The 'Wish List' [merged]

[magic144]

@jdobbs

don't know if this has ever been discussed before,

just wondering if it is easy/possible to select a default audio stream if encoding/retaining more than 1 - e.g. in a foreign language film, perhaps you might choose to make a movie-only backup with a default playback option of the original language soundtrack with English subtitles chosen and enabled???
(or another combination of your choosing, depending on your nationality/languages-of-choice!)

just a thought - don't know how straightforward it would be - it certainly only applies to a small number of films I watch, but being able to define a default setup would be good

[blutach]

You might wish to explore PgcEdit's macro Jump to PGC On DVD Insert (Guide on site). What you do is trace through the DVD but in this case you go to the audio menu first, select the track you want, and return to the main menu before telling the macro to do its stuff.

Nothing happens to the VOBs - it's all in the commands of the IFOs.

Regards

[magic144]

cheers blutach

can you give me a link to the specific guide to which you are referring?

does this technique work even if you are not including/keeping menus (i.e. doing a movie-only build?)

m

[magic144]

Blutach,

I had a quick look at this link

http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/blutach/How_to_use_PgcEdit_new_macro.htm

and had a run through it,
but I can't quite see how to set the default audio stream/sub stream on insert, without having an audio menu in-place (which I don't have on my movie-only backups)

can you give me some more specific instructions?

cheers

m

[fogelsong]

Magic,

I don't have the answer to your question, but you probably be better off asking in the IFO/VOB Editors forum.

http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=50

[DK]

i have posted some aspects here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=723575#post723575

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

don't know if this has ever been discussed before,

just wondering if it is easy/possible to select a default audio stream if encoding/retaining more than 1 - e.g. in a foreign language film, perhaps you might choose to make a movie-only backup with a default playback option of the original language soundtrack with English subtitles chosen and enabled???
(or another combination of your choosing, depending on your nationality/languages-of-choice!)

just a thought - don't know how straightforward it would be - it certainly only applies to a small number of films I watch, but being able to define a default setup would be goodRemapping audio is already on the list for v1.10 -- not positive which of the (fairly substantial) list will make it in...

[jptheripper]

hmm.. i would love to see that list

hope pal 2 ntsc is at the top!

[Video Dude]

hope pal 2 ntsc is at the top!

Thats the feature I'm hoping for the most, even if its just movie only at first.

[dannyv]

Remapping audio is already on the list for v1.10 -- not positive which of the (fairly substantial) list will make it in...

I hope its at the top of the list. I would love that feature. It would be nice to be able to map a DTS stream as the default stream instead of having to select it on the set top player every time I play it. I know its not DVD spec and people that can't decode DTS would usually get white noice or no sound at all but for my own use it would be nice to be able to do.

[magic144]

as long as the source was progressive, pal2ntsc or vice-versa should be 'reasonably' straightforward (in a movie-only mode) now that DGPulldown is on the scene, no?

[blutach]

Blutach,

I had a quick look at this link

http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/blutach/How_to_use_PgcEdit_new_macro.htm

and had a run through it,
but I can't quite see how to set the default audio stream/sub stream on insert, without having an audio menu in-place (which I don't have on my movie-only backups)

can you give me some more specific instructions?

cheers

mSee this 2COOL guide - works just as well for audio streams (and you can do it without menus).

http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subtitles/subtitles_on_default_pgcedit.htm

Regards

[blutach]

Speaking of wishlists - I think jdobbs knows my only wish - the ability to easily do a selected title (eg main movie) without compression, and only re-encoding the others (extras, say).

Regards

[DrShrinker]

Support for closed captioning would be awesome

[jdobbs]

CC will is also on the list.

[feedback]

A 2x fast forward in the video segment editor would be nice.

Regards,:)

[Carpo]

I dont know if dvd-rb can already do this - so sorry for posting if it can - but could you add the ability to remove the warning screens (copyright - and the views on this dvd blah blah blah) i know you can blank out most things through the segmant editor - but sometimes these screens are in the video_ts.vob and not sure if dvd-rb looks at this.

This is the only reason i need to run any of my backups thru vob blanker before i let rip with dvd-rb.

[Mr. Monte]

Carpo..have you tried DVDRemakePro?

[Carpo]

ye - but i dont want to use to many progs ;) if i have to learn how to use one prog i forget how to use the other :D

[blutach]

Understood Carpo and hopefully jdobbs will add your request in to round off the package. However, in the short term, you might like to use VobBlanker, which does this very easily.

Regards

[ljpp]

Compressed menus, with adjustments for quality/saving bits...

Optimized, better documented, perhaps automated matrix selection.

[blutach]

ljpp - I am not sniping here, but I feel that, in your request for additional documentation, perhaps you may have overlooked rockas' wonderful help files and indeed the threads here on RME.

If you haven't done so already, do have a good look at them - they are very very informative.

Regards

[2COOL]

See this 2COOL guide - works just as well for audio streams (and you can do it without menus).

http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subtitles/subtitles_on_default_pgcedit.htm
Yes, this guide works perfectly for backups without menus.

For ones that have, I would use the "Jump to PGC upon DVD insert" macro in PgcEdit for setting the streams.

[magic144]

Can I just say thanks for all the references to the guides for using external tools for doing various functions like trimming/cutting intro scenes or setting DVD params like default audio streams or subs

my hope is that one day these functions that can be done by these other programs will one day be available in DVD-RB - as somebody recently said, we don't want to have to learn too many tools, coz we'll forget how to use the other ones! - it would just be nice to have everything under one umbrella

it IS good to know how to do things with the other stuff out there right now - it is my hope (and hopefully one shared by jdobbs) that eventually it won't be necessary

thanks for all your considered input - this community rocks

m

[Carpo]

Understood Carpo and hopefully jdobbs will add your request in to round off the package. However, in the short term, you might like to use VobBlanker, which does this very easily.

Regards

from an earlier post of mine

This is the only reason i need to run any of my backups thru vob blanker before i let rip with dvd-rb.

:D

[ljpp]

Blutach,

I am not thinking about myself, as I don't need them - I am thinking about the Joe Average.

[blutach]

Well, I would hope Joe Average can read rockas's files too. Yes, DVD concepts take a bit of learning, but rockas's help is, IMHO, a very practical guide to DVDRB.

Regards

[laserfan]

I just did a Movie-only "Convert 4:3 Letterbox to 16:9 Anamorphic" on a DVD-5 disc and it worked great. I got the warning "This disc doesn't need to be compressed, do you know what the heck you are doing?" or whatever that dialog says.

This is a small thing, but if DVD-RB could recognize that there was something being done w/Avisynth relative to the conversion (even though that's all that is being done, ie. no shrinkage), and avoid that dialog, it would be less disconcerting, at least for newbies to the program.

BTW I've "discovered" that using DVD43 w/RB turns RB into truly a one-click solution for some discs!

[FredThompson]

I can think of 4 things which would be nice:

1) A user-defined global destination size prior to phase 1 to allow one-button processing to a specified size.

2) User-defined auto-shelling to a support app after phase 1. This would allow running RB-Opt (or a similar helper) automatically.

