Nero Vision 3.0.1.27 Express recode 2.2.6.9 is out [Archive] - Page 2

LiFe

23rd February 2005, 02:44

OT: Anybody ever used pivot tables in Excel before?

The company I work for live off them - they're genious (Pivot Tables, not the company).

Whenever you hear *Bang-Bang*Bang-Bang*Bang-Bang* running for 30 seconds, you know someone's doing a pivot table and trying to use only select fields. Excel makes you manually select/deselect each field, so you do a really fast <space> <down arrow> combination that sounds like a machine gun.

It's very funny : )

neo_anderson

23rd February 2005, 04:07

has the low volume in encoded movies bug been fixed yet?

LiFe

23rd February 2005, 05:40

Originally posted by neo_anderson
has the low volume in encoded movies bug been fixed yet?

Converting AC3 to AAC audio should result in low volume. It's not a bug.

AC3 has a highly extended dynamic range, and then implements Dialogue Normalisation and DRC to play back this huge dynamic range in environments (such as the home) where that range is not supported or desirable.

AAC does none of these things.

Either Recode needs to support DRC, Dialogue Normalisation and Peak Normalisation (not a bug, just missing features), or you need to decode your audio using proper software first and then frame serve it to Recode (only the previous version of recode had a multichannel bug I hope has been fixed).

Selur

23rd February 2005, 08:50

no real changes :(

daveidmx

23rd February 2005, 19:03

Also, has anyone else noticed:

The Nero Digital shell item property page makes the properties dialogue be oversized, with a chunk of grey nothingness off on the bottom and right?

Is Ahead/Nero aware of this?

daveidmx

23rd February 2005, 20:21

Originally posted by LiFe
Converting AC3 to AAC audio should result in low volume. It's not a bug.

@LiFe
That's true, but may I rephrase the concern a bit? As I understand it, the AC3->AAC output from recode is "excessively" low, even when one considers the factors present in the conversion.

For example, I've just produced a 1kHz -1dBFS test tone. On a 105dB mix, this should play at 104dB in a calibrated theater. In other words, this is as loud as it gets. Movies don't really get this loud. Dialogue typically peaks at -27dBFS.

From this test tone I've produced several files, a few of which are:

1. A calibrated AC3 without dialogue normaliztion (-31dB = "no correction")
2. An M4A using BSN with no dialogue norm or DRC. Therefore 0dBFS in = 0dbFS out.
3. An MP4 using Nero Recode.

I then decoded the two AACs via a common route and measured them. The M4A from BSN shows the same (+/- 0.5dB) levels as the input file. The level of the MP4 from Nero Recode, depending on encoding settings, ranged from -18dBFS to -14dBFS, or about 12-15 dB too quiet!

Of course its easy to speculate as to the reason for this. Perhaps Recode's AC3 decoder's DRC compresses the levels downward instead of upward to centered. Who can say? Whatever the case may be, the result is MP4s with ridiculously low sound levels that are almost impossible to hear on my laptop.

LiFe

24th February 2005, 05:39

Originally posted by daveidmx
I then decoded the two AACs via a common route and measured them. The M4A from BSN shows the same (+/- 0.5dB) levels as the input file. The level of the MP4 from Nero Recode, depending on encoding settings, ranged from -18dBFS to -14dBFS, or about 12-15 dB too quiet!

Recode doesn't do this for 2 channel or 5.1 channel wavs does it? I decode all my AC3 with correct Norm, DRC with Azid then frameserve to recode.

And yes, I know about the frameserve 5.1 ch bug.

Thanks.

neo_anderson

26th February 2005, 06:41

guys, how do ya "frameserve" ac3 to recode, i mean, i follow the doom9 guide and in there there is no way to include any external audio?

LiFe

26th February 2005, 14:14

You don't.

You decode it to wavs (and if it goes over 2GB you use 6 of them : ), then you use AviSynth to frame serve the MPEG-2 with Audio.

LiFe.

McoreD

27th February 2005, 04:58

Originally posted by Selur
no real changes :(

Finally some great improvements !

