be gentle! :)

I came across PgcEdit the other day and I think it’s a brilliant program! I love it! I have loads of trouble burning Double Layer DVDs but I’ve been able to do some back-ups of my original DVDs successfully with PgcEdit. Great stuff!

I am having some problems though making back-ups of my CSI SEASON 7 and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA SEASON 3 (UK Region 2, PAL) DVDs. I’m using a NEC +-RW ND-3530A DL Drive with the latest Firmware installed. I’m really new to PgcEdit so I don’t really know what I’m doing.

I opened up the ‘CSI SEASON 7 DISC 2’ VIDEO_TS folder on my PC in PgcEdit and it scans for BOVs. Do I have to do anything if it finds any buttons or not because I don’t know what to do? At the moment I’m just closing the window if it finds any buttons or not. I then select the ‘Burn’ option and it then shows the page with the Layer Breaks. I just select the one that PgcEdit has automatically selected because I figured that would probably be the best layer break position. It then successfully creates the ISO image and burns it at 2.4x speed using ImgBurn. The burned DVD plays in my standalone Philips DVP 630 DVD player but it only plays the first 3 episodes on the disc. When I select the fourth episode from the menu the screen goes black and the discs freezes. It seems to me as if it can’t find the last episode. The same happens with my BATTLESTAR GALACTICA SEASON 3 DVDs, it doesn’t play the last episode on the burned DVDs either. It plays the first 3 episodes perfectly, it just doesn’t play the last episode. I’ve spent days looking through all the forums I can find and I can’t find anyone who’s had the same problem as me. If anyone could help me please I’d be extremely grateful as I don’t know what to do. I’m totally stuck! Please help me! Thanks VERY much in advance! :)

Cheers, Paul. :thanks:

[blutach]

Welcome to Doom9 Paul.

It's probably easier to simply use ImgBurn (www.imgburn.com) directly in build mode to burn. It eliminates the need to create an ISO.

Do ensure you are only using Verbatim +R DL media. 2.4x seems to be the best.

Regards

[r0lZ]

2.4x seems to be the best.Not sure. According to DVDInfo, I have better results at 4x, with Verbatim+Rs 16x certified and a NEC ND-3520.

What sounds strange in the problem reported by Paul is that it's systematically the last episode that cannot be accessed. Usually, with bad burns, the problems occur in the middle of a playback, not when the player must access another file.

[blutach]

I agree - problems usually occur at the edge. We're not sure of what media it is, but perhaps the laser of the player needs a clean. Perhaps filmfan9 can provide an ImgBurn (www.imgburn.com) log (see help menu). Also, verifying the write would be helpful.

Are there DL's rated at 16X? I haven't seen any (I'm still on the MKM-001s :))

Regards

[r0lZ]

Are there DL's rated at 16X? I haven't seen any (I'm still on the MKM-001s :))No, I was referring to SLs. My Verbatim+R DLs are 2.4x certified, but can be burned at 4x without problem. And, with my NEC, the quality is equivalent in both cases.

[blutach]

Aaah, I see - over at ImgBurn Forum (http://forum.imgburn.com/), we tend to advise not to burn the MKM-001s faster than 2.4x. Not to worry :)

Regards

[filmfan9]

Welcome to Doom9 Paul.

It's probably easier to simply use ImgBurn (www.imgburn.com) directly in build mode to burn. It eliminates the need to create an ISO.

Do ensure you are only using Verbatim +R DL media. 2.4x seems to be the best.

Regards

Thanks, blutach! It's great to be here!

And thank you VERY much for your help! I'm very grateful!

I've just been to the ImgBurn site and read a guide on how to burn in Build mode. I've just tried it and when the burn got to 51% this is the message that came up:


I/O Error!

Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD +-RW ND 3530A 104C (D:) (ATA)

ScsiStatus: 0x02
Interpretation: Check Condition

CDB: 2A 00 00 20 7F C0 00 00 20 00
Interpretation: Write (10)-Sectors: 2129856-2129887

Sense Area: 70 00 03 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00
Interpretation: No Seek Complete

'Retry' 'Cancel'


I don't what this means? Does anyone know what could be causing this error message please?

I've tried using 'Arita +R DL 2.4x', 'Mirror +R DL 2.4x' and 'RiDisc +R DL 2.4x' and I've burned them all at 2.4x speed. I have been able to back-up a few of my DVDs using the Arita and Mirror DVDs but I have got some Verbatim +R 2.4x on order which should hopefully come tomorrow, so I can try them and see if they work.

I've used loads of programs to try and back-up my DVDs using Double Layer discs: Nero (which works on some), CloneDVD2 (which works on some), DVDFab Platinum (which works on some), CopyToDVD (which doesn't work at all). I have tried using ImgBurn in build mode but I haven't been able to get it to work. The message above is what's just happened when I tried to burn my BATTLESTAR GALACTICA SEASON 3 DISC 5 DVD.

