new_gordian_knot

[len0x]

Do you want a source code like that : I add the line "gizmo27 add begin"..."gizmo27 add end" for example ?


I was more hoping for a proper *.diff file. When you checked out sources from CVS (I assume you did that) and modified them locally you will probably have an option in your CVS client to generate the diff from current CVS files.

Having said that - did you modify anything significant in the GUI (like graphics etc)? Because if yes then binary files might have been modified and then diff would be more problematic.

[gizmo27]

I was more hoping for a proper *.diff file. When you checked out sources from CVS (I assume you did that) and modified them locally you will probably have an option in your CVS client to generate the diff from current CVS files.
Not really : I used the GKMod source files provided by Kurtnoise.
I haven't used any CVS for that. I don't know how does it works.

Kurtnoise began to add some code in the source and after I continue

But I never used CVS

I don't know how to make a diff file but I'll search how to

[somebodeez]

Put "DGDecode.dll" in the directory "plugins" of your Avisynth program and your problem will probably disappear ;)

Ok I did that and now I get a new error and the job will not start.

The error now says:

"Avisynth Open Failure:
MPEG2Source: Couldn't open source file or obsolete D2V file."

Edit
My mistake! I copied over the old DGDecode.dll file from my plugins back up folder, not the one from the current installation.
Once I copied the current DGDecode.dll file, I didn't get the error.

I clicked for it to start the job (BTW, the confirmation for starting the job says something like "Ja" and "Nein" - not a big deal for me but thought I'd mention it since this is the English version)
. The Encoder panel says the first pass has started however, VDubMod didn't pop up like it always use to.
I have no idea if it's really working or not since I can't see that. If this is a new feature, I'd really prefer to be able to see VDubMod while it's working. I always like to see what FPS I'm getting ;).
Is there an option for this?

One other little thing - I'd prefer to have the old way of choosing audio options. It's much easier for me and more precise to be able to type in the audio bitrate that I want, rather than the slider.

Thank you so much for letting me try this! :D

[gizmo27]

I have made this diff file (not a proper one as you said) with my changes and the worfdata ones
I know Kurtnoise had created the "Ux264Form.pas" for the x264 cli but after I don't know completly what he add or modified : I can forgot some things so I don't want to tell.
Maybe if you ask him...

I don't know if it can help you but :

GKMod_0.35.1_b2_src.diff.zip (http://gordianknot.free.fr/gordian_knot_tests/GKMod_0.35.1_b2_src.diff.zip)

And this my info_gizmo27.txt :
For all my modifications (mod) and add : I've writed "// gizmo27 add" or "// gizmo27 add begin (...) // gizmo27 add end"
or "gizmo27 mod"

File Ux264Form.pas :

=> What Kurtnoise did is to make a *.setting file containing the command line for x264 (variable string named x264CLIenc)
The matter was GK didn't want to start because the file didn't start with the line "REGEDIT4, etc..."
To make GK encode I've created procedures that go into the file and rewrite the contain with the old structure

So when you click on the button btaddx264 (procedure btaddx264clic, procedure EncodeX264), it runs my procedures and rewrite
the contain/inside of the file : I know what you'll say it's not professionnal at all : but I'm not a programmer and I try to
find by myself what was the matter On this side, sure, the code can be improved ;)

But I did that cause I wanted to see GK again ever if I'm not a professionnal developper

=> I stock the value of X264CLIEnc into a variable (cmdencfirstpass, cmdencsecondpass) for the multipass : firstpass and
second

File Encode.pas :

=> I call the procedures which rewrite the *.settings file : I call them in the procedure "EncodeX264"

File EncoderThreads.pas :

=> following the case of encoding type (mkv, mp4, single or multipass) : I've created procedure which open MS-DOS command line
and give the command line into and encode

File VNandubJobFile.pas :

=> To fix the bug with muxing audio-video with vdubmod I modified in the procedure TJobScript.AddAudioVMod this line :
"List.Add(VModStream + 'SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,' + IntToStr(EncAData.delay) + ');');" (put "1,500,1,0,........." by default
... (I'don't know if it's a good way but it works)

Regards,
Gizmo.