With Nero 6.6.0.8 and Vision Express 3.1.0.0 installed now I can :

2-pass AVC Encode no problem
Correct Audio Level for all the MP4 files encoded using Recode in version 3.1

Cheers and Congrats,
McoreD

kadajawi

27th February 2005, 05:28

I've downloaded and installed the latest demo version of the Nero Package 2, I also have the updated to the latest Nero 6 Reloaded version.

When I start up Nero Recode 2 I get to the normal start up screen and can choose from 5 options. But no matter on which one I click, I'll get:
Nero Recode 2 has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

AppName: recode.exe AppVer: 2.2.6.11 ModName: nendgui.dll
ModVer: 3.0.0.5 Offset: 00035769

Something seems to have gone wrong. Windows XP SP2, latest updates (except the .NET Framework 1.1 SP1). Maybe my Windows is somehow... not in best condition tho, but I haven't encountered a problem lately (except that the .NET SP1 crashes while updating).

Hope this is the right thread/place to ask :)

Hmm... now Nero ShowTime, after running in background with a DVD (was in the menu) crashed.
AppName: showtime.exe AppVer: 2.0.0.22 ModName: nevideo.ax
ModVer: 3.0.0.5 Offset: 0006eb3b
Strange.

Ps: Yes, my system is overclocked, but no, it ran years with Folding@Home and encoding XviD without a problem.

***edit***
Returned to original fsb and clock speed, still crashes.

neo_anderson

27th February 2005, 16:43

Originally posted by McoreD
Correct Audio Level for all the MP4 files encoded using Recode in version 3.1

McoreD

Hey, is this really true, i mean, do u get correct volume level for the he-aac audio encoded with nerodigital video in recode 2,for dvd to nerodigital avc conversion, please confirm ASAP!

SkoalWintergreen

27th February 2005, 22:18

I get the same error no matter what option I choose, but I don't even get the NeroDigital options to pop up. I just have the 3 DVD choices and that's it. I have both new versions installed, and no matter what choice I make in Recode it gives me the exact same error described as above. I am also running SP2 with all the latest updates.

kadajawi

27th February 2005, 22:36

Had the problem aswell... seems to be a problem with licenses. Maybe try to install with an other license key (or none? That should at least give you the demo).

McoreD

28th February 2005, 00:05

Originally posted by neo_anderson
Hey, is this really true, i mean, do u get correct volume level for the he-aac audio encoded with nerodigital video in recode 2,for dvd to nerodigital avc conversion, please confirm ASAP!

Just realized it is *only* for HE-AAC 2 Channels. :(
Nero Digital 6 Channels still have low audio.

Cheers,
McoreD

dvd_maniac

28th February 2005, 17:55

Just realized it is *only* for HE-AAC 2 Channels. Nero Digital 6 Channels still have low audio

Little confused? Does this mean low audio when encoding 6 channel AC3 and normal when encoding 2 channel AC3?

SeeMoreDigital

8th March 2005, 19:18

I've been trying to feed the latest version of Recode2 with high-def Mpeg2/AC3 1080i and 720p Mpeg2 sources... but for some reason they will not load :eek:

Is it just me. Or is something b0rked?

Cheers

Sharktooth

8th March 2005, 19:25

I'm still pulling hair from my head coz recode is "laughing" at me by doing what he wants...
I said NO RESIZING!!!... "he" resized and letterboxed...

napalm

8th March 2005, 20:10

Originally posted by SkoalWintergreen
I get the same error no matter what option I choose, but I don't even get the NeroDigital options to pop up. I just have the 3 DVD choices and that's it. I have both new versions installed, and no matter what choice I make in Recode it gives me the exact same error described as above. I am also running SP2 with all the latest updates.

with XP SP2, Nero 6.6.0.8 and NVE 3.1.0.0, When I launch Recode, I have the 3 dvd options, but when I click any of them, the program shuts down with no error msgs at all.

yaz

9th March 2005, 13:23

yep ... there's sg really strange about these updates. nbr installs fine, saying '... found an installed version ... updating ...' but the new version pops up as demo :confused: and no way of registration. when i make a clean install, after the registration i got 2 instances in the start menue, one is still the demo and the other is an 'unidentified' nbr (no ultra, enterprise, whatever), the link from the table shows still the demo :confused: :confused:
and this version makes stupid errors generating faulty burns :mad: ... so sg is really messed up w/this ver ... after all, i haven't dared to update nve ... maybe i drop it all :(

the bests
y

napalm

11th March 2005, 16:20

Fix for this issue: Removing your serial key from startsmart stops this crash from occuring, you also get the extra options in recode back. weird.

