Philips DVP720SA/2 MT1389EE

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by thop
I never noticed that. What's the error exactly like? Does it repeat the subtitles or the frame (or both)?

Sometimes it repeats a frame and causes a jump in the video, but not always. I cant figure out whats the reason, seems to be random. Someimes it happens very often, sometimes never. But it was there with all firmware versions.
If you dont see it dont search for it ;)

Originally posted by mezzanine
What tool is for that conversion (RGB->YUV) ?
Do i have to give a certain name to the .IFO ?
thanx

You can download it here: link (ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/yuv.exe)
But its VERY poor. It needs Microsoft .net, crashes if you do anything unexpected and wont give you really correct YUV values, but its enough for subtitles.
Just copy the palette line from the .idx file (but without the leading "palette:") into the RGB Farbwerte box, hit the "Umrechnen" button and you will get the YUV values.

For example it will convert this:
000000, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, ffffff, 828282, dcdcdc, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282
into this:
108080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, eb8080, 828080, dc8080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080

For playback you will need:
moviename.ifo
moviename.sub
moviename.idx
moviename.avi

You can also add additional .srt files to that.

[lordyu]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
For playback you will need:
moviename.ifo
moviename.sub
moviename.idx
moviename.avi

Could someone please provide a very short avi with all the subtitle files (especially the ifo) that work so that we can use as an example for creating our own or for testing when shopping for a player? Maybe off-site or hosted by doom9.org? Would be very useful for members. :)

Cheers.

[mezzanine]

I wonder if the original *.sup files work!:rolleyes:

[mezzanine]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
Sometimes it repeats a frame and causes a jump in the video, but not always. I cant figure out whats the reason, seems to be random. Someimes it happens very often, sometimes never. But it was there with all firmware versions.
If you dont see it dont search for it ;)



You can download it here: link (ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/yuv.exe)
But its VERY poor. It needs Microsoft .net, crashes if you do anything unexpected and wont give you really correct YUV values, but its enough for subtitles.
Just copy the palette line from the .idx file (but without the leading "palette:") into the RGB Farbwerte box, hit the "Umrechnen" button and you will get the YUV values.

For example it will convert this:
000000, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, ffffff, 828282, dcdcdc, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282, 828282
into this:
108080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, eb8080, 828080, dc8080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080, 828080

For playback you will need:
moviename.ifo
moviename.sub
moviename.idx
moviename.avi

You can also add additional .srt files to that.

Can i find the sourcecode for yuv? i might be able to fix it..

[thop]

mezzanine, please see here: http://www.fourcc.org/fccyvrgb.php

with zhnujims tool i converted about 20 subtitles and only 2 gave wrong results/colors.

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by mezzanine
Can i find the sourcecode for yuv? i might be able to fix it..

Well, heres the source code: link (ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/yuv.zip)
But most likely its better you dont use it :D

Its a Sharpdevelop Project, dont know what you need so i zipped the whole project.

[mezzanine]

# The original palette of the DVD
palette: 0000e1, e83f07, 000000, fdfdfd, bebebe, d629e1, c46839, fcffc5, 11eb10, f3cdd9, 0fd80e, faff1a, 00006c, cc0ae9, d2ab0f, 730972

# Custom colors (transp idxs and the four colors)
custom colors: OFF, tridx: 0000, colors: 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000


Ok, now tell me do you want to change these color values in the .idx or in the .ifo file ?

[mezzanine]

Ok i fixed it..

http://mezzanine1.dyndns.org

Just open your *.idx file and press convert..

[thop]

It'd be nice if the tool supported drag&drop :) Also would you mind making the source, or at least the forumla that does the rgb2yuv, public? I'd like to make a python script that i can use with linux.

ps. and it actually appears all conversions were correct, just that i made a mistake and converted the subtitles twice by mistake.

[Zhnujm]

Nice program, mezzanine, much more comfortable this way.

Thanks :cool:

[mezzanine]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
Nice program, mezzanine, much more comfortable this way.

Thanks :cool:

Thanks... It's gonna take part in my xvid gui (like autoGK):


http://mezzanine1.homeip.net/fusion.gif

[mezzanine]

Originally posted by thop
It'd be nice if the tool supported drag&drop :) Also would you mind making the source, or at least the forumla that does the rgb2yuv, public? I'd like to make a python script that i can use with linux.

ps. and it actually appears all conversions were correct, just that i made a mistake and converted the subtitles twice by mistake.


I haven't used drag&drop from explorer yet and i don't have much time now, as soon as i fix it i will let you know.

