CCE speeds

[mrbass]

The software monitoring tool "Motherboard Monitor" I disabled that. It gave a speed increase of 0.01 1.62 to 1.63. Later I saw it hit 1.65. The other thing I think that as to why there's such little difference is the CAS timings on the memory. I had my friends 1600 Crucial memory set to CAS 2.0 and the 1700 at 2.5. I'll be able to see if this has really affects it or not in a few days as I'll have an identical 1600 setup at work.

[Q-Panic]

CPU: Athlon XP 1500+ (@ 1333)
MOBO: MSI-K7T266PRO Raid
HD: IBM 7200
RAM: Crucial 512DD-RAM PC266
System: WIN XP PRO

i get about 1.00 for 16:9

i am currently encoding toy story 2 (whole movie, pal) while i am writing this thread (multitasking is possible, but slow...) and i have 0.999 cce speed right now... will get a little higher when i get off the internet...

does anyone know about something about how safe it is to overclock my cpu? how hot can this processor become until it burns to hell...? i currently have a temperature of 53 degree (celcius)... how far could i go? and would it improve anything? and especially: should i better ask those stupid questions on a different board? :p

cheers.
Q-Panic.

[Fmazzanti]

I guess this will sound interesting to some and stupid to some others, dependeing on how well you manage with your BIOS.
I managed to move from 0.64 encoding speed to 0.73 without spending a single buck (I'd rather say peseta but it'll soon turn into euros so who cares). The story was to simply optimize parameters in my BIOS.
Be aware, it's not just setting the Load Optimized Parameters in the BIOS, it's playing a little bit with each parameter by hand.
I'm usually quite lost on what does all theose messy values mean, so I simply went to www.viahardware.com and look in the FAQ of my mobo (Abit K7T), and there I found a nice document telling what you gave to change in order to boost up your computer...
For me this means that what the manufacturers tell 'optimized values' are not so, and that therefore taking a careful look at what you have can help a lot...

[Q-Panic]

sorry but your link doesn't work... since it sounds pretty interesting would it be great if you could check the link and write a new thread...

thankx.
Q-Panic.

[DDogg]

I fixed the link

[DDogg]

On TrueLies, which is a test I use, I got 1.37, but this shows the problem with threads like this. Unless you all use the same source the results don't mean much. Different aspect ratios will yield much different speeds as a 4:3 has many more pixels to encode.

I hope to convince dvd2svcd to add some kind of a benchmark based upon a speed per pixel encoded but I don't know if that is possible.

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8KHA+ @150 system clock
System bus 301.36
1.4 AYHJA 1582.15 MHz
512 Crucial DDR 2100
Antec 350 PSU
3 30 g Maxtor - 1 C and 2 in a stripe config for D

[Q-Panic]

i just wanted to add that i recently encoded shrek (ntsc, 16:9) and got with my setting (see older threat) a cce speed of 1.250! usually i get 1.050 for PAL movies... why the hell is ntsc faster? :confused:
it doesn't bother me much but it's kinda interesting, i thought... ;)

bye.
Q-Panic

and thanks for the fixed link... :)

[dvd2svcd]

Probably because it has 96 lines less to encode when doing NTSC.

[rockman57]

WinME
athlon 750
epox ep-7kxa motherboard
256mb pc133 ram
40gb 7200 ata 100
dvd drive asus 12x max (piece of sh*t if you ask me)

.600 - .700

[markrb]

First encode with new system:
XP 1700 + unlocked to 1800 + speed of 1533
256mb DDR (2nd stick of 256 was bad, will eventually have 512mb)
16:9 NTSC CCE 1.5

Old system P3 750 @ 825
512mb PC133
16:9 NTSC .5-.6

I am very, very happy with the increase.
I plan to up the speed a little more if things remain stable.

Mark

[Dropbear]

I am convinced CCE is memory bound on a SDRAM system. I have had increases in overall time by increasing my memory speeds and decreasing my CPU clock speed.

I was originally running at conservative memory speeds and a 1400Mhz clock. Now I am running at 1330 mhz and fast memory speeds and am enjoying an increase in encoding speed.

You can go and increase your raw CPU speed as much as you like, but sometimes, if you don't tune the bottleneck, you'll just make things worse.

