Nero Vision 3.0.1.27 Express recode 2.2.6.9 is out

[trevorharris]

Just done a brief test and they have fixed the resize problem.
I wish I could change the frame rate.

[easyfab]

You can also use nerodigital with nerovision now :)
I don't test it for now only see it's possible.

[bond]

does nve support editing (cutting/joining) of .mp4 files now?

[acidsex]

I am actually very impressed with this release. Everything that was majorily wrong with the last release has been fixed and we finally have the option to export ND/ND AVC from Vision Express timeline.

Now if we could just get some sort of DRM and possibly menu support inlcuded in the nero digital file, Indie film makers like myself can start mass distributing. :)

[easyfab]

Originally posted by bond
does nve support editing (cutting/joining) of .mp4 files now?

Not without reencoding I think

[slavickas]

Originally posted by bond
does nve support editing (cutting/joining) of .mp4 files now?

seems no, but haven't searching extensivelly :)

btw does it have long time promised newer version of avc encoder?

[bond]

Originally posted by acidsex
Now if we could just get some sort of DRM and possibly menu support inlcuded in the nero digital file, Indie film makers like myself can start mass distributingbleh, another not standardised DRM in .mp4 is the last thing i need...

Originally posted by slavickas
btw does it have long time promised newer version of avc encoder?doubt it, i am sure nero will make big announcements once its here (its called "avc high profile" btw (if you mean the encoder tested by doom9))

[slavickas]

nope i meant 20% faster encoder, 40% on 1rst pass, such numbers were told by Babayaga

[Leo 69]

This is so stupid to download 30 megs each time :( According to their
changelogs they could make just tiny patches, you know.Maybe I'm a bit mistaken, but it's a real problem when having slow modem connection...Gouch...They haven't even managed to update their Recode with that AVC "Highness" profile.:rolleyes: What are they waiting for? It's so strange.Those guys from ON2 are strange enough too :"We have made a super-mega-ultra VP7...",so where is it!? Сome on !!!

[Prettz]

I find it very strange that you can't add audio files to the encode list. I guess it only allows the audio that is part of the avi file you open. So it seems that any .mp4 files you create will have to have only 1 audio track.

Adding insult to injury, Nero's audio encoding app doesn't recognize .ac3 files. WTF!?!?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Prettz
I find it very strange that you can't add audio files to the encode list. I guess it only allows the audio that is part of the avi file you open. So it seems that any .mp4 files you create will have to have only 1 audio track.
Well if you create .mp4 file from .VOB, then you can have 2 audio streams. Maybe what you suggest will be added in the future.

Adding insult to injury, Nero's audio encoding app doesn't recognize .ac3 files. WTF!?!? I think the reason why Nero Burning ROM's audio encoder doesn't read .ac3 files by default is because of licensing issues/costs, but check this page for solution..
http://neroplugins.cd-rw.org/

[Prettz]

I've also noticed that the "Cartoon mode" option under Source Material seems to have been changed to "Chroma optimization".

Does this mean I should check "Chroma optimization" if I want the encoder to use chroma ME?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Prettz
I've also noticed that the "Cartoon mode" option under Source Material seems to have been changed to "Chroma optimization".

Does this mean I should check "Chroma optimization" if I want the encoder to use chroma ME? Yea, that is correct. And only the name has changed.

[McoreD]

Originally posted by bond
does nve support editing (cutting/joining) of .mp4 files now?

Please. Really looking forward to this feature *without re-encoding*. :)

[iapir]

Is it possible to install NVE and Nero Burning Rom on the same computer at the same time, now ?

[daldrum]

I have never heard that it was not possible!
Am I the only one?
Can you be more specific?

[iapir]

I tried several times to install NVE then NBR, or NBR and then NVE and even with license keys that work for others, I don't have the Nero HD option when both are installed. Even after cleaning the registry and Profile dir, the pb is still there...

[Episode]

:search:

[justinkwaugh]

Originally posted by acidsex
[B]I am actually very impressed with this release. Everything that was majorily wrong with the last release has been fixed and we finally have the option to export ND/ND AVC from Vision Express timeline.

Not everything majorly wrong has been fixed. At least not the problem with the hdtv directv sources I am having.

[neo_anderson]

hey, if i use nero 6.6.0.3 and nve 3.0.1.27, will that have any adverse effects, i mean, as i am on dialup, do i need to update nero too, if i just update nve, would that be enough, or should i update the whole thing?

[billou2k]

Can Nero AVC encode interlaced content in interlaced mode?
I ve got some pure interlaced content, that nero detects as interlaced.
But then it advices to deinterlace for a better quality???
You cant get better quality by deinterlacing (you're removing the smoothness of the 50hz motion )...

Anyway the only optiom is then to "disable" deinterlace...
I was assuming it meant that the encoder would work in interlaced mode...
But looking at the result... it more looks like the encoder is simply encoding the interlaced frames as if they were progressive and therefore it is wasting bits and ruining the video...

Does anybody know if there is a way to get Recode encode interlaced content properly?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by billou2k
Can Nero AVC encode interlaced content in interlaced mode?
I ve got some pure interlaced content, that nero detects as interlaced.
But then it advices to deinterlace for a better quality???
You cant get better quality by deinterlacing (you're removing the smoothness of the 50hz motion )...

Anyway the only optiom is then to "disable" deinterlace...
I was assuming it meant that the encoder would work in interlaced mode...
But looking at the result... it more looks like the encoder is simply encoding the interlaced frames as if they were progressive and therefore it is wasting bits and ruining the video...

Does anybody know if there is a way to get Recode encode interlaced content properly? Interlaced support for Nero Digital AVC will be there hopefully pretty soon. Ateme is working on it.

[daveidmx]

Thwak! (ouch)

That was me getting smacked upside the head with my latest audio issue... :)

In a continuation from the previous thread, this regards NeAudio.ax and its wacky antisocial tendancies.

I watch my mp4s with ZoomPlayer, and the audio chain goes:
NDParser->NeAudio->AC3Filter->ZPAudio->DirectSound

Now of course, to make this work in the first place, I have to use an old version of NeAudio. Which has worked fine, except now I've realized. NeAudio (either version 36) won't hook up to AC3 Filter on a 6ch AAC audio track. 2ch works beautifully, but 6ch just won't connect the filters. They all appear in the graph, but won't connect. No error message, though. See GraphEdit.

http://www.go-upstairs.com/cheers/graph-36-1.png

Now the new version of NeAudio (v46) will connect just fine to AC3Filter on 6ch tracks. So whatever the problem was, it has been solved. But it will only connect from within WMP9. But I can't use the new version outside of ShowTime and WMP9! ARGH!


So I'm stuck between a rock and two hard places. My options are:

1) Use WMP9 and have no control over playback whatsoever, but hear the audio.

2) Use ZoomPlayer and resign myself to downmixing all audio to 2ch, and also re-encoding all the 6ch movies I've done so far.

3) Use ShowTime and sacrifice all the happiness that comes from using my favorite media player.


Could you please explain to me the business reason for preventing people from using their player of choice when viewing Nero Digital? Because I don't understand. Is there any hope that this will be changed in the future, or should I go about finding alternate solutions?

[jk888]

Let me get this straight, if I'm encoding a non-cartoon video, should I select normal instead of Chroma optimization? And why is Chroma selected by default?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by daveidmx
Could you please explain to me the business reason for preventing people from using their player of choice when viewing Nero Digital? Because I don't understand. I'll ask. Maybe it's not intentional. But maybe it has something to do with the subs and chapters support in ShowTime, meaning it is preferred so that full features of ND would be in use by people as much as possible. Just guessing.. Maybe it's nothing like that.

[daveidmx]

Thanks JonhV, I'd love to find out.

