Slysoft finally breaks BD+

[vio_man]

It seems finally Slysoft beated BD+ :devil:

AnyDVD v6.3.2.0 Beta

6.3.2.0 2008 03 18
- New (Blu-ray): Removes the BD+ protection from Blu-ray discs!
(for increased compatibility with titles released by Twentieth
Century Fox :-) )
- New (Blu-ray): Added option to enable / disable BD+ removal
- New (DVD): AnyDVD ripper no longer uses the Windows filesystem, it
has now its own UDF parser / reader.
Discs which cannot be read by Windows can now be copied with the
AnyDVD ripper.
- Fix (Blu-ray): Black display with some BD discs, e.g., "Layer Cake",
second release, Region B or "The Fugitive", Region B
- Fix (DVD): Small bugfix in "repairing defective disc structure"
function of AnyDVD ripper
- Fix (DVD): Problems with some Arccos protected titles, e.g.
"The Grudge", R1, US
- Some minor fixes and improvements
- Updated languages

[mrazzido]

i doenst see any announce on slysoft forum for the beta

[SuperGoof]

I have just searched Google for "AnyDVD 6.3.2.0" and even found the download link.

[rack04]

Link removed.

[sbcale]

Has anyone tried this yet? Does it work? I will be dancing in the street if this is true. :)

[Peer van Heuen]

http://sandbox.slysoft.com/beta/SetupAnyDVD6320.exe

Please... that is not an official beta and it has a few bugs that have been fixed.
We expect the release to become available today, so pleeeease, just a little patience and don't ruin your day with a beta that wasn't meant for public in the first place... :rolleyes:

[sbcale]

Please... that is not an official beta and it has a few bugs that have been fixed.
We expect the release to become available today, so pleeeease, just a little patience and don't ruin your day with a beta that wasn't meant for public in the first place... :rolleyes:

Thanks Peer!

[Doom9]

@Peer: can I take out the Champaign?

[salehin]

My compliments in advance :D (even though I don't have any BD+ disk)

[Peer van Heuen]

@Peer: can I take out the Champaign?

God, I nearly forgot about that! Sure, let's pour it down... :D

[Peer van Heuen]

Link removed.

Thanks :)

[SuperGoof]

Has anyone tried this yet? Does it work?

It does indeed!

I'm now able to play Fantastic Four 2's 00001.m2ts file directly with Windows Media Player and Media Player Classic (with PowerDVD Ultra providing video decoding, WinDVD BD providing audio decoding, and Haali Media Splitter, well, working as a splitter). It plays perfectly, except that when I switch between audio tracks there is some slowdown and some visual artifacts appear. Not sure if they can be attributed to AnyDVD being not fast enough to descramble the stream 'on the fly' at such 'extreme' conditions, or to something else.

Thank you, Slysoft, and particularly Peer and James!

[SuperGoof]

Peer,

It just came to my mind that by doing binary comparisons between just decrypted .m2ts file, and one which is both decrypted and has BD+ removed, it might be possible to figure out the scrambling (and thus, descrambling) algorithm for this particular movie. (Similar to how I found the algorithm to remove Blu-ray region code by comparing MovieObject.bdmv files). So, if I was in your place, and if this scenario is indeed possible, I would remove an option to enable/disable BD+ removal from AnyDVD interface (make it always enabled) and would also change your web service so it does not send keys for BD+ titles to whose using older versions of AnyDVD. Just a friendly advice ;)

[Dark Shikari]

Peer,

It just came to my mind that by doing binary comparisons between just decrypted .m2ts file, and one which is both decrypted and has BD+ removed, it might be possible to figure out the scrambling (and thus, descrambling) algorithm used for this particular movie. (Similar to how I found the algorithm to remove Blu-ray region code by comparing MovieObject.bdmv files). So, if I was in your place, and if this scenario is indeed possible, I would remove an option to enable/disable BD+ removal from AnyDVD interface (make it always enabled) and would also change your web service so it does not send keys for BD+ titles to whose using older versions of AnyDVD. Just a friendly advice ;)Such a precaution is useless, since a version with that button is already out :devil:

[dimzon]

Congratulations to SlySoft!
Good work!

[deets]

if this turns out to be true, i could finally consider getting a blu ray player, oh the irony :D

[bcrabl]

The stable version is out

[Doom9]

10 years my ... Muhahaha. Finally no more stopping AnyDVD HD and reducing the resolution to 1920x1080 (why oh why did Dell leave out HDCP over dual link DVI in the 3008 when it was in the 3007?) when watching Fox titles.
The BDA should consider giving SlySoft a generous donation for making the clearly less consumer friendly format a heck of a lot more user friendly - first AACS, then the region codes and now BD+.

[Peer van Heuen]

Peer,

It just came to my mind that by doing binary comparisons between just decrypted .m2ts file, and one which is both decrypted and has BD+ removed, it might be possible to figure out the scrambling (and thus, descrambling) algorithm for this particular movie. (Similar to how I found the algorithm to remove Blu-ray region code by comparing MovieObject.bdmv files). So, if I was in your place, and if this scenario is indeed possible, I would remove an option to enable/disable BD+ removal from AnyDVD interface (make it always enabled) and would also change your web service so it does not send keys for BD+ titles to whose using older versions of AnyDVD. Just a friendly advice ;)

I'm well aware, that it is possible to compare streams and record the differences.
It is impossible to determine an algorithm that was used to scramble the data because that simply doesn't exist.

It would require pretty large files to pass on the differences.

That may be an option for non-windows users or for people who are really, really sitting on their wallets :)

In other words: the only ones who would benefit from this procedure, wouldn't buy such a product anyway - so then it's ok with me...

[Stakiman]

I can not be more excited about this!

[bob0r]

Hitman still fails..... figures

[SuperGoof]

It is impossible to determine an algorithm that was used to scramble the data because that simply doesn't exist.

Well, there must be some algorithm. How does that BD+ script work then when it descrambles the data? It might be very sophisticated so it's not possible to figure it out by looking at the two files though.

By the way, can you please tell whether AnyDVD simply runs the BD+ script present on disc 'on the fly' when it removes BD+ encryption (the similar way players do) or you "disembowel" that script in your lab, find what I call the "algorithm" and then create your own descrambling code (possibly different for each title).

[RedFox 1]

This is really big, Slysoft is alone now at the top. Congrats to the whole Slysoft Team.:thanks:

Hitman still fails..... figuresThat title was not out yet when this was in beta, it will be in the next version I would guess, it works on every other title to date.

[Adub]

Great BD+ and MKB4 both revealed, all on the same day!! Check out the HD DVD Keys sticky if you don't believe me.

[frenchglen]

Does this finally make Blu-ray disc a consumer-friendly format?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Well done SlySoft....

Looks like it could be time to spend €63.20.

I wonder how Sony are going to react :devil:

[jdobbs]

I bought the original package and recently paid 30 Euros for the HD upgrade.

This software is worth every penny (and more).

I even had a disc on my hard drive that was BD+ protected. So, just for the heck of it, I used ImgBurn to write it to an ISO, mounted it with Daemon Tools, and reripped. Like magic, it even caught the BD+ and corrected it on the second time through.