3) Combined phase 2 and 3. Maybe I missed this in the menus but the only way I see to do it is during batch creation.

4) Updated DGDecode. Given Nan's release this isn't so important any more. Verison 1.1.0 puked on some portions of a PAL disc I have and it's not so friendly with streaming MPEG2.

Why streaming MPEG2? Imagine various DVR sources. Home-made episode collections sometimes need a little reduction or maybe re-encoding to make them "play nice" with hardware DVD players. This would also be a way to make a DVD structure with HD content but fit to a custom size.

Similarly, RB-Opt, or an similar support ap would be nice if it had:

1) DVDShrink-like display with preview and before/after display for each entry. This is incredibly helpful with episodic streaming MPEG2 source. Smaller streams might be set for no re-encoding. Episodes might be set to autofit (a la DVDShrink) or a grouped auto-fit setting based on run length, not original size.

2) Support for sync adjustment.

Why a support ap like RB-Opt? It keeps the DVD-RB code base clean and doesn't necessarily put all the burder on jdobbs.

[FredThompson]

and another...

5) some kind of "I'm still alive" report on complex source. I'm stress testing against LOTR ROTK EE disc 3 with the Nan DGDecode, ProCoder (mixed format source) and AviSynth 2.5.6. It looked like DVD-RB Pro 1.01 died so I killed it. Well, it wasn't dead, there were more than 4,500 items in the working directory. I realize this is not the common nature of a disc. These LOTR and the enhanced Disney discs are the most complex I've ever seen. Still, it would be nice if there was some kind of visible report which shows progress during phase I.

[Carpo]

dvd-rb gives no errors with new avisyth ?

[blutach]

@FredThompson - re (3): I thought this 2 click mode had been implemented by virtue of pressing "rebuild" and not "encode". This takes care of both steps, AFAIK. Or at least this was mentioned.

Very much agree with (2). That way, DVDRB can be used as a master calling prog, putting itself away for the cool peripheral progs. This is a feature I particularly like in PgcEdit.

And agree strongly for (1), although not just for one button.

Regards

[FredThompson]

@Carpo,

No errors with AviSynth 2.5.6 so far. I'm testing vs. LOTR ROTK EE disc 3 right now. 2.5.6 is bugfixes and some new commands. If there's a problem, it would probably be due to unintentional changes in other parts of the build.

Some kind of "proper" support for encoder farms of unlimited size would be nice. The current support app for farms doesn't work with all encoders. Is this really that impertant? No. It just seems a natural function to have in the "core" application.

[jptheripper]

dvdrb farm doesnt work with ilvu atm either

[feedback]

@FredThompson - re (3): I thought this 2 click mode had been implemented by virtue of pressing "rebuild" and not "encode". This takes care of both steps, AFAIK. Or at least this was mentioned.


Regards
blutach is correct. That is the way it works for me.

Hit Rebuild instead of encode and it works like a charm.

RB becomes, in effect, a two click .

Regards,:)

[k2002rahmani]

i may be the only one that cares about this, but I would love to have a TitleWriter implemenation so that the discs can be named from within DVD-RB. Also, DVD Decrypter's actual decryption would be a nice hackable add-on.

[Carpo]

you can name discs if you select the make iso option in dvdrb

[FredThompson]

Compressed menus, with adjustments for quality/saving bits...

Optimized, better documented, perhaps automated matrix selection.This should be easy enough. Wilbert's reply when I asked about folding ColorMatrix into DGDecode:

It's not only possible, but it is already implemented. You have two options:

1) use hints=true. The matrix can change in a clip and hints=true can handle that.

2) specify d2v file. d2v = ... It will read out the d2v for the coefficients.

(1) is slower than (2).

[k2002rahmani]

Naming the disc is not the same as making a title using TitleWriter. That makes it so that the title appears on compatible DVD players, namely the Sony Multidisc Players.

[johnnyquid]

Nothing to important since you can use the segment editor to do it manually but it would be nice to have another mode "menu and extras". Better yet would be to have a mode that made two iso images: one that was "menus and movie" and one that was "menus and extras" in one shot.

[Video Dude]

you can name discs if you select the make iso option in dvdrbI think he was referring to DVD TEXT.

[writersblock29]

@johnnyquid

I had to do Saharra that way within DVD Shrink (Inserting "Video has been removed" frame for the movie on one disk, the extras on the next), so I guess I could second your suggestion; I've found myself creating backups this way more than once.

I'd like the option to insert a frame such as the "Video has been removed" within Rebuilder. I like having such a frame present itself when you select an option which you've removed... keeps you from thinking there's a burning or playback issue months down the line when you actually find enough time to watch your backup. Not a BIG deal, no. But still adds a nice, finished, touch.

That, menu reduction, and perhaps a running time on each VTS (like Shrink uses). I may be repeating others... but those are my votes!

[HKT3020_1]

@johnnyquidI'd like the option to insert a frame such as the "Video has been removed" within Rebuilder. I like having such a frame present itself when you select an option which you've removed... keeps you from thinking there's a burning or playback issue months down the line when you actually find enough time to watch your backup. Not a BIG deal, no. But still adds a nice, finished, touch.

That, menu reduction, and perhaps a running time on each VTS (like Shrink uses). I may be repeating others... but those are my votes!

I don't know if I'm alone but I really don't see the need to insert a frame stating "video has been removed" because in most cases if it is blanked with DVD-RB then if you select a portion that has been blanked the the menu button will move right along avoiding the need to display the frame completely. As for the wish list, I do remember Jdobbs mentioning menu reduction being introduced somwhere along the time of V1.10, but what would be really nice to have is a start from main menu option when blanking extras. :sly:

I'm very pleased with the progress of this program, just last week I ran a great looking backup of Batman Begins and watched it on my 52" HDTV. Long story short, thanks a ton Jdobbs for all your efforts. Like many here, I look forward to whatever added features you include in the future. :thanks:

[FredThompson]

You can use other toolds (DVDShrink, VobBlanker, PGCEdit, etc.) to change the nature of your source before running it through DVD Rebuilder. That's how I, personally, would do a "video removed" static display.

However, why bother? All that will do is take up space and look tacky. You can use PGCEdit to remove buttons and mark segments for removal then purge them with VobBlanker. That's how I get rid of previews and other junk.

jdobbs doesn't want to discuss altered source because mis-use of other tools opens a real can of worms for him. That makes sense.

Still, you might find it helpful to run PGCEdit on each source. Many commercial discs have bad control structures.

--

If encoder-generic farming is introduced, how about a way to set program priority on the farm machines? Maybe a default priority of very low, assigned to the DVD-RB client as well as the encoder to help prevent interferring with other programs which might run on interrupts. (I'm thinking about voice, fax, email, etc. - client programs which wake up and want machine cycles. Sometimes they can't be starved or they get all screwed up.)

[writersblock29]

@FredThompson

I already own and use DVD Remake Pro, which will allow me to remove buttons, strip things, blah-blah-blah. And I already run projects through DVD Shrink for the "Video has been removed" stills. I added the request for being able to add a "Video has been removed" still via DVD Rebuilder because I find it more practical -- and time-saving -- to use 1 program to do everything I need to do; set 'er up, and let 'er go. If Jdobbs doesn't feel that enough people want this feature, that's all fine and good (hell, if he simply doesn't FEEL like adding this feature, more power to him)... I'm not the type of person who complains endlessly about not getting my way. No sleep lost on either side whether this feature's added or not. I, personally, just thought it'd be useful.