If it's to "encourage" people to use ShowTime, perhaps in the future there might be a reg key or something for people who know what they're doing and want to use a different player? Right now I just feel like I can't continue encoding until I have an idea of what the future situation will be.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by jk888
Let me get this straight, if I'm encoding a non-cartoon video, should I select normal instead of Chroma optimization? And why is Chroma selected by default? Chroma optimization is selected by default, because it takes chroma values into account in ME decision process and can increase quality of non-cartoon videos too.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by daveidmx
Thanks JonhV, I'd love to find out.

If it's to "encourage" people to use ShowTime, perhaps in the future there might be a reg key or something for people who know what they're doing and want to use a different player? Right now I just feel like I can't continue encoding until I have an idea of what the future situation will be. Ok, got the answer.
It is a licencing issue, but we are planning to make unrestricted filters available to users if they purchase a special plugin which will also make AVC available to endusers of OEM versions of Nero.

[daveidmx]

Thanks. Any idea how much will this "plugin" might cost for registered owners?

EDIT: Also, when might we expect this to be available?

[daveidmx]

Edited for typos.
@JohnV
I'm picking up steam in my attempts to convert my entire DVD library to Nero Digital. Now that I've been using Recode a bit more, I've been noticing some possible issues I'd like to bring to your attention.

Preview windows display wrong video clips
When importing Titles from more than one DVD at a time, the video preview windows tend to show videos from the wrong DVD. The behavior of Recode after adjusting in/out points suggests that it is only maintaining one DVD table. I imagine if I tried to encode this it would end up corrupt.

Recode reports "Please insert original disc in drive X:"
When one imports a DVD into two concurrent Recode sessions, attempting to encode the second session causes Recode to report "Please insert original disc in drive X:" and refuse to encode.

Recode encodes wrong video, and may crash upon pressing "burn"
If one imports a Title into Recode, switches discs in the drive, then presses "burn", Recode blindly begins encoding using data from the new DVD. Occasionally it will encounter unexpected data and become hopelessly frozen.

Naming conflict with "continued" titles.
Where the typical naming pattern for output is:
DISC_NAME Title %d.mp4
When a title is "continued" the DISC_NAME is dropped from the filename. If I encode two movies to the same folder--
DISC_1 Title 1.mp4
DISC_2 Title 1.mp4
Title 1 (continued).mp4
To which movie does "Title 1 (continued).mp4" belong?

Output filenames may occasionally be unacceptable but are difficult to rename by hand.
The makers of some discs apparently believe that "DVD_VIDEO" is the most descriptive volume label available. If the disc "DVD_VIDEO" contains twenty Titles, the resulting glop of .mp4 files is tedious to rename to something more appropriate. Of course, a well-written batch-script can rename the encoded output files in a jif, but that is neither an every-man's solution, nor in keeping with the point-and-shoot nature of Recode, nor a solution at all when burning straight to disc instead of hard disk folder. A text field to change the DISC_NAME part of the field would be most helpful here.

Multiple-segment Titles may end up in the wrong order
When importing several "continued" segments, the naming pattern is as follows.
DISC_NAME Title 1.mp4
Title 1 (continued).mp4
Title 1 (continued) (2).mp4
Title 1 (continued) (3).mp4
Title 1 (continued) (4).mp4
While this naming scheme (with the correction for the absence of DISC_NAME, mentioned previously) makes decent sense for between one and three segments, with many segments it is confusing for a number of reasons.

1) The names don't properly alpha-sort. Even after adding DISC_NAME to the continuations, "Title 1.mp4" sorts after "Title 1 (continued).mp4"
2) The sequence numbers come from the order in which segments are added, not from any inherent order on the disc. It is therefore very easy to end up with file names which are out of sequence with what's on the disc. While arguments can be made that this is favorable, in light of the possibility of having menus and other navigational structures in the future, a naming convention which is more strongly correlated may be favorable. (I say "may", of course, because there are many forseeable alternate solutions.) It would certainly make life less confusing for me.
3) The sequence numbers are misleading.
"(continued) (2)" is the third segment, not the second.
"(continued) (3)" is the fourth, etc.

My recommendation is that when it is detected that there are more than two segments (more than "Title 1" and "Title 1 (continued)", the naming convention is changed to:
Title 1 (part 1)
Title 1 (part 2)
Title 1 (part 3)

[JohnV]

daveidmx: Thanks. Hopefully we can fix these things soon.

[Custom_VCD]

I really enjoy this software a lot and aprreciate the work that goes into it, I bought a new Nero Suite Sunday and I can't say enough about this AVC codec, my kid's cartoon encodes, Lion King and so on look beautiful. Can't wait for new versions, even though I can't see what else needs to be improved

[daveidmx]

Here's something I noticed.

Open one Recode session. Pick a "fit to" size. Go to the next page.

Start another session with a different "fit to" size. Go the the next page.

Press "back" on the first session. It inherits the "fit to" size from the second sesson.

There are some other properties inherited as well, but I'm not exactly sure which ones.


Also, any word on how long we might have to wait for the "AVC Plugin" so we can watch our videos in our own players?

[Kortik]

How do you know if nero recode 2 got MPEG-4 AVC/H.264.
I have the latest Nero with all the plug ins etc.
Is there a way to check that i am actually using avc/h.264

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Kortik
How do you know if nero recode 2 got MPEG-4 AVC/H.264.
I have the latest Nero with all the plug ins etc.
Is there a way to check that i am actually using avc/h.264 When you start Recode, you should have options to encode to Nero Digital. After you have selected that, push the "More"-button on lower left corner in the gui window, and you can choose Nero Digital Profiles. Then select for example "Standard - AVC"-profile.

You can also see your stream is AVC from ShowTime, when you right click->Options->Show additional info on OSD.

[Kortik]

thank you JohnV

[Clock]

Just curious about some options:

Compress Adaptive
Advanced Analysis

Both never used according to my logile, but I don't know what they should do, where to enable them, or where to read more about them.

Would someone give me a hint? Thanks!

Clock

[vio_man]

NeroVision Express 3.1.0.0 is out

ftp://ftp2.us.nero.com/NVE-3.1.0.0.exe

[Sharktooth]

Yes!:)
JohnV what are the changes?

[vio_man]

Release notes

http://www.nero.com/us/NeroVision_Express_3_Release_Notes.html#a1

[bond]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
JohnV what are the changes? http://www.nero.com/en/Nero_6_Reloaded_Release_Notes.html

[Sharktooth]

@vio_man: sorry, i meant the changes to recode ...

@bond: thanks, i had a cached page and i couldnt see the new recode version. Seems the new filters are not included...

[Anacondo]

@JohnV:

Could you guys consider including a "select none" button for file type registering at the end of the installer? It's quite annoying having to deselect 30+ options one by one on every installment. :p

Keep up the good work!

Regards.

[Leo 69]

Just one question : Is there an updated AVC filter with High Profile ?

Cheers

[hpn]

Originally posted by Anacondo
@JohnV:

Could you guys consider including a "select none" button for file type registering at the end of the installer? It's quite annoying having to deselect 30+ options one by one on every installment. :p


I second that. I was about to post such request last time I installed NeroVission Express. It's actually not 30. NVE 3.1.0.0 earlier today tried to hijack exactly 59 file types, including common types like mp3 and jpg. The average Joe is not quite aware of what's happening during installation process and usually just press "Next". The only ethical way is "None" to be set by default (for all software, not only NVE) or at least only file types that are application-specific, otherwise it's nothing more than a virus-like behaviour (don't get me wrong, I like Nero :) ).

[Sharktooth]

There seems to be no changes to the encoder... :(
Btw i agree with the "select none" button.

[McoreD]

Originally posted by Anacondo
@JohnV:
Could you guys consider including a "select none" button for file type registering at the end of the installer? It's quite annoying having to deselect 30+ options one by one on every installment. :p

I was about to suggest that too. Thanks, McoreD.