The formula is exactly the one used in yuv.exe (i just converted it to vb.net) and explained at http://www.fourcc.org/fccyvrgb.php

[new_age]

For DVP720 and LX3900 I made new firmware mods:

- DIVX subtitles: non transparent, white font with black outline
- DIVX subtitles: widened subtitle area (safe action area = 90% of full screen)
- DIVX subtitles: replaced both font (Standard /CP1250/, Cyrillic /CP1251/)
- Full width file browser
- No filename extension cut
- Separate file browser font (FONT 14-15)
- Replaced OSD font
- 21 different OSD Languages
- Press & Hold OK (or PLAY) button on remote to have GOTO functionality (1x SELECT chapter/file?, 2x GOTO time)
- Press & Hold >>| button for Fast Forward (undocumented feature of original firmware)
- Press & Hold |<< button for Fast Rewind (undocumented feature of original firmware)

Download:

DVP720 v33 New Age v10 (http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_DVP720_v33_NewAge_v10.rar)

LX3900 v36 New Age v11 (http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_LX3900_v36_NewAge_v11.rar)

[thop]

Originally posted by new_age
- Full width file browser
- No filename extension cut
Wow, I own the wrong player :(

[Sharro@Home]

Hi Philips and Mediatek,

You guys owe Cherry and OpenMtk a few thousands euros :)

All the guys in your (yes you... Philips and Mediatek) software dept. are sittin doing nothing or the wrong thing.

Be Public, be thankful... Christmas is coming.

To Cherry, OpenMtk and anybody else that contributed:

A Million :thanks: !!

Sharro

[Zhnujm]

Yes, looks pretty cool :cool:
And with new_ages detailed docs about the remote codes im at least able to patch the Yamaha firmware to allow goto function.

Many thanks. :)

[mezzanine]

Is it possible to make all the changes (GOTO etc) to version 31 of the firmware ?
V33 stammers with subtitles on (DVD and DivX)

[new_age]

Originally posted by mezzanine
Is it possible to make all the changes (GOTO etc) to version 31 of the firmware ?
V33 stammers with subtitles on (DVD and DivX)

It is possible but I wont. No time no mood.

[thop]

Does the full width file browser actually mean that you can see more than 16 characters file names?

[new_age]

Originally posted by thop
Does the full width file browser actually mean that you can see more than 16 characters file names?

Check these images:

http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/PhilipsLX3900_V36_NewAge_V9_FileBrowser.jpg

These are the upcoming next release:

http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_NewAge_V12b11_1.jpg
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_NewAge_V12b11_2.jpg
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_NewAge_V12b11_3.jpg
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_NewAge_V12b11_4.jpg
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_NewAge_V12b11_5.jpg
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_NewAge_V12b11_6.jpg

[filledin]

Hiall,

I remember that it is possible to have multiple subtitle files per avi, and I also remember there is a naming trick to that. I tried:

movie.avi
movie.eng.srt
movie.gre.srt

But that didn't show any sub at all...

(ifo/idx/sub + second .srt works though)

I know I have seen this somewhere, I searched this thread but couldn't find anything. Help, please?

fi

[lordyu]

Originally posted by filledin
Hiall,

I remember that it is possible to have multiple subtitle files per avi, and I also remember there is a naming trick to that. I tried:

movie.avi
movie.eng.srt
movie.gre.srt

But that didn't show any sub at all...

(ifo/idx/sub + second .srt works though)

I know I have seen this somewhere, I searched this thread but couldn't find anything. Help, please?

fi
Maybe what you saw was for the Pioneer DV-470 and DV-575A? With the new official firmware both can now do what you're talking about plus no need for .ifo to play .idx/.sub subtitles. I'm not sure if any of the custom firmware for Philips DVP720SA here or at http://mtz.softpedia.com/ could do the same yet.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86990

[filledin]

ok, I see.

I forgot to say that I have MTZ latest firmware installed. It might be that the dots confuse the player. I will try _eng and _gre tonite.

BTW, Merry X-Mas everyone!

[LightningFire]

Originally posted by filledin
Hiall,

I remember that it is possible to have multiple subtitle files per avi, and I also remember there is a naming trick to that. I tried:

movie.avi
movie.eng.srt
movie.gre.srt

But that didn't show any sub at all...

(ifo/idx/sub + second .srt works though)

I know I have seen this somewhere, I searched this thread but couldn't find anything. Help, please?

fi

I have used multiple subtitles with the DVP720SA on firmware V24 I believe it is, by naming them
movie.avi
movie.01.srt
movie.02.srt

And that worked. Maybe it is the length of the code after movie. that bothers him or the fact that it is non-numerical code that you used.