Also, the "Video has been removed" stills DON'T use much space; in fact, they usually only occupy the same amount of disk space as an animated menu segment, which Rebuilder currently doesn't touch.

[FredThompson]

Try using a still image in DVD Shrink to replace something big like some of those hideously large preview segments and you'll see it's not just one frame. That's never made any sense to me.

If you already have a way to remove buttons and paths, why would you want a "removed" screen? If you kill the path and content, you won't end up there.

[writersblock29]

@Fred Thompson

[Qouted] "Try using a still image in DVD Shrink to replace something big like some of those hideously large preview segments and you'll see it's not just one frame."

Yeah, it's several. Most of the time, these "Video has been removed" segments are still small enough to ignore, and allow me to process as usual with Rebuilder. In the event that the "removed" segment is still objectionably large, I'll import it into DVD Remake and convert those areas to still (which normally turns it into a TRUE still of around .25MB or so). It's funny how DVD Shrink's author had intended to use stills (and Remake proves that it can, indeed, be done)... but it doesn't work out that way.

[Qouted] "If you already have a way to remove buttons and paths, why would you want a "removed" screen?"

Once again, FredThompson, personal taste. Period, and end of story. Call me anal, but having buttons that you CAN select -- but don't do anything -- bothers me. It's nice to have an explaination when you do select something that you've removed, rather than thinking there's some kind of playback or burning error. (Most of the time, several months have gone by since DOING the backup, to when I finally get to WATCH the backup.) I personally feel that it gives the backup a polished, professional, feel. Having buttons that don't do anything -- to ME -- gives it a half-assed, butchered, feel. Likewise being able to SEE a button that's no longer there and unselectable. I'll let it go when it comes to audio streams that I've removed (I give those the DVD Remake treatment) since that's rarely a menu screen that I'll see; it bugs me, but I'll let it go, since the only other option is reauthoring... and how often would I try selecting a language I don't speak? But -- one more time for effect -- the whole thing is JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, and something that I, MYSELF, would find useful. You never know if others feel the same if you don't speak out yourself, and apparently you (and HKT3020_1) don't. If Jdobbs doesn't either... cool: You can't please all the people all the time. And if I stand alone in wanting a feature like this, I totally see why it wouldn't be added. Again, it's cool. This thread is about requesting features, and I've made my voice heard. Next subject, please.

[jdobbs]

It's pretty simple to implement so I've added it for the next version as a hidden INI setting. The default will be blanking without text.

The great thing about options is that you can use them if you like them -- and don't if you don't...

[writersblock29]

@Jdobbs

Sweet! Thank you very much!

[FredThompson]

@writersblock29 ,

Chill, dude.

[FredThompson]

Scrolls bars and no word wrap in the AVS editing window would be nice.

[Edsel]

Unless I'm missing something, a way to automatically handle dvd rom stuff would be good.

Currently, you have to hope the dvd rom files are smaller than the space the disk undersizes to at the end of processing. Which works fine for many disks, but I had a disk recently that had 100megs of dvd rom files, and so had to play trial and error adjusting the sector count in the ini file trying to find the right amount to reduce it by.

I copied the dvd rom files into the directory before processing with Rebuilder, but it didn't take that into account. Doing it that way would be my first choice. Optionally, you could have some sort of menu choice, where you filled in an amount of space in megs to leave on the disk.

[FredThompson]

@Edsel, use RB-Opt after phase I to set your target size. I do this all the time because I put scans of the disc, cover and booklet on there. A lot of the ROM files included on discs are pretty worthless, though. That Actual player and a handful of web pages that are fairly common just waste space.

[jdobbs]

Unless I'm missing something, a way to automatically handle dvd rom stuff would be good.

Currently, you have to hope the dvd rom files are smaller than the space the disk undersizes to at the end of processing. Which works fine for many disks, but I had a disk recently that had 100megs of dvd rom files, and so had to play trial and error adjusting the sector count in the ini file trying to find the right amount to reduce it by.

I copied the dvd rom files into the directory before processing with Rebuilder, but it didn't take that into account. Doing it that way would be my first choice. Optionally, you could have some sort of menu choice, where you filled in an amount of space in megs to leave on the disk. I'll look at a way of reserving space for the "other stuff". Most of the time there is enough space left because the default target size leaves a little head room. I hate to automatically take it into consideration, though, because I think most people would rather use that space for video. Maybe I'll add a "keep other stuff" option?

[feedback]

Right now DVD-RB leaves menus intact. So if you compressed them with Shrink beforehand there is no danger of DVD-RB compressing them again. Just just a forewarning... menu compression will be implemented in the DVD-RB Pro package in the not too distant future, so plan for it.
I was just wondering if the Menu compression option was still on the table, so to speak?

You can read the original post Here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=622849&postcount=5)

Regards,:)

[SpazzHH]

And I was wondering about the status of multiple encoders for the same project. You know like CCE for all progressive material and HC or Procoder for all interlaced?

[jdobbs]

@feedback

yes

@SpazzHH

yes

[spyhawk]

@jdobbs,

Sorry if this has not been mentioned already, would you mind add the capability to convert to still for the menu segment beside compression?

And add ability to select certain VTS for reencoding, and ignore the rest.

Thanks. :)

[DK]

@feedback

yes

@SpazzHH

yes

a possbile YES on this, too? :D

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=723575#post723575

[TuRiSOft]

What about Audio Re-Encoding (i.e. LPCM-->AC3 2.0,LPCM-->MPegAudio,AC3 5.1-->AC3 2.0 or MpegAudio and so on .... ) ?

[thewonderer]

I'd like to see the option to change the target size of the output, handy if you're gradually putting a dvd together.

Also, a option to change the process priority of the encoder (cce etc) would be great as in normal priority, cce hogs resources a lot.

[TuRiSOft]

....Also, a option to change the process priority of the encoder (cce etc) would be great as in normal priority, cce hogs resources a lot.

You can simply create a .bat file with this line into it :Start /LOW rebuilder.exe and all depending apps will have IDLE Priority !!!

[Video Dude]

I'd like to see the option to change the target size of the output, handy if you're gradually putting a dvd together.
You can do that already by adding a line to the ini file. Read the sticky thread to find out about the hidden settings.

[thewonderer]

I looked in the hidden settings thread but could not see a option to lower the process priority for cce... please advise on this setting and it's options.

I still think it would be good to have this as an option in the GUI as I'm sure quite a few people would like to lower the priority of the encoder....

Thanx

[SpazzHH]

@ thewonderer
You can simply create a .bat file with this line into it :Start /LOW rebuilder.exe and all depending apps will have IDLE Priority !!!

This is quoted from 2 posts above yours. There is no setting in the .ini file. You must create a .bat file.

[apfraats]

Full Automatic ArrCOSS protection removal would be nice too :D


Nope without joking, a review of the MA (Multiple-Angle) processing would be nice, as I'm still having problem with this.......