[Anacondo]

Originally posted by hpn
I second that. I was about to post such request last time I installed NeroVission Express. It's actually not 30. NVE 3.1.0.0 earlier today tried to hijack exactly 59 file types, including common types like mp3 and jpg. The average Joe is not quite aware of what's happening during installation process and usually just press "Next". The only ethical way is "None" to be set by default (for all software, not only NVE) or at least only file types that are application-specific, otherwise it's nothing more than a virus-like behaviour (don't get me wrong, I like Nero :) ).
:eek: I didn't bother to count them. Anyway, I don't have a problem with file type associations in any software as long as I can control it. I appreciate their decision to let the user know what file types will be associated to the program (they could have easily stolen them without asking, as many programs do), and as they provide a button with "select all" functionality, I suppose it won't be much work to do the inverse. Hopefully we will see it in next version!

Regards.

[kurt]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
There seems to be no changes to the encoder... :(
Btw i agree with the "select none" button.

no encoder changes? so why we should download another 34MB?

[Sharktooth]

Read the release notes...

[daveidmx]

In the meantime, one can use the keyboard to more quickly deselect the file types.

<Spacebar><Down arrow>

At least its quicker than the mouse...

[LiFe]

OT: Anybody ever used pivot tables in Excel before?

The company I work for live off them - they're genious (Pivot Tables, not the company).

Whenever you hear *Bang-Bang*Bang-Bang*Bang-Bang* running for 30 seconds, you know someone's doing a pivot table and trying to use only select fields. Excel makes you manually select/deselect each field, so you do a really fast <space> <down arrow> combination that sounds like a machine gun.

It's very funny : )

[neo_anderson]

has the low volume in encoded movies bug been fixed yet?

[LiFe]

Originally posted by neo_anderson
has the low volume in encoded movies bug been fixed yet?

Converting AC3 to AAC audio should result in low volume. It's not a bug.

AC3 has a highly extended dynamic range, and then implements Dialogue Normalisation and DRC to play back this huge dynamic range in environments (such as the home) where that range is not supported or desirable.

AAC does none of these things.

Either Recode needs to support DRC, Dialogue Normalisation and Peak Normalisation (not a bug, just missing features), or you need to decode your audio using proper software first and then frame serve it to Recode (only the previous version of recode had a multichannel bug I hope has been fixed).

[Selur]

no real changes :(

[daveidmx]

Also, has anyone else noticed:

The Nero Digital shell item property page makes the properties dialogue be oversized, with a chunk of grey nothingness off on the bottom and right?

Is Ahead/Nero aware of this?

[daveidmx]

Originally posted by LiFe
Converting AC3 to AAC audio should result in low volume. It's not a bug.

@LiFe
That's true, but may I rephrase the concern a bit? As I understand it, the AC3->AAC output from recode is "excessively" low, even when one considers the factors present in the conversion.

For example, I've just produced a 1kHz -1dBFS test tone. On a 105dB mix, this should play at 104dB in a calibrated theater. In other words, this is as loud as it gets. Movies don't really get this loud. Dialogue typically peaks at -27dBFS.

From this test tone I've produced several files, a few of which are:

1. A calibrated AC3 without dialogue normaliztion (-31dB = "no correction")
2. An M4A using BSN with no dialogue norm or DRC. Therefore 0dBFS in = 0dbFS out.
3. An MP4 using Nero Recode.

I then decoded the two AACs via a common route and measured them. The M4A from BSN shows the same (+/- 0.5dB) levels as the input file. The level of the MP4 from Nero Recode, depending on encoding settings, ranged from -18dBFS to -14dBFS, or about 12-15 dB too quiet!

Of course its easy to speculate as to the reason for this. Perhaps Recode's AC3 decoder's DRC compresses the levels downward instead of upward to centered. Who can say? Whatever the case may be, the result is MP4s with ridiculously low sound levels that are almost impossible to hear on my laptop.

[LiFe]

Originally posted by daveidmx
I then decoded the two AACs via a common route and measured them. The M4A from BSN shows the same (+/- 0.5dB) levels as the input file. The level of the MP4 from Nero Recode, depending on encoding settings, ranged from -18dBFS to -14dBFS, or about 12-15 dB too quiet!


Recode doesn't do this for 2 channel or 5.1 channel wavs does it? I decode all my AC3 with correct Norm, DRC with Azid then frameserve to recode.

And yes, I know about the frameserve 5.1 ch bug.

Thanks.

[neo_anderson]

guys, how do ya "frameserve" ac3 to recode, i mean, i follow the doom9 guide and in there there is no way to include any external audio?

[LiFe]

You don't.

You decode it to wavs (and if it goes over 2GB you use 6 of them : ), then you use AviSynth to frame serve the MPEG-2 with Audio.

LiFe.

[McoreD]

Originally posted by Selur
no real changes :(

Finally some great improvements !

With Nero 6.6.0.8 and Vision Express 3.1.0.0 installed now I can :

2-pass AVC Encode no problem
Correct Audio Level for all the MP4 files encoded using Recode in version 3.1

Cheers and Congrats,
McoreD

[kadajawi]

I've downloaded and installed the latest demo version of the Nero Package 2, I also have the updated to the latest Nero 6 Reloaded version.

When I start up Nero Recode 2 I get to the normal start up screen and can choose from 5 options. But no matter on which one I click, I'll get:
Nero Recode 2 has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

AppName: recode.exe AppVer: 2.2.6.11 ModName: nendgui.dll
ModVer: 3.0.0.5 Offset: 00035769

Something seems to have gone wrong. Windows XP SP2, latest updates (except the .NET Framework 1.1 SP1). Maybe my Windows is somehow... not in best condition tho, but I haven't encountered a problem lately (except that the .NET SP1 crashes while updating).

Hope this is the right thread/place to ask :)

Hmm... now Nero ShowTime, after running in background with a DVD (was in the menu) crashed.
AppName: showtime.exe AppVer: 2.0.0.22 ModName: nevideo.ax
ModVer: 3.0.0.5 Offset: 0006eb3b
Strange.

Ps: Yes, my system is overclocked, but no, it ran years with Folding@Home and encoding XviD without a problem.

***edit***
Returned to original fsb and clock speed, still crashes.

[neo_anderson]

Originally posted by McoreD
Correct Audio Level for all the MP4 files encoded using Recode in version 3.1

McoreD

Hey, is this really true, i mean, do u get correct volume level for the he-aac audio encoded with nerodigital video in recode 2,for dvd to nerodigital avc conversion, please confirm ASAP!

[SkoalWintergreen]

I get the same error no matter what option I choose, but I don't even get the NeroDigital options to pop up. I just have the 3 DVD choices and that's it. I have both new versions installed, and no matter what choice I make in Recode it gives me the exact same error described as above. I am also running SP2 with all the latest updates.

[kadajawi]

Had the problem aswell... seems to be a problem with licenses. Maybe try to install with an other license key (or none? That should at least give you the demo).

[McoreD]

Originally posted by neo_anderson
Hey, is this really true, i mean, do u get correct volume level for the he-aac audio encoded with nerodigital video in recode 2,for dvd to nerodigital avc conversion, please confirm ASAP!

Just realized it is *only* for HE-AAC 2 Channels. :(
Nero Digital 6 Channels still have low audio.

Cheers,
McoreD

[dvd_maniac]

Just realized it is *only* for HE-AAC 2 Channels. Nero Digital 6 Channels still have low audio


Little confused? Does this mean low audio when encoding 6 channel AC3 and normal when encoding 2 channel AC3?

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've been trying to feed the latest version of Recode2 with high-def Mpeg2/AC3 1080i and 720p Mpeg2 sources... but for some reason they will not load :eek:

Is it just me. Or is something b0rked?


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

I'm still pulling hair from my head coz recode is "laughing" at me by doing what he wants...
I said NO RESIZING!!!... "he" resized and letterboxed...