[RedFox 1]

I bought the original package and recently paid $30 for the HD upgrade.

This software is worth every penny (and more).

I even had a disc on my hard drive that was BD+ protected. So, just for the heck of it, I used ImgBurn to write it to an ISO, mounted it with Daemon Tools, and reripped. Like magic, it even caught the BD+ and corrected it on the second time through.

Great post from a great author jdobbs. I agree with everything you said. I also updated.

[SamuriHL]

So, jdobbs, now that BD+ is dealt with, any chance of a BD Rebuilder? :D

[Poopoo]

I always knew Slysoft was one of the few companies that actually deserve the money. :)

[Stakiman]

I always knew Slysoft was one of the few companies that actually deserve the money. :)Absolutely. Usually the only thing I buy are the games I play and hardware. But this news made me so happy, that I bought it even without looking at the price. :) Worth it!

[Adub]

Just bought me a license. Excellent job, Slysoft!

[bob0r]

I always knew Slysoft was one of the few companies that actually deserve the money. :)

anydvd(hd)/coreavc/ioftpd(donation)/flashfxp, they earned my money by listening to the wishes of their customers.

[chros]

10 years my ... Muhahaha.
:)

How time flies ! :) Thanks to the Slysoft guys !!!
And thanks for this great community, and especially for you, Doom9 !!!

Greets!

PS: I only have a bottle of wine at home ... :)

[v1rtu0s1ty]

if this turns out to be true, i could finally consider getting a blu ray player, oh the irony :D

Me too! Now, I just need to find a good BD drive. ;)

Great job Slysoft!!!

:)

How time flies ! :) Thanks to the Slysoft guys !!!
And thanks for this great community, and especially for you, Doom9 !!!

Greets!

PS: I only have a bottle of wine at home ... :)

Oh yeah! It is only in Doom9 where I saw intelligent folks!

Kudos to Doom9 as well!!! ;)

[Susana]

Congratulations http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8839/aktion033dr0.gif

[Rectal Prolapse]

Possible bug already?

Robocop BD+, errors after decrypting as reported by mpeg2repair:


MPEG2Repair: E:\RoboCop BD.ts


Sequence Frame 121337(1-B) / Time 1:24:20 :
VideoError: Invalid motion vector code. MBA=3510(480,464)
Additional error(s) detected. Increase VerboseLogLevel in INI file for details.
FileInfo: Last video errors span 793 bytes at file offset 16785151893

Sequence Frame 148522(10-B) / Time 1:43:14 :
Info: End of MPEG2 sequence

Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 19.10 GB, Play Time: 01h:43m:14s
1920 x 1080, 23.98 fps, 39.00 Mbps (20.73 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 105.56 KB/Frame, 0.42 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/1 Channels (L, C, R, S), 48.0 kHz, 448 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
1 of 148522 video frames found with errors.
0 of 193581 audio frames found with errors.
793 corrupted video bytes in file.
0.000000 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log


The m2ts file was stripped of the 4 byte header before being run through mpeg2repair in logging mode.

[Doom9]

If you want drives, there's a LiteOn reader (BD, DVD, CD) that you can find for $110, if you need a BD reader and DVD writer, or a BD burner, I'd look at the LG product line - I have both the reader and the burner myself, they rate quite good, have excellent specs and as a bonus they can handle HD DVD (so you could get a title from the firesale, then put it on a BD later on following the instructions you find in the authoring forum).

[SamuriHL]

I agree with Doom9. The LG drives are superb. I have the GGC read only combo drive (well, it burns DVDs) and has never let me down. It's an excellent drive. I've heard really good things about the GGW drive, as well. I'd like to get one when I build my next HTPC.

[Rectal Prolapse]

Screenshot when the glitch occurs (does not occur when playing the original disc from the drive in PowerDVD):

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/t33535_snapshot20080319170338.PNG (http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i33535_snapshot20080319170338.PNG)

[lolent]

Fantastic news !
Thanks Slysoft. :cool:

[jdobbs]

So, jdobbs, now that BD+ is dealt with, any chance of a BD Rebuilder? :D Lots of that is already around (like RipBot264) -- but I'm sure I'll be doing some BD work.

I'm just really pleased with the folks over at AnyDVD. They definitely made my day. Perfect timing too. In the last two weeks I bought a BluRay standalone for my TV and a BluRay reader/writer for my computer.

Life is good.

[SamuriHL]

Lots of that is already around (like RipBot264) -- but I'm sure I'll be doing some BD work.

I'm just really pleased with the folks over at AnyDVD. They definitely made my day.

That's good to hear. I've always loved and highly recommended DVD RB as it's an INCREDIBLE piece of software. Imaging you working on something for BD brings a big smile to my face. I do, however, realize the very big challenges there. 3 codecs instead of 1, and that's just on video. Audio is another whole nightmare. So yea, I realize this won't be "it's coming next week" type of thing. But it's good to know you've thought about it. I look forward to the day when we have some user friendly tools for dealing with these structures....things like removing trailers and other nonsense while retaining menus would be awesome. I'm not so much caring about compression at this point as I am just having a user friendly way to remove stuff I don't want. I hope that makes sense.

I think Slysoft made everyone's day with this release. It's SO fast and easy. It's deceptive because it's so transparent. There was an ENORMOUS amount of work that went into making that. They really are magicians over there. :)

Anyway, thanks for the reply!

[techouse]

UNholy cow! :D

[Guest]

UNholy cow! :D
Guys, please watch rule 11. I know you're excited but your posts have to be useful.

[linx05]

Wow, great going guys! I bet Peer and the others will get a nice, well deserved bonus :P.

Thank you for your work. Now I just hope they don't find some loop hole and shut you guys down.

[archaeo]

Fantastic news, and it shouldn't be too long before we start hearing of this outside the tech forums on the national news. We can then watch how Sony spins it :p Certainly a huge blow to that 'impenetrable' aura that was starting to surround BD+ ... Sorry Sony.

[blutach]

We can then watch how Sony spins it :p Certainly a huge blow to that 'impenetrable' aura that was starting to surround BD+ ... Sorry Sony.
My heart bleeds for them.

Regards

[FoxRacR17]

WOW! I was an HD DVD support mainly because there was not this added "protection" and I was very sad when HD DVD died. But hearing this news has certainly made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I may consider finally purchasing a bluray drive now knowing that i can make backups of movies that I legally purchased.

Major props to all the guys at slysoft!

[frenchglen]

WOW! I was an HD DVD support mainly because there was not this added "protection" and I was very sad when HD DVD died. But hearing this news has certainly made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I may consider finally purchasing a bluray drive now knowing that i can make backups of movies that I legally purchased.

Major props to all the guys at slysoft!
Exactly! See Sony, by allowing people to make backup copies you actually widen your consumer base, and increase your sales. Well we've enabled it anyway now, so it doesn't matter now.

[Peer van Heuen]

I bet Peer and the others will get a nice, well deserved bonus :P.

