CCE speeds

[poopity poop]

If I'm encoding from a huffYUV avi (which you all shoudl for multiple passes unles you are stupid), would CCE specifially take advantage of a dual processor system? Or would I just be wasting my money?

[HErETiC]

This is my setup:

Abit KT7A
Athlon T-Bird 1.4
768MB pc-133 Micron SDRAM (266FSB)
I use a 20GB ATA66 Maxtor HD

I only do 16:9 NTSC DVDs

I usually get around 1.330

H

[poopity poop]

speed is also relative to other processes going on. We shoudl list huffy avi speeds into CCE to as much consistancy as one can get here

[markrb]

poopity poop let me put it this way. If you are using DVD2SVCD then no it will not take advantage of dual CPU's for the majority of the time.
If you are not using DVD2SVCD you are in the wrong forum and the answer is irrelevant.

Mark

[poopity poop]

ha ha I never use all in one programs, most suck and you can't get the options you want out of them. click on my encoding methods link on the bottom, that's how I encode, except at the uncompressed avi step I just go to CCESP for SVCD's:)
I was just posting in this forum because of the dual processor threads

[Pabster]

My 2.4GHz Northwood Pentium 4 smokes. :D

16:9 NTSC (the vast majority which I work with) hum along anywhere from 1.9 to 2.2. This is with SimpleResize and the SSE2 MPEG2DEC filter.

4:3 averages 1.5, sometimes a bit higher.

[Donabis]

I have a Dell Dimension 4300 1.6GHz P4 / 256 20GB 7200Rpm
on XP Home Ed. i get about 1.160 Avg. CCE encoding

[poopity poop]

I hope speeds listed here are all the same resolution comeing from the same source via the same way, doing the same calculations, compressing to the same bitrate....
Which they are not...so all of this is meaningless.

[markrb]

I have to disagree with this being meaningless. If you take the whole thread and try to make an assumption then yes it would be meaningless. However if you take the time and split the posts along lines then you can actually pull some meaningful data from it.

Also if you have read all the posts then you would see that you point has been brought up before an yet the thread still lives.

I am curious though that if you think DVD2SVCD sucks(as it is an all-in-one solution) as you so stated above why to you continue to post and ask questions in a forum dedicated to it's use?

Mark

[poopity poop]

naw it doens't suck. It uses the same methods I do, but jsut all in one. I just prefer to have mroe control over each and every step. I extract my ac3 using dvd2avi, then convert it to a wav using azid, then to whatever audio format I need, little things like that. DVD2SVCD is fine, I just liek more control is all, I like to know what is going on at every step

[FAMOUS]

hello,

i have got an intel celeron 633@790, 256 mb ram, i get around 0.48 with cce.

[falcor]

tbird 1gig 192 meg sdram usually ~ 0.9x as low as 0.39 gonna get a new mobo, a stack of ddram and an ath 1800 or faster


:D

[anarco]

CPU Ram Rate min Rate max
1.4 AYHJA 1582.15 MHz 512 1,37
AMD 1,4 Ghz 256 0,9 1,1
AMD 850 512 0,37
AMD 850 512 0,37
AMD K/ 1Ghz 256 0,6 0,65
Athlon 1,1 256 0,5 0,6
Athlon 1,33 512 0,8
Athlon 1.2 256 0,8
Athlon 1.2@1.4 768 0,77 0,78
Athlon 1.4@1507 512 1,3
Athlon 1200@1400 512 1,1 1,3
Athlon 1333 512 0,9
Athlon 1500 XP+ 512 0,999 1
Athlon 1700 XP+ 1,3
Athlon 1700 XP+ 512 1,63
Athlon 1800 XP+ 512 1,63 2,4
Athlon 1800 XP+ 512 1,4 2,63
Athlon 1Ghz 256 0,6 0,73
Athlon 1Ghz 512 0,76
Athlon 750 256 0,6 0,7
Athlon 900 384 0,7
Athlon 900 128 0,6
Athlon 900 256 0,6
Athlon Thunderbird 1.4 256 1,123
Athlon XP 1.4 512 1,04
Athlon XP 1600+ 512 1,37
Athlon XP 1700+ 256 1,5
Duron 800@1000 512 0,72 0,81
P3 1 Ghz 512 0,56
P3 1 Ghz Dual 256 0,76
P3 450 256 0,34
P3 500 256 0,3
P3 600 384 0,5 0,7
P3 600 128 0,5
P3 700 256 0,5
P3 750@825 512 0,5 0,6
P3 800 512 0,6
P3 900 Laptop 384 0,5
P4 1.4 512 1 1,3
P4 1.5 512 0,8
Tbird 1.2 Ghz 512 0,825 1,117