dvd_maniac

11th March 2005, 23:16

Myabe I am just getting lucky. But whenever I re-install Nero or redo my system, I put my serials in NVE and "NOT" NERO Burning Rom. Everytime I put it into the burning rom I have problems like no Nero Digital in Recode. But when I put the serials in through NVE. about 10-12 times in a row "No issues". You will still see demo in the start menu until you open the burning rom for the first time.

JohnV

14th March 2005, 16:40

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
I've been trying to feed the latest version of Recode2 with high-def Mpeg2/AC3 1080i and 720p Mpeg2 sources... but for some reason they will not load :eek:

Is it just me. Or is something b0rked?

Cheers
I had similar problem. If you have ffdshow's Raw video decoding support enabled, try disabling it.
I had also intervideo's ivivideo.ax messing with Recode's filter chain, but seems disabling ffdshow's Raw video solved this issue also.

SeeMoreDigital

14th March 2005, 18:05

Thanks JohnV,

I performed a search for Intervideo's ivivideo.ax and it would seem I don't have this installed

I install FFdshow a couple of weeks ago when I wanted to test its 6Ch AAC to AC3 transcoder (which worked well), but de-installed it soon after!

I wonder if there are still some remnants of FFdshow clashing with Recode or if some priorities have changed....

Do you have any further suggestions? If it's happening to me, it may be happening to others too!

Cheers

JohnV

14th March 2005, 21:07

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Thanks JohnV,

I performed a search for Intervideo's ivivideo.ax and it would seem I don't have this installed

I install FFdshow a couple of weeks ago when I wanted to test its 6Ch AAC to AC3 transcoder (which worked well), but de-installed it soon after!

I wonder if there are still some remnants of FFdshow clashing with Recode or if some priorities have changed....

Do you have any further suggestions? If it's happening to me, it may be happening to others too!

Cheers
So what exactly happens? Does Recode lock for you in the analysis phase after you click import files, or it just does nothing?

SeeMoreDigital

14th March 2005, 21:29

Originally posted by JohnV
So what exactly happens? Does Recode lock for you in the analysis phase after you click import files, or it just does nothing? When I import say, an 1920x1088 Mpeg2 source... all I get to see is this. Which stalls Recode2: -

http://img121.exs.cx/img121/5687/recode2hdlockup0vm.gif

....And when I try and "exit" Recode2. I get this: -

http://img105.exs.cx/img105/5049/notresponding3tn.gif

The weird thing is... I can import the same source into NeroVision Express with no problems at all :eek:

Hope this help you?

Cheers

JohnV

14th March 2005, 21:53

Hmm it may be some filter conflict.. What kind of filter chain you have in graphedit when you render that file?

SeeMoreDigital

14th March 2005, 23:07

Originally posted by JohnV
Hmm it may be some filter conflict.. What kind of filter chain you have in graphedit when you render that file? You've cracked it JohnV :)

When I ran the source thru' GraphEdit I got this: -

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/922/grapheditfilterchain3el.gif

After removing the following new "DivX Media Filter"... Recode2 works fine again: -

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/8544/divxmediaaxfilter4me.gif

So here's another filter to add to your "incompatible list" ;)

Many thanks JohnV

JohnV

14th March 2005, 23:24

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Many thanks JohnV
Yeah, but we need to fix this asap...

tedgo

23rd March 2005, 14:29

I have some remarks about NeroShowTime 2.0.0.22 and NeroRecode 2.2.6.11.

About NeroShowTime 2.0.0.22:
1.) I can't set NeroShowTime to "Hide Subtitles". If its set to, the subtitles are still shown. What's wrong?

2.) NeroRecode saves the subs as vobsubs, doesn't it?
Some vobsubs have different colours for different actors, but NeroShowTime shows all subs in greyscale, while other players can show the coloured subs.

