xy-VSFilter Project (High Performance VSFilter Compatible Subtitle Filters)

[GCRaistlin]

XySubFilter (XySubFilter_3.1.0.746_x86_BETA3.zip) prevents DVD menu's graphical elements to be displayed: http://mir.cr/GIWVXEN8
With XySubFilter, ticks aren't displayed when pointing mouse cursor on DVD menu buttons.
WinXP SP3, MPC-HC 1.7.10.40, madVR 0.89.19.
Offtopic: is there a way to create bug reports on github?

[wanezhiling]

https://www.sendspace.com/file/v570s4

0:00:14.28 ~ 0:00:48.90

Can't renderer the sub smoothly

[neocode]

I have a video here that xysubfilter is crashing.
Is xysubfiler still being developed?
If yes, how can I submit the crash report?

[KoD]

XySubFilter (XySubFilter_3.1.0.746_x86_BETA3.zip) prevents DVD menu's graphical elements to be displayed: http://mir.cr/GIWVXEN8
With XySubFilter, ticks aren't displayed when pointing mouse cursor on DVD menu buttons.
WinXP SP3, MPC-HC 1.7.10.40, madVR 0.89.19.
Offtopic: is there a way to create bug reports on github?

I imagine you are using QuickSync as the decoder option in MPC-HC. I can reproduce the issue on your sample file when using quicksync in MPC-HC as well. If I pick the software decoder, or DXVA copyback, there are no issues.

If I use ZoomPlayer instead of MPC-HC, with lav external filters and quicksync as the active decoder in lav video, the issue does not happen though either. It's only in MPC-HC.

So I would say the problem might not be the QuickSync decoder, but a bug in MPC-HC. In any case, it does not look like it's an issue with xy-subfilter.


PS: it's also possible to keep using quicksync as the default decoder option, but have the DVD option unchecked in the "Codecs for HW Decoding" group, to let the software decoder be used for DVDs and have menus work ok. Though, I actually would advise to disable MPEG-2 support in general when using quicksync, and not only for DVDs.
PPS: I just tested with MPC-HC 1.7.8.123 x86 from March last year, and the problem does not happen there either. So it's definitley an issue in recent versions of MPC-HC.
PPPS: Aftre more tests, I noticed that sometimes it works even in the latest MPC-HC. So, it's something random. Might really be related to using QuickSync after all.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/v570s4

0:00:14.28 ~ 0:00:48.90

Can't renderer the sub smoothly
I confirm this as well, the subtitles queue in madVR gets to 1 immediately and playback becomes a slideshow.

I have a video here that xysubfilter is crashing.
Is xysubfiler still being developed?
If yes, how can I submit the crash report?
I don't think there's anyone doing active development anymore. But it's worth having samples known to cause a crash in the filter, maybe someone wants to give it a try. If it's xy-subfilter causing the crash, then very likely all that's needed is the subtitle file itself. That would be more useful than a crash report or the entire video file.

You may use something like wikisend dot com or some other file upload service (or even pastebin).

Is it an external srt file? Then just give that file. Or if it's inside a mkv file, extract it from there with something like mkvcleaver + mkvtoolnix.

[GCRaistlin]

I imagine you are using QuickSync as the decoder option in MPC-HC
No. The only change I made to the default MPC-HC configuration is setting video renderer to madVR and subtitle renderer to XySubFilter.

I just tested with MPC-HC 1.7.8.123 x86 from March last year, and the problem does not happen there either. So it's definitley an issue in recent versions of MPC-HC.
I confirm. Will report to the MPC-HC bug tracker.

[Warlock]

Are there any plans for a new xy-subfilter?

[ryrynz]

Are there any plans for a new xy-subfilter?

That will all depend on if the developer comes back. There doesn't appear to be any pressing issues so we might just end up seeing beta 3 become final soon perhaps with a fix or two for the issues above.

At this point I'd say xysubfilters development is probably done, and that a replacement is likely to come some time in future, but I suspect that'll be some time away.

[thewebchat]

This file (https://www.sendspace.com/file/72tp1o) crashes XySubFilter (64-bit) since BETA3 when played at greater than 1x zoom. Problem occurs at the end of the file. Happens with EVR-CP and mVR. Crash disassembly shows bad function pointer (vtable?) call.

[mecedo]

Will XySubFilter have profiles or keystrokes for positioning subtitles in the future? Any chances?

[a8213711]

Anyone else having problem with http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3573531/gigi-en (direct download: http://dl.opensubtitles.org/en/download/sub/vrf-108d030f/3573531)?
Character with accent marks like on 3.11 or 38.57 aren't shown properly on my PC, while on VLC they are fine.