These are like the 2/3 of the results posted ... then I got lazy ;-)
my one is currently running at 1,761 on a 4:3 PAL with lower priority... the max ever was about 2,65 on CBR cartoon athlon XP 1800+ / 512 MB

But I think the statistic is kinda pointless anyway, it doesn´t tell more than we already knew... a slower machine takes more time a faster less ;)

[sehh]

2 hour movie encodes in 5.5 hours with
4 CCE passes, and no downsampling. CCE
speed is x1.670.

Asus A7M266-D Dual Athlon
2xAthlonMP 1.2 (oc'ed to 1.3 right now)
Adaptec 29160 64bit PCI Ultra160
IBM Ultrastar 36LZX U160 hd
256mb PC2100 DDR Registered memory

One important thing to mention is that
CCE takes only 63% cpu usage while encoding!

So the full potential of the machine is
never reached.

[piggie_gp]

Here is my system

cpu: celeron 533 fcpga, overclocked to 900mhz
mainboard: soyo 6ba+ running at 112mhz fsb
ram: 1 stick of 256mb pc133 cas timing at 2-2-2

Curretly DVD2svcd 1.08 b1

Always use: simple resize

For progressive film dvd(forced film on)
maximum = 0.91
average = 0.84

For NTSC interlaced dvd requiring ivtc or smart deinterlace
maximum = 0.5
average = 0.45

Will upgrade to either p4 1.6 northwood with ddr ram (hoping I can oc it to at least 2.2ghz)
or
Athlon XP 1800+. Kinda worried about the heat problem for AMD cpu in general.

[student]

Hi everyone,
I had a AMD 800 Classic (slot 1) and it was too slow for CCE. Now I am going to upgrade to AMD 1800 + with DDR. I want to have you suggestions on which M/B to use for it. Which is the best M/B for this purpose. If as everyone says VIA is a trouble then isnt it good to use a AMD 761 chipset board(like Abit KG7 -Raid) OR else. Please have you say.
Thanks in Advance.

[rixkix]

p4 1.6A @ 2.1
Usually between 1.35 - 1.5

Bicubic resize
MSI 645 Ultra
256MB PC2700 (166mhz DDR)

[Patjen]

Athlon 1800XP (not Overclocked)
512 Mb
MSI K7T266Pro2-RU mainboard
2x30Gb IBM Deskstar in RAID configuration

Always PAL encoding, 5pass VBR, bicubic resize

16:9 CCE Speed = 1.57



(Give me AMD over Intel anytime....)

[buba king]

RT 1.6 maxes out @ 1.8 on very clean sources, TS after resize!

spec below..

[priss]

PIII 500 / 512mb RAM = 0.3

[dar1us]

16:9 - 1.359 on AthlonXP 1500+ w/256 meg o' DDR PC2100 ram, other stick of 256 is busted and sent 2 crucial - DAMN YOU... RETURN

-d@r1us

[Sofliberty]

Celeron Tualatin 1,3@1482 / 789 mb SDRAM / via 694x chipset / WinXP pro / IBM HD 80 G @ 7500 rpm

0,71-0,85

No CCE crashes

BTW: Is intels chipset faster?

[FakeSky]

Amd Athlon 1.4ghz, 256 DDR ram, 2x 40gig ATA100

with CCE I get a stedy 1.35-1.4, and unless I run
alot of apps in the background, it never dips under that.

[Bigbucks1959]

Nice, what kind of times you get on a 2 hour movie..4 passes...

Thx,
Phil K.



Originally posted by Pabster
My 2.4GHz Northwood Pentium 4 smokes. :D

16:9 NTSC (the vast majority which I work with) hum along anywhere from 1.9 to 2.2. This is with SimpleResize and the SSE2 MPEG2DEC filter.