An argument for the latter is that the player will show the selected subtitle file when switching as: 01/02 with the latter indicating the total number of subtitle files.

Greetings and
merry christmas to all.

[Zhnujm]

movie.eng.avi, movie.deu.avi also work for me.

[new_age]

New Age V12 firmwares for DVP720 and LX3900/3950 are out.

Download:

For DVP720:

http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_DVP720_v33_NewAge_v12.rar

For LX3900/3950:

http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/Philips_LX3900_v36_NewAge_v12.rar

Sample images:

http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/PhilipsLX3900_v36_NewAge_v12_sample_1.png
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/PhilipsLX3900_v36_NewAge_v12_sample_2.png
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/PhilipsLX3900_v36_NewAge_v12_sample_3.png
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/PhilipsLX3900_v36_NewAge_v12_sample_4.png
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/PhilipsLX3900_v36_NewAge_v12_sample_5.png
http://jatekosok.speier.hu/pub/PhilipsLX3900_v36_NewAge_v12_sample_6.png

Feature list/history for both firmwares:

History:

V12:

- Exenteded current foldername length
- character codes 127..255 and space are shown in filenames
- MP3 TAG Info placed below file browser
- character codes 127..255 are shown in mp3 tag infos

V10/11:

- DIVX subtitles: widened subtitle area (safe action area = 90% of full screen)
- Full width file browser
- No filename extension cut
- Separate file browser font (FONT 14-15)
- 21 different OSD Languages
- Press & Hold OK (or PLAY) button on remote to have GOTO functionality (1x SELECT chapter/file?, 2x GOTO time)
- Press & Hold >>| button for Fast Forward (undocumented feature of original firmware)
- Press & Hold |<< button for Fast Rewind (undocumented feature of original firmware)

V1-V9:

- DIVX subtitles: non transparent, white font with black outline
- DIVX subtitles: replaced both font (Standard /CP1250/, Cyrillic /CP1251/)
- Replaced OSD font

[dpom86]

It seems the DVP720 is becomming quite a mature player now, thanks to New_Age and OpenMtk :D !

But it wont play 1024x576 Xvids, right?
It seems that that leaves me with a sigma-chipset player?
If it can play 1024x576 I think I'll buy it, else... I'll keep looking :( .

PS. Realy like the firmware now ;) , it's the reason I wont to buy it :D !

[Sharro]

New Age,

Thanks for this valuable Christmas gift :)

Now, my question, you've seen what mozarella has been doing with the PHI and PIO fw's, and looks like he got around subtitle stuttering (I haven't tried...but I will).

Is there any chance to implement it on you'r FW? Just dreaming...

All the best,


Sharro

[new_age]

Originally posted by Sharro
New Age,

Thanks for this valuable Christmas gift :)

Now, my question, you've seen what mozarella has been doing with the PHI and PIO fw's, and looks like he got around subtitle stuttering (I haven't tried...but I will).

Is there any chance to implement it on you'r FW? Just dreaming...

All the best,


Sharro

I didn't see any solution for shuttering yet.

[Sharro]

Originally posted by new_age
I didn't see any solution for shuttering yet.

The solution came from the merged fw between Pioneer and Philips.

Just my dream to see it all together in a close to perfection firware.

All the best,

Thanks

Sharro

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by Sharro
The solution came from the merged fw between Pioneer and Philips.

Just my dream to see it all together in a close to perfection firware.

All the best,

Thanks

Sharro

Theres no proof that it really works until theres a merged firmware that allows avi playback.
Lets hope they get it to work.

[mezzanine]

Only solution to switch back to V31. I don't know if it's only my 720SA but with V33 and every modified firmware so far i get seriously lots of stammering (DVD).

[filledin]

Hiall,

back to my earlier post. Now I think I tried everything I can think of:

movie.avi movie.01.srt movie.02.srt
movie.avi movie01.srt movie02.srt
movie.avi movie.el.srt movie.en.srt
movie.avi movie_el.srt movie_en.srt
movie.avi movie.gre.srt movie.eng.srt


nothing works. Pressing subtitles I only get the not available sign in the upper left corner. idx/sub + one srt does work though (and also multiple languages in idx/sub).

This is with the mtz firmware (which is based on new age's v10, which in turn is based on philips' v33).

I remember it did work though. Just can't remember if it was with the original (probably v24), or the Philips update (v33). (I had for a week or two the philips update).

a bit unnerving...

[Sharro]

Does anybody has a recent experience with V31 ?

What problems did it had ?

Could the changes done to V33 be done to V31?

Sorry but I've never tested it.

