Slysoft finally breaks BD+

[Doom9]

BD-R (25GB): $13ea.Where? The best I can get around here is a buck per gig and that way I'm better off with a NAS (which I do already have.. same goes with the networked media player that can play high def content.. whereas I refuse to plunk down the $500 a profile 1.0 profile player costs in Europe).

30 euro just to show your appreciation for an option (not forgetting they promissed BD+ almost 3 months ago). A lot of opensource projects would kill for such donations. Amazing!

They do great work and I wish them all the best, but they're a commercial company, not saints. Sometimes I get the feeling people are forgetting this.Give me an open source project that handles all of today's titles plus the next generation (MKBv5/Sequence keys if used, and whatever BD+ features Fox will start using) and even though it's still not the same as the lifetime upgrade (plus no DVD facilities), I'd happily donate $1000 to such an effort. But it seems any non commercial efforts have stopped with MKBv3

[jfcarbel]

this wont be a problem as discs you record yourself surely wont contain any protection at all?

So are you saying that all standalones will have to allow playback of BDMV on BD-R/RE?

I thought that some versions of firmware were disabling this feature.

See my post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=124106)

[jdobbs]

Where? The best I can get around here is a buck per gig... Here's (http://www.meritline.com/philips-2x-bdr-in-jewel-case-br2s2j01f-17.html) one example. It's a five-pack, $13.99 if you buy just one.

[Doom9]

I thought that some versions of firmware were disabling this feature.I remember reporting about that possibility in the news, but I have yet to hear any instance where a BDMV disc on BD-R/E wouldn't play. And iirc, even home level authoring tools do support BDMV.

[unskinnyboy]

aha! Had to come to Doom9 to know about this. Surprisingly, this doesn't seem to have grabbed much headlines in the news aggregators, specifically Google News (except, now that I specifically searched for BD+ under Sci/Tech, I got a few hits). Time to play with those BD+ discs now. ;-]

[k-c-ksum]

this wont be a problem as discs you record yourself surely wont contain any protection at all?


yeah but aacss is mandatory on blu ray discs so a back up could easily be detected. I guess the current firmwares aint checking for this yet though. The only none aacss that is suposed to be allowed is the avchd spec afaik.

[Peer van Heuen]

I've seen multiple reports on BD+ and video corruption. Looking at captures this reminds me of the begining days of AACS decryption. As if some types of packages in the stream aren't taken into account properly. Any thoughts on this?

I haven't seen any of those reported glitches myself yet, but the reports sound plausible, so we may have a minor bug there.
There's a lot of alignment calculation being done there - possible, that there is a bug somewhere.
It's a minor problem, that will certainly be fixed with the next release.

[sugatam]

yeah but aacss is mandatory on blu ray discs so a back up could easily be detected. I guess the current firmwares aint checking for this yet though. The only none aacss that is suposed to be allowed is the avchd spec afaik.

AACS is only mandatory on BD-ROM disks.

[Zotty]

Could you provide links/sources for reference? Would like to look at more closely. Thanks
Some examples

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34828_iceage.PNG

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34830_glitch28129.png

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34831_glitch2.png

I looks like bcrabl visits the same site I do. Above shots are from Ice Age and FF:ROTSS. Haven't got those discs myself, so I can't make an official bugreport, nor would it be my place to do this based on other peoples findings. Just curious what's going on, since this is a major breakthrough.

I haven't seen any of those reported glitches myself yet, but the reports sound plausible, so we may have a minor bug there.
There's a lot of alignment calculation being done there - possible, that there is a bug somewhere.
It's a minor problem, that will certainly be fixed with the next release.
If it's a problem with AnyDVD I'm sure this will be ironed out. Seems that you and your colleages know what they're doing ;)


Give me an open source project that handles all of today's titles plus the next generation (MKBv5/Sequence keys if used, and whatever BD+ features Fox will start using) and even though it's still not the same as the lifetime upgrade (plus no DVD facilities), I'd happily donate $1000 to such an effort. But it seems any non commercial efforts have stopped with MKBv3
You've touched a delicate issue there. I think the biggest problem is that our famous crypto doom9 members are on a long term vacation and that kinda halted further development. They provided the initial keys that got us going.
Speaking for myself I'm software engineer, not a cryptographer. Someone hands me some codes and I can make some software that uses it for decrypting some files. The weak link is that if there are no codes, there's no software. And I'm sure there are more people like me facing the same 'problem'.
Would be nice to start some sort of doom9 HD decryption group that's dedicated to cracking this and provide a opensource project that stays up to date with the latest encryption the movie industrie throws at us.