4:3 averages 1.5, sometimes a bit higher.

[gaui]

Atlon Tbird 1466 and xp
Scorce ntsc
speed= 1.067
:o

[FFiXx]

Tburd 1.1GHZ 512ram Win2K CCE2.25

1.2-1.4

[wizard327]

Pentium 4; 1.7Ghz;384 SDRAM;Seagate HD 7200RPM;Orig intel MB;CCE speed=0.85(why slow as compared to others?

cheers

[Diable]

Its the SDRAM that killing your speed. If you swap your motherboard for a board that uses either DDRAM or RDRAM you would see your speed jump into the 1.3 to 1.5 range.

[asifanwar]

System:
dual AMD Athlon 1600+
Tyan S2460 mobo
512Mb Crucial RAM
80 Gb ATA100 7200 RPM drive with FAT32
Windows XP Pro
CCE 2.50 with AVIsynth (load d2v file and serve. no resize/filters)

Source:
NTSC
either 4:3 or 16:9 doesnt matter cos I never resize; I set the letterbox flag in the VOB afterwards for 16:9 sources)
creating DVD-Rs with bitrates about 3000-5000

Speed:
1.92x realtime which I am VERY happy with

I then author in SpruceUp and use IfoEdit to set the 16:9 automatic letterbox flag in the main movie IFO. Saves encoding time, and recreates an anamorphic DVD!

[UltimateDBZ]

P4 1.6
512mb DDR pc-2100
40gb hdd
winxp home
cce 2.5

Speed about 0.74

My next comp will be AMD for sure, that alone will increase the speed dramatically ;)

@wizard327: the reason both of ours go so slow is because Intel processors (especially the first wave of P4's, which ours are) pretty much suck. Switching to an AMD Athlon 1600+ in my case would probably almost double the speed, I can only imagine what a 2200+ would do :)

[CrazyPortuguese]

Originally posted by mrbass

PIII 450 256MB CCE 0.34
don't think more than 256MB increases speed in 98/2000 but perhaps it does in XP.
regardless this doesn't take into account the various filters, variables of different movies etc. So take this stuff for what it's worth. Just post your average over say 5 or 10 movies perhaps.


You are absolutly right even in Xp I didnt have a perfomance increase with 512MB when compared to 256, but I must say I had a perfomance increase in most games.

[t1955feb]

Amd 1700xp 512sdram 2x 20 gig hd 100ata
ripping speed 1.145 system Windows xp home
this is slow compared to same or slower Amd's

[Mosaic]

4:3 ratio is in the CCE 1.3 to 1.4 region ....

[Pabster]

Bah, don't waste your time with AMD. They run too hot, use unstable VIA chip sets (which really suck) and simply can't encode as fast as Pentium 4 (Northwood), especially with a little overclocking :)

I just put together a 2.26 @ 2.72 and I'm encoding 3-pass VBR with no filters, 16:9 material, at 2.7X realtime (!). It's absolutely incredible and faster than anything AMD can offer. Plus it is silent and cool running.

[gerti67]

@Pabster:

This thread was only started some time ago, to give some information to people on how their speed is compared to a similar system, so they perhaps could find some culprits in their setup if their machine was outstanding slower.

No Flame Wars! - Or anything like that. Post your speeds if you want to but that's all information that's needed - nothing else.

Thanks,
Gerti

[Pabster]

Thanks, but I wasn't trying to start a flame war. I'm always seeing people wondering how they can get faster encodes and why their rig is only doing X speed. Fact is, P4 is going to yield speedier encoding. I've had enough rigs from both sides to know :)

[Mosaic]

I tested a Dell 1.7Ghz P4 with similar RAm & HDD and I recall something like a 30% improvement with the Athlon 1800 @ 1.53 GHz.

If u gonna overclock....then its harder for ppl to compare their system to yours.
Since issues like CAS2 RAM and North bridge mobo issues come up.

BTW u can get AMD XP systems on a VERY stable NVIDIA Nforce chipset with DOUBLE the potential RAM access rate with the 420 chipset version. PLUS u can have builtin Dolby Digital 6ch and 48Khz recording.