[napalm]

Originally posted by SkoalWintergreen
I get the same error no matter what option I choose, but I don't even get the NeroDigital options to pop up. I just have the 3 DVD choices and that's it. I have both new versions installed, and no matter what choice I make in Recode it gives me the exact same error described as above. I am also running SP2 with all the latest updates.

with XP SP2, Nero 6.6.0.8 and NVE 3.1.0.0, When I launch Recode, I have the 3 dvd options, but when I click any of them, the program shuts down with no error msgs at all.

[yaz]

yep ... there's sg really strange about these updates. nbr installs fine, saying '... found an installed version ... updating ...' but the new version pops up as demo :confused: and no way of registration. when i make a clean install, after the registration i got 2 instances in the start menue, one is still the demo and the other is an 'unidentified' nbr (no ultra, enterprise, whatever), the link from the table shows still the demo :confused: :confused:
and this version makes stupid errors generating faulty burns :mad: ... so sg is really messed up w/this ver ... after all, i haven't dared to update nve ... maybe i drop it all :(

the bests
y

[napalm]

Fix for this issue: Removing your serial key from startsmart stops this crash from occuring, you also get the extra options in recode back. weird.

[dvd_maniac]

Myabe I am just getting lucky. But whenever I re-install Nero or redo my system, I put my serials in NVE and "NOT" NERO Burning Rom. Everytime I put it into the burning rom I have problems like no Nero Digital in Recode. But when I put the serials in through NVE. about 10-12 times in a row "No issues". You will still see demo in the start menu until you open the burning rom for the first time.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
I've been trying to feed the latest version of Recode2 with high-def Mpeg2/AC3 1080i and 720p Mpeg2 sources... but for some reason they will not load :eek:

Is it just me. Or is something b0rked?


Cheers
I had similar problem. If you have ffdshow's Raw video decoding support enabled, try disabling it.
I had also intervideo's ivivideo.ax messing with Recode's filter chain, but seems disabling ffdshow's Raw video solved this issue also.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks JohnV,

I performed a search for Intervideo's ivivideo.ax and it would seem I don't have this installed

I install FFdshow a couple of weeks ago when I wanted to test its 6Ch AAC to AC3 transcoder (which worked well), but de-installed it soon after!

I wonder if there are still some remnants of FFdshow clashing with Recode or if some priorities have changed....

Do you have any further suggestions? If it's happening to me, it may be happening to others too!


Cheers

[JohnV]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Thanks JohnV,

I performed a search for Intervideo's ivivideo.ax and it would seem I don't have this installed

I install FFdshow a couple of weeks ago when I wanted to test its 6Ch AAC to AC3 transcoder (which worked well), but de-installed it soon after!

I wonder if there are still some remnants of FFdshow clashing with Recode or if some priorities have changed....

Do you have any further suggestions? If it's happening to me, it may be happening to others too!


Cheers
So what exactly happens? Does Recode lock for you in the analysis phase after you click import files, or it just does nothing?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by JohnV
So what exactly happens? Does Recode lock for you in the analysis phase after you click import files, or it just does nothing? When I import say, an 1920x1088 Mpeg2 source... all I get to see is this. Which stalls Recode2: -

http://img121.exs.cx/img121/5687/recode2hdlockup0vm.gif

....And when I try and "exit" Recode2. I get this: -

http://img105.exs.cx/img105/5049/notresponding3tn.gif

The weird thing is... I can import the same source into NeroVision Express with no problems at all :eek:

Hope this help you?


Cheers

[JohnV]

Hmm it may be some filter conflict.. What kind of filter chain you have in graphedit when you render that file?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by JohnV
Hmm it may be some filter conflict.. What kind of filter chain you have in graphedit when you render that file? You've cracked it JohnV :)

When I ran the source thru' GraphEdit I got this: -

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/922/grapheditfilterchain3el.gif

After removing the following new "DivX Media Filter"... Recode2 works fine again: -

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/8544/divxmediaaxfilter4me.gif

So here's another filter to add to your "incompatible list" ;)


Many thanks JohnV

[JohnV]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Many thanks JohnV
Yeah, but we need to fix this asap...

[tedgo]

I have some remarks about NeroShowTime 2.0.0.22 and NeroRecode 2.2.6.11.

About NeroShowTime 2.0.0.22:
1.) I can't set NeroShowTime to "Hide Subtitles". If its set to, the subtitles are still shown. What's wrong?

2.) NeroRecode saves the subs as vobsubs, doesn't it?
Some vobsubs have different colours for different actors, but NeroShowTime shows all subs in greyscale, while other players can show the coloured subs.

3.) NeroRecode terms the audio- and/or subtitletracks like "English - Director's Comment" or "English 5.1". But NeroShowTime just shows "English" (all other players show the full name, but can't switch between the tracks when playing through NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder).
Why the hell can't NeroShowTime support NeroRecode's "cosmetic" features, when its forced to be the only player that handles NeroDigital's full features?
Or do i have to set some hidden settings?

4.) Are there any skins available for NeroShowTime? The two skins shipped with it are very ugly and the buttons aren't arranged really user-friendly.

About NeroRecode 2.2.6.11:
1.) I prefer to do anamorphic encoding with NeroDigital ASP by uncheck the "letterbox"-option. But NeroRecode sets a wrong PAR on my files: it sets a generic 16:9 PAR (64:45) instead of the correct 16:9 PAL-PAR (16:11), although the VOBs are recognised as 16:9 PAL.
Is it possible to fix this?

2.) I sometimes want to have only the second subtitle, cos the first is always enabled in other players than NeroShowTime. But when i set the first subtitle to "None", there is no option to add just a second one. Is it possible to add a "blank" subtitle as first subtitle?

I know these are minor "remarks" or "feature requests", but i hope they can be fixed. Generally the wrong PAR (btw. XviD sets the correct PAR, so i hope NeroDigital will do too ;) )
And i know that mpegmodifier can correct the PAR, but only in avi and i have problems by remuxing the avi in the mp4.

EDIT:
Oops, i now discovered the "Nero recode feature wish list"-thread.
I think i should have added my feature requests (correct PAR, blank subtitle) in that thread...
Sorry ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by tedgo
About NeroShowTime 2.0.0.22:
1.) I can't set NeroShowTime to "Hide Subtitles". If its set to, the subtitles are still shown. What's wrong? Works fine for me

Originally posted by tedgo
2.) NeroRecode saves the subs as vobsubs, doesn't it?
Some vobsubs have different colours for different actors, but NeroShowTime shows all subs in greyscale, while other players can show the coloured subs. Can't help you with this one!

Originally posted by tedgo
3.) NeroRecode terms the audio- and/or subtitletracks like "English - Director's Comment" or "English 5.1". But NeroShowTime just shows "English" (all other players show the full name, but can't switch between the tracks when playing through NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder).
Why the hell can't NeroShowTime support NeroRecode's "cosmetic" features, when its forced to be the only player that handles NeroDigital's full features?
Or do i have to set some hidden settings? Yep... would be nice

Originally posted by tedgo
4.) Are there any skins available for NeroShowTime? The two skins shipped with it are very ugly and the buttons aren't arranged really user-friendly. Yep... there does not seem to been any interest in this!

Originally posted by tedgo
About NeroRecode 2.2.6.11:
1.) I prefer to do anamorphic encoding with NeroDigital ASP by uncheck the "letterbox"-option. But NeroRecode sets a wrong PAR on my files: it sets a generic 16:9 PAR (64:45) instead of the correct 16:9 PAL-PAR (16:11), although the VOBs are recognised as 16:9 PAL.
Is it possible to fix this? Recode2 primarily uses DAR anamorphic calculations. Which is the same process that Mpeg2/VOB uses.

Originally posted by tedgo
2.) I sometimes want to have only the second subtitle, cos the first is always enabled in other players than NeroShowTime. But when i set the first subtitle to "None", there is no option to add just a second one. Is it possible to add a "blank" subtitle as first subtitle?Then just select the second subtitle!

[tedgo]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Recode2 primarily uses DAR anamorphic calculations. Which is the same process that Mpeg2/VOB uses.
Does it mean that on SAs the video will be properly resized?