No. I got my pay cut for taking so long... ;)

[linx05]

No. I got my pay cut for taking so long... ;)
lol. I hear you're a mathematics genius. How much would it cost to hire you to help my girlfriend out with her math assignments at university? ;) :p

Also, while it is great AnyDVD is the only one having this power (closed source = less harder for the companies to find close any holes or whatever) I still can't wait for it to make its wait to open source.

Once it goes open source, there is nothing stopping us!

Thank you for your hard work Peer, and anybody else who contributed!

[Toti]

To date I have never seen a software being such a great value as AnyDVD HD.

Buying this software sends a signal on what the consumer wants. Please buy this awesome software.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Wouldn't a be better to release a blu-ray update every 4~5 months? this way a lot more titles are out able to be ripped.

[linx05]

Wouldn't a be better to release a blu-ray update every 4~5 months? this way a lot more titles are out able to be ripped.
This would mean users with a specific title would have to wait 4-5 months won't they?

[zag2me]

anydvd(hd)/coreavc/ioftpd(donation)/flashfxp, they earned my money by listening to the wishes of their customers.

In 10 years this is the only software I have really thought deserved my money. Just added slysoft to this exclusive list :)

[frank]

A long time ago our cybernetics professor teached us:

EVERY CODE developed on a certain level of social development CAN BE CRACKED on the same level.
It's only a question of time...

And he is right!! Until today. It is a rule. Muhahaa! :D :D
The morons from the studios will never learn that they useless spend millions of $$ for encryting crap.

[~bT~]

Once it goes open source, there is nothing stopping us!

oh yeah? seemed to stop ripit4me & co.:cool:

[3r1c]

I dont think sony will be too much upset.

BD+ has already served sonys purpose, it won them the format war.

Its the movie studios (mostly FOX) thats going to be really pissed off.

If it had have been cracked few months ago sony would definately be furious.

[uberjay]

Are there any public details about the opcode set and virtual machine for the BD SVM? While I do applaud slysoft's efforts (which are very exciting, trust me), I'm still eager to be able to watch Blu-Ray movies on my Linux-based HTPC.

[lightshadow]

Are there any public details about the opcode set and virtual machine for the BD SVM? While I do applaud slysoft's efforts (which are very exciting, trust me), I'm still eager to be able to watch Blu-Ray movies on my Linux-based HTPC.

Being 100% Linux myself, I really don't think waht you asking for is fair.

Slysoft have spend A LOT of money to develop this crack, and they even give you -20% off AnyDVD HD if you buy it now. Moreover Slysoft is giving the BD+ removal feature for free to existing customers.

That's so large of Slysoft, as it would be perfect understandable if they wanted extra for that feature, just like any other company would do. Remember when you bought AnyDVD HD, that was not a feature.

If you want to use Linux, then buy and use AnyDVD HD on Windows, and transfer the files to Linux, or see if AnyDVD HD runs under Wine of Cedega.

Giving Slysoft the knife now by asking/trying to rip off their work, is just evil, and ruins any future hope of that Slysoft will continue to free us from DRM in the future!

Please appreciate what Slysoft have done, and don't ruin it for us that do.

[GrofLuigi]

Slysoft,

I wish your company growth,

and try to remember not to go Nero way.

GL

[cyberpass]

Damn Slysoft, Just as I was about to post the crack, you beat me to it!

[linx05]

oh yeah? seemed to stop ripit4me & co.:cool:
RipIt4Me wasn't open sourced.

[Adub]

@cybersoft
What's stopping you now?

[hoozdapimp]

@cybersoft
What's stopping you now?

Probably just the fact that he was lying :)

[Susana]

lying ? why not just joking ?

[blutach]

OK guys - can we get back on topic please?

TIA.

Regards

[dragongodz]

sorry Blutach but i think lightshadows post needs a response.

I really don't think waht you asking for is fair.

huh? the guy(or gal) would like to watch or rip the movies on linux. how is that in any way unfair ???? dont be ridiculous. or maybe you think what DVD Jon did so he could play dvds on linux was "unfair" ?

Slysoft have spend A LOT of money to develop this crack
oh so you work for them ? or seen their accounts etc ? compared it to what they had already spent on equipment and any extra sales made etc ? no ? then please dont post such rubbish. you have no idea what this cost them and how much they are making from it.

and they even give you -20% off AnyDVD HD if you buy it now. Moreover Slysoft is giving the BD+ removal feature for free to existing customers.

thats called generating sales and interest. a common marketing tool. sorry but slysoft are not saints.

Giving Slysoft the knife now by asking/trying to rip off their work
WTF??? how is a guy asking about a solution for linux putting the knife in slysoft ? do you think the other people on this forum who have put out other programs for ripping both hd formats are trying to specifically harm slysoft aswell ? if you do you dont know what you are talking about.

Please appreciate what Slysoft have done, and don't ruin it for us that do.
he already said he applauded what slysoft have done so how is him now wanting a similar solution so he can watch his movies on linux going to ruin it for them or you ? its not. infact its a chance now for slysoft to expand their business further by coming out with a solution for linux users aswell. if they choose not to then thats their choice. dont have a go at linux users though for daring to ask for someone to do it.

[blutach]

NP dragongodz - I was referring to the malarky about "lying".

Regards

[lightshadow]

huh? the guy(or gal) would like to watch or rip the movies on linux. how is that in any way unfair ???? dont be ridiculous. or maybe you think what DVD Jon did so he could play dvds on linux was "unfair" ?

How would being able to remove BD+ on Linux enable him to watch BD on Linux?


oh so you work for them ? or seen their accounts etc ? compared it to what they had already spent on equipment and any extra sales made etc ? no ? then please dont post such rubbish. you have no idea what this cost them and how much they are making from it.

Or maybe I do? :)
http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=97367&postcount=199


thats called generating sales and interest. a common marketing tool. sorry but slysoft are not saints.

Talking about giving Slysoft the knife :)


WTF??? how is a guy asking about a solution for linux putting the knife in slysoft ? do you think the other people on this forum who have put out other programs for ripping both hd formats are trying to specifically harm slysoft aswell ? if you do you dont know what you are talking about.

I think "loser" answers that very well.
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?topic=9453.msg61245#msg61245



he already said he applauded what slysoft have done so how is him now wanting a similar solution so he can watch his movies on linux going to ruin it for them or you ? its not. infact its a chance now for slysoft to expand their business further by coming out with a solution for linux users aswell. if they choose not to then thats their choice. dont have a go at linux users though for daring to ask for someone to do it.
Talking about for Slysoft to extend their business for Linux... When you can't watch BD on Linux?

[dragongodz]

How would being able to remove BD+ on Linux enable him to watch BD on Linux?

maybe so he could rip it and convert it ? maybe he would like to set up a media playback from hd system aswell. lots of possibilities.
really i dont see where you have any right to criticise anyone wanting to remove that crap if you are going to applaud slysoft for doing it.

Or maybe I do?

well that would explain a lot.

Talking about giving Slysoft the knife

its common business practise to do offers and specials etc. to generate interest and sales as i said. only an employee or total fanboy would try to paint that as something more or try to have a go at anyone stating such an obvious fact.