The system i mention b4 as a CCE benchmark is a 415D chipset not the latest 420D chipset with the faster RAM access.....faster than Northwood as well. I suspect I get better bang for the buck on my systems than that P4 u mentioned. My mobo retails for $85.00.

Further to this as i have been doing networked renderfarms for 3D apps since 1994.....It is MORE efficient to have 2 slower PC's doing separate jobs than 1 fast PC queueing jobs.

I submit the following reasons:
A) Unlikely to have BOTH of em crash....so less chance of lost time.

B) While One is encoding the other could be BURNING a DVD ....no matter if u system is 10x as fast as mine it will burn a DVD at the same speed.

C) U can be ripping/stripping/authoring DVD while other PC encodes.

D) I can post on DOOM forum while encoding happily at 1.4x on other system as I am doing now.

:p

[poopity poop]

in about two weeks time I'll have a dual Athlon 1900+ MP system running on the asus a7m266D motherboard, with 512Mb of samsung CL2.5 RAM. I'll be encoding from an uncomrpessed .avi frameserving though avisynth to CCE for stability and speed. When I do I'll post here what speeds I'm getting with all relevant information reguarding encoding. Until then, thanks for all the posts which have helepd me decide what processor/motherboard/intel vs. AMD etc etc to purchase

[Diable]

2.26GHz P4
Abit SD7-533 motherboard(it uses the SiS645 chipset)
256mb of PC2700 DDRAM(Kingmax brand)
40GB 7200rpm WD hard drive

Source: NTSC
16:9 - 1.88(Stigmata DVD was used)
4:3 - 1.47(Liquid Sky DVD was used)

The system was running at stock speed which is 17x133mhz and the memory set to 2x166mhz when I encoded both movies. I used MPEG2AVI2, Simple Resize and no filiters.

I paid $409 for the above parts(not counting the hard drive)and with a little overclocking 2x real time shouldn't be a problem, I am very pleased.

[bLuEScReeN]

Dual AMD Athlon 1900 MP
Tyan Tiger MPX S2466
NTSC 16:9
CCE 2.5
Speed: 1.7-2.0
60-65 CPU utilization

[Bigbucks1959]

U know Speeds are all well and good.
BUTTT I believe we are all looking for a quicker DVD2SVCD conversion.

I found a way to cut my time down to 1/4 the normal time.

I do a high bitrate (2000 bitrate) CBR instead of a 4 pass VBR..
I can do a 2 hour movie into an SVCD in about 3 hours.
Quality is quite awesome compared to the DVD....

Check it out.

Phil K.

[wizard327]

Yes.I agree with Bigbucks.I used CBR set at 2500 bitrate(Max.,Max avg.,Min. avg.),simple resize,192 audio bitrate,no filters(TS).My total encoding time(from rip to convert) for a 100-minute NTSC movie is 3 hours(Pentium 4,1.7Ghz,Orig Pentium MB,60Gb HD,7200rpm,CCE speed at 1.28,WIN98SE,384MB SDRAM.Quality is superb as compared with 4-pass VBR.On the downside,I have 3 CD-R but I don't mind as long as my objective is met--- Top quality DVD-like copy and fast encoding time.

Cheers,

[DDP]

My System: AMD XP1800+, 512 MB DDRAM Nanya, 80 GB Seagate@7200 rpm

CCE 2.5 - max.Speed: ~1.3
Resize-method: Bilinear with perfect resizing in FitCD

With simple resize speed is ~1.450

I always do 3 passes VBR encoding and 192-224 audio. The hole process lasts 6-7 hours for a 2 hour movie

[poopity poop]

when you say... 3 passes, do you type in the number 3 in passes? Because that is really 4 passes.
When you type in the number of "passes" you want want, this number is the number of passes AFTER making the FIRST vaf file, fyi. So if you want 3 passes you should set the number to 2. IF you REALLY want 4 total passes (which is the max I should think that anyone would want) then you should put in 3.
I somewhat agree with bigbucks on the CBR issue. If you can get the bitrate up to 2000CBR or thereabouts your movie will come out very well. But there is another very quick option you guys may want to consider.
Forget DVD2SVCD. Learn each of the individual programs that it uses. Then you can make an uncompressed huffyuv .avi of the movie(resized, filters, whatever), then simply put THAT into CCE, and do a REAL 2 pass (in other words put "1" in for passes). Then the high motion scenes will get more and the low motion scenes will get less, and you'll get speeds like 3-4 where once you were getting 1.5. Just a suggestion.