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Then just select the second subtitle!
It's not possible in other players than NeroShowTime, when using Nero's Parser/Decoder (and i prefer this solution atm, cos its the only one that allows chapters in other players than NeroShowTime...)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by tedgo
Does it mean that on SAs the video will be properly resized?I've not had any problems with the correct AR being displayed (using the newer Recode2 builds). Even when cropping away the mattes!

There have been many Mpeg2/Mpeg4 PAR and DAR discussions on the forum. So it would be pointless to start another one within this thread.

Originally posted by tedgo
It's not possible in other players than NeroShowTime, when using Nero's Parser/Decoder (and i prefer this solution atm, cos its the only one that allows chapters in other players than NeroShowTime...) You've lost me... What has the way you select specific subtitles got to do with chapters?


Cheers

[tedgo]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
I've not had any problems with the correct AR being displayed (using the newer Recode2 builds). Even when cropping away the mattes!

There have been many Mpeg2/Mpeg4 PAR and DAR discussions on the forum. So it would be pointless to start another one within this thread.
I wasn't intended to start another discussion about it. I only wanted to point on the wrong PAR setting in NeroRecode (look at mpegmodifier: it is set as Custom PAR 64:45, and that is wrong, cos it has to be set as 16:9 PAL PAR to resize properly on PC, or - maybe 64:45 PAR for SAs?)
Hit me when i'm wrong ;)
And when its so misunderstanding, NeroRecode should give the possibility to chose or override the PAR or DAR by hand like XviD does.
Wouldn't it be nice? ;)

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
You've lost me... What has the way you select specific subtitles got to do with chapters?


Cheers
When i use NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder i can't select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can select the chapters.
When i use another Splitter/Decoder-Combination (like Haali'sSplitter/ffdshow) i can select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can't select the chapters.
I prefer the Nero-combination atm, cos chapters are more desired.
When i want to use the full advantages of NeroDigital, i use NeroShowTime.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by tedgo
I wasn't intended to start another discussion about it. I only wanted to point on the wrong PAR setting in NeroRecode (look at mpegmodifier: it is set as Custom PAR 64:45, not as DAR, and that is definitely wrong, cos it has to be set as 16:9 PAL PAR to resize properly)
Hit me when i'm wrong ;)
And when its so misunderstanding, NeroRecode should give the possibility to chose or override the PAR or DAR by hand like XviD does.
Wouldn't it be nice? ;)If you input say, an anamorphic 16:9 Mpeg2/DVD source into Recode2 and generate an Mpeg4 encode without cropping away the mattes or resizing, then Recode2 is correct in using 16:9 DAR instead of 16:9 PAR.

As I said before. There has been a lot of discussion about this subject before on the forum...

It's quite easy to for people to conduct their own PAR -v- DAR tests. All you have to do is rip a small section from an 16:9 anamorphic DVD (preferably with a 2.35:1 image). Encode it to Mpeg4 at 1:1 (ie: without cropping or resizing). And then use MPEG Modifier to write a file with 16:9 DAR and another file with 16:9 PAR. And then compare the two Mpeg4 files against the Mpeg2 source using the same software media player.

You will find, the DAR encode will exactly match the Mpeg2 source. And the PAR encode will not.

Originally posted by tedgo
When i use NDParser/NeroVideoDecoder i can't select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can select the chapters.
When i use another Splitter/Decoder-Combination (like Haali'sSplitter/ffdshow) i can select between the different audio or subtitle tracks outside NeroShowTime, but can't select the chapters.
I prefer the Nero-combination atm, cos chapters are more desired.
When i want to use the full advantages of NeroDigital, i use NeroShowTime. I see what you mean now... but this is not what you asked about in your Recode2 Q2.

Agreed, it's very annoying that Nero has not fully opened up it's filters for use in other direct-show media players. The guys at NeroDigital are well aware of this!

VLC player allows you to read Nero's subtitles and switch audio tracks but sadly lacks chapter selection also :(

Personally I think it would be kinda cool if MediaPlayer Classic came with it's own "built-in" Mpeg4/.MP4 filters, parsers, splitters etc.


Cheers

[tedgo]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
If you input say, an anamorphic 16:9 Mpeg2/DVD source into Recode2 and generate an Mpeg4 encode without cropping away the mattes or resizing, then Recode2 is correct in using 16:9 DAR instead of 16:9 PAR.

As I said before. There has been a lot of discussion about this subject before on the forum...

It's quite easy to for people to conduct their own PAR -v- DAR tests. All you have to do is rip a small section from an 16:9 anamorphic DVD (preferably with a 2.35:1 image). Encode it to Mpeg4 at 1:1 (ie: without cropping or resizing). And then use MPEG Modifier to write a file with 16:9 DAR and another file with 16:9 PAR. And then compare the two Mpeg4 files against the Mpeg2 source using the same software media player.

You will find, the DAR encode will exactly match the Mpeg2 source. And the PAR encode will not.
That's right, but PAL-DVDs on PC are played with an incorrect Generic-AR of strictly 16:9 (for example 1024*576) - causing by a missing overscan on the PC monitor - instead the correct PAL-PAR 16:9 (in this example about 1052*576), the resolution DVDs are played on TV. In other words: on PC an AR of 1,78:1 will be used, but the correct one from the ITU and CCIR-Standard (different numbers) is about 1,825:1.
Try with a scene with a moon or another correct round. On the DVD the "ring" will not be a perfect circle, it will be a bit narrowed, when played on PC, but not on a SA.
To solve this, the MP4s had to be resized with 16:9 PAL PAR (16:11) and not with a strict 16:9 DAR of 64:45, otherwise the wrong resolution DVDs use on PC are "stored" in the MP4s, at least when played on PC.
But: I don't know the bahaviour of SAs when handling MP4. Do they resize properly when using DAR or the PAL PAR?
It would be nice if someone could answer this question.

But as you mentioned before, this thread should not end in an other discussion about DAR/PAR.
But a possibillity to chose the PAR/DAR by hand in NeroRecode is almost likely for me ;)

EDIT:
I hope my post is understandable, cos english is not my native language :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by tedgo
That's right, but PAL-DVDs on PC are played with an incorrect Generic-AR of strictly 16:9 (for example 1024*576) - causing by a missing overscan on the PC monitor - instead the correct PAL-PAR 16:9 (in this example about 1052*576), the resolution DVDs are played on TV. In other words: on PC an AR of 1,78:1 will be used, but the correct one from the ITU and CCIR-Standard (different numbers) is about 1,825:1. Nope that's entirely correct. If you burn the same 3No files I mentioned earlier onto disc (the Mpeg2 source, Mpeg4 DAR and Mpeg4 PAR) and spin them in a Mpeg4/DVD stand-alone player (that supports anamorphic signalling), you'll find that the Mpeg4 PAR encode does not exactly match the Mpeg2 source. But the Mpeg4 DAR encode does.

The same thing happens when you mux the same Mpeg4 streams into the .MP4 container and play them in a stand-alone or device (such as a Sigma Xcard) that supports that container too!

What many people fail to remember/appreciate is that Mpeg2 uses 4:3 and 16:9 calculations based on DAR... not PAR. So if you want exact pixel placement for you Mpeg4 encodes, use the DAR settings!


Cheers

[tedgo]

Ok, then my question about the behaviour of MP4s on SAs is answered, thank you.
However it would be nice to have an option to "override" the NeroRecode AR-Setting for proper display on PC (and that is PAR).

[Sharktooth]

Recode Bug. After setting Start/End, the video properties (deinterlace,crop,resize) are set to defaults and chapters are cleared.

[toke]

Originally posted by tedgo
That's right, but PAL-DVDs on PC are played with an incorrect Generic-AR of strictly 16:9 (for example 1024*576) - causing by a missing overscan on the PC monitor - instead the correct PAL-PAR 16:9 (in this example about 1052*576), the resolution DVDs are played on TV. In other words: on PC an AR of 1,78:1 will be used, but the correct one from the ITU and CCIR-Standard (different numbers) is about 1,825:1.