After a run through DVD-RB, the switching from 1 to another angle is still not in sync, resulting in audio hickups/skips and sometimes picture disortion at switchpoint..... On the Original DVD the switching is perfectly in sync and there is no audio skip/hickup and/or picture interruption.....

[wfn1]

*** EDIT: Please disregard this request, it's already there in hidden settings. Yes I am an idiot.

Not really a necessary feature but if possible I'd like to have an option to get the size of the output closer to 4.38GB in non-OPV mode.

I.e. in DIF4U there's an option for that which gets the output to 4,695,xxx,xxx - 4,698,xxx,xxx bytes. I think it's pretty safe because most of the + and - media I encountered is 4,704 to 4,707 decimal MB in size. In RB my most consistent figure is around 4,635,xxx,xxx bytes, give or take 5MB.

I know that 60MB slack is not a lot bitrate-wise, but if I could squeeze every last bit out of a DVD-R it would stop my OCD from flaring. ;)

[TuRiSOft]

*** EDIT: Please disregard this request, it's already there in hidden settings. Yes I am an idiot.

Not really a necessary feature but if possible I'd like to have an option to get the size of the output closer to 4.38GB in non-OPV mode.

I.e. in DIF4U there's an option for that which gets the output to 4,695,xxx,xxx - 4,698,xxx,xxx bytes. I think it's pretty safe because most of the + and - media I encountered is 4,704 to 4,707 decimal MB in size. In RB my most consistent figure is around 4,635,xxx,xxx bytes, give or take 5MB.

I know that 60MB slack is not a lot bitrate-wise, but if I could squeeze every last bit out of a DVD-R it would stop my OCD from flaring. ;)

IMHO you have to try and search for diff values of targetsector. For my own I finally found it , it makes me end up with 5~15 Mb of unused space whatever encoder and option I use (I extensively tested it with CCE {2.50 - 2.66 - 2.67 - 2.70.01.05 - 2.70.02.00} HC , QuEnc and Procoder on more than 100 Titles even same result) . I had oversize only 4~5 times , everytime it was a DVD with great Number of VTSs . I don't know if this apply either in NTSC land , 'cause I've never done one NTSC title (PAL Land) but I'll give you the value I found : 2257000 . Put it in the [Options] section of rebuilder.ini as TargetSectors=2257000 and try it. I would also reccomend to use it together with vts_min_size=3000 even under [Options] section .


I would advice that the "farest_from_the_center" :D Aaargh , what a crap English I'm using :-; circle of DVDs is the less reliable , no matter what brand you are using . If you're not sure about quality of your support , stick with default values , you'd better leave the outer part of the disk blank instead of having a disk full filled but unreadable near the end.

Another tip : use PgcEdit to Remap TitleSets in order to have the most relevant one(s) near the center of the disk , same reasons as above . You can get PGCEdit searching into the "IFO/VOB Editors" Sub-Forum , the option to ReMap TitleSets is under the DVD Menù!!!

[wfn1]

Thanks, TuRiSOft. I'll check out that re-mapping thing. As far as my burns go I use a Benq dw1640 w/ TYG02 media and I can consistently get 99 scans with it so I'm not worried about the quality.

[Pasqui]

@jdobbs

For Episodic DVDs, give the ability with "matrix for extras" to apply the same matrix choice as main movie (ie main feature matrix when >3Mbps, low bitrate matrix when >2Mbps, very low bitrate matrix below). As far as I understand, the "same as main feature" checkbox in "matrix for extras" category will apply the same matrix as segments with bitrates > 3Mbps.

[raquete]

You can simply create a .bat file with this line into it :Start /LOW rebuilder.exe and all depending apps will have IDLE Priority !!!oh my gzzzzz.simple like that? :eek:
excuse my stup question but it's a cool big surprise.(dvd-rb newby here)
means that cce will run in low priority too?
:thanks:

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

For Episodic DVDs, give the ability with "matrix for extras" to apply the same matrix choice as main movie (ie main feature matrix when >3Mbps, low bitrate matrix when >2Mbps, very low bitrate matrix below). As far as I understand, the "same as main feature" checkbox in "matrix for extras" category will apply the same matrix as segments with bitrates > 3Mbps. If you select "Same as for Feature" as the selection for "Matrix for Extras" -- it will follow that instruction literally... which means it will use the "Low" and "Very Low" matrices selected (just like in the feature) if the bitrates meet the correct criteria.

Of course that assumes you have something set for "Low" and "Very Low".

[jarthel]

for episodic DVDs, the ability to select what VTSes are main.

for batch processing, the ability to start where from where it stopped.

[Boulder]

for episodic DVDs, the ability to select what VTSes are main.

I second this.

[Pasqui]

If you select "Same as for Feature" as the selection for "Matrix for Extras" -- it will follow that instruction literally... which means it will use the "Low" and "Very Low" matrices selected (just like in the feature) if the bitrates meet the correct criteria.

Of course that assumes you have something set for "Low" and "Very Low".

Thanks for the clarification. :) I feel dumb now...

[jdobbs]

I certainly wouldn't feel dumb... I wrote the damn thing and still had to go back into the code and look to see for sure. :p

[jarthel]

1 wish I really really hope that dvdrb would support, ability to assign bitrates to individual VTSes. only for pro and must be enabled in the expert section

[jdobbs]

How should it work? If you change the bitrate for a VTS, where should the extra bits come from or go? The other VTS's? That's where I have a problem, because if I don't control it, it will oversize/undersize. I've also heard the suggestion on a per segment basis... same question.

[jarthel]

How should it work? If you change the bitrate for a VTS, where should the extra bits come from or go? The other VTS's? That's where I have a problem, because if I don't control it, it will oversize/undersize. I've also heard the suggestion on a per segment basis... same question.

that why I suggested it is under the "expert" options and must have to enabled either thru a tickbox on the window or a hidden setting in rebuilder.ini

if a user fiddled around with an expert setting and they don't know what they doing, it'll be stupid to blame the program.

[ilpippo80]

maybe using something like percentages... I mean, at the beginning every vts has associated one value, all the values sum to 100 and it is possible to decrease the value for one vts to increase another one. The higher the value given to a vts, the higher the bitrate allocated for it. so the user don't have to deal with bitrates risking to mess up everything...

[Video Dude]

How should it work? If you change the bitrate for a VTS, where should the extra bits come from or go? The other VTS's? That's where I have a problem, because if I don't control it, it will oversize/undersize. I've also heard the suggestion on a per segment basis... same question.RB Opt seems to do this. When you manually adjust the bitrate for a segment, the other segments get adjusted automatically so it meets the specified output size. I used to lower the segment that contains the end credits and I noticed that RB Opt would increase the bitrate of all the other segments.




Since this is the "wish list", I wish for pal to ntsc via pulldown flags. :)

[thewonderer]

How about a field, slider in the options, not hidden, so that we can set the target rate of the completed movie or episode...

[shoarthing]

Builtin support for use of the MT plugin or/and the MT version of Avisynth - snag is this probably means [at last] updating the DGDecode combo.