3.) NeroRecode terms the audio- and/or subtitletracks like "English - Director's Comment" or "English 5.1". But NeroShowTime just shows "English" (all other players show the full name, but can't switch between the tracks when playing through NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder).
Why the hell can't NeroShowTime support NeroRecode's "cosmetic" features, when its forced to be the only player that handles NeroDigital's full features?
Or do i have to set some hidden settings?

4.) Are there any skins available for NeroShowTime? The two skins shipped with it are very ugly and the buttons aren't arranged really user-friendly.

About NeroRecode 2.2.6.11:
1.) I prefer to do anamorphic encoding with NeroDigital ASP by uncheck the "letterbox"-option. But NeroRecode sets a wrong PAR on my files: it sets a generic 16:9 PAR (64:45) instead of the correct 16:9 PAL-PAR (16:11), although the VOBs are recognised as 16:9 PAL.
Is it possible to fix this?

2.) I sometimes want to have only the second subtitle, cos the first is always enabled in other players than NeroShowTime. But when i set the first subtitle to "None", there is no option to add just a second one. Is it possible to add a "blank" subtitle as first subtitle?

I know these are minor "remarks" or "feature requests", but i hope they can be fixed. Generally the wrong PAR (btw. XviD sets the correct PAR, so i hope NeroDigital will do too ;) )
And i know that mpegmodifier can correct the PAR, but only in avi and i have problems by remuxing the avi in the mp4.

EDIT:
Oops, i now discovered the "Nero recode feature wish list"-thread.
I think i should have added my feature requests (correct PAR, blank subtitle) in that thread...
Sorry ;)

SeeMoreDigital

23rd March 2005, 15:01

Originally posted by tedgo
About NeroShowTime 2.0.0.22:
1.) I can't set NeroShowTime to "Hide Subtitles". If its set to, the subtitles are still shown. What's wrong? Works fine for me

Originally posted by tedgo
2.) NeroRecode saves the subs as vobsubs, doesn't it?
Some vobsubs have different colours for different actors, but NeroShowTime shows all subs in greyscale, while other players can show the coloured subs. Can't help you with this one!

Originally posted by tedgo
3.) NeroRecode terms the audio- and/or subtitletracks like "English - Director's Comment" or "English 5.1". But NeroShowTime just shows "English" (all other players show the full name, but can't switch between the tracks when playing through NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder).
Why the hell can't NeroShowTime support NeroRecode's "cosmetic" features, when its forced to be the only player that handles NeroDigital's full features?
Or do i have to set some hidden settings? Yep... would be nice

Originally posted by tedgo
4.) Are there any skins available for NeroShowTime? The two skins shipped with it are very ugly and the buttons aren't arranged really user-friendly. Yep... there does not seem to been any interest in this!

Originally posted by tedgo
About NeroRecode 2.2.6.11:
1.) I prefer to do anamorphic encoding with NeroDigital ASP by uncheck the "letterbox"-option. But NeroRecode sets a wrong PAR on my files: it sets a generic 16:9 PAR (64:45) instead of the correct 16:9 PAL-PAR (16:11), although the VOBs are recognised as 16:9 PAL.
Is it possible to fix this? Recode2 primarily uses DAR anamorphic calculations. Which is the same process that Mpeg2/VOB uses.

Originally posted by tedgo
2.) I sometimes want to have only the second subtitle, cos the first is always enabled in other players than NeroShowTime. But when i set the first subtitle to "None", there is no option to add just a second one. Is it possible to add a "blank" subtitle as first subtitle?Then just select the second subtitle!

tedgo

23rd March 2005, 15:09

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Recode2 primarily uses DAR anamorphic calculations. Which is the same process that Mpeg2/VOB uses.
Does it mean that on SAs the video will be properly resized?

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Then just select the second subtitle!
It's not possible in other players than NeroShowTime, when using Nero's Parser/Decoder (and i prefer this solution atm, cos its the only one that allows chapters in other players than NeroShowTime...)

SeeMoreDigital

23rd March 2005, 16:06

Originally posted by tedgo
Does it mean that on SAs the video will be properly resized?I've not had any problems with the correct AR being displayed (using the newer Recode2 builds). Even when cropping away the mattes!