I think "loser" answers that very well.

hahaha thats weak, he didnt even ask for it for free. so you are saying someone daring to ask if there is any chance someone will ever manage to do this for linux(commercial or free), doesnt matter if its slysoft or not, is putting a knife in slysofts back ? bull.

with the attitude you have i am surprised you havent had a go at those users on here that have already written hd format ripping programs. how dare they. according to you thats putting the knife in slysofts business.

so thats the last post from me on the subject. its pretty obvious now why you posted what you did.

[lightshadow]

maybe so he could rip it and convert it ? maybe he would like to set up a media playback from hd system aswell. lots of possibilities.
really i dont see where you have any right to criticise anyone wanting to remove that crap if you are going to applaud slysoft for doing it.

So now you admit you can't play BD on Linux? :)

well that would explain a lot.

Yes, that's too bad I knew :)

its common business practise to do offers and specials etc. to generate interest and sales as i said. only an employee or total fanboy would try to paint that as something more or try to have a go at anyone stating such an obvious fact.

You sounds like a nice guy :)

hahaha thats weak, he didnt even ask for it for free. so you are saying someone daring to ask if there is any chance someone will ever manage to do this for linux(commercial or free), doesnt matter if its slysoft or not, is putting a knife in slysofts back ? bull.

the next time you see someone who has spent their time restoring an old car from a dump back into showroom shine, ask them why they are not out on the street giving ppl free rides in it everyday.


with the attitude you have i am surprised you havent had a go at those users on here that have already written hd format ripping programs. how dare they. according to you thats putting the knife in slysofts business.

Again you don't know what you talk about. :)


so thats the last post from me on the subject. its pretty obvious now why you posted what you did.
I have a feeling we haven't hear the last of you. But prove me wrong, and we both win.

[dragongodz]

I have a feeling we haven't hear the last of you.

well if you stopped posting such ridiculous things i wouldnt have to reply. so i will make this short just so you see how totally ridiculous you are being.

the next time you see someone who has spent their time restoring an old car from a dump back into showroom shine, ask them why they are not out on the street giving ppl free rides in it everyday.

a totally missing the point analogy. let me give you a better one.

company A restores old cars and then sells them in city X.

a person from city Y asks "wow thats nice. any chance of someone doing such a thing in this city ?".

your response is that person is trying to knife company A. they are not. they are just asking of the chance of a similar service where they live.

now i can understand you want to promote the company you work for but such silly behaviour as you are displaying is doing nothing to help it. try just promoting the good points of your product and stop trying to have a go at people.

THE END.

[sl1pkn07]

So now you admit you can't play BD on Linux? :)



i`m playing BD/HDDVD on my linux

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Wow. Alright. What an enlightening thread this became. :rolleyes:

Slysoft did an amazing thing with a flew glitches here and there that will be rectified soon enough, I'm sure.

Somehow they've become ridiculous. For anyone who uses Linux I'd advise you to check out all the threads [on the Slysoft forum] concerning AnyDVD and Linux and why it won't happen. It's an old issue. As for Slysoft sharing their secrets... why?

Why can't people just be happy and positive when something as monumental like this happens. Why does stuff always have to become negative?

[sl1pkn07]

linux no equal free

[avih]

Guys, any chance to return this discussion back into a civilized on-topic one? ;)

[archaeo]

Anyone heard any type of response yet from Sony or Fox?

[SamuriHL]

There's this constant sobbing sound in the background of all my BD+ protected movies... :D

[talon95]

There's this constant sobbing sound in the background of all my BD+ protected movies... :D

I dunno, I think I hear them rejoicing for being freed from their oppressive masters. :)

[gioowe]

Well, BD+ should have lasted for 10 years. According to their inventors. They might have forgotten to prepare a speech... :D

[Guest]

Guys, you've been told not to make useless posts. Now I'm giving strikes. This is not a chat room or Comedy Central.

[~bT~]

^ no disrespect here but i think this thread doesn't belong here. it should be in general discussions section (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=8) imo. this thread should include a few laughs after the quotes of the makers of bd+.

[Wombler]

^ no disrespect here but i think this thread doesn't belong here. it should be in general discussions section (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=8) imo. this thread should include a few laughs after the quotes of the makers of bd+.

The thread relates to Slysoft's technical achievements in breaking BD+ so it's in the right place but has been dragged increasingly OT.

This is a truly momentous achievement and in the excitement of things it's natural for people to feel the urge to make throwaway remarks but if you want the fun to continue you'd be better starting a new thread on the lighter side of things in the general discussion area and continuing there. :cool:


Wombler

[rkr1958]

This news made me want to upgrade my version of AnyDVD w/AnyDVD HD. However, I don't own a Blue Ray or HD player and my computer, which is 3 1/2 years old can't handle HD material. Anyway, I'm seriously considering the upgrade just for the future.

Also, it'd be interesting to see the impact of Slysoft's BD+ breakthrough on sales of BD discs. Making discs more user friendly is a sure way to increase sales. It's sad that the MPAA and Hollywood don't get this simple fact.

[Furiousflea]

This news made me want to upgrade my version of AnyDVD w/AnyDVD HD. However, I don't own a Blue Ray or HD player and my computer, which is 3 1/2 years old can't handle HD material. Anyway, I'm seriously considering the upgrade just for the future.

Also, it'd be interesting to see the impact of Slysoft's BD+ breakthrough on sales of BD discs. Making discs more user friendly is a sure way to increase sales. It's sad that the MPAA and Hollywood don't get this simple fact.

Your going to buy a product that you can't use, just because its soo good?

:eek::p

[rkr1958]

Your going to buy a product that you can't use, just because its soo good?

:eek::pOne day in the near future I hope to use it. With free lifetime upgrades I don't really see how it hurts to buy it now versus waiting for a few months to a year to buy it. I really like what Slysoft has done and really want to experience HD.

[Peer van Heuen]

Your going to buy a product that you can't use, just because its soo good?

:eek::p

You wouldn't believe how many of our customers do that - it's a nice way of showing appreciation.
But we're really fine with people waiting until they really use it. :)

[davinleeds]

Your going to buy a product that you can't use, just because its soo good?

:eek::p

Well, I regret not buying the software earlier cause now I need it and the price is higher. So grit teeth and move on.

[frenchglen]

@Peer: do you think they are going to try and resort to verance watermarking?

[Poopoo]

I updated to AnyDVD-HD myself too just for appreciation and because it's a company that sticks to it's promises, not cluttering it up with unneeded bells&whistles. I'm not going to overpay for any Blu-Ray hardware and media if the price isn't reasonable, but I took the decision now, because Slysoft offers such a good service, and (bad me) perhaps they could raise the price a bit once HD-contents become more mainstream and IF there would one day be Blu-Ray-R/RW media, allthough I don't expect this to happen in the next couple of years.

[Zotty]

30 euro just to show your appreciation for an option (not forgetting they promissed BD+ almost 3 months ago). A lot of opensource projects would kill for such donations. Amazing!

They do great work and I wish them all the best, but they're a commercial company, not saints. Sometimes I get the feeling people are forgetting this.

Back on topic. I've seen multiple reports on BD+ and video corruption. Looking at captures this reminds me of the begining days of AACS decryption. As if some types of packages in the stream aren't taken into account properly. Any thoughts on this?