[sneaker_ger]

Maybe it is expecting UTF-8?
Try UTF-8 version: https://www.sendspace.com/file/9t63rz

[a8213711]

Maybe it is expecting UTF-8?
Try UTF-8 version: https://www.sendspace.com/file/9t63rz

Thank you, that worked, but how did you convert it? How can I know if the next file require this conversion? Can I ask to implement a way to support file like this like in VLC?

[sneaker_ger]

There are different ways to encode text files. It seems like VLC has some kind of clever automatic detection while xy-vsfilter/XySubFilter do not. You can of course ask for a more clever detection but the development seems to be stalled so I would not expect much.

To detect such files you can open them in an editor like Notepad++ (https://notepad-plus-plus.org/). Click "Encoding"->"Encode in UTF-8 without BOM" and then see if diacritic and other special characters are displayed correctly. If yes, you do not need to do anything. If they are not displayed correctly, try "Encoding"->"Encode in ANSI" (or one of the other encodings, there are a lot to choose from). Once you have found an encoding that results in diacritics being displayed correctly, you click "Encoding"->"Convert to UTF-8 without BOM" and save the file. Now it should work.

P.S.: Just "UTF-8" is UTF-8 with a BOM. That's basically a small info at the beginning of the file that marks the encoding. Some software can read it and use it for better detection, other software has problems with it. xy-vsfilter/XySubFilter can probably handle both variations just fine so it does not really matter whether you save with or without BOM.

[SecurityBunny]

Does anyone happen to know if development will ever kick back up again or whether a suitable replacement is in the works? I've got a file that lags at certain parts with XySubFilter but not with MPC-HC's built-in subtitle renderer.

[amayra]

Does anyone happen to know if development will ever kick back up again or whether a suitable replacement is in the works? I've got a file that lags at certain parts with XySubFilter but not with MPC-HC's built-in subtitle renderer.

you can try AssFilterMod (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=173573) i think this what you need

[clsid]

but not with MPC-HC's built-in subtitle renderer.I think you answered your own question...

[SecurityBunny]

you can try AssFilterMod (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=173573) i think this what you need

While AssFilter doesn't lag in the part XySubFilter does, subtitles do not appear to be smooth when they are scrolling / moving across the screen. It appears to stutter, whereas Xy and built-in renderer do not.

I think you answered your own question...

Perhaps, but the built-in renderer does not appear to be as smooth for heavily stylized and typesetted subtitles in the background. As well as drops the render queue size from a stable 8/8 to 3-5/8 when heavy typesetting occurs. Doesn't fix itself until you pause and play again. XySubFilter, besides lagging in a specific part in my test, does not. It is basically a toss-up for which is better in certain scenarios.

I'm just wondering if there is a definitive 'best' filter to use out of all options and whether or not XySubFilter development will be continued. :(

[amayra]

While AssFilter doesn't lag in the part XySubFilter does, subtitles do not appear to be smooth when they are scrolling / moving across the screen. It appears to stutter, whereas Xy and built-in renderer do not. :(
can you give me the test file ?

[SecurityBunny]

can you give me the test file ?

Sure, will send you a PM. :)

[Tanuki]

I have a strange bug : I use xysubfilter latest beta (3.1.0.746 Beta but I tried the previous beta too) in zoom player (tried several versions) in windows 7 and 10, and subs are sometimes rendered lower or higher than the previous sentence. The problem happens with srt, vobsubs and ass.
The problem started several months back, and I don't recall doing or installing something before it happened.

[amayra]

I have a strange bug : I use xysubfilter latest beta (3.1.0.746 Beta but I tried the previous beta too) in zoom player (tried several versions) in windows 7 and 10, and subs are sometimes rendered lower or higher than the previous sentence. The problem happens with srt, vobsubs and ass.
The problem started several months back, and I don't recall doing or installing something before it happened.

did this happen only with zoomplayer ?
and how about reset settings ?
PS: try MPC

[Tanuki]

did this happen only with zoomplayer ?
and how about reset settings ?
PS: try MPC

Even after resetting settings (with the .reg file), the problem is still there.

Same problem in MPC-HC latest nightly...

[huhn]

are you sure the subtitles are created correctly?

[Tanuki]

are you sure the subtitles are created correctly?

I'm not sure to understand the question, but the subs themselves are not the problem : they are playing fine in MPC-HC with internal subtitles renderer.

I reset MadVR settings too, but it didn't change anything.