I believe that most of computer video software programmers have never heard about eg. "EBU Tech Rec R92-1999" that defines active picture area (52 µs) to 702 pixels wide and that is also the width of 4:3/16:9 area.

So eg. square pix 16:9 PAL (from 720x576) is 1050x576.
Eg. all Adobe's and almost all the others software uses the incorrect 1024x576.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by toke
... square pix 16:9 PAL (from 720x576) is 1050x576.
Eg. all Adobe's and almost all the others software uses the incorrect 1024x576. It's like I've said many times... I have nothing against the ITU regulations and their relationship to how over-scan is calculated for displaying on analogue TV displays!

But we are moving into a totally digital age now. An age in which more and more of us will be buying and connecting devices via DVI and HDMI. An age in which over-scan will be gone... Just like it is now on your VGA display!

And for those of you watching 1280x720p and/or 1920x1080/88i high-def "square pixelled" content via an analogue connection, such as s-video or component (ie: not via VGA, DVI or HDMI). Have you ever worked out how much of the image you are not able to see because of over-scan?

Rather suprising... isn't it!


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

The ITU standard is obsolete as the old TVs it was made for...

[neo_anderson]

approximately, what bitrate and deblocking settings should be used for dvd movies when converting to nerodigital avc, for a good looking rip, and what is the difference made when that adaptive option is ticked or not , which is above deblocking strenght option!Also, are those automatic sharp and automatic smmoth options good?

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by neo_anderson
approximately, what bitrate and deblocking settings should be used for dvd movies when converting to nerodigital avc, for a good looking rip, and what is the difference made when that adaptive option is ticked or not , which is above deblocking strenght option!Also, are those automatic sharp and automatic smmoth options good?
:search:

[McoreD]

Just a quick question: Is it possible to have Nero Vision Express without Nero Burning ROM? :)

[bond]

Originally posted by McoreD
Just a quick question: Is it possible to have Nero Vision Express without Nero Burning ROM? :) sure, check the nero download site

[McoreD]

Originally posted by bond
sure, check the nero download site

cheers, bond!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yep... I ran the promo versions of NeroVision Express (without Nero Burning ROM) for many months, while testing Recode2


Cheers

[neo_anderson]

when will the new version be coming out?

[vio_man]

NeroVision Express 3

Version Number: 3.1.0.7

New Features

* Added *.mod to supported video file formats

Bugfixes

* Writing a DVD-Video project failed with Burn-at-once
* Content import problems occurred if the source media was a DVD-RAM written in VR mode
* In some rare cases the application could hang if capturing directly to a DVD-RAM media
* Exporting a video title to uncompressed *.avi format caused a crash in Windows 9x
* In some cases and with certain drives, a runtime error appeared when writing a DVD VR to a DVD-RW media
* If two files, one audio and one video, were added together to the storyboard, the application crashed
* The application sometimes hung if a "Capture to VR" process was interrupted by the user
* If a user changed the volume label while appending video titles to a VR disc, the changes were ignored
* The Windows maximize button was not enabled
* Writing a DVD-Video project to a dual layer DVD-R media failed in some rare cases
* Renamed "Record directly to VR" to "Record directly to DVD"
* In some cases the application crashed when compiling a slide show
* Capturing to HDD using the DV template was not working
* Some MPEG-2 files were out of sync when re-used for a DVD-Video project
* The application showed a 4:3 preview when recording 16:9
* Direct recording using a Mini-DV Camcorder as source was not working
* Dolby(C) Digital 5.1 encoder could produce jumps in the audio stream

[G-Slide]

Any new encoder version ?

[bourtzovlakas]

Nero Recode 2

Version Number: 2.2.6.16

(Changes from Package #2, Version 3.1.0.0c ⇒ 3.1.0.7)

Release Date: May 9, 2005
Bugfixes

* It was not possible to start Nero Recode on Windows 98 SE

[toke]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
But we are moving into a totally digital age now. An age in which more and more of us will be buying and connecting devices via DVI and HDMI. An age in which over-scan will be gone... Just like it is now on your VGA display!

Actually world isn't so easy.
There will be something like two decades crt's around this planet and it has been esimated that crt's will go to minority somewhere around 2013.
In US they are still selling "hdtv"-crt's and there will be millions of them after a decade or so.

Meanwhile there is a lot of artistic trouble for moviemakers how to frame their shots in a way that it would show as near as possible the intended compostition.

AFAIK there has been no global or regional agreements about overscan (if any) areas in hd...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi toke,

A few weeks ago I generated a couple of high-def test cards (1No 1280x720 and 1No 1920x1080) and asked some Buffalo LinkTheater and I-O DATA LinkPlayer owners to test them for over-scan with their display devices.

The results were quite alarming!

When the source images are viewed without over-scan, they should look like this: -

http://img74.echo.cx/img74/2259/1280x720overscantest8jo.th.png (http://img74.echo.cx/my.php?image=1280x720overscantest8jo.png)

http://img184.echo.cx/img184/2310/1920x1080overscantest1cx.th.png (http://img184.echo.cx/my.php?image=1920x1080overscantest1cx.png)


However, people are seeing this: -

http://img256.echo.cx/img256/6773/1080i3ue.jpg

http://img41.echo.cx/img41/7208/1080inetwork8qu.jpg


With the 1280x720 encode, around 150 pixels (75 left + 75 right) are lost to over-scan. And with the the 1920x1080 encode, around 230 pixels (115 left + 115 right) are lost to over-scan... And look how much is lost vertically


Cheers

[LiFe]

Originally posted by toke
Actually world isn't so easy.
There will be something like two decades crt's around this planet and it has been esimated that crt's will go to minority somewhere around 2013.
In US they are still selling "hdtv"-crt's and there will be millions of them after a decade or so.
Where do you get these figures from? I work in product management in a very large IT reseller, and I beleive we started selling more LCD than CRT some months ago. I'd be willing to wager that in 12 months or less, TV sales will see the same thing.

Futher, while TV's lasted a long time when the biggest feature improvement was colour, they're not going to last anywhere near as long when we're seeing features including increased viewable image, decreased size, vastly increased quality and the begining of interactivity.

AFAIK there has been no global or regional agreements about overscan (if any) areas in hd...
With DTV there shouldn't be. Part of the requirements of building a good TV should be little or no overscan as the size of a digital picture is specifically dictated.

[toke]

Originally posted by LiFe
Where do you get these figures from? I work in product management in a very large IT reseller, and I beleive we started selling more LCD than CRT some months ago. I'd be willing to wager that in 12 months or less, TV sales will see the same thing.

Well, we're living in a world where 90% of people's one months salary is smaller than price for any kinf of flat screen.
My info comes from iSuppli, DisplaySearch, FPDisplay, eeTimes, etc.

How about this:
http://www.displaybank.com/eng2004/column/show.php?c_id=1073&pg=2&device2=&sub_cat=&s_type=&s_word=
"Flat TV is predicted to represent 40% in 2009 surpassing 79.7% based on sales revenue."

I remember that average life of tv is 15 years, although this might come down a bit as quality gets worse and prices lowers, but majority of tv's in this planet will be crt's even in 2020!

...and the begining of interactivity.

I really don't see how interactivity decreases the need for overscan.

With DTV there shouldn't be. Part of the requirements of building a good TV should be little or no overscan as the size of a digital picture is specifically dictated.

Majority of people's footage in vhs, dvd, miniDV, analog broadcast and sd-dtv will be something that is intended to be watched with overscan.
So without overscan, you might see a lot of disturbance near pictures borders or you are just seeing different composition than the content makers intended.
And lots of this old material will be also watched from new fancy flat hdtv's...

[toke]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
A few weeks ago I generated a couple of high-def test cards...

Nice,
I stole them right away.