Enough folks have HT or dualcore PCs [as well as us oldies with SMP boxen] that the considerable speed boost would be very welcome.

[ilpippo80]

while we're talking about MT, what about the (already requested) feature to allow to encode more than one segment at the same time? It would speed up very much the encodings with hc on machines with hyperthreading enabled...

[writersblock29]

@ilpippo80

Hi! That sounds like a pretty good idea... kind of like using RB Farm, only within one computer with dual-core processors, dual processors, or hyperthreading, so long as your encoder *normally* uses a single thread. There is a link, posted below, of an add-on program that might fit your needs in the meantime -- or at least provide insight as to when and if such an feature might be useful.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=97961

[ilpippo80]

@writersblock
mmmh, I must have missed it!
Thanks a lot, I'm going to try it...
Pippo

[FlashBlade]

Hi,
Just a small request...
Would it be possible to have unreferenced audio and subtitles removed by default (or by choosing in the setup).
See example (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unaudsub4ta.jpg)
Thanks

[Carpo]

how about adding an option that if you select main movie and menu it removes the other menu vobs - i did a film the other day like that and had all the extras menus left on the disc - had to use vob blanker to strip em out

[EddieTH]

I'd really like to have an option in the AVS editor to add different filter chains to progressive and interlaced segments. Either completely separate sections of the editor or just a checkbox to separate fields before and weave after the filters would be great.

[FredThompson]

Temporal filters need a few frames to work properly. DVD-RB currently trims to the exact segments then inserts filters. This means the first few frames don't get properly handled by temporal filters. There is an easy way to fix this.

Current:

trim (x,y)
..filters..
ConvertToYV12()

Suggested:

trim (x-n,y+o)
..filters..
trim (n,y-x-o)
ConvertToYV12()

n and o should be 10 unless the segment is too close to the end of the VOB chain in which case it would need to be a different value.

I'm not sure the second trim command is correct, it's just to illustrate the concept.

[FredThompson]

Scratch what I posted just before this. There is a far easier method to make temporal filtering work properly.

Hey, jdobbs, how about moving the trim command to the last position in the filter chain?

That will let temporal filters work properly throughout an entire segment.

[jdobbs]

But then you'd apply the filter to the entire stream before pulling out just frames for the segment you want... that would be extremely slow, wouldn't it?

[FredThompson]

No, that's not how AviSynth works. It's not a linear program, it's more like a complex function. In this case, it is a benefit. It's a royal bear if you want to do some types of conditional programming.

The current method says:

1. limit the data set to (x,y)
2. define the function
3. return the evaluated results of the data set (x,y)

What I'm suggesting is:

1. no limit to the data set
2. define the function
3. return the evaluated results of the data set (x,y)

There is no speed difference because the function (the AviSynth script) is still only evaluated for the requested frames. If the entire stream were parsed, that would happen for every segment because those are different scripts and different encoding sessions.

Well, OK, there's a slight bit of overhead to jump to a position inside the data file but that's a DOS function and practically invisible to the user.

[Numer0bis]

well something for the wishlish:

It would be really cool if you could reencode the menu's too!
so to save space, atm I am using menu2shrink too shrink the menus too stils. Works like a charme and saves a lot of space !

[ricardo.santos]

well something for the wishlish:

It would be really cool if you could reencode the menu's too!
so to save space, atm I am using menu2shrink too shrink the menus too stils. Works like a charme and saves a lot of space !


I'll second that

[jdobbs]

Menu encoding is at the top of the list already. It'll be there some time soon.

[jptheripper]

is that pal2ntsc still there? man i could use that

[jdobbs]

It's on the list -- but I'm not sure when it might be done.

[jptheripper]

of course.. and would require menu encoding also

as a movie only option it would be simpler, adding a resize filter and changing the flags.

[jdobbs]

Thinking about it, that may be something that would be easier done by just running a utility against a VIDEO_TS folder. All you really have to do is change the settings in the IFOs and do some pulldown magic. I must be missing something, though, it sounds too easy...

[jptheripper]

steps are..

1. demux to m2v and ac3
2. recode 720x576 25 fps m2v to 720x480 25fps m2v
3. flag new m2v to 720x480 29.97 with dgpulldown
4. remux/reauthor with original ac3
done

[jdobbs]

Oh yeah... frame size. I knew I was forgetting something.

[jptheripper]

yeah.. thats why rebuilder in movie only mode is really perfect for it.. steps are already there

[FredThompson]

NTSC DVD does not support 25 fps.

Perhaps you meant 25 fps PAL -> 24 fps NTSC. This would work for most progressive film source because the PAL version is usually the same frames played at the slightly faster 25 fps.

The real question would be how to automagically know if the audio pitch was adjusted when moved to 25 fps from 24 fps original.

[Boulder]

NTSC DVD does not support 25 fps.

Perhaps you meant 25 fps PAL -> 24 fps NTSC. This would work for most progressive film source because the PAL version is usually the same frames played at the slightly faster 25 fps.

The real question would be how to automagically know if the audio pitch was adjusted when moved to 25 fps from 24 fps original.
Using DGPulldown to do a 25fps->29.97fps pulldown you'll avoid any audio conversions.

[jptheripper]

the magic of dgpulldown is you can flag 25fps to 29.97 and not change the audio at all.

:)

[laserfan]

I would like to add to the list: option to use Lanczos4Resize for anamorphic conversions instead of LanczosResize.

I can use it now, by editing the .avs files, but an easier method would be nice.

[wmansir]

I would like to add to the list: option to use Lanczos4Resize for anamorphic conversions instead of LanczosResize.

I can use it now, by editing the .avs files, but an easier method would be nice.

Did you know that you can overide AVS commands?

It's easy to do, just make a function, save it in a *.avsi file and put it in your AVISynth "plugins" folder. AVS will then automatically load the file and if the function has the same name as an existing function it will use your new one instead.

For example, I have the overroad the regular BilnearResize with FastBilinerResize from a plugin:

#Loadplugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\simpleresize.dll")

Function BilinearResize(clip clip, int V, int H){
clip.FastBilinearResize(V,H)
}
The first line isn't needed because AVS will auto-load any plugins in the plugins directory anyway, but it's a good reminder of where the FastBR function is coming from.

Of course you can also use this method to make your own functions, or shortcuts. I have DVD-RB setup to just add one function call to every script, then I have a shortcut to edit that function's file. That way I can edit the avs code in a full text editor instead of RB's window, I don't have to worry about blank lines, and I can change the function at any time without having to rerun the prepare step or edit a lot of files.

[jdobbs]

You know... AVISYNTH is some of the best featured and well-thought-out software ever written.

[HKT3020_1]

I just thought of this during my last encode, having DVD-RB automatically choose a custom matrix based on the average bitrate given by DVD-RB during the prepare phase. Is it even possible or just more wishful thinking. :rolleyes:

[rpboy]

What about Audio Re-Encoding (i.e. LPCM-->AC3 2.0,LPCM-->MPegAudio,AC3 5.1-->AC3 2.0 or MpegAudio and so on .... ) ?
I second that. (And third it and fourth it too!)

I mean, I can do it now but it takes so many different programs to accomplish. Would be nice if somehow DVD-Rebuilder could do it itself. Maybe hook into the ffMPEG DLL or something.