I hope I'll can make and provide a true diff file soon

[somebodeez]

Encoder log says it started 2nd pass now so I guess it's working :D (I'm doing a full length movie)
Still no sign of VDubMod.

[somebodeez]

Full length movie using DivX 6.8.5.11, AC3 audio
Windows XP, SP2

Final results:
File size is correct and the audio is in sync :)

Something is still screwy with the audio however. When the file is played back using Media Player Classic (v 6.4.91) I see a flickering square in the video. When viewing the list of audio filters during playback, MPC shows a list of 12.

I manually added the audio to the test_movie.avi. The flickering square is gone and viewing the list of audio filters during playback, MPC now shows a list of 6.
(screen shots)

[somebodeez]

Log:

12/4/2008 8:35:13 AM: Job " 1 - Test.avi" started.

o Transcode AC3 -> AC3
o DivX5-First Pass: Test.avs
o DivX5 - Pass 2: Test.avs
o Mux Audio.
End of Job 1 ( 1 - Test.avi).
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Gordian Knot
Encoding Job Data:

Type: EncD6_All
Container: Audio-Video Interleave (AVI)
Number: 1
Name: 1 - Test.avi
Platform: Windows XP (5.1.2600).2

Files:
VirtualDubModExe: C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\VirtualDubMod\VirtualDubMod.exe
NandubExe: C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\Nandub\Nandub.exe
AviFinal: G:\test movie and subs\Test.avi
AviMovie: G:\test movie and subs\Test_Movie.avi
AviCredits: G:\test movie and subs\Test_Credits.avi
MovieFS: G:\test movie and subs\Test.avs
CreditsFS:
Log : G:\test movie and subs\Test.log
Stats: G:\test movie and subs\Test.stats

Options:
Quality/DRF: 0
CreditsStart: 0
UseEcf: 1
CreditsIVTC: 0
CreditsAppend: 0
DeleteInterm.: 0
EnforceBitrate: 0
AntiShit: 0

Calculator:
VideoSize: 991278 kbyte.
Audio1Size: 427909 kbyte.
Audio2Size: 0 kbyte.
Overhead: 10315 kbyte.
AviSize: 1429504 kbyte (1396 mbyte).
FilesSize: 0 kbyte.
TotalSize: 1429504 kbyte (1396 mbyte).
Interleaving:
Bitrate: 890 k(=1000)Bits/s
Frames: 218871
FPS: 23.976
Duration: 232:9
Quality: 0.227 bits/(pixel*frame).
CompCheck3: 0.000 bits/(pixel*frame).
CompCheck5: 0.000 bits/(pixel*frame).
Resolution: 640 x 256

Audio:
Mode: Just Mux Source File.
SourceFile: G:\test movie and subs\Test T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -47ms.ac3
Ac3File: G:\test movie and subs\Test T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -47ms.ac3
Bitrate:
Azid: -c normal
Delay: -47 ms
Interval: 0
Preload: 0
Mux: Yes
Recalc: Yes


Audio 1, determined: 427909 kb
Audio 1, calc: 427909 kb

Adding this script to C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\VirtualDubMod\LastJob.vcf :

// $job "DivX6 First Pass"
// $input "G:\test movie and subs\Test.avs"
// $output "G:\test movie and subs\Test_Movie.avi"
// $state 0
// $start_time 0 0
// $end_time 0 0
// $script

VirtualDub.Open("G:\\test movie and subs\\Test.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x78766964,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("G:\\test movie and subs\\Test_Movie.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

// $endjob
//
//--------------------------------------------------
// $done

Started DivX5-First Pass
Finished DivX5-First Pass - Duration: 55 minutes, 19 seconds.
Trying to open Log-file.Success: Log-file open.
Speed: 65.926 Frames per Second.