PS : I noticed a strange thing yesterday while playing with MPC-HC, but it's not related : I have an anime OP video with karaoke subtitles that seem to be harder to render than average that I keep because it lags at one point with MadVR default settings. Thing is that with the same filters and settings (LAV, MadVR and xysubfilter), it doesn't lag in MPC-HC and still lag in Zoom player.

[jmartinr]

I have a strange bug : I use xysubfilter latest beta (3.1.0.746 Beta but I tried the previous beta too) in zoom player (tried several versions) in windows 7 and 10, and subs are sometimes rendered lower or higher than the previous sentence. The problem happens with srt, vobsubs and ass.
The problem started several months back, and I don't recall doing or installing something before it happened.
Your subtitle rendertimes might be overlapping. Causing a shift when the second subtitle is shown while the first is not finished yet.

[Tanuki]

I tried what I should have done before posting : I only tried recently the 2 latest releases (744 and 746 BETA3), but there's no problem with the 705 BETA2.

I attached an example of vobsubs (for a video with a resolution of 853x480) that don't work correctly with BETA3. The first minute with both lyrics and dialogues at the same time is enough.

[ChronosAI]

Does anyone happen to know if development will ever kick back up again or whether a suitable replacement is in the works? I've got a file that lags at certain parts with XySubFilter but not with MPC-HC's built-in subtitle renderer.

I had some video freezing/subtitle blinking problems with XySubFilter with heavy karaoke/ass typeset videos but managed to avoid those by increasing the cache sizes from within XySub control panel's "More" tab and "Cache Options" segment there.

[amayra]

I had some video freezing/subtitle blinking problems with XySubFilter with heavy karaoke/ass typeset videos but managed to avoid those by increasing the cache sizes from within XySub control panel's "More" tab and "Cache Options" segment there.

can anyone explain to me the Xy-Sub control panel i dont get it

[ChronosAI]

can anyone explain to me the Xy-Sub control panel i dont get it

If you mean the values, just try increasing them (double 'em), the LV1/2/3/4 fields have an upper limit what I tried and the cache size field probably works on automation (-1), try setting it higher than what you have with the problematic/choppy typeset.

If you don't know how to access the filter control panel, open up a video that relies on it with say, mpc-hc and double-click on the video frame and you should see a menu with path like this:

Filters > XySubFilter (=> madVR) > Properties...

Mind you this is just a workaround I found to fix my problems and setup (mpc-hc, madvr, lav, xysub). The performance/cache issues with heavy-weight karaoke/typeset might get addressed if xysub development resumes.

[kirakami]

xy-vsfilter no longer being developed? Nothing since last release in 2014.

[sneaker_ger]

Yes, pretty much. The main developer has been absent for a long time now so we only got the few odd fixes by madshi and cyberbeing for XySubFilter.

[ikarad]

Light problem with xysubfilter.
With this video
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=861780

at 0min58s "part 2 of 3" change position with xyvsfilter and not with internal sub renderer of mpc-hc (normal)

xyvsfilter
http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_32622079xy.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=32622079xy.jpg)
mpc sub renderer
http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_537689wxy.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=537689wxy.jpg)

[sneaker_ger]

I cannot reproduce the issue.

[amayra]

Light problem with xysubfilter.
With this video
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=861780

at 0min58s "part 2 of 3" change position with xyvsfilter and not with internal sub renderer of mpc-hc (normal)

xyvsfilter
http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_32622079xy.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=32622079xy.jpg)
mpc sub renderer
http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_537689wxy.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=537689wxy.jpg)
try with AssFilterMod (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=173573)

[ikarad]

try with AssFilterMod (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=173573)

Assfiltermod works but this a bug that i report with xysubfilter.

[Garteal]

It's probably on your end. Are you using the latest XySubFilter?
Like sneaker_ger, I can't reproduce this either.

[DatOneAnimeFan]

Quick question, can this be used with MeGui? As a DDL?

Sent from my 5054N using Tapatalk

[sneaker_ger]

xy-vsfilter: yes ( load vsfilter.dll and then TextSub() or MaskSub() in AviSynth script)
XySubFilter: no

[ikarad]

It's probably on your end. Are you using the latest XySubFilter?
Like sneaker_ger, I can't reproduce this either.

Yes i use the last version beta of xysubfilter 3.1.0.746.

[sneaker_ger]

Which version of MPC-HC? Which renderer? Are there any other filters in the chain, esp. any filter that may scale the video to a different resolution (like ffdshow)?

[ikarad]

Which version of MPC-HC? Which renderer? Are there any other filters in the chain, esp. any filter that may scale the video to a different resolution (like ffdshow)?

no filter. Just mpc-hc and madvr.
I try the last bulid version of mpc-hc and others versions: same problem.