Would definitely save me a lot of time if that was a feature.

[msobetzko]

Count me for a fifth and sixth.

Concert DVD's are my bane, many have LPCM audio only.

Mike

[jdobbs]

Well one choice is to encode it to MPEG audio. There are several very high quality encoders and libraries that could be used. While AC3 is required for NTSC (but not PAL) by the standard, I know of no player that won't play MPEG audio... and I there are authoring packages that don't have AC3 as a choice for audio.

[FredThompson]

Other requests:

Historical update list in the releases, not just "this release" notes.

Prospective list of updates by release number. It sure would be nice to have a non-binding idea of what's in the pipeline. (Updated DGDecode, DVDShrink-like per-title bitrate/size, IVTC, etc.)

[jdobbs]

The historical list is in the REBUILDER.TXT file in the DVD-RB executable directory. It is also included in the "updates" zip.

[Mr. Monte]

Other than the check box for DVD5 and DVD9...

I've notice on batch processing...after the last job is done, DVDRB does not delete the D2VAVS folder.

Also, would it be possible to have a option under setup or in the Mode>ISO Option area to have DVDRB remove the Source path folder also?

Thanks

[FredThompson]

Also, would it be possible to have a option under setup or in the Mode>ISO Option area to have DVDRB remove the Source path folder also?That's not a wise idea. If there's any kind of problem with the result, you'd have to start at the very beginning again.

[Mr. Monte]

True...I guess I've never had an issue yet...and I would just have to rip it to the hard drive again

[hallway]

You can simply create a .bat file with this line into it :Start /LOW rebuilder.exe and all depending apps will have IDLE Priority Sorry for bringing this back up, and I'll be off to Microsoft's KB to brush up further, but I'm using the "LOW" switch currently. This works *great* when I'm using my PC while DVD-RB is running. When I'm not using the PC though, I'd like the priority to increase. You mention "IDLE" priority so maybe what I want is already taken care of.

Dumb question: What determines what programs are running and what priority to give them ?? Obviously, we all likely have dozens of things running all the time (look at Task Manager). There's also a setting for giving apps priority based on if they're in the foreground, background, etc. The fact that CCE keeps re-opening and bringing it's window to the front might be a good thing in this case. Never mind on that .... I didn't remember it correctly. It talks about either "applications" or "background services".

[laserfan]

I have, on a number of occasions, managed to make changes to Options or Preview/Edit scenes (BLANKING them) and then ENCODE/REBUILD after having already done PREPARE, and then my changes don't "take". :(

It seems there should be a warning of some sort that PREPARE needs to be done again so my changes are enforced.

[jikchung]

As PREPARE is the "setup" phase for encoding, a warning to run PREPARE again shouldn't be needed. If we discover that changes are necessary to the .ini or settings, then obviously we need to start from the beginning.

Making changes via preview/edit does not need PREPARE to run again as the settings are saved to the D2VAVS files (if you press "save changes") so a warning in this instance is also not needed.

[jptheripper]

um.. if you redo prepare your changes are lost, not the other way around.

[laserfan]

There must be a difference then between changes to Options and Preview/Edit changes. It seems to me that my experience has been that changes to Options require re-PREPARE, but then changes to Preview/Edit do not?

I looked in the docs for any discussion of this but couldn't find a clarification.

[jptheripper]

if you change options (such as passes, settings, etc) then you must reprepare. Blanking must be done after prepare. So if you reprepare, you must then reblank. If you change options, think of it as starting over from scratch

[laserfan]

Thanks, jp, I've just done this wrong a SECOND time! Hopefully "third time will be the charm"!

Maybe my wish list has "to add jptheripper's comment to the Tips & Tricks section"!

EDIT: Nope, got it wrong a third time--I'm blaming Saturday night. Made my Preview/Edit changes and hit Rebuild instead of Encode and it tried to re-make VIDEO_TS, getting an error in the process. So I've started over from scratch again.

I do have one feature request: When Preview/Edit changes are made, there is no entry in the Rebuilder.log file about this; would be nice to have what edits were made...

[mpiper]

Here's one I would like to suggest for RB Pro:
Resize to 1/4 D1.

We already have 1/2 D1, but I am trying to fit more TV episodes on a single disc. Since I want the episodes, but they are not my all-time favorite, I don't mind the quality drop by resizing to 352X240, as long as I get the encoding quality from CCE and the custom matrices (Jawar and Baach1).

Right now, I have to use RB_Opt and edit each and every AVS to add:
BilinearResize(352,240)
Sharpen(0.75)
Having a simple toggle would be GREAT!!

Thanks for a superb program!

Mike

[FredThompson]

You can use Batch Text Replacer Wizard http://www.tildemh.com/sw/btrwiz/index.shtml to do a search/replace on the avs files. It's settings are sticky so you'd only have to cinfigure it once.

[Boulder]

The page appears to be dead. Browsing through the front page it looks like there's no download link available at that site.

This one works : http://sourceforge.net/projects/btrwiz/ (EDIT: No, no files there for some reason)

[jdobbs]

[Edit] I've removed this redundant text...

[FredThompson]

The page appears to be dead. Browsing through the front page it looks like there's no download link available at that site.I checked the author's wiki and he stated it was obsolete so it was removed from the downloads. There's no replacement, though. What a jerk!

Here 'tis. (Why the heck is there a 200M limit on RAR files and 300M on ZIP?!?!)

[mpiper]

Help!

I used the BilinearResize(352,240) code and the final files are displaying half-height! I have resized files manually in CCE, so I know my dvd players will play that size, but I must have messed up the avs script (This was my first attempt ever touching AVS scripting.

This was a widescreen original source, could the resize have killed something else to it displays like this???

Mike

[jdobbs]

You also have to modify the IFO files.

[mpiper]

Uh Oh, How do I mod the Ifo files? Open with Text editor and change frame size???

[FredThompson]

Polite reply: You will need to configure the IFO files properly to display something like that.

Why you want to do this is beyond me and probably won't receive a lot of positive replies. Discs are cheap. DVD-RB is for re-encoding dual-layer source to fit on a DVDR.

I can't think of anything else that's positive as a reply.

[mpiper]

Fred,
Thanks for the positive reply.

The simple reason is this: I have too many original DVDs and am running out of space for the extra dvds.

Basically I wanted to try an expirament. Smallville season 1 has 4 episodes per disc. When I was manually dreating episode dvds from video tapes, I fit 6+ per disc by simply using 352X240 (These were never WS, just PS). So I decided to try this as both a space saving device and an intellectual exercise.

I create DVDs and other multimedia for a living, but that is using Adobe and Macromedia products where the details are hidden by the software engine. So at home I like to try new and different things "just because" :)

I can manually deconstruct the entire set of DVDs and resize each video, tweak picture quality, create custome menus, etc. but all I wanted to do was a "simple" expirament: Use DVDRemake to merge 2 DVDs, then use DVD-RB to shrink down to size. I chose the 352X240 frame size since it uses 84480 vs. 345600 pixels per frame and therefore requires 1/4 the bitrate for comparable quality. Perfect for shrinking 14.5 GB of Video to 4.2 GB.