Adding this script to C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\VirtualDubMod\LastJob.vcf :

// $job "DivX6 Second Pass"
// $input "G:\test movie and subs\Test.avs"
// $output "G:\test movie and subs\Test_Movie.avi"
// $state 0
// $start_time 0 0
// $end_time 0 0
// $script

VirtualDub.Open("G:\\test movie and subs\\Test.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x78766964,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("G:\\test movie and subs\\Test_Movie.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

// $endjob
//
//--------------------------------------------------
// $done

Started DivX5 - Pass: 2
Finished DivX5 - Pass: 2 - Duration: 53 minutes, 29 seconds.
Speed: 68.198 Frames per Second.

Adding this script to C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\VirtualDubMod\LastJob.vcf :

// $job "DivX6 Append"
// $input "G:\test movie and subs\Test_Movie.avi"
// $output "G:\test movie and subs\Test.avi"
// $state 0
// $start_time 0 0
// $end_time 0 0
// $script

VirtualDub.Open("G:\\test movie and subs\\Test_Movie.avi",0,0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource("G:\\test movie and subs\\Test T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -47ms.ac3",0x00000203,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("G:\\test movie and subs\\Test.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

// $endjob
//
//--------------------------------------------------
// $done

Started Muxing Audio.
Finished Muxing Audio. - Duration: 1 minute, 3 seconds.

Done....Movie = G:\test movie and subs\Test.avi
Total Encoding Time: 1 hour, 49 minutes, 53 seconds.
12/4/2008 10:25:07 AM: Job " 1 - Test.avi" finished.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

[somebodeez]

Test AVI GSpot Results:

I hope this helps.

[gizmo27]

It's bizarre, I don't have enought knowledge about that but I think muxing audio-video doesn't influe on the video quality.

It's so curious

[somebodeez]

It's bizarre, I don't have enought knowledge about that but I think muxing audio-video doesn't influe on the video quality.

It's so curious

This isn't like the little pixelly squares you could get on a lousy encode. The video quality is fine :)
This is one big flickering square that is visible on the finished AVI file. When I manually add the audio to the video, it's fine and MPC doesn't use twice the amount of filters playing back the audio.

[somebodeez]

Oh - just a couple of more things - some how GKnot lost the ability to retain my resolution and audio settings. I'd like to see that back because this is most helpful when lining up batch encodes, especially for things like TV series.

And a problem with the "Audio 1" and "Audio 2" options in the Bitrate tab.
It wants to set itself to "No Audio" for Audio1 and "AC3" for Audio 2.

[den78]

And a problem with the "Audio 1" and "Audio 2" options in the Bitrate tab.
It wants to set itself to "No Audio" for Audio1 and "AC3" for Audio 2.
yep, those settings can't be saved :(
And one more thing (not a big deal), can't setup x264 when it's not selected.
anywayz, good work man :)

[gizmo27]

I know that men but it's the max I can do with that

Can somebody explain to me how to do a proper diff file please ?

[gizmo27]

@Lenox

I don't know if it's what you search but Kurtnoise has made a patch for GK : gknot_patch_20081203.zip (http://www.unite-video.com/phpbb/download.php?id=2321)

Hoping it could help you

[len0x]

Yes, that patch was was produces off CVS diff. If you don't want to go that route here is the diff utility: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/diffutils.htm

[oMikR0n]

Good job pals. Continue the good work... I was waiting for this for years :thanks:

[eugenio]

Hi.
I would like to know what else is needed to work with thi version updated with the lastest changes,
can you put please a version all include, please.
Im in a new fresh windows install.

[gizmo27]

Hi.
I would like to know what else is needed to work with thi version updated
You must specify all the program paths, after you need :

=> x264.exe (http://mirror01.x264.nl/x264/?dir=./revision1047)

=> DVD Decrypter (http://www.infos-du-net.com/telecharger/DVD-Decrypter,0301-631.html) or DVDFabDecrypter (http://www.homemedia.fr/logiciels/133-telecharger-DVDFab-Decrypter.html) (most recent that DVD Decrypter)

@Lenox

Do you still need a diff file ? Does this file includes too my changes and worfdata ones ?

[gizmo27]

Can I provide GKMod 0.35.1 beta 2 on downloading sites like Digital Digest and others, telling it's for testing ?