I've used a frame attached, which I made according to this
http://www.ebu.ch/CMSimages/en/tec_text_r95-2000_tcm6-4777.pdf

Why attached file does not show?

[toke]

Originally posted by McoreD
Nero Digital 6 Channels still have low audio.

Still same problem with 2.2.6.16?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by toke
Nice,
I stole them right away.

I've used a frame attached, which I made according to this
http://www.ebu.ch/CMSimages/en/tec_text_r95-2000_tcm6-4777.pdfBlimey... fame at last ;)

I'll certainly give it a read.

Originally posted by toke
Why attached file does not show? Attachments have to be checked/approved... So it takes a while!


Cheers

[JohnV]

Originally posted by toke
Still same problem with 2.2.6.16? Shouldn't be after applying this registry entry:
http://www.webalice.it/f.corriga/misc/Recode_volume_patch.reg

Should be hardcoded in the next release.

[Sergei_Esenin]

Originally posted by toke
I remember that average life of tv is 15 years, although this might come down a bit as quality gets worse and prices lowers, but majority of tv's in this planet will be crt's even in 2020!

Agreed. Many people like to think that SDTVs will be quickly replaced by larger and flatter HDTVs, but this is only true at the high end of the market. Most people will still be using old 20"-32" TVs for many, many years. Even I still have a ~12-15 year old 20" SDTV for casual use--but I also use a 100" DLP front projector every day, too. :sly:

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Toke,

I encoded your "test card" into a 10 second Mpeg2/VOB file...

Enjoy (http://82.2.167.237/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/PAL-safe_Test_Card.zip) ;)


Cheers

[neo_anderson]

does anyone else also gets error in aacenc32.dll which leads to crashing of recode 2, while encoding dvd's to mpeg-4 avc very often, or is it just me?

[Sharktooth]

You still have hardware problems.

[neo_anderson]

no way, this ain't hardware related, when i turn off audio encoding, video encodes fine, but only sometimes when i encode both audio and video, windows gives error, saying that nero recode 2 has an error and will be closed, when i go to details, it shows the file aacenc32.dll, that proves it is not a hardware problem! and this does not happens all the time, only sometimes!This is not a hardware problem!Period.:devil:

[Sharktooth]

well.. software problems are usually caused by faulty hardware. and since it appears you have problems with other softwares that were proven to be stable, maybe you need to check your hardware more deeply.
Try a new and bigger wattage PSU, in my case it fixed a lot of crashes i had on one of my PCs.

[bourtzovlakas]

New version
ftp://ftp6.de.nero.com/NVE-3.1.0.11.exe

[peteag]

New encoder included??? - currently downloading!

[kurt]

AFAIK no....
http://www.nero.com/en/NeroVision_Express_3_Release_Notes.html

[peteag]

maybe next release because atheme is currently in beta-testings here: beta-test (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=95803)

[acidsex]

Any chance that someone from Nero can address some of the features that have been requesting here and if/when we can expect them to be implemented or refused?

On my list, the ability to pause an encode and be able to close down the program and then come back later and continue it so i can free up my system for other tasks instead of having to wait through a 16 hour encode. Another is the ability to stitch together multiple files and have them output to one file. Another is more control over the target bit rate without having to use the slider or arrow keys on the keyboard. Last one for me, the ability to disable auto resize to all files on the list or the ability to apply a resolution to all files without having to manually go to the video tab and change each file's resolution.

Thank you and I am sure others will repeat the features that are sorely lacking in an otherwise excellent product.

[haagi_de]

Hi,
got a different kind of problem and couldn't really find a topic on it. Hope I didn't oversee something obivous...
I've been trying to redo some DVDs, which means that I want to add some titles of different DVDs onto one.
I got all the titles into Nero Recode, selected language and subtitles, but when I play the files it created in ShowTime I can't skip to the next track/title, only FF.
What did I do wrong?
Is there a better way (software) do do this?
I don't need (want) menu screens, just the video.

hope you can help me,
thanx
haagi_de

[neo_anderson]

i have run into a small problem, i have some .mp4 files encoded using nero recode 2 with aac audio/avc video and subtitles, all made using recode 2! the files play fine in nero showtime, but when i try to play them in zoom player or media player classic, it gives an error in "Graphedt.exe", when i see more details , it says "ntdll.dll" has an error!and the player crashes, i am using vsfilter 2.36+haali media splitter latest version, what seems to be the problem, can anyone help me with this?

[acidsex]

Ok, one last request. If we are lucky enough to get the ability to stitch multiple files and have them outputted to one single mp4 file, any chance we can have each file as a chapter in the final mp4 file?

If these things get implemented, I will never ask for another feature ever.

[bourtzovlakas]

NeroVision Express 3.1.0.14a

http://httpdl.nero.com/NVE-3.1.0.14a.exe

[acidsex]

NeroVision Express 3.1.0.14a

http://httpdl.nero.com/NVE-3.1.0.14a.exe

any idea what the changes are?

[bourtzovlakas]

No...
but i don't thing there is anything more than bugfixes, since it 's been only week from the previous release(3.1.0.14)....

[neo_anderson]

please can john (from nero) tell us if there are any video quality, speed optimizations, or audio encoding optimizations or improvemnts or subtitle improvemnets or somethin' like that new in the new release? also, does nero burning rom new version (6.6.0.15) has any aac encoding improvemnts or new aac stuff when compared to 6.6.0.14?

[JohnV]

neo_anderson: I tell when there's something substantial. Development emphasis has been a bit more on our main product recently rather than on ND, but it should change soon.
http://www.nero.com/us/Nero_Recode_2_Release_Notes.html

[McoreD]

Hi, it would be great to see a Comparision Table for NeroDigitalPro-3.1.0.14a.exe and NVE-3.1.0.14a.exe in the Nero website. Thanks, McoreD.

[neo_anderson]

hey mcored, ur dvd to wmv -9 links are down, why?

[DCBA-25]

For about 3 months that i started backing up my DVDs collection to Nero Digital format. Thanks for the nice suite of applications, and for the support on this forum too..

About me problem:
I use my TV to see my movies, and i do this by putting my ATi Overlay Control Panel switched to 'Home Theater'. This makes the output on the TV Out fullscreen when video is beeing played.
The thing with ShowTime is that the subtitles are displayed only on the normal display, the TV Out (Overlay) only has the video (in full screen), subtitles are missing....
I think ShowTime is not drawing subtitles to the overlay surface.. Could this be the case? Could this be quickfixed?

[multiblitz]

I would have as well a request to the improvement of Nero recode. Take Matrix revolutions and take the scene with the oracle in minute 5 and 6. The old lady is sitting in front of a green wall. If you put the scene through Nero digital, the green wall starts to live its own life with significant artifacts, no matter how much bandwith or quality options you choose. Once I saw that, I stepped away from my plan to build an archive with Nero digital as the loss is more than I want.

[DCBA-25]

multiblitz: It's funny you say that just with Matrix Revolutions! I've encoded that movie using Nero Recode 2 with Cinema - AVC 2 Pass Profile, its more than ok for a 1400Mb file! :)

When i tried the first times to watch the movie, i thought the whole encoding was a waste! In Nero ShowTime the movie is like black & white with artefacts (from previous pictures) sorte of moving on screen, the whole movie... But... When i opened with ffdshow video decoder the movie is ok except in the first seconds and the credits text where great blocks appear around text...
Is this a ShowTime (and to a lesser degree, a ffdshow) bug? Or is the file wrong in some way?

[multiblitz]

I use Zoomplayer & Nero Recode decoder and ffdshow, but not ffdshow alone as decoder...

[McoreD]

hey mcored, ur dvd to wmv -9 links are down, why?
Having domain problems. :)

Btw, really curious to know what are differences between Nero Digital Pro and Nero Digital.

[neo_anderson]

i see nero digital has been updated to 3.1.0.16, anyone knows if recode has been updated?