[mevbo]

First encode with new system:
XP 1700 + unlocked to 1800 + speed of 1533
256mb DDR (2nd stick of 256 was bad, will eventually have 512mb)
16:9 NTSC CCE 1.5

Mark,
What is unlocked? It looks like you speed up your processor. How do you do this? I have:
XP 1700 with 512mbram and 80gbhd.
I would like to try this also.
Thanks.

[Fmazzanti]

I think that is really a mess. I've learned from this thread what somebody already said at the beginning, that is, that speeds can not be compared that easily.
For exemple: I've changed my computer for an Athlon XP 1800+ with 512Mb RAM Kingston and an Epox 8KHA+ mobo with the new VIA chipset 266A. Apparently and from what you read on the internet, this machine is among the fastests you can buy right now (well, prior to the 1900+). However, when encoding I only get a speed of around 1.25
I say 'only' because I read here people with less powerful CPU's get higher figures. How can this be possible?
I guess that most of you talk about NTSC movies, while I live in Europe and here we only have PAL ones. ENcoding to NTSC means encoding 480x480 pixels/frame, while encoding to PAL is 480x576. This means that PAL frames contain 1.2 times the amount of pixels found in NTSC frames. In this way, I'd say that encoding one single PAL frame takes 1.2 times longer than encoding one single NTSC frame. SO if I want to compare (more or less) what I get with what you get, I'd have to multiply my CCE speed with this 1.2 factor to get a total of 1.5...
Is that correct? Can anybody tell me if I'm right or wrong?

[compuball]

AMD Athlon 1400
512 DDR RAM
Gigabyte GA-7DXR motherboard
Windows 2000

.627 max

What gives?
:(

[Fmazzanti]

@compoball
I'm afraid that's too slow... My old 1GHz TBird with an Abit KT/ gave me 0.63 which rised to 0.72 once overclocked to 1.15GHz... and I used 133MHz RAm, not DDR.
Have you tried to optimize parameers in your BIOS? That may improve a bit. Also check that your system is not loaded with thousands of progs running in background while encoding.

[compuball]

I made sure that nothing was running in the background, but the bios settings are set at fail-safe because I was having trouble getting the system to run stable. I've since corrected that and when I get home from work, I'll change it and see what it says.

[sorrydaijin]

guys.... I can't imagine what the problem is becuase I have an AthlonXP1600+, 512MB2100CL2 nobrand, and Epox 8KHA+ and I get 1.4 to 1.5 encoding NTSC material.

My bios settings are optimized, but I generally abuse the shit out of my PC while encoding with about 6 other windows running at the time (sometimes this slows me to around 1.35 or so)

maybe I just got lucky, but the ol P3 is gathering dust quickly

[compuball]

Originally posted by compuball
I made sure that nothing was running in the background, but the bios settings are set at fail-safe because I was having trouble getting the system to run stable. I've since corrected that and when I get home from work, I'll change it and see what it says.

Ok, I've tweaked the bios and made sure nothing was running in the background and I'm only up to 0.635 That's only a .08 increase. All my drives are Ultra DMA enabled and everything. My hard drives are defragged with Norton. Anymore suggestions as to what could be the problem with my setup. I'm thinking that I should go back to my old setup with my IWILL KK-266+. I was at 1.05 with that.....

[mrbass]

you sure norton auto-protect isn't enabled?

[compuball]

I've disabled everything relating to norton, including the recycle bin protection as well as the email protection.

[Bob01605]

Epox motherboard, 1.33 gig Athlon XP , 512 meg DDR RAM, Windows XP, 40 gig (7200) Western Digital drive - DMA enabled on all drives ..

CCE running at about 1.24 - 1.26 with 6 X 9 widesceen movies and 1.36 - 1.38 with 4 by 3 movies. Seems like it should run SLOWER with a 4 to 3 movie ( just did the movie Cats and Dogs in 4 to 3 ) because there is more AREA to encode ? But it runs a little faster ? Anyone know why ?

Bob

[rudeboymcc]

i have amd athlon 800mhz with 384 sd-ram. using win xp i only get 0.28 or maybe 3 if i[m lucky. i'm sure in win2000 it went faster. any suggestions?

[Fmazzanti]

@rudeboymcc,
yeah that's too slow.... My old 1GHz Athon gave me something around 0.63 to 0.7. And I'm encodin gPAL,, which is slower than encoding NTSC.
The same I say to everybody: have you checked BIOS optimization? Do you run lots of background processes (if so, disable them)?
And from my experience, moving from win9x8 to winXP doesn't make a real difference. Just go from 0.63 to 0.65, at most....