[eugenio]

It only let me to encode in xvid, one problem i cant see the resolution what i need to choose, but i can edit in avs so no problem there but is annoying, this was my fisrt impression, more to come.

[gizmo27]

This is some tests results from a man which can be very useful :

In the x264 encoder configuration on GK, "Mixed Ref Frames" never can be selected, usually it's possible with a max of 2 Reference Frames.

Missing to some options for the x264 which improve the video quality :

-In the "Partition Decision" menu, x264 offers now 'RDO on all frames' option (like Megui but there it must be '--subme'), 'RD refinement on I/P frames', and 'RD refinement on all frames'

-In 'Method Search', there's 'SATD Exhaustive' method (more low but why not ?)

(In the 'MB & B Frames' tab, '4x4 Intra Search' isn't activated whereas 'All' is activated by default. It's activated if we choose else than "all" and re-select 'All' after (just a detail but...))

-Finally, missing (maybe to add in the 'H.264' tab) the slides (with numerical values with commas) : 'Psy-RD Strength' (1,0 by default) and 'Psy-Trellis Strengh' (0,0 by default).
And in the 'More...' tab the remaining : 'Adaptive Quantizers' containing a pop-up list (containing the value by default 'Variance AQ (default mask)' and 'Disabled'), and a slide (numerical value with comma)
'Strengh' (with the value 1,0 by default).

And now there are the screensshots which illustrate what it was said before :
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9971/meguiadvancedx264configdd2.png
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2370/meguircmex264configeq6.png

[gizmo27]

A thing too : you must put dgdecode.dll into the following directory : \Program Files\Avisynth 2.5\plugins

If you don't do that, encoding doesn't works !

[JeanneAllen]

I just wanna say that when I saw this thread, I thought of Alexander the Great cutting the Gordian knot. Why is this called Gordian knot anyway?

[OH_NO_ITS_FRODO]

n00bie question guys, I'm getting this popup on install "where is aviutil located?" (or something similar) what program is that 'aviutil' a part of? thanks for info and a NEW release wooohhooooooooo!!!!

[gizmo27]

I just wanna say that when I saw this thread, I thought of Alexander the Great cutting the Gordian knot. Why is this called Gordian knot anyway?
I don't know really but I found this wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot) which explains the legend

I don't really asked me but perhaps "Gordian Knot" is the solution for "not-solvable" divx problems... ;)
I don't know

@frodo

Can you say with more precision when it occures ? Doing what ?

[gizmo27]

Happy new year everybody !

[Barough]

Happy new year everybody !

Happy New Year to u also gizmo27 :)


Are you getting close to putting together a complete installer for the 'new' GK or?

[gizmo27]

At this time I don't know.

Lenox said he may look at the source but I don't know what he project to do.

But I'm still hoping something new for GK :)

[gizmo27]

@Lenox

Do you plan to commit into the GKMod source (if you have the time of course) ?

[somebodeez]

Fingers crossed!
I STILL haven't found anything that can compare to it. :)

[Spiderm@n]

I currently need just one thing. To be able to use VirtualDub and not VDubMod. VirtualDubMod is no longer updated, unlike VirtualDub. Or probably I need a little time, to write some kind of bridge program, that transfers GordianKnot VDubMod commands to VirtualDub, and uses VirtualDub only when needed (MKV/VBR MP3), and from what I've seen VBR MP3 is supported in the new VirtualDub 1.8.8.

//Edit
Ok, few things. I can't see VirtualDubMod, so I don't know if things are working well. And I can't choose the bitrate for a movie, well I can, if I edit GortianKnot.ini and change "cbHideTabs_Checked" to "True", some of the fields are moved there, but it's not very comfortable to use.
And how do I apply "gknot.patch"?

[OH_NO_ITS_FRODO]

@frodo
Can you say with more precision when it occures ? Doing what ?

Hey guys, sorry for the delay in response..

it happens when autogk gets to the VobSub 2.23 install part..."select dir where AviUtil is placed at" (i'm installing the autogk 2.53.beta right now) it happened the last time on autogk2.50.alpha also.