Again, just a fun expirament. The only piece I am missing is a prog that opens IFOs for editing. The only ones I see are for ripping, etc.

Anyway,

I LOVE DVD-RB and can't wait to see what the next version has added!

Mike

[FredThompson]

:readguid:

[mpiper]

Silly question, but which guides?? The RB help file doesn't cover it, and there are guides all over the net from various users and I don't know which ones might talk about 1/4 D1.

Laters everyone.

Mike

[FredThompson]

You would have known the answer to your question about text editors and IFO files had you actually tried it and it would have taken you a fraction of the time involved in posting.

There is also a forum area for discussing IFO editing here and guides at http://www.doom9.org which should be easy enough for you to find.

Get IfoEdit and play with it for a little while. You'll find the answer for yourself by examining an IFO file and you'll remember how you did it. It shouldn't take you more than 5 minutes or so to find the answer and you'll gain useful knowledge.

[mpiper]

I did a quick search and came up with Ifoedit v.96 and IFOUpdate. But I didn't see how to make the edits, just how to clear PUOs and such. I'll read the guides for them and any others I find.

It was late for me last night and I may have just been brain dead at the time!

Thanks again!
Mike

[Rippraff]

Open your ifos in IfoEdit, doubleclick on Video under Title Set (Movie) attributes, make your changes, save.
By the way this is going to go totally off topic. ;)

Cu Rippraff

[hallway]

How about instead of having menu picks for "Steal space from extras..." and having pre-defined percentages, there was a slider available ?? It might be nice for fine-tuning the tradeoff. I have a DVD and ran it at 10% steal. I want to gain a little more, but not 25%.

[Morbo]

Just a quickie....

Will the IVTC be automatic or by VTS selection(I'd kinda figure the latter).

I picked up Ed and His Dead mother,and it looks horrible on PC(the interlaced image with progressive flag muck).

I tore the streams out and used TMPEG's IVTC.....and re did it....Looks sooo much better.

Who masters these things?.......Life of Brian is another one that comes to mind(the early release anyway).

[JFerguson]

Wish List request:

a shortcut key (like "b", or at least a keyboard toggle) for blanking extras in the Preview editor. Double-clicking with the mouse can get a little cumbersome at times - thanks...

[hallway]

How about the ability to use CRTL-Select or Shift-Select on those segments too ?? I'll sometimes go through the list with a pen and notebook noting which segments are what. I could then go back and multi-select the ones I want to blank.

[JFerguson]

hallway, I dig that.

I check titles in Shrink, then cross-ref that in IFOEdit, so I know (via pen/paper of sorts) which V/C's I don't want before getting into the Preview Editor.

If we could option to nuke by title, I wouldn't even have to cross-ref 'em...

Hmmm: I wonder if I should check titles in the new VobBlanker instead - instant cross-reference! :)

[FredThompson]

It would be nice to have 2 AVS filter templates; one for interlaced segments, another for progressive segments.

[k2002rahmani]

These first few should be easy:

1. When a user saves project, the project name should be automatically filled in (can be manually changed) as the Disc name and iso name are automatically done. The name of the disc would be fine. Currently, the name by default for any project is PROJECT.

2. As in DVD-Decrypter, there should be a semi-automatic method for creating the folders (can be enabled via menu in options). For example, I always have my DVD Decrypter rip to H:\DVD Folder\ which means a movie would become H:\DVD Folder\MOVIE. I would like to do something similar in DVD-RB to eliminate having to choose the destination each time. After choosing the Source, DVD-RB would automatically set the Destination to H:\DVD Folder\MOVIE\DVDFILES or something like that.

Harder ones:

3. Add the ability to select a DVD from a DVD drive and click Backup. Have DVD-RB run DVD-Decrypter if it is on the system, rip it to a folder as in step 2 above, and have DVD-RB complete the process. If jdobbs fears implementing it (considering what happened to LIGHTNINGUK) then it could be an anonymous add-on or ini edit.

4. Add the ability to do title adding like with TitleWriter. If FallenAngel can be contacted to help with that then that would be cool.

[rendez2k]

3 would be superb - completely automatic backup almost!

[hallway]

2. As in DVD-Decrypter, there should be a semi-automatic method for creating the folders... I suggested this exact thing just in the past couple of weeks. We're thinking very, very similar on this !

[elizerrojas]

how about a start/end capability on RB-PRO as in shrink so the end credits can be taken out, for the next version.

[jdobbs]

Can you explain...

[archaeo]

I suggested this exact thing just in the past couple of weeks. We're thinking very, very similar on this !


Actually, the 'one step' rip from disc, encode, and burn to disc has been suggested earlier. It doesn't hurt to bring it up again :)

[elizerrojas]

in shrink and nero Recode2, one can cut the beguining or the end credits thus decreasing the compression to be applied.

[archaeo]

If I understand correctly, in the Reauthor mode in DVDShrink, there's a tab that will allow you to set the start and end frames for the backup. It opens a preview screen. That way one can edit out end credits, or pre-movie warnings, etc... wherever you choose. It is handy for cutting out certain parts exactly where you want to.

[elizerrojas]

@archaeo. RIGHT!, thanks for the help.

[elizerrojas]

as a quality freak that i am, i do main movie-only, i like to cut the end credits also. the less compression, the better results.

[wmansir]

I Merged a couple of suggestion threads with this one, starting a post #147.

Originally those threads became redirects here, but then I renamed this thread and it seems to have renamed those redirects too, which is why there are 2 redirects with the same title pointing to this thread.

[FredThompson]

The status display in the lower left doesn't accurately show the job status. The progress bar will show 100% completion but the NAVPACKS will still be updating and that message about updating NAVPACKS remains when the job is totally complete. How about having the progress bar reset to 0 when the NAVPACK update starts and replacing the final "updating" text with a completion statement to match the log?

[k2002rahmani]

thanks for merging them, it makes it so much easier because everyone makes their own wish list. i made one simply because there isnt really "an official wish list" but i guess this forum will be great to explain improvements to this great piece of software.

i agree the one-step burn would be awesome.....

[k2002rahmani]

btw, i PMed fallen (fallenangel) to see if there would be a way to put source code into dvd-rb...... if i could have a little text box where I could input the title in DVD-RB (a dialog box of some sort) and it would use TitleWriter to write it as the main title of the movie, i would be so greatful. the less programs the better, and the problem is i often forget to do the titlewriter step, so DVD-RB rips it to DVD. I then have to go back to the DVDFILES, fix the VIDEO_TS.ifo, and recreate the iso and reburn. i have a 400-disc Sony by the way...