[bcrabl]

MKBv4 volume keys have started to "leak" from sources other than slysoft :cool: . Hope a prossesing key will eventualy be found. Most probably eventually an OSS software will be developed, but the issue I think is the pressure from the AACS LA and Macrovision to shut down the projects and the fact that there is a very user friendly alternative (AnyDVDHD) priced competitivly.

[Zotty]

In some countries it's legal to circumvent protection if there's no alternative. Playing HD discs using Linux certainly qualifies for this ;)

[Rectal Prolapse]

Peer, any chance you guys can invest in an AVC/mpeg2/VC1 stream compliance checker? Tektronix sells one, and I *think* you can also use the more reasonably priced Elecard Stream Analyser software.

This can be useful for checking the results of a BD+ decryption, and be easier to debug!

What do you think?

[donis]

I haven't seen any of those reported glitches myself yet, but the reports sound plausible, so we may have a minor bug there.
There's a lot of alignment calculation being done there - possible, that there is a bug somewhere.
It's a minor problem, that will certainly be fixed with the next release.

Here's one more (it's from Die Hard 2 encode, but it's present in source also);

http://shrani.si/f/3i/d2/ZF5HttS/glitchthumb.png (http://achumpatoxford.com/u/files/38/glitch.png)

[Rectal Prolapse]

donis, the link doesn't work right now!

Can you give a timestamp for this glitch?

(Slysoft, you really need to invest in an AVC/VC1/mpeg2 elementary stream checker to help identify these glitches!)

[blutach]

@Rectal Prolapse

Any reason why you needed to essentially duplicate your earlier post (#112 posted 7 hours ago)? If not, let it be.

Regards

[donis]

donis, the link doesn't work right now!

Can you give a timestamp for this glitch?

(Slysoft, you really need to invest in an AVC/VC1/mpeg2 elementary stream checker to help identify these glitches!)

Glitch starts @ 1h:03m:08s and is ~1s long (23 frames).

http://shrani.si/f/3i/d2/ZF5HttS/1/glitchthumb.png (http://shrani.si/?28/Q7/1KWk5tvf/1/glitch.png)

[jfcarbel]

AACS is only mandatory on BD-ROM disks.

I read somewhere about a BD-ROM mark on a Blu-Ray and that if it was not present that a BD would not play. How does this factor into prevention of backups on BD/R playing on standalones?

[Doom9]

BD-ROM mark has nothing to do with BD+ (so wrong thread), and it only affects BD-ROM discs (hence the name).

[Rectal Prolapse]

Blutach, just wanted to remind them that they have other tools at their disposal. And frankly it surprised me so much that slysoft didn't perform due-diligence on stuff like this - for a commercial product I would have expected this - that I thought it bore repeating! Do you see where I am coming from?

Also, not a single person has mentioned such a possibility. With all the knowledgeable video experts here I thought it would have been mentioned. It's a double-shock to me!

Thanks Donis! I can use that for reference if/when I decide to remux Die hard 2.

[blutach]

You "reminded" them 9 hours earlier. Enough said.

Regards

[~bT~]

Some examples

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34828_iceage.PNG

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34830_glitch28129.png

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34831_glitch2.png

i think its a player or graphics card issue.

[SamuriHL]

i think its a player or graphics card issue.

It is not. Peer has found the issue and will be releasing a new beta that fixes it in the next couple days.

[tintin1001]

Exactly! See Sony, by allowing people to make backup copies you actually widen your consumer base, and increase your sales. Well we've enabled it anyway now, so it doesn't matter now.