[archaeo]

I've seen multiple reports on BD+ and video corruption. Looking at captures this reminds me of the begining days of AACS decryption. As if some types of packages in the stream aren't taken into account properly. Any thoughts on this?

Could you provide links/sources for reference? Would like to look at more closely. Thanks

[bcrabl]

Some examples

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34828_iceage.PNG

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34830_glitch28129.png

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34831_glitch2.png

[Gradius]

Some examples

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34828_iceage.PNG

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34830_glitch28129.png

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34831_glitch2.png

You're right, but 1st, make sure the media is 100% free of any physical error(s) (leading to a possible read error), if all is fine, then is a bug on decrypting process (Slysoft?).

[bcrabl]

There were no read errors since the old version of PDVD plays the BD+ ISO fine (this ISO was then used for the BD+ stripping),

[Gradius]

IF there would one day be Blu-Ray-R/RW media, allthough I don't expect this to happen in the next couple of years.

Actually...

BD-R (25GB): $13ea.
BD-R (50GB): $30ea.
BD-RW (50GB): $50ea.

Not that bad at all!

[k-c-ksum]

hopefully now with the ability to make 100% back ups this will kick start the blank media manufaturers to get off there arses and get more media out there to slowly drive prices down. ATM its pointless backing up to blank media when hard disc space is way cheaper per gb

edit - how long before a firmware upgrade to standalones kills all playback of none aacs encrypted discs though?

[mike20021969]

edit - how long before a firmware upgrade to standalones kills all playback of none aacs encrypted discs though?
this wont be a problem as discs you record yourself surely wont contain any protection at all?

[jdobbs]

Actually...

BD-R (25GB): $13ea.
BD-R (50GB): $30ea.
BD-RW (50GB): $50ea.

Not that bad at all!BD-RE (25GB) is available at Target for $24

[Doom9]

BD-R (25GB): $13ea.Where? The best I can get around here is a buck per gig and that way I'm better off with a NAS (which I do already have.. same goes with the networked media player that can play high def content.. whereas I refuse to plunk down the $500 a profile 1.0 profile player costs in Europe).

30 euro just to show your appreciation for an option (not forgetting they promissed BD+ almost 3 months ago). A lot of opensource projects would kill for such donations. Amazing!

They do great work and I wish them all the best, but they're a commercial company, not saints. Sometimes I get the feeling people are forgetting this.Give me an open source project that handles all of today's titles plus the next generation (MKBv5/Sequence keys if used, and whatever BD+ features Fox will start using) and even though it's still not the same as the lifetime upgrade (plus no DVD facilities), I'd happily donate $1000 to such an effort. But it seems any non commercial efforts have stopped with MKBv3

[jfcarbel]

this wont be a problem as discs you record yourself surely wont contain any protection at all?

So are you saying that all standalones will have to allow playback of BDMV on BD-R/RE?

I thought that some versions of firmware were disabling this feature.

See my post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=124106)

[jdobbs]

Where? The best I can get around here is a buck per gig... Here's (http://www.meritline.com/philips-2x-bdr-in-jewel-case-br2s2j01f-17.html) one example. It's a five-pack, $13.99 if you buy just one.

[Doom9]

I thought that some versions of firmware were disabling this feature.I remember reporting about that possibility in the news, but I have yet to hear any instance where a BDMV disc on BD-R/E wouldn't play. And iirc, even home level authoring tools do support BDMV.

[unskinnyboy]

aha! Had to come to Doom9 to know about this. Surprisingly, this doesn't seem to have grabbed much headlines in the news aggregators, specifically Google News (except, now that I specifically searched for BD+ under Sci/Tech, I got a few hits). Time to play with those BD+ discs now. ;-]

[k-c-ksum]

this wont be a problem as discs you record yourself surely wont contain any protection at all?


yeah but aacss is mandatory on blu ray discs so a back up could easily be detected. I guess the current firmwares aint checking for this yet though. The only none aacss that is suposed to be allowed is the avchd spec afaik.

[Peer van Heuen]

I've seen multiple reports on BD+ and video corruption. Looking at captures this reminds me of the begining days of AACS decryption. As if some types of packages in the stream aren't taken into account properly. Any thoughts on this?

I haven't seen any of those reported glitches myself yet, but the reports sound plausible, so we may have a minor bug there.
There's a lot of alignment calculation being done there - possible, that there is a bug somewhere.
It's a minor problem, that will certainly be fixed with the next release.

[sugatam]

yeah but aacss is mandatory on blu ray discs so a back up could easily be detected. I guess the current firmwares aint checking for this yet though. The only none aacss that is suposed to be allowed is the avchd spec afaik.

AACS is only mandatory on BD-ROM disks.

[Zotty]

Could you provide links/sources for reference? Would like to look at more closely. Thanks
Some examples

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34828_iceage.PNG

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34830_glitch28129.png

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34831_glitch2.png

I looks like bcrabl visits the same site I do. Above shots are from Ice Age and FF:ROTSS. Haven't got those discs myself, so I can't make an official bugreport, nor would it be my place to do this based on other peoples findings. Just curious what's going on, since this is a major breakthrough.

I haven't seen any of those reported glitches myself yet, but the reports sound plausible, so we may have a minor bug there.
There's a lot of alignment calculation being done there - possible, that there is a bug somewhere.
It's a minor problem, that will certainly be fixed with the next release.
If it's a problem with AnyDVD I'm sure this will be ironed out. Seems that you and your colleages know what they're doing ;)


Give me an open source project that handles all of today's titles plus the next generation (MKBv5/Sequence keys if used, and whatever BD+ features Fox will start using) and even though it's still not the same as the lifetime upgrade (plus no DVD facilities), I'd happily donate $1000 to such an effort. But it seems any non commercial efforts have stopped with MKBv3
You've touched a delicate issue there. I think the biggest problem is that our famous crypto doom9 members are on a long term vacation and that kinda halted further development. They provided the initial keys that got us going.
Speaking for myself I'm software engineer, not a cryptographer. Someone hands me some codes and I can make some software that uses it for decrypting some files. The weak link is that if there are no codes, there's no software. And I'm sure there are more people like me facing the same 'problem'.
Would be nice to start some sort of doom9 HD decryption group that's dedicated to cracking this and provide a opensource project that stays up to date with the latest encryption the movie industrie throws at us.

[bcrabl]

MKBv4 volume keys have started to "leak" from sources other than slysoft :cool: . Hope a prossesing key will eventualy be found. Most probably eventually an OSS software will be developed, but the issue I think is the pressure from the AACS LA and Macrovision to shut down the projects and the fact that there is a very user friendly alternative (AnyDVDHD) priced competitivly.

[Zotty]

In some countries it's legal to circumvent protection if there's no alternative. Playing HD discs using Linux certainly qualifies for this ;)

[Rectal Prolapse]

Peer, any chance you guys can invest in an AVC/mpeg2/VC1 stream compliance checker? Tektronix sells one, and I *think* you can also use the more reasonably priced Elecard Stream Analyser software.

This can be useful for checking the results of a BD+ decryption, and be easier to debug!