[daveidmx]

Hmmm...
Upgraded from NVE-3.1.0.11 (Recode 2.2.6.16) to NVE-3.1.0.16 (2.2.6.17b) and this started happening:

Nero filters ("old" 2.2.6.16 or "new" 2.2.6.17b) will not properly play back AVCs encoded by the new version (2.2.6.17b) when rendering to VMR9 on my machine. It seems only to be broken when encoded by the new version and played back by nero filters through VMR9. FFDshow will play the otherwise broken streams correctly.

The symptom is this: It looks like the chroma planes are offset down by maybe 16 pixels, with the top portion of the display becoming dreaded green artifacts.

By reverting back to 2.2.6.16, new encodes (with 2.2.6.16) will play correctly. Encodes done with the 2.2.6.17b still will not play correctly on 2.2.6.16.

Here's the complete table of my experiments:
Encode | Decode | Renderer | Result
2.2.6.16 2.2.6.16 VMR9 Good
2.2.6.16 2.2.6.17b VMR9 Good
2.2.6.17b 2.2.6.17b Overlay Good
2.2.6.17b 2.2.6.17b VMR7 Good
2.2.6.17b 2.2.6.17b VMR9 Bad
2.2.6.17b 2.2.6.16 VMR9 Bad
2.2.6.17b ffdshow VMR9 Good

I am playing back through ZoomPlayer 4.50 and 4.51 on winxp. Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop w/ nvidia geforce fx go5200, latest available (6.14.10.6742) drivers.

Anyone else run into problems like this? What was changed between versions?

[eqbal]

Nero Recode 2.2.6.17b:
ftp://ftp.nero.com/NeroDigital_RC-2.2.6.17b.exe

[neo_anderson]

JohnV, i have completed my BE (bachelor of Engineering), and would like to join Nero, please can u tell me what skill sets/qualification u require?

[JohnV]

neo_anderson: Check your private message.

[fight2win]

Please can anyone provide the volume fix registry patch for nero 7.0.1.2?

[Sharktooth]

http://www.webalice.it/f.corriga/misc/Recode_volume_patch.reg

[CruNcher]

JohnV what is the main purpose of the (Mpeg-2 Filter) "Nero HD Video Decoder" NeVideoHD.ax and differences to the normal Video and DVD Decoder ? btw congrats to the new H.264 Decoder much faster now :)

[Hyper Shinchan]

I cannot download the update right now, but can anyone say me if there is again PSP support? Why in the first release included in Nero 7 there isn't PSP profile anymore??? AVC support in the future?
Tnx

[guada 2]

Nero Recode 2.2.6.17c

Any news about this version?

[CruNcher]

Any news about this version?


Nothing yet but the Productversion indicates that most of the filters are even older (codebase) then the Nero 7 Release filters strange.
Is it really that hard to keep all Generic Filters sync for every Product release/update :P

[bond]

Nothing yet but the Productversion indicates that most of the filters are even older (codebase) then the Nero 7 Release filters strange.
Is it really that hard to keep all Generic Filters sync for every Product release/update :Pnot if you want to have nero7 filters only be useable in nero tools and not other players, but cant afford (or are legally not allowed) to limit the useability of old products (nero6) to nero-only stuff

[Kurtnoise]

Nero Recode 2.2.8.5 (http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/nero7-up.php)

Release Date: February 06, 2006
Changes/Bugfixes

* Added new profiles to support the Apple iPod
* Added support to add and edit subtitles for the Nero Digital file format

[LiFe]

UUURRGG! Where are some decent updates?? Where is high profile?? It's been months!!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Nero Recode 2.2.8.5 (http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/nero7-up.php)

Release Date: February 06, 2006And there's the rub....

If it was "just" Recode 2.2.8.5, I might be tempted to install it. But it's not... it's the entire "Nero 7 Premium" package.

And as an end-user I can't see the point of having to download and install such a massive piece of software (106.77MB), when I only want Recode 2.

If anyone from Ahead/Nero/NeroDigital read this thread.... Can we please have an up-to date version of the "Nero Digital 30-Day Trial" (http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/download.php)? As Recode2 is a far more convenient 15MB ;)


Cheers

[bond]

bundling is a far more efficient way to force your software on the users. after all thats why m$ also bundles stuff like a mediaplayer, a firewall, a browser aso to their os ;)

[kurt]

not only to force. for newbies and the "normal" pc-users it is easier to have everything bundled - even if they don't need it :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

bundling is a far more efficient way to force your software on the users. after all thats why m$ also bundles stuff like a mediaplayer, a firewall, a browser aso to their os ;)It's also a way of alienating old customers who prefer choice!

As far a I'm aware, Nero don't even offer users the ability to select the individual applications they require (there are 18No now), during the installation process. Even Micro$oft Office provides this ;)


Cheers

[setarip_old]

As far a I'm aware, Nero don't even offer users the ability to select the individual applications they require (there are 18No now), during the installation process.That's incorrect, at least through the v.6 series...(I've seen no reason to "upgrade" to v.7)

[bond]

not only to force. for newbies and the "normal" pc-users it is easier to have everything bundled - even if they don't need it :)bundling is in a lot of countries illegal. its a way to try to roll your marketdomination in one market over to a totally different one too

in the case of m$ bundling windows media player with the os without giving the user the choice whether he wants wmp or not made the EU to fine m$ with 500 million €
the idea behind this is that m$ controls the os market, by bundling wmp to it you make nearly everyone be able to play wm content too which can result in that lots of content providers will use wm as everyone can play it without hassle -> if everything works out in favour of m$ the result would be that m$ used its power in the os market to control the digital media market too, which is, as i said, an illegal method in a lot of countries

[kurt]

@ Bond:
I see your point when it comes to Microsoft. But I think most of the end-users (who normally buy their "Multimedia PC" in a supermarket) really don't care about that. For them the principle thing is, they can watch their movies and burn it without any hassle. Or one is able use the build_in tv-card in the easiest way.

For my part I stick also with nero 6 like setarip_old, coz I only need it to burn sth. When it comes to encoding there are prettier alternatives :)

[acidsex]

I am steadily losing confidence in Nero as a product. The entire 7 release from the start has been one big cluster f*ck. From retail being out at lest a month before users could web upgrade to the entire slew of bugs that have introduced with each new "update" to the promised updating tool that would allow users not to have to d/l the entire package for every release to the missing High Profile codec.

Nero used to be on top of its game. Every month had an update and the programs were rock solid. Now with the attitude of trying to be "everything", I feel they have spread themselves too thin. The last update has taken almost a month and a half to come out and very little was fixed.

With programs like Stax and MeGUI, Nero had better get their heads on straight and provide a better product otherwise they will lose loyal customers to those programs as they become nearly as easy as Recode to backup to H.264 AVC. If it werent for the CD/DVD burning, I would dump them at this point. I already needlessly dump my money on software that companies dont fix the bugs as often (Adobe and M$), I definitely dont need another (Nero).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Indeed... It's always been my opinion that in order for Recode2 to succeed it should be made available and sold as a separate product. And at a price that is competitive with DivX's products!

This in no way means it can't be bundled within Nero7's $60.00 package too!


Cheers

[bond]

actually if i understood it right "nerodigital pro" is exactly that: a standalone nerodigital creation tool
the only problem is, its outdated (the last version seems to be from summer 2005)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yep, you're right on both counts!

I feel it's very re-miss of Ahead not to keep "NeroDigital Pro" up-to date, provide monthly trials and/or offer it for sale.

[Scarpad]

Indeed... It's always been my opinion that in order for Recode2 to succeed it should be made available and sold as a separate product. And at a price that is competitive with DivX's products!

This in no way means it can't be bundled within Nero7's $60.00 package too!


Cheers

Well they did that with NeroDigital Pro but they left it unupdated. I use Nero 6 and Would like to Get the Update to Recode 2 for the Ipod AVC profiles but I'm not going to Update to the Headache that is Nero 7 to do it. I'd Upgrade to Nero Digital Pro Standalone if they Decently Supported it.