Of course some will use it for good stuff, but everyone knows that the primary use will be Pirat Copies. The millions of people that download torrents from well known pirate sites are those that will benefit the most from this.

And me of course, when BR media comes down in price i can buy a cheap burner, BD-RW and Anydvd and stop caring about Region Encoding and save money buy buying the movies from the USA.

[SamuriHL]

http://sandbox.slysoft.com/beta/SetupAnyDVD6403.exe

New beta to fix the video glitches and add support for Hitman.

[blutach]

Of course some will use it for good stuff, but everyone knows that the primary use will be Pirat Copies. The millions of people that download torrents from well known pirate sites are those that will benefit the most from this.
Everybody does not know that and more to the point, we do not support it.

EDIT: And as for torrentspy - say goodbye - http://www.torrentspy.com/

Regards

[Peer van Heuen]

Of course some will use it for good stuff, but everyone knows that the primary use will be Pirat Copies. The millions of people that download torrents from well known pirate sites are those that will benefit the most from this.


One thing you can tell from scanning through our support queues, is that the great majority of our customers actually use AnyDVD to simply be able to remove region coding, to transcode DVDs to different formats and to - oh my god - watch HD content on equipment that never received a blessing from AACS, but nevertheless is perfectly fit for the task.

I'm sure the "torrent kiddies" are far less than people expect - and they are the ones who make you people here and us look like criminals to "outsiders".

[davinleeds]

My main use is to enable hdd playback of my movies.

A question might be asked: Is the compromise, enable private playback, disable upload? Or cripple upload?

[jfcarbel]

I would love to use it to create a drive on my PC that has all the HD trailers of the movies on BD I own. Now if only the studios would only stop releasing a $25-30 BD with no trailer.

Also to create a best of clips, when of course VideoReDo comes out with a H.264 editor.

[FlimsyFeet]

Everybody does not know that and more to the point, we do not support it.
Unfortunately the message that we don't support it hasn't got through to some people.

Apparently, the Doom9 forums are a hang out for file sharers (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/how-crypto-won.html). (And didn't the BBC label us as a forum for 'hackers' last year?)

[tintin1001]

One thing you can tell from scanning through our support queues, is that the great majority of our customers actually use AnyDVD to simply be able to remove region coding, to transcode DVDs to different formats and to - oh my god - watch HD content on equipment that never received a blessing from AACS, but nevertheless is perfectly fit for the task.

I'm sure the "torrent kiddies" are far less than people expect - and they are the ones who make you people here and us look like criminals to "outsiders".

As soon as i get a BD burner i will most likely be added to your list of customers. A friend of mine is already the owner of 2 Region locked titles that he cant watch on his PS3.

He told me that with ANYDVD + NERO 8 he should be able to copy both Discs to a BR and theirby remove the region encoding?

He is looking for some kind of conformation since a empty disc would cost him something like 40$ in his country plus Anydvd.

No, the titles he has can not be bought in his region, go figure..

My commet about how your tool was used was more in regards to the guys that actually make the first "rip".

[DonPMitchell]

Congrats to SlySoft. It's interesting that this was reported on March 19 here, and I just read about it on The Regsiter today. I guess in another month, it will be in Wired Magazine then. :-)

Is there a good place to read something technical about who BD+ works?

[dimzon]

And as for torrentspy - say goodbye - http://www.torrentspy.com/

OMG. Yet another DMCA victim...

[BrynRhys]

Congrats to SlySoft. It's interesting that this was reported on March 19 here, and I just read about it on The Regsiter today. I guess in another month, it will be in Wired Magazine then. :-)

Is there a good place to read something technical about who BD+ works?
http://securityevaluators.com/eval/spdc_aacs_2005.pdf
http://www.cryptography.com/resources/whitepapers/SelfProtectingContent.pdf

[Peer van Heuen]

He told me that with ANYDVD + NERO 8 he should be able to copy both Discs to a BR and theirby remove the region encoding?


Yes, AnyDVD HD will remove region encoding.
There are a few discs, where it will fail to remove atm, but that's not a general problem, rather a little bug.
Now that BD+ is done, I should find the time to fix that :)

[texhonolize]

Will these dupes work on a standalone player or the PS3?