What do you think?

[donis]

I haven't seen any of those reported glitches myself yet, but the reports sound plausible, so we may have a minor bug there.
There's a lot of alignment calculation being done there - possible, that there is a bug somewhere.
It's a minor problem, that will certainly be fixed with the next release.

Here's one more (it's from Die Hard 2 encode, but it's present in source also);

http://shrani.si/f/3i/d2/ZF5HttS/glitchthumb.png (http://achumpatoxford.com/u/files/38/glitch.png)

[Rectal Prolapse]

donis, the link doesn't work right now!

Can you give a timestamp for this glitch?

(Slysoft, you really need to invest in an AVC/VC1/mpeg2 elementary stream checker to help identify these glitches!)

[blutach]

@Rectal Prolapse

Any reason why you needed to essentially duplicate your earlier post (#112 posted 7 hours ago)? If not, let it be.

Regards

[donis]

donis, the link doesn't work right now!

Can you give a timestamp for this glitch?

(Slysoft, you really need to invest in an AVC/VC1/mpeg2 elementary stream checker to help identify these glitches!)

Glitch starts @ 1h:03m:08s and is ~1s long (23 frames).

http://shrani.si/f/3i/d2/ZF5HttS/1/glitchthumb.png (http://shrani.si/?28/Q7/1KWk5tvf/1/glitch.png)

[jfcarbel]

AACS is only mandatory on BD-ROM disks.

I read somewhere about a BD-ROM mark on a Blu-Ray and that if it was not present that a BD would not play. How does this factor into prevention of backups on BD/R playing on standalones?

[Doom9]

BD-ROM mark has nothing to do with BD+ (so wrong thread), and it only affects BD-ROM discs (hence the name).

[Rectal Prolapse]

Blutach, just wanted to remind them that they have other tools at their disposal. And frankly it surprised me so much that slysoft didn't perform due-diligence on stuff like this - for a commercial product I would have expected this - that I thought it bore repeating! Do you see where I am coming from?

Also, not a single person has mentioned such a possibility. With all the knowledgeable video experts here I thought it would have been mentioned. It's a double-shock to me!

Thanks Donis! I can use that for reference if/when I decide to remux Die hard 2.

[blutach]

You "reminded" them 9 hours earlier. Enough said.

Regards

[~bT~]

Some examples

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34828_iceage.PNG

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34830_glitch28129.png

http://www.image-load.eu/out.php/i34831_glitch2.png

i think its a player or graphics card issue.

[SamuriHL]

i think its a player or graphics card issue.

It is not. Peer has found the issue and will be releasing a new beta that fixes it in the next couple days.

[tintin1001]

Exactly! See Sony, by allowing people to make backup copies you actually widen your consumer base, and increase your sales. Well we've enabled it anyway now, so it doesn't matter now.

Of course some will use it for good stuff, but everyone knows that the primary use will be Pirat Copies. The millions of people that download torrents from well known pirate sites are those that will benefit the most from this.

And me of course, when BR media comes down in price i can buy a cheap burner, BD-RW and Anydvd and stop caring about Region Encoding and save money buy buying the movies from the USA.

[SamuriHL]

http://sandbox.slysoft.com/beta/SetupAnyDVD6403.exe

New beta to fix the video glitches and add support for Hitman.

[blutach]

Of course some will use it for good stuff, but everyone knows that the primary use will be Pirat Copies. The millions of people that download torrents from well known pirate sites are those that will benefit the most from this.
Everybody does not know that and more to the point, we do not support it.

EDIT: And as for torrentspy - say goodbye - http://www.torrentspy.com/

Regards

[Peer van Heuen]

Of course some will use it for good stuff, but everyone knows that the primary use will be Pirat Copies. The millions of people that download torrents from well known pirate sites are those that will benefit the most from this.


One thing you can tell from scanning through our support queues, is that the great majority of our customers actually use AnyDVD to simply be able to remove region coding, to transcode DVDs to different formats and to - oh my god - watch HD content on equipment that never received a blessing from AACS, but nevertheless is perfectly fit for the task.

I'm sure the "torrent kiddies" are far less than people expect - and they are the ones who make you people here and us look like criminals to "outsiders".

[davinleeds]

My main use is to enable hdd playback of my movies.

A question might be asked: Is the compromise, enable private playback, disable upload? Or cripple upload?

[jfcarbel]

I would love to use it to create a drive on my PC that has all the HD trailers of the movies on BD I own. Now if only the studios would only stop releasing a $25-30 BD with no trailer.

Also to create a best of clips, when of course VideoReDo comes out with a H.264 editor.

[FlimsyFeet]

Everybody does not know that and more to the point, we do not support it.
Unfortunately the message that we don't support it hasn't got through to some people.

Apparently, the Doom9 forums are a hang out for file sharers (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/how-crypto-won.html). (And didn't the BBC label us as a forum for 'hackers' last year?)

[tintin1001]

One thing you can tell from scanning through our support queues, is that the great majority of our customers actually use AnyDVD to simply be able to remove region coding, to transcode DVDs to different formats and to - oh my god - watch HD content on equipment that never received a blessing from AACS, but nevertheless is perfectly fit for the task.

I'm sure the "torrent kiddies" are far less than people expect - and they are the ones who make you people here and us look like criminals to "outsiders".

As soon as i get a BD burner i will most likely be added to your list of customers. A friend of mine is already the owner of 2 Region locked titles that he cant watch on his PS3.

He told me that with ANYDVD + NERO 8 he should be able to copy both Discs to a BR and theirby remove the region encoding?

He is looking for some kind of conformation since a empty disc would cost him something like 40$ in his country plus Anydvd.

No, the titles he has can not be bought in his region, go figure..

My commet about how your tool was used was more in regards to the guys that actually make the first "rip".

[DonPMitchell]

Congrats to SlySoft. It's interesting that this was reported on March 19 here, and I just read about it on The Regsiter today. I guess in another month, it will be in Wired Magazine then. :-)

Is there a good place to read something technical about who BD+ works?

[dimzon]

And as for torrentspy - say goodbye - http://www.torrentspy.com/

OMG. Yet another DMCA victim...

[BrynRhys]

Congrats to SlySoft. It's interesting that this was reported on March 19 here, and I just read about it on The Regsiter today. I guess in another month, it will be in Wired Magazine then. :-)

Is there a good place to read something technical about who BD+ works?
http://securityevaluators.com/eval/spdc_aacs_2005.pdf
http://www.cryptography.com/resources/whitepapers/SelfProtectingContent.pdf

[Peer van Heuen]

He told me that with ANYDVD + NERO 8 he should be able to copy both Discs to a BR and theirby remove the region encoding?


Yes, AnyDVD HD will remove region encoding.
There are a few discs, where it will fail to remove atm, but that's not a general problem, rather a little bug.
Now that BD+ is done, I should find the time to fix that :)

[texhonolize]

Will these dupes work on a standalone player or the PS3?

[Peer van Heuen]

Will these dupes work on a standalone player or the PS3?

Yes, they will.

[texhonolize]

Still can't play discs on PS3 while using AnyDVD 6.4.0.4 Anyone know how?