There have been many Mpeg2/Mpeg4 PAR and DAR discussions on the forum. So it would be pointless to start another one within this thread.

Originally posted by tedgo
It's not possible in other players than NeroShowTime, when using Nero's Parser/Decoder (and i prefer this solution atm, cos its the only one that allows chapters in other players than NeroShowTime...) You've lost me... What has the way you select specific subtitles got to do with chapters?

Cheers

tedgo

23rd March 2005, 17:19

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
I've not had any problems with the correct AR being displayed (using the newer Recode2 builds). Even when cropping away the mattes!

There have been many Mpeg2/Mpeg4 PAR and DAR discussions on the forum. So it would be pointless to start another one within this thread.
I wasn't intended to start another discussion about it. I only wanted to point on the wrong PAR setting in NeroRecode (look at mpegmodifier: it is set as Custom PAR 64:45, and that is wrong, cos it has to be set as 16:9 PAL PAR to resize properly on PC, or - maybe 64:45 PAR for SAs?)
Hit me when i'm wrong ;)
And when its so misunderstanding, NeroRecode should give the possibility to chose or override the PAR or DAR by hand like XviD does.
Wouldn't it be nice? ;)

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
You've lost me... What has the way you select specific subtitles got to do with chapters?

Cheers
When i use NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder i can't select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can select the chapters.
When i use another Splitter/Decoder-Combination (like Haali'sSplitter/ffdshow) i can select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can't select the chapters.
I prefer the Nero-combination atm, cos chapters are more desired.
When i want to use the full advantages of NeroDigital, i use NeroShowTime.

SeeMoreDigital

23rd March 2005, 19:01

Originally posted by tedgo
I wasn't intended to start another discussion about it. I only wanted to point on the wrong PAR setting in NeroRecode (look at mpegmodifier: it is set as Custom PAR 64:45, not as DAR, and that is definitely wrong, cos it has to be set as 16:9 PAL PAR to resize properly)
Hit me when i'm wrong ;)
And when its so misunderstanding, NeroRecode should give the possibility to chose or override the PAR or DAR by hand like XviD does.
Wouldn't it be nice? ;)If you input say, an anamorphic 16:9 Mpeg2/DVD source into Recode2 and generate an Mpeg4 encode without cropping away the mattes or resizing, then Recode2 is correct in using 16:9 DAR instead of 16:9 PAR.

As I said before. There has been a lot of discussion about this subject before on the forum...

It's quite easy to for people to conduct their own PAR -v- DAR tests. All you have to do is rip a small section from an 16:9 anamorphic DVD (preferably with a 2.35:1 image). Encode it to Mpeg4 at 1:1 (ie: without cropping or resizing). And then use MPEG Modifier to write a file with 16:9 DAR and another file with 16:9 PAR. And then compare the two Mpeg4 files against the Mpeg2 source using the same software media player.

You will find, the DAR encode will exactly match the Mpeg2 source. And the PAR encode will not.

Originally posted by tedgo
When i use NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder i can't select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can select the chapters.
When i use another Splitter/Decoder-Combination (like Haali'sSplitter/ffdshow) i can select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can't select the chapters.
I prefer the Nero-combination atm, cos chapters are more desired.
When i want to use the full advantages of NeroDigital, i use NeroShowTime. I see what you mean now... but this is not what you asked about in your Recode2 Q2.

Agreed, it's very annoying that Nero has not fully opened up it's filters for use in other direct-show media players. The guys at NeroDigital are well aware of this!

VLC player allows you to read Nero's subtitles and switch audio tracks but sadly lacks chapter selection also :(

Personally I think it would be kinda cool if MediaPlayer Classic came with it's own "built-in" Mpeg4/.MP4 filters, parsers, splitters etc.

Cheers

tedgo

23rd March 2005, 23:02

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
If you input say, an anamorphic 16:9 Mpeg2/DVD source into Recode2 and generate an Mpeg4 encode without cropping away the mattes or resizing, then Recode2 is correct in using 16:9 DAR instead of 16:9 PAR.

As I said before. There has been a lot of discussion about this subject before on the forum...