Any help anyone can give would be very much appreciated!

Cheers, Paul.

[filmfan9]

Not sure. According to DVDInfo, I have better results at 4x, with Verbatim+Rs 16x certified and a NEC ND-3520.

What sounds strange in the problem reported by Paul is that it's systematically the last episode that cannot be accessed. Usually, with bad burns, the problems occur in the middle of a playback, not when the player must access another file.

Hiya! :)

Yeah, when I used the brill PgcEdit the last episode wouldn't play. But it also happened when I tried to burn the DVD using CloneDVD. The disc burned fine and played in my standalone player but again, it wouldn't play the last episode. :confused:

I'm totally stumped! :)

[filmfan9]

I agree - problems usually occur at the edge. We're not sure of what media it is, but perhaps the laser of the player needs a clean. Perhaps filmfan9 can provide an ImgBurn (www.imgburn.com) log (see help menu). Also, verifying the write would be helpful.

Are there DL's rated at 16X? I haven't seen any (I'm still on the MKM-001s :))

Regards

Hi again! :)

I've been using Arita +R DL 2.4x and Mirror +R DL 2.4x discs. I've just remembered I did buy some of those really epensive Verbatim Photo Printable +R DL 2.4x discs (25 Pack) and I burned 2 of them using Nero I think it was. They did burn and play ok but on the burn side there were lines in the dye that looked as if it had missed some of the disc as it burned it. I'm just guessing that because I don't know what it really means if there are lines in the dye side of the disc?

I did think that the laser might be dirty or something so I did order a DVD lens cleaner, which I'm hoping will come tomorrow with the Verbatim +R DLs I ordered.

I'll have a look at the help file and get a log from ImgBurn and post it on here!

Thanks again guys for all your help! :)

[r0lZ]

Arita and RiDisc media are pure crap. I don't know Mirror, but it's probably the same thing. So, I guess that the problem is related only to the bad quality of the media.

Don't make the error I did. I am currently trying to recover many DVDs I've burned some years ago, and that are not readable any more. Burning on cheap media (especially on DLs) is a waste of money and time!

[blutach]

The other thing is your burner is getting quite old. Dunno how many burns it has, but it may have seen better days. The firmware, while current, hasn't been updated in 2 years and plenty of new media has appeared in that time. If, after trying the Verbatims (which almost certainly will work), you still are not getting the desired results, you might want to investigate a new burner.

http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/gl2.gif

Regards

[filmfan9]

Arita and RiDisc media are pure crap. I don't know Mirror, but it's probably the same thing. So, I guess that the problem is related only to the bad quality of the media.

Don't make the error I did. I am currently trying to recover many DVDs I've burned some years ago, and that are not readable any more. Burning on cheap media (especially on DLs) is a waste of money and time!


Yeah, I've read a lot of places lately that the best DL media are Verbatim +R, that's why I ordered some to try in case it was the media I was using. I'll let you know if they work or not! :)

[filmfan9]

The other thing is your burner is getting quite old. Dunno how many burns it has, but it may have seen better days. The firmware, while current, hasn't been updated in 2 years and plenty of new media has appeared in that time. If, after trying the Verbatims (which almost certainly will work), you still are not getting the desired results, you might want to investigate a new burner.

http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/gl2.gif

Regards

My PC is about 2 years old. I'm not sure if that's old in PC life terms, but the burner has had a lot of use so maybe it is on the way out. Yeah, I'll clean the lens and try the Verbatims and if that doesn't do the job, I'll have a look into getting a new burner.

I found the ImgBurn log for the DVD I was burning earlier. I don't know of it help find out the problem. Here it is:

; //****************************************\\
; ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 - Log
; Monday, 17 September 2007, 11:13:17
; \\****************************************//
;
;
I 09:43:54 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 09:43:54 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 09:43:54 Total Physical Memory: 522,224 KB - Available: 301,524 KB
I 09:43:54 Initialising SPTI...
I 09:43:54 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 09:43:54 Found 1 DVD±RW and 1 Unknown!
I 09:44:18 Operation Started!
I 09:44:18 Building Image Tree...
I 09:44:18 Checking Directory Depth...
I 09:44:18 Calculating Totals...
I 09:44:18 Preparing Image...
I 09:44:59 Using Layer Break LBA: 2083287 -> 2083296 (VTS_01, PGC: 5, Chapter: 1, Cell: 1, Vob/Cell ID: 13/1, Time: 00:00:00, SPLIP: No)
I 09:44:59 Checking Path Length...
I 09:44:59 Image Size: 8,529,805,312 bytes
I 09:44:59 Image Sectors: 4,164,944
I 09:44:59 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:41
I 09:45:18 Operation Started!
I 09:45:18 Building Image Tree...
I 09:45:27 Checking Directory Depth...
I 09:45:27 Calculating Totals...
I 09:45:27 Preparing Image...
I 09:45:32 Using Layer Break LBA: 2083287 -> 2083296 (VTS_01, PGC: 5, Chapter: 1, Cell: 1, Vob/Cell ID: 13/1, Time: 00:00:00, SPLIP: No)
I 09:45:32 Checking Path Length...
I 09:45:32 Image Size: 8,529,805,312 bytes
I 09:45:32 Image Sectors: 4,164,944
I 09:45:37 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:18
I 09:45:37 Operation Started!
I 09:45:37 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 09:45:37 Source File Sectors: 4,164,944 (MODE1/2048)
I 09:45:37 Source File Size: 8,529,805,312 bytes
I 09:45:37 Source File Volume Identifier: BATTLESTAR_GALACTICA_S3_DISC_5
I 09:45:37 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.3.2.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
I 09:45:37 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 09:45:37 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 09:45:37 Destination Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD+-RW ND-3530A 104C (D:) (ATA)
I 09:45:37 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-02) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 09:45:37 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 09:45:37 Write Mode: DVD
I 09:45:37 Write Type: DAO
I 09:45:37 Write Speed: 2.4x
I 09:45:37 Link Size: Auto
I 09:45:37 Test Mode: No
I 09:45:37 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 09:45:37 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,083,296
I 09:45:37 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary, 'SPLIP' Flag Not Set
I 09:45:58 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
I 09:46:02 Writing LeadIn...
I 09:46:04 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 4164943)
I 09:46:04 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2083295)
I 10:12:49 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2083296 - 4164943)
W 10:14:12 Failed to Write Sectors 2129856 - 2129887 - No Seek Complete
W 10:14:12 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 10:14:12 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 10:14:12 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 10:14:12 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 10:14:12 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 10:14:12 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 10:14:12 Retrying (4 of 20)...
W 10:14:12 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 10:14:12 Retrying (5 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (6 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (7 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (8 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (9 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (10 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (11 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (13 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (15 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (16 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (17 of 20)...
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W 10:14:12 Retrying (20 of 20)...
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W 11:12:52 Retrying (21)...
W 11:12:52 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 11:12:53 Retrying (22)...
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W 11:12:54 Retrying (23)...
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W 11:12:54 Retrying (24)...
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W 11:12:56 Retrying (28)...
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W 11:12:57 Retrying (30)...
W 11:12:57 Retry Failed - Write Error
W 11:12:57 Retrying (31)...
W 11:12:57 Retry Failed - Write Error
E 11:12:58 Failed to Write Sectors 2129856 - 2129887 - No Seek Complete
I 11:12:58 Synchronising Cache...
I 11:12:59 Closing Track...
E 11:13:06 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Write Error
I 11:13:06 Closing Track (Last Attempt!)...
E 11:13:06 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Write Error
I 11:13:06 Finalising Disc...
E 11:13:07 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error - Incomplete Track in Session
I 11:13:07 Finalising Disc (Last Attempt!)...
E 11:13:07 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Session Fixation Error - Incomplete Track in Session
E 11:13:07 Failed to Write Image!
E 11:13:07 Operation Failed! - Duration: 01:27:29
I 11:13:07 Average Write Rate: 816 KB/s (0.6x) - Maximum Write Rate: 4,907 KB/s (3.5x)
I 11:13:17 Close Request Acknowledged
I 11:13:17 Closing Down...
I 11:13:17 Shutting down SPTI...
I 11:13:17 ImgBurn closed!


Thanks for the help! :thanks:

[r0lZ]

Obviously, the write errors are the cause of the problem.

[blutach]

And I'd blame the media first up. Let's how those Verbs go filmfan.

Regards

[filmfan9]

Obviously, the write errors are the cause of the problem.

And I'd blame the media first up. Let's how those Verbs go filmfan.

Regards

Woo-hoo! It works! :D

I ran the lens cleaner through my DVD burner and then burned 'Battlestar Galactica Season 3 Disc 5' again using Verbatim +R DL 2.4x and it worked perfectly!!! :D

It played all episodes and worked spot-on! I thought I'd just try using the RiDisc ones again as I have some left. It burned okay but on the dye side there are all lines on it so I don't know if it will play properly or whether it'll jump all over the place.

Anyway, I'll be stocking up and only using Verbatim +R DLs from now on!

Thanks again guys VERY MUCH for all your help. I really am VERY grateful! :D

:thanks:

Cheers, Paul. :D