I've searched my HDD for it and i can't see it anywhere.

thanks for any info

EDIT: I just saw this link: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-101864.html

is this program needed? is it archaic at this stage? sorry for the n00bie questions.

[Spiderm@n]

There's an option not to install it, so just don't, remove the tick befor the AviUtil option and you're good to go :):):).

[gizmo27]

@spiderman

Thanks a lot if you can bring something from you in GKMod

It's so cool to see someone in more who's interested by GKMod

Regards,
Gizmo.

[gizmo27]

@spiderman

I think the best should be to give the choice to the users : to use VDubMod for those who'd like to use it again and to use VDub for those who'd like to use VDub

No ?

[Spiderm@n]

Actually, I was just thinking about a bridge app. Where it asks for VirtualDubMod, you put the bridge and instead of VDubMod it starts Vdub, choosing the right parameters. It's some keys that GKnot uses to call VDubMod, and are not presented in VDub, that's why you can't choose whitch one to use freely. Anyway, it'll be a bit harder, because I'm using Vista x64, and I'm still using something as old as Borland C++ 3.1 (a pretty old DOS IDE), and programs written in it don't work in x64 OS. I'll see what I can do, may be it's time to learn something new :):):).

[OH_NO_ITS_FRODO]

There's an option not to install it, so just don't, remove the tick befor the AviUtil option and you're good to go :):):).

Thanks Spidey, but i still get errors on that second part even when its unchecked. argh! also get some problems where it trys to overwrite a file/s in the system32 directory.

[gizmo27]

@spiderman

Thanks to try to do that man.

What do you mean by "bridge" ? Like a plugin to add or not ?

I just asked if instead of using VDub GKMod couldn't use mencoder like MeGui ?

Just an idea...

[Spiderm@n]

Imagine, that VDubMod has "-a" parameter, and VDub doesnt have it, but has "-b" and some other, that work, so the bridge takes "-a" and uses it as "-b", so Vdub works with the data :):):).

[gizmo27]

aow yes sorry

those 2 softs don't work with the same script... so you may make a transcripter.............................................................

No I joke :)

[Spiderm@n]

Let's see if I can make anything first, and then will think what it is :):):).

[gizmo27]

Hoping you could do something

I'm not a programmer so I spend my free time asking to developping forum how to... I spent a lot of time to understand a few how the GKMod source worked... I spent hours and hours... Sometimes nearly to become crazy...

Sure you can't understand if you aren't instead of me... But I tell you it wasn't easy

But it bringed me some knowledge and improved my little Delphi knowlegde : always little.

I have tons of hopes someone take a look and improve the source code

Sure my code is not professional at all I know that

But I wouldn't made that if I wasn't interested by this...

For me GK will always stay the best of all the encoders

That's all.

See you soon.

[gizmo27]

Any news about GKMod ? Spiderman ?

[Spiderm@n]

Unfortunately, no.

[gizmo27]

:( I don't want to think GKMod is out

I can't think such a thing like that

After all those things I did

[somebodeez]

Still haven't found a program that can beat it so I'm still using it!

[gizmo27]

<gizmo27 joking man>
Still haven't found a program that can beat it so I'm still using it!

If you look at the words in red :

Still haven't found (what I'm looking for) = U2 :cool:
Beat it = Mickael Jackson :cool:
Coolies 1980's...

What have I winned ?

(don't pay attention : it's loud :) ;))
</gizmo27 joking man>

More seriously
As you can see we still camp in the place : in our positions ;)

[somebodeez]

Well I just gave the latest AutoGK a try.
Still don't seem to be able to use custom filters in it and that just won't do.
Back to GK I go!

[oMikR0n]

I tried MeGUI and i am happy with it so far

[gizmo27]

@Lenox

A day you came into the topic and said you were interested by the GKMod source and asked to us to give you the modifs of the source.

And after nothing. Why ?

I think it would be sympathic for you to tell us where are you about this project and why you decided to abandon if it's the case.

I'm sure that more than 1 person should be interested about that.

Thanks in advance.