It's quite easy to for people to conduct their own PAR -v- DAR tests. All you have to do is rip a small section from an 16:9 anamorphic DVD (preferably with a 2.35:1 image). Encode it to Mpeg4 at 1:1 (ie: without cropping or resizing). And then use MPEG Modifier to write a file with 16:9 DAR and another file with 16:9 PAR. And then compare the two Mpeg4 files against the Mpeg2 source using the same software media player.

You will find, the DAR encode will exactly match the Mpeg2 source. And the PAR encode will not.
That's right, but PAL-DVDs on PC are played with an incorrect Generic-AR of strictly 16:9 (for example 1024*576) - causing by a missing overscan on the PC monitor - instead the correct PAL-PAR 16:9 (in this example about 1052*576), the resolution DVDs are played on TV. In other words: on PC an AR of 1,78:1 will be used, but the correct one from the ITU and CCIR-Standard (different numbers) is about 1,825:1.
Try with a scene with a moon or another correct round. On the DVD the "ring" will not be a perfect circle, it will be a bit narrowed, when played on PC, but not on a SA.
To solve this, the MP4s had to be resized with 16:9 PAL PAR (16:11) and not with a strict 16:9 DAR of 64:45, otherwise the wrong resolution DVDs use on PC are "stored" in the MP4s, at least when played on PC.
But: I don't know the bahaviour of SAs when handling MP4. Do they resize properly when using DAR or the PAL PAR?
It would be nice if someone could answer this question.

But as you mentioned before, this thread should not end in an other discussion about DAR/PAR.
But a possibillity to chose the PAR/DAR by hand in NeroRecode is almost likely for me ;)

EDIT:
I hope my post is understandable, cos english is not my native language :)

SeeMoreDigital

23rd March 2005, 23:37

Originally posted by tedgo
That's right, but PAL-DVDs on PC are played with an incorrect Generic-AR of strictly 16:9 (for example 1024*576) - causing by a missing overscan on the PC monitor - instead the correct PAL-PAR 16:9 (in this example about 1052*576), the resolution DVDs are played on TV. In other words: on PC an AR of 1,78:1 will be used, but the correct one from the ITU and CCIR-Standard (different numbers) is about 1,825:1. Nope that's entirely correct. If you burn the same 3No files I mentioned earlier onto disc (the Mpeg2 source, Mpeg4 DAR and Mpeg4 PAR) and spin them in a Mpeg4/DVD stand-alone player (that supports anamorphic signalling), you'll find that the Mpeg4 PAR encode does not exactly match the Mpeg2 source. But the Mpeg4 DAR encode does.

The same thing happens when you mux the same Mpeg4 streams into the .MP4 container and play them in a stand-alone or device (such as a Sigma Xcard) that supports that container too!

What many people fail to remember/appreciate is that Mpeg2 uses 4:3 and 16:9 calculations based on DAR... not PAR. So if you want exact pixel placement for you Mpeg4 encodes, use the DAR settings!

Cheers

tedgo

23rd March 2005, 23:50

Ok, then my question about the behaviour of MP4s on SAs is answered, thank you.
However it would be nice to have an option to "override" the NeroRecode AR-Setting for proper display on PC (and that is PAR).

Sharktooth

25th March 2005, 17:32

Recode Bug. After setting Start/End, the video properties (deinterlace,crop,resize) are set to defaults and chapters are cleared.

toke

29th March 2005, 22:33

SeeMoreDigital

29th March 2005, 22:49

Originally posted by toke
... square pix 16:9 PAL (from 720x576) is 1050x576.
Eg. all Adobe's and almost all the others software uses the incorrect 1024x576. It's like I've said many times... I have nothing against the ITU regulations and their relationship to how over-scan is calculated for displaying on analogue TV displays!

But we are moving into a totally digital age now. An age in which more and more of us will be buying and connecting devices via DVI and HDMI. An age in which over-scan will be gone... Just like it is now on your VGA display!

And for those of you watching 1280x720p and/or 1920x1080/88i high-def "square pixelled" content via an analogue connection, such as s-video or component (ie: not via VGA, DVI or HDMI). Have you ever worked out how much of the image you are not able to see because of over-scan?

Rather suprising... isn't it!

Cheers