[sneaker_ger]

Do you have "move subtitles to the bottom of the screen/window" ticked in madvr's zoom control options?

[ikarad]

Do you have "move subtitles to the bottom of the screen/window" ticked in madvr's zoom control options?

Yes, with this option turn off now it works. I didn't know this option because I have never seen this section of madvr.

I am happy because the sub renderer of mpc-hc is not bug free. Sometimes subs flashs.

[GCRaistlin]

I load extrenal subtitles (http://mir.cr/0VSPVK4H) in IDX/SUB format (the first subtitle should appear at 03:04) for a movie in MKV format (sample (http://mir.cr/PLBSHWOY)). If I set the delay higher than -20 ms (e. g. -21 ms) the subtitles disappear at all.
MPC-HC 1.7.10.264 / EVR (CP) / XySubFilter 3.1.0.746 / Windows XP SP3 x86

[Piyoko]

How can I make the subtitles always look the same regardless of the video resolution, like with the internal subtitle renderer of mpc-hc?

I'm trying to set up XySubFilter (3.1.0.746) + madVR (0.91.4) + mpc-hc (1.7.10.269) and I cannot get it to work. If I use the render layout option "Customize" then the subtitles get squashed or stretched depending on the video aspect ratio, and with "AR adjusted" or "Original video" the border options start depending on the video resolution, so if you set it up to look OK on a 1920x1080 video the border becomes super-thick on a 640x480 video. This is with regular SRT.

In addition the style override setting "Force default" seems to be completely unusable as with sane font settings the subtitles become super-tiny on 1920x1080 videos for some reason, and if you increase the default font size and margins to look decent there, then they'll of course be humongous for low-res videos and SRT subtitles instead.

Am I missing some obvious setting that would fix these issues?

[Hyperthread]

I opened the XySubFilter 3.1.0.746 x64 BETA3 properties, and there was no text on any of the tab's pages. However, the tab itself has text.
I'm running Windows 10 1703 "Creator's Update". I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the update?
Is anyone else experiencing this issue?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I have included some screenshots below.

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu10/HouseMusicMixer/Main-Tab-Small_zpsoworqyta.png~original (http://s628.photobucket.com/user/HouseMusicMixer/media/Main-Tab-Small_zpsoworqyta.png.html)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu10/HouseMusicMixer/More-Tab-Small_zpsygxaltwg.png~original (http://s628.photobucket.com/user/HouseMusicMixer/media/More-Tab-Small_zpsygxaltwg.png.html)

[Nachbar]

I opened the XySubFilter 3.1.0.746 x64 BETA3 properties, and there was no text on any of the tab's pages. However, the tab itself has text.
I'm running Windows 10 1703 "Creator's Update". I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the update?
Is anyone else experiencing this issue?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I have included some screenshots below.

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu10/HouseMusicMixer/Main-Tab-Small_zpsoworqyta.png~original (http://s628.photobucket.com/user/HouseMusicMixer/media/Main-Tab-Small_zpsoworqyta.png.html)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu10/HouseMusicMixer/More-Tab-Small_zpsygxaltwg.png~original (http://s628.photobucket.com/user/HouseMusicMixer/media/More-Tab-Small_zpsygxaltwg.png.html)

I do not have this problem with the exact same configuration using mpc-be x64 1.5.1. Seeing as you do not have a "pin info" tab I'm guessing your video player is using a different subtitle renderer before using vsfilter. If you are using mpc-hc/be go into the player options and in the subtitle tab choose XySubFilter. Can't really help you with other players. You can check which filters are being actively used by going to the filters tab of the player.

[Lebowsky]

Anyone can help me? I think I did an idiotic mistake. I was using xy-vsfilter. I had a movie with embedded subtitles with colors. I wanted to try to disable all colors, but couldn't find a way. Ended up going to xy-vsfilter options by double-clicking the green vobsub arrow in the tray. Went to Colors, and I disable everyhing, just to see if something would happen. Unfotunately, I can't get any subtitle to load anymore (and thus cannot access the menu). Tried to unregister and reregister, no go. Tried to install xy-subfilter, won't work either. How can I get to that menu and re-enable the colorspaces?

Thx!

[sneaker_ger]

Try do delete HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Gabest\vsfilter\ using the registry editor.

What player are you using? In MPC-HC go Options>Playback>Output and select a subtitle renderer.

[Lebowsky]

YES. thank you! And yes, using MPC-HC.

Is there a way to have the renderer discard the color information from the subtitles file? I have a file where the text is white in general, but switches to other colors when there are several characters speaking, which is really annoying... Would prefer to have it white all the time.