[texhonolize]

Let's get back to decrypting and not price hikes or conspiracies.
Can anyone tell me how I can use AnyDVD to make PS3 playable discs?

[blutach]

I have separated the posts AnyDVD's price (an incredible 51 posts!) with the discussion on what this thread is all about - the achievement of cracking BD+. The price discussion had all but overtaken this and that is wrong. Let's stay on topic here please!

People who want to continue the price discussion can do so in this thread in General Discussions - http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=136561

Regards

[texhonolize]

Does anyone know why or how I can get my AnyDVD BD discs to work on the PS3? Please help.

[SamuriHL]

You're going to need to provide a *LOT* more information than that. Detail the process you're attempting and what errors you're getting.

[texhonolize]

You're going to need to provide a *LOT* more information than that. Detail the process you're attempting and what errors you're getting.

It's really quite simple. I use AnyDVD 6.4.0.4 to copy a disc and when I play it on the PS3 it says, "The video cannot be played (80029941)".

Btw, the disc will play fine only on my PC.

[SamuriHL]

That's exactly my point, however. It's NOT really that simple. You didn't use AnyDVD to burn the disc, for example. If you used AnyDVD to rip the files to the hard drive, then you would have had to use something else to burn a disc using the UDF 2.5 file system. That's the kind of information we need to help you. Personally, I wouldn't bother using AnyDVD itself to do the ripping. I'd just make a straight ISO from the original using ImgBurn or CloneCD with AnyDVD enabled, insert your blank disc, and burn the ISO. No need to mess around with getting the UDF 2.5 settings correct doing it that way.

[jdobbs]

I'm not sure the BD+ stuff will be removed properly if you pull the image with another package rather than rip with AnyDVD... hmmm.... I'd be interested to hear what Peer van Heuen might comment on that subject.

[SamuriHL]

I'm not sure the BD+ stuff will be removed properly if you pull the image with another package rather than rip with AnyDVD... hmmm.... I'd be interested to hear what Peer van Heuen might comment on that.

I already know the answer to that. BD+ removal happens on the fly. :) It WILL be removed if you make an ISO image with AnyDVD enabled.

[3r1c]

i dont see why it wouldnt, you copy the virtual drive that anydvd creates.


i just copy the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folder off the disc to the hdd, make a new UDF blu-ray project in nero, set multisession off, manual settings physical partition UDF 2.50, finalize disc, and burn those two folders on the disc and it works fine in ps3.

The two main parts is you must go and change it to "no multisession" and "manual settings physical partition UDF 2.50" because these are not the defaults, if you dont go and change it each time you make a disc it wont play.

[SamuriHL]

Ewwww, you do it the hard way! :)

I would just read ISO, write ISO. No messing around. And yes, the BD+ protection is definitely removed when reading the ISO if AnyDVD is enabled. Peer has mentioned this before and I have personally verified it myself, as well.

[jdobbs]

Great. Maybe I'll do an ISO on my next one.

[jdobbs]

Ewwww, you do it the hard way! :)

I would just read ISO, write ISO. No messing around. And yes, the BD+ protection is definitely removed when reading the ISO if AnyDVD is enabled. Peer has mentioned this before and I have personally verified it myself, as well.So you write to a blank BD disc? That seems a little expensive for a backup. I did hear earlier today of some BD-R's for $8 each, though. That's not too bad (assuming your original would fit in 25GB). I've been reencoding using x264 and reauthoring movie-only with TSMuxer onto a DVD+R.

[SamuriHL]

That's how I do all of mine. Because I'm not burning them, however, I do it slightly different. I rip with AnyDVD disabled and mount a protected image. The reason is that if AnyDVD has any bugs that corrupt the image, I'm not affected by it and won't have to rerip when the bug is fixed in a new version. Simply remount it, good to go. Just something to ponder.

[SamuriHL]

So you write to a blank BD disc? That seems a little expensive for a backup? I've been reencoding using x264 and reauthor movie-only with TSMuxer onto a DVD+R.

No, definitely not. :) I back up to images on my hard drive. However, I know others who do back up using that method and it works fine. I agree, too expensive right now! I just read the entire ISO to my hard drive and mount it with the new version of Virtual CloneDrive. AnyDVD removes the protection on the fly from the mounted image with no problem.

[SamuriHL]

Oh, P.S. 6.4.1.1 was just released and now handles the new MKB v7 that will be released soon. :D

[jdobbs]

Oh, P.S. 6.4.1.1 was just released and now handles the new MKB v7 that will be released soon. :D Thanks for the heads-up. I just downloaded and installed it! I sure do like AnyDVD's constant updates...

[SamuriHL]

Yea, those guys are absolutely amazing. MKB v7 technically hasn't even been released yet! But someone on the Slysoft forum got a disc early that had it so they updated. That is some amazing support!!

[SamuriHL]

New version:


6.4.1.2 2008 04 11
- New (Blu-ray): Improved region lock removal from Blu-ray discs
which contain signed Java code

6.4.1.1 2008 04 10
- New (Blu-ray): Added support for AACS MKBv7!
(used on new titles to be released end of April)
- New (Blu-ray): Complete region lock removal from Blu-ray disc,
including discs which contain signed Java code!
- New (Blu-ray): Added dialog to ask for disc region on insertion.
- New (Blu-ray): Automatic option remembers previous region settings
per disc
- New (DVD): Support for protection on "Reservation Road", US
- New (DVD): Many improvements to AI scanner and AnyDVD ripper
- Fix (Blu-ray): BD+ removal did not work with some discs.
- Fix (DVD): Problems with some discs
- Some minor fixes and improvements
- Updated languages


The previous version still had trouble with region code removal on certain signed BD-J discs (e.g. Ratatouille region B).

Now I expect BD region codes to be no issue anymore whatsoever
(Thanks also to Supergoof who had the right idea as to what might have been the problem )

Get it here: http://static.slysoft.com/SetupAnyDVD6412.exe

[setarip_old]

New (DVD): Support for protection on "Reservation Road", USThe necessity of this modification would once again indicate that the "AI Scanner" is not based on "Artificial Intelligence", as it doesn't automatically adapt to new protection schemes...

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

The necessity of this modification would once again indicate that the "AI Scanner" is not based on "Artificial Intelligence", as it doesn't automatically adapt to new protection schemes...

The biggest reason for the addition of the A.I. Scanner was in reducing the needed work to handle newer protections. I believe that looking at what has transpired since the addition of the A.I. Scanner in AnyDVD that it has proven its worth even when issues have cropped up. In some cases there were accidental bugs that slipped in.

The UK release of Curse of the Golden Flower had previously been handled correctly and at some point had a problem again. I believe this protection is similar to the Reservation Road one. Someone at some point probably accidentally made a mistake that caused a bug to slip in to the A.I. Scanner code. The bug has been fixed so that both titles are now handled correctly.

Regardless, this really isn't the point of this thread, is it? I thought BD+ was the purpose? It's nice to see MKB v7 handled so quickly. :) Let's see when they make the next changes to BD+.