[rudeboymcc]

what does bios optimization mean?? is it DMA mode?? if it is, i've got the DVD already ripped to the HDD so it's not the cd drives fault.

[gerti67]

Optimization means basically RAM-Timings! Because CCE is very depending on RAM.

For Example with my System i get the following with PAL-Movies:

AMD Duron 700@850, Epox 8KTA2, 256 MB Infineon 133-2, Win2k

CCE Speed: 0.65 in almost any PAL-Movie so far!

But you can only tweak things that your Mobo-BIOS lets you!

So i can use 4-Bank-Interleave, 2-2-2 Timings, Fast-Read-Write-Turnaround and so on. The most important Tweaks you'll find in the Advanced-Settings of your BIOS, but this is Manufacturer-dependant.

Try to encode a short Clip from a DVD (Cinema-Trailer,...) and try various settings in the Advanced Settings, but only one paramter each time and you will perhaps see a difference in encoding speed. Then try your other software that's running on your machine. And if all runs fine then keep those settings and try another little tweak.

It's time-consuming but you only have to do it once.

HTH
gerti67

[daedelus]

ok, ive seen some of the other speeds you guys run at... im encoding on a dual-pIII 1ghz machine with 1 gb RAM pc133, 200gb ATA100 RAID 7200 rpm and my cce is only goin .35 !!! WTF!!!

[Fmazzanti]

@daedelus,
from what people writes here, seems that CCE doesn't really support double processor power, so basically you must be using only one ofyour PIII. Also 1GHz in PIII is clearly less powerful than 1GHz Athlon, so maybe this explains what you get. Next time, buy AMD :D

[konrai]

amd 850, epox mb, 1gigram (pc133), 80gig maxtor, 40 gig western digital, elsa tnt2, .78 - .82 speeds.
dino

[mkronen]

CCE Encoding speeds depend alot on the specific settings.

If you got an interlaced source, than you don't need to make it progressive: this save a lot of time.
Using this setting i'm able to encode 480x576 PAL SVCD > 0.8
Deinterlacing it takes much longer: i get only >0.4

Machine: Duron 900, 512MB 120Mhz SDRAM

[mkronen]

If you've got anamorphic material, don't use the 16:9 option, but 4:3, as 16:9 will need the material to be scaled down.
The only problem i face with this approach is: the CCE logo is put over image material. But if you want to use a 16:9 TV set, use the 4:3 setting( which presaves the anamorphic nature)
this brings me the real boost of about 0.25

[Dropbear]

how exactly do you tell if you have an interlaced source or not ?

[mkronen]

I use flask to show me, if its progressive or interlaced.

[teacafe]

I also use Flaskmpg to play the IFO to show if the movie is interlaced or not. Wondering why most of the HongKong made DVDs(local movies or Hollywood blockbuster) are encoded in interlaced mode.

Windows ME
PIII600E overclocked to 840
256M sdram
16:9 movies with smart-deinterlace and 4 passes
CCE speed is 0.362

[mkronen]

without deinterlacing, and no anamorphic rescaling (use 4:3)

duron 900
512MB
0.8

16:9
0.65

deinterlaced
about 0.5

[simchippy]

Abit Kr7-raid
AMD XP1800+(1533) OC to 1850 mhz 2200+??
512 DDR
Win XP



cce 16:9 vbr 4 pass speed 1.93, 2+ CBR I never do CBR.

cce is processor intensive. Increased FSB vs Multiplier yields faster speed.

Major speed increase when I upgraded from my t-bird 1.4 oc to 1700 to the XP.

Cant wait to try the new dual MP board coming out next month

[thebeak40]

Old thread I know, but my 2 cents.

P3 733/133
windows 98se
default settings for dvd2svcd
60gig 5600 maxtor to hold ripped dvd
20gig 7200 for processing
Currently only 128RAM 256 more on order from dell

Max RT seen .74 with bilinear
Routinely .69 with bilinear, .67 with bicubic.

I shut down all background progs for overnight encodes

I am worried now that I have wasted my money on the RAM because these speeds sound good compared to some. The system is useless for anything else once CCE kicks in. Maybe the extra ram will help with this but from what I have read here, I dont think I am going to go much faster.