[manono]

Hi poop-

Then what kinds of speeds will you get when making the original Huffy .avi with, say, the same system as the previous poster getting 1.45? And how much space do you need on the hard drive for a 2 hour movie?

And I'm not sure it's a good idea to say "Forget DVD2SVCD" in a DVD2SVCD Forum. The program has helped a lot of people (myself included) make very good SVCDs very easily.

[poopity poop]

well no of course don't forget dvd2SVCD its a great program. BUt unfortunatly I have yet to test what I said because my computer is down. When I finish building my new computer (dual 1900+) I'll encode from a huffyuv avi and post the speed I get here. When I encoded from a huffyuv avi on my 866 P3 I recieved around ~.75 as a speed, so I estimate encoding on my new computer I'll get at least 3.00, which would be great.
The only reason it will be fast is beacause resizing and filters are all ready completed.
Anway...my new computer will be totally put together by the end of next next weekend Mon 29th. I'll post that monday night.
New system:

Windows XP (going to switch to win2000 pro for testing)
asus A7M266-D
512mb samsing cl2.5 ECC REG RAM
(2) x athlon 1900+
frame serving from: RAID 1 (2) x 60GB IBM GX75 deskstar's
and other crap that doesn't concern encoding....

[Mosaic]

I am a bit critical of this CBR at 2500kbps suggestion.

At that rate there will be artifacting in the movie.....consider a pan across a flowered field or forest or a dancing crowd pan.... 2500 won't cut it. more like a 4kbs required for those scenes.

VBR cannot be comared to CBR unless done on a movie bu movie basis....If u are encoding a documentary....CBR for sure. Try encoding a music video with that.....and see the probs.

[KeithXP]

My system:

AMD Athlon K7 1.4 Ghz
ASUS A7V333 KT333-chipset
512MB PC2100 DDR
2 - 60 GB Western Digital 7200 RPM hard drives
Windows XP Pro

CCE Speed: 1.1-1.3

I'd like to know if anyone has a Pentium 4 Northwood 1.6 or so overclocked to 2.5. This is said to be very easy and stable for the Northwood. What kind of encoding can you get from that? I am tempted to get that if I can get in the 2x range.

KeithXP

[Bigbucks1959]

Point well taken.
But even VBR 4 pass only does a Max bitrate of like 2530 (default) unless you manually change it.
Where would 4000 bitrate put your 2 hour movie size at?
4 cds or so..??

No biggie, just curious on best quality. And which bitrate is too high and a waste of time.

PK

Originally posted by Mosaic
I am a bit critical of this CBR at 2500kbps suggestion.

At that rate there will be artifacting in the movie.....consider a pan across a flowered field or forest or a dancing crowd pan.... 2500 won't cut it. more like a 4kbs required for those scenes.

VBR cannot be comared to CBR unless done on a movie bu movie basis....If u are encoding a documentary....CBR for sure. Try encoding a music video with that.....and see the probs.

[Bigbucks1959]

Oh yeh , 1 more thing.
I have a dvd burner.
Let's say I find I cannot do a 1:1 copy..multi layered dvds....

But I want a very high bitrate for my own svcd collection..
4000-5000 bitrate or something high like that.

How can I tell DVD2svcd to make me files that large (4.7 gb maximum) for burning to DVDR?
Or can I do it ?

Thx,
Phil .


Originally posted by Mosaic
I am a bit critical of this CBR at 2500kbps suggestion.

At that rate there will be artifacting in the movie.....consider a pan across a flowered field or forest or a dancing crowd pan.... 2500 won't cut it. more like a 4kbs required for those scenes.

VBR cannot be comared to CBR unless done on a movie bu movie basis....If u are encoding a documentary....CBR for sure. Try encoding a music video with that.....and see the probs.