All the best,


Sharro

[mezzanine]

V31 DVD Subtitles are perfect, no stammering or anything.

[Sharro]

Originally posted by mezzanine
V31 DVD Subtitles are perfect, no stammering or anything.

Thx for the info.

New_Age could you try some of your subtitle patches in this fw (center + white font + black outline)? If the differences are not too big compared to V33.

An Excellent 2005 for everybody... may it be the year of the perfect fw for MT1389.

All the best,


Sharro

[Sharro@Home]

Originally posted by mezzanine
V31 DVD Subtitles are perfect, no stammering or anything.

How about Xvid subtitles ?

All the best,

Sharro

[mezzanine]

I think xvid subtitles are smooth too.

[Sharro]

Originally posted by mezzanine
I think xvid subtitles are smooth too.

Could you check carefully ? Before we can even think of trying anything with this fw ...

All the best,

Sharro

[new_age]

Please try it Sharro because you're the best checking shuttering. ;)
If no shuttering I'll do some basic modifications.

[Sharro@Home]

It is much less evident, almost unoticeable (shorter stutter duration), more random BUT... lines are cut in the end and not fully displayed. Also there are no trayling blocks on my Star Wars intro (present since V33 official).

Another disappointment...

Subtitles are centered white non transparent but not outlined.

Will we ever get non stuttering divx subtitles now that we've come so far ?

All the best,

Sharro

PS: upgrading to C/NA V12... stutters (blaim Philips everyday)...but looks so damn well!! :-)

[Zhnujm]

For me V31 and V33 looks the same (AVI subtitles).
Its always one duplicated frame.

btw, does anbody know if the subtitle centering is in the 8032 code or in the ARM code ?

[thop]

i've never seen stuttering, only subtitle flickering.

[new_age]

Can anyone test V24 firmware regarding shuttering?

[Zhnujm]

Seems to be the same.
I have absolutely no idea why its visible for some people and for some not, i already thought about muxing/codec/audio/resolution and tried so many combinations. But then, its sometimes even visible with dvd subtitles...

Im really out of ideas.

Only thing i can say is that it seems that it happens with players that have centered subtitles. Seen this with the Xoro 311pro (beta firmware), Philips 720, Yamaha550 and now with a modified firmware for my elta 8883 that has centered subtitles. Before, without centered subs it was not visible.
Maybe the code for centering uses to much time ?

But that would not explain why it also happens with DVD subs and sub/idx files.

[new_age]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
Seems to be the same.
I have absolutely no idea why its visible for some people and for some not, i already thought about muxing/codec/audio/resolution and tried so many combinations. But then, its sometimes even visible with dvd subtitles...

Im really out of ideas.

Only thing i can say is that it seems that it happens with players that have centered subtitles. Seen this with the Xoro 311pro (beta firmware), Philips 720, Yamaha550 and now with a modified firmware for my elta 8883 that has centered subtitles. Before, without centered subs it was not visible.
Maybe the code for centering uses to much time ?

But that would not explain why it also happens with DVD subs and sub/idx files.

It has nothing to do with alignment I think.

I tried subs with top+left align on philips and still shuttering. And my Yamada6600 with top+center doesn't shutter. (Philips originally have bottom+center)

My opinion is that the movie plackback is stopped for a moment while the subtitle is drawn. If your movie is full with movement than it will be noticable very much. But if the movie have a lot of static scenes you won't notice it.

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by new_age
My opinion is that the movie plackback is stopped for a moment while the subtitle is drawn. If your movie is full with movement than it will be noticable very much. But if the movie have a lot of static scenes you won't notice it.

But its not that its always stopped. You can even rewind a scene and sometimes its smooth, sometimes not. I captured the players output so its easy to spot.

Or maybe this stopping is only visible (duplicated frame) when its in the near of a screen refresh ?
Thats would maybe explain the randomness.

[Sharro@Home]

Try:

http://members.netmadeira.com/carlos.santos/teste/Star.Wars.Intro.rar

Try to find randomness... I never did, I always saw stuttering at the same time/frame.

Please confirm if you see trailing block on the image letters (not on the subtitles (these blocks are present from V33 official beyond)

For me it has something to do with buffers ...

All the best,

Sharro

[Zhnujm]

Nice, now we have a test file.
I will check if the stuttering is always at the same time.

And yes there are some color blocks, looks like a not working xvid custom matrice for me. I thought this was solved some time ago.

[Sharro]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
... a not working xvid custom matrice for me. I thought this was solved some time ago.

Good old HVS-Best quant matrix.

Blocks not present in V31.

Blocks are present in the encodes of the three episodes intros.

All the best,


Sharro