[Peer van Heuen]

Will these dupes work on a standalone player or the PS3?

Yes, they will.

[texhonolize]

Still can't play discs on PS3 while using AnyDVD 6.4.0.4 Anyone know how?

[texhonolize]

Let's get back to decrypting and not price hikes or conspiracies.
Can anyone tell me how I can use AnyDVD to make PS3 playable discs?

[blutach]

I have separated the posts AnyDVD's price (an incredible 51 posts!) with the discussion on what this thread is all about - the achievement of cracking BD+. The price discussion had all but overtaken this and that is wrong. Let's stay on topic here please!

People who want to continue the price discussion can do so in this thread in General Discussions - http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=136561

Regards

[texhonolize]

Does anyone know why or how I can get my AnyDVD BD discs to work on the PS3? Please help.

[SamuriHL]

You're going to need to provide a *LOT* more information than that. Detail the process you're attempting and what errors you're getting.

[texhonolize]

You're going to need to provide a *LOT* more information than that. Detail the process you're attempting and what errors you're getting.

It's really quite simple. I use AnyDVD 6.4.0.4 to copy a disc and when I play it on the PS3 it says, "The video cannot be played (80029941)".

Btw, the disc will play fine only on my PC.

[SamuriHL]

That's exactly my point, however. It's NOT really that simple. You didn't use AnyDVD to burn the disc, for example. If you used AnyDVD to rip the files to the hard drive, then you would have had to use something else to burn a disc using the UDF 2.5 file system. That's the kind of information we need to help you. Personally, I wouldn't bother using AnyDVD itself to do the ripping. I'd just make a straight ISO from the original using ImgBurn or CloneCD with AnyDVD enabled, insert your blank disc, and burn the ISO. No need to mess around with getting the UDF 2.5 settings correct doing it that way.

[jdobbs]

I'm not sure the BD+ stuff will be removed properly if you pull the image with another package rather than rip with AnyDVD... hmmm.... I'd be interested to hear what Peer van Heuen might comment on that subject.

[SamuriHL]

I'm not sure the BD+ stuff will be removed properly if you pull the image with another package rather than rip with AnyDVD... hmmm.... I'd be interested to hear what Peer van Heuen might comment on that.

I already know the answer to that. BD+ removal happens on the fly. :) It WILL be removed if you make an ISO image with AnyDVD enabled.

[3r1c]

i dont see why it wouldnt, you copy the virtual drive that anydvd creates.


i just copy the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folder off the disc to the hdd, make a new UDF blu-ray project in nero, set multisession off, manual settings physical partition UDF 2.50, finalize disc, and burn those two folders on the disc and it works fine in ps3.

The two main parts is you must go and change it to "no multisession" and "manual settings physical partition UDF 2.50" because these are not the defaults, if you dont go and change it each time you make a disc it wont play.

[SamuriHL]

Ewwww, you do it the hard way! :)

I would just read ISO, write ISO. No messing around. And yes, the BD+ protection is definitely removed when reading the ISO if AnyDVD is enabled. Peer has mentioned this before and I have personally verified it myself, as well.

[jdobbs]

Great. Maybe I'll do an ISO on my next one.

[jdobbs]

Ewwww, you do it the hard way! :)

I would just read ISO, write ISO. No messing around. And yes, the BD+ protection is definitely removed when reading the ISO if AnyDVD is enabled. Peer has mentioned this before and I have personally verified it myself, as well.So you write to a blank BD disc? That seems a little expensive for a backup. I did hear earlier today of some BD-R's for $8 each, though. That's not too bad (assuming your original would fit in 25GB). I've been reencoding using x264 and reauthoring movie-only with TSMuxer onto a DVD+R.

[SamuriHL]

That's how I do all of mine. Because I'm not burning them, however, I do it slightly different. I rip with AnyDVD disabled and mount a protected image. The reason is that if AnyDVD has any bugs that corrupt the image, I'm not affected by it and won't have to rerip when the bug is fixed in a new version. Simply remount it, good to go. Just something to ponder.