[gerti67]

@thebeak40:

The additional RAM should help and if you use the latest version 1.0.6 Build 4 you could use the SimpleResize method instead of bilinear or bicubic to gain some extra speed. Just use the search function of the forum to read about the differences of the resize methods.

Greetings,
gerti67

[eazye]

Using the new 1.0.6 i get speeds over 1.5 even for IVTC. This was not always the case. When I started out I got speeds of 1.1 or less.

System
AMD XP1700, 512 DDR, 7200rpm 40GB HD, MSI 6380 - VIA 266A MotherBoard.

I made no hardware modifications I just fine tuned my memory -CAS set to 2, added pci latency patch, upgrade to latest bios and voila!

Of course the new simpleresize and IVTC plugins helped a bit. So I say, do not give up. I was going to overclock when I was getting 1.1 but now there is no immediate need to.

[jasond]

tried again last night with the goonies dvd.. started off at 1.07 and stayed at .96 for the rest :)


I love that dvd2svcd program
:D

Only change I made was Iadded an extra fan point towards my chip...dropped heat to 35/42 under heavy load (copied from my how cool are you thread)

CCE also speeded up to almost 1.


would cooling effect it that much? cause i used my same movie with crash recovery to resume


pretty good fix for a $5 80mm fan

[Max Meier]

Duron 1.2, 256 MB RAM Win2K SP2.

After installing Build 3 the Speed of CCE went from 0.85 to 1.03

Strange isn't it ? :-)

Nice thing is no more hangs in VBR :-)

[Vespers]

Athlon 1.2
Iwill KK266-R
512 Pc133 Ram
WinXP Pro

CCE speed On Earlier Versions .60

Lastest Version(Along with some of the recomedations read from the board, thanks DDog..and others....Memory Interleave Tweaking, Newest Via PCI Latency Patch, Turning Off Alomost all services before starting)

CCE Speed now at 1.6....woot!....

[gerti67]

@jasond and Max Meier:

Just to be sure you have noticed, the newer versions of dvd2svcd (from 1.0.6 Build 2 on) use the new "SimpleResize" as default (see in "Frameserver" tab) instead of the "BicubicResize" in earlier versions. This new method speeds up encoding by about 20% (with slightly different quality but look at threads about SimpleResize for it), so it is not (just) the "cooling" nor is it "strange". ;)

Greetings,
gerti67

[ev]

1GHz T-Bird
Win XP
512MB RAM
ECS K7VZA MOBO (VIA chipset)

CCE speed encoding PAL 16:9:
Simple resize 0.88
Bicubic 0.69 (was 0.73 but dropped when I upgraded to latest BIOS)

[gerti67]

Hi ev,

just a question, how satisfied (stability, compability) are you with your mobo as a friend asked me to assemble a PC for him together that's very, very cheap and the "Elitegroup K7VZA 3.0" was the cheapest mobo i could find (at least here in Germany) and i think it is the same as the ECS.

Greetings,
gerti67

[ev]

Hi gerti67

Mine is an Elitegroup V3.0 also. I'm very happy and would definately recommend it. It's extremely stable and going by other people's speed figures, it seems to keep up with the best of them. The on-board sound isn't great but I don't use it. I've worked it pretty hard so far and it has been great.

Hope this helps you.

[gerti67]

Thanks a lot ev, this definitely helps a lot on my decision.

Greetings,
gerti67

[ev]

Happy to help.

[Trahald]

duron 950
192 mb pc100 / cas 2

20 gig 5400
via (4 in 1 / memory interleave at 4 / latency patch)


sisoft sandra memory - 305/319 cce 6 min vaf test - .740

although with my winmodem connected but not actively xfering

279/298 same cce test - .699

eek

shoulda payed $20 more for a real modem hehe

with before the 4 in 1 / interleave / and patch got low 200's for sandra

[SteveV]

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU
512mb Samsung PC333 cas 2.5
XP1800+
2x 80 gig maxtor 7200rpm ata133 (raid)
CCE speed around 1.350 with pal movies 16:9 and bicubic 0.75
CCE speed around 1.500 with pal movies 16:9 and simpleresize
CCE speed around 1.800 with ntsc movies 16:9 and bicubic 0.75
CCE speed around 1.950 with ntsc movies 16:9 and simpleresize

[TypeR]

I have a Athlon 850@952 512MB Ram PC-133
40Gb UDMA 100/7200rpms
CCE Speeds between 0,8 - 0,87 although it goes down to 0.77 doing the VAF file in CCE