[Peer van Heuen]

The necessity of this modification would once again indicate that the "AI Scanner" is not based on "Artificial Intelligence", as it doesn't automatically adapt to new protection schemes...

There is some misunderstanding on this part.
The AI scanner does detect protections based on unreadable sectors. It does that really well - flawlessly actually.

The other kind of protections is messed-up file systems, invalid values in the IFO files (like streams with negative lengths, data outside the scope, ....).
The AI scanner is not designed to handle this type of protection, that still needs "manual cleanup".

[setarip_old]

@Peer van Heuen

Hi!The other kind of protections is messed-up file systems, invalid values in the IFO files (like streams with negative lengths, data outside the scope, ....).
The AI scanner is not designed to handle this type of protection, that still needs "manual cleanup".Thank you for providing a factual explanation of the limitiations of the "AI Scanner"...


The AI scanner does detect protections based on unreadable sectors. It does that really well - flawlessly actually.Isn't that something that virtually ALL the current ripping programs handle properly?

[Pulp Catalyst]

just wondered, before BD+ was beaten, there was a lot of hype comeing from AACS, and sony, saying this won't be beat for such and such, and all the rest of it,

but now BD+ has been done, there's been no news or official news coming from AACS company, i don't suppose any one has any links of official statements from this company, as they seemed to had a lot of talk 5 months ago, and now nothing,

i would deffiently like to hear what the person who said BD+ will not be beat for at least 10 years has to say for himself,

any links any one, thanks

[woah!]

just wondered, before BD+ was beaten, there was a lot of hype comeing from AACS, and sony, saying this won't be beat for such and such, and all the rest of it,

but now BD+ has been done, there's been no news or official news coming from AACS company, i don't suppose any one has any links of official statements from this company, as they seemed to had a lot of talk 5 months ago, and now nothing,

i would deffiently like to hear what the person who said BD+ will not be beat for at least 10 years has to say for himself,

any links any one, thanks

probably because bluray won the war of words now, so AACS will get paid now no matter what, as it is not an optional feature like it was on hd-dvd. just more money the consumers have to shell out to useless crap...

[bourke]

Hmmm that is an interesting point of irony; that despite the format with BD+ winning (due to BD+ itself!) - it will be only AACS that makes the real money from now on!

I.e. if HD DVD had have won, AACS was optional. So by Blu-ray winning, with AACS mandatory, AACS makes a ship load more than if HD DVD had won!

Whereas the BD+ crew lose out big time by this being hacked - as the BD+ will be ditched for three reasons, 1. it is optional, 2. it costs extra, 3. it's been cracked and is ineffective at what it claims!

[gioowe]

AACS is not really mandatory on BD. Okay, the papers says that, that's all. If you don't encrypt, you don't encrypt.

[Peer van Heuen]

AACS is not really mandatory on BD. Okay, the papers says that, that's all. If you don't encrypt, you don't encrypt.

Not really - a couple of players (including PDVD and WinDVD (ArcSoft? Think so too)) will not run an AACS-free disc unless it's a recordable.
That's why AnyDVD makes the system believe, the disc is a recordable medium.

[frenchglen]

Not really - a couple of players (including PDVD and WinDVD (ArcSoft? Think so too)) will not run an AACS-free disc unless it's a recordable.
That's why AnyDVD makes the system believe, the disc is a recordable medium.
Do all standalone players do the same?

[gioowe]

Not really - a couple of players (including PDVD and WinDVD (ArcSoft? Think so too)) will not run an AACS-free disc unless it's a recordable.
That's why AnyDVD makes the system believe, the disc is a recordable medium.

Hm, that's not what I mean.

You can have the AACS folder but you are not required to encrypt any stream on a BD. Well right, in that case you have to pay the AACS LA - so AACS is indeed mandatory. I wonder if you're required to pay at all because AACS is not protected the disc in this case.

[gioowe]

Do all standalone players do the same?

Ask your manual. AVCHD might be a hint. But be aware: AVCHD is using a different file structure.

[Peer van Heuen]

Hm, that's not what I mean.

You can have the AACS folder but you are not required to encrypt any stream on a BD. Well right, in that case you have to pay the AACS LA - so AACS is indeed mandatory. I wonder if you're required to pay at all because AACS is not protected the disc in this case.

Oh, ok, you're right there - but of course even then you won't get past the cashier.

[boombastic]

I successfully backed-up some of my blu ray decrypting them to my HD with AnyVDHD.
Is there's a tool to decrypt just the movie and not the whole disc?that would save a lot of time.
Many thanks!

[SamuriHL]

You need a tool to RIP just the movie. You want the whole disc decrypted. Might seem like semantics, but, it's not. There is a huge difference. I have posted a movie only guide on the Slysoft forum (find one of my posts and look in my sig...I'm late so I don't have time to go find it right now) that uses eac3to and tsmuxer...both absolutely incredible tools. It's a fairly simple process thanks to those utilities.

[woah!]

hey peer, its time for you to look at Jumper BD+, seems they have added some more java, as anydvd says it decrypted it ok,but the result is garbled video blocks. also eacto says the stream is still encrypted too...

[Turtleggjp]

They know. They have received the disc and are working on it. There have been a few threads about Jumper already on their forums. This is most likely a BD+ issue, not Java. SlySoft themselves said that they had not fully implemented everything that BD+ can do, only what has been used so far. Maybe that's what they meant by it will take 10 years to break. They have enough tricks and other codes like this to keep SlySoft busy for 10 years... :rolleyes:

[Revgen]

They know. They have received the disc and are working on it. There have been a few threads about Jumper already on their forums. This is most likely a BD+ issue, not Java. SlySoft themselves said that they had not fully implemented everything that BD+ can do, only what has been used so far. Maybe that's what they meant by it will take 10 years to break. They have enough tricks and other codes like this to keep SlySoft busy for 10 years... :rolleyes:

The whole 10 years thing didn't make sense anyway. If you can play it, then you can crack it.

[Peer van Heuen]

hey peer, its time for you to look at Jumper BD+, seems they have added some more java, as anydvd says it decrypted it ok,but the result is garbled video blocks. also eacto says the stream is still encrypted too...


Fix is already coming up - should be tomorrow, I guess. :)

Java has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[gioowe]

And again SlySoft killed BD+ -awesome!

Those people are incredible, great job. All BD+ titles can be backup up.

[akal]

I cant get anydvdhd to remove bd+ in such a way that I can play independence day just gives a black screen with pdvd 7.3.thx

[SamuriHL]

Does it play with AnyDVD disabled? What you're describing is not a BD+ protection problem. Also, what does the status window show in AnyDVD?

[odditory]

Sounds like AnyDVDHD is something I need to go and actually buy! A breath of fresh air in a sea of crappy apps that aren't worth the money.

[SamuriHL]

AnyDVD HD is absolutely fantastic with excellent support. It's not a cheap product, but, is well worth it IMO. Give the 21 day trial a run for its money and see how you like it. (The trial version is only limited in that it can't retrieve new keys from the server. It is fully functional in every other way. This will only limit you if new titles come out that AnyDVD doesn't already have a key for. And in those cases, upgrading to the next version when it comes out will provide all known keys up to that point). Good luck!