[Fallen]

Fast and Dirty if he has the Video_ts.ifo file

-- Have him run TW, use CLI (See CommandLineHelp)
Example c:\Titlewriter.exe /F C:\myvid\VIDEO_TS\VIDEO_TS.IFO /V My Volumename /T1 My First Title Name

Alternate This Could be done Post DVDD Pre DVD_RB using a simple bat file if he doesn't strip that segment during processing

FAllenAngel

[HKT3020_1]

I didn't have any particular DVD to backup so I tried the new feature on Batman Begins, love the added menu feature by the way.;) Though, it would be nice to see the menu reduction level.:rolleyes:

[jdobbs]

Currently the menu reduction is always at the same level as the VTS is supports. So... if VTS_01 is encoding at 70.1% then the menu VTSM_01 will also be 70.1%

[k2002rahmani]

3. Add the ability to select a DVD from a DVD drive and click Backup. Have DVD-RB run DVD-Decrypter if it is on the system, rip it to a folder as in step 2 above, and have DVD-RB complete the process. If jdobbs fears implementing it (considering what happened to LIGHTNINGUK) then it could be an anonymous add-on or ini edit.


Also if DVD-Decrypter is not something jdobbs wants to get involved with, if DVD-RB can just "copy" non-protected DVD's like any other one-click solution, that would be awesome too! So the files would be just copied, (no decryption) onto the hard drive and then backed up. Users that want to back up protected DVD's (legally of course) have to use AnyDVD or DVD43.

My point basically is to make a 1-click backup solution with DVD-RB.

[k2002rahmani]

Also, I don't really understand why No Compression is only available for Full Movie. Sometimes I find DVDs that, when the extra titles are removed, are under the size of a DVD-5. So it seems like I shouldnt have to run CCE, yet, I do. Maybe in future versions there should be a way to blank titles and then backup the remaining Main Title (and any other selected VOBs) without compression.

[jptheripper]

@k2002rahmani - run anydvd in the background if you want rebuilder to be one click.

as for no compression, jdobbs has said he is working on an option for different encoders on different sections (including no compression)

[k2002rahmani]

thanks for the no compression info.

yes, i know i can run anydvd in the background, but i do not want to leave my dvd drive running as that can shorten the life, especially with something as hardware intensive as DVD-RB. copying would be much better.

[blutach]

Currently the menu reduction is always at the same level as the VTS is supports. So... if VTS_01 is encoding at 70.1% then the menu VTSM_01 will also be 70.1%Suppose the main menu is in another VTS (where the titles are blanked or non-existent). What then?

Regards

[k2002rahmani]

I discovered that TitleWriter has a commandline option! I have attached the CommandLineHelp.txt file that comes with TitleWriter.

jdobbs: If you can just make either an ini edit or menu option where i can check "Use Titlewriter", supply the path to titlewriter, and then just a text box where i can type the Volume name. There is no need for any of the fancy menu editing or title editing.

i just have a sony jukebox-type 400-disc player, which is obviously logical for anyone here that makes many backups, and with no titles on the DVDs it is impossible to use, and having to use titlewriter independently is a pain. just a request for v1.10 maybe?

[k2002rahmani]

also this file im not sure if you need it. i doubt it, but hey i thought id give it at least.

[k2002rahmani]

omg fallen i didnt even realize you posted! thanks a lot for that i just found it out!

BTW fallen and jdobbs: i only change the volume name and never touch the titles.....

also fallen is there a command to shorten the Title 9 to T9 as you have done in 2.5 beta? I have found many movies that have so many titles that TitleWriter can't process (too big for this proggie) and if DVD-RB could by default do that to abbreviate the default title names that would be good for eliminating errors.....

[Fallen]

k2002rahmani: Re Command line Squish Dvd Text
/DVD_TEXT_MIN in TW2.5 not 2.5Beta

Caution: The GUI has extensive changes most options have been moved to menu/toolbar especially in menu addition area.

[HKT3020_1]

I wouldn't mind the addition of the Fox Custom Matrix in DVD-RB, as stated here.:D

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=786219&postcount=14

[Video Dude]

Now that menu encoding has been implemented, I'm crossing my fingers that PAL to NTSC conversion will be added soon. :)

[BobZhome]

I couple of things I would like to see added are:
1) On Help>Display Versions to also include the DVD-RB version
Example:
- Versions :
-- CCE SP Version: 2.70.2.4
-- HC Version: 0.16.0.1
-- DGDECODE Version: 1.4.5
-- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.5.0
-- DVD-RB Version: Pro 1.08.1

2) Add a display details: Help>Display DVD-RB Details
Example:
-Mode: CCE
-Backup Mode: Full Backup
-Steal Space from Extras: 10%
-Options: Matrix Default
-Filter Editor: Undot().Deen()
-Settings: VBR Passes: 6
-Menu Encode: NA

Jdobbs, Thanks for the great work you've done!

[k2002rahmani]

also, sometime there is additional content on a DVD, such as JACKET_P (those that read know i have sony 400 disc, so they are important to me) and DVD-ROM content (which i dont care for). This would be something to add in addition to the copying feature, where DVD-RB copies a drive to a temp folder without decryption and end user must use anydvd....

[hallway]

I couple of things I would like to see added are:
1) On Help>Display Versions to also include the DVD-RB version
Example:
- Versions :
-- DVD-RB Version: Pro 1.08.1 Probably considered redundant given that that info is in the titlebar all the time.

[BobZhome]

Probably considered redundant given that that info is in the titlebar all the time.

I like to keep text logs of my backups ;)
Why else would I also ask for a DVD-RB Details log?

[k2002rahmani]

fallen: yeah i just noticed the new version 2.5! it will take some getting use to the new GUI, but i like it.

maybe next version a checkbox in the settings to choose startup either menu or dvd text, not necessary but would be nice for ppl that use only dvd text.

[k2002rahmani]

i dont keep track of my logs, but BobZhome brings up a good point, however, i think all of the versions should go to the rebuilder.log file. It will help when reporting errors to jdobbs to know what versions of what apps caused a specific error, even what version of DVD-RB.

[hallway]

I mentioned the following a while back and got a little bit of feedback or agreement on it, as I recall. Now that I search this "wish list" thread, I can't find my post about it though.... did it get lost in the merge ??

Anyway, when selecting the 'work' and 'destination' folders, the dialog box starts at "My Computer" and I have to drill down to the folders I want with multiple mouse clicks. Maybe I organize things more than others.... ??? :) I do this 'cause I might run RB on 1-3 DVDs in a day (or two) so I want each job to have it's own, logically named folder.

Since the setup asks me where my work and destination folders are, why doesn't it remember this when I want to change them and at least *start* from there. That, in fact, would be great for me !

[JohnGalt]

I second hallway's suggestion, & propose another really minor UI quibble of my own -- something that should be pretty easy to implement. In "Settings | ISO Output Opts" and anywhere else that has textboxes, it would be nice if the contents of a textbox were automatically highlighted when the textbox gets focus. I know, a silly quibble, but it's just a suggestion. Saves like a half-second of effort (CTRL+A, holding Backspace, dragging mouse, or what have you) so the user can immediately begin typing new stuff into the box.

Thanks for the great work, jdobbs! really a gem of a program that you keep improving at an astounding speed!

[k2002rahmani]

I think the best solution to hallway's problem would be the semi-automatic paths option as I suggested in my post. That way finding the source, DVD-RB will automatically know where to put the Working and Destination folders.

[canuckerfan]

For menu processing, you think it'd be possible to have a seperate option for replacing the videos in the scene selection windows (those videos that loops with their respective scenes) with an image from that loop. Just a thought.

[wmansir]

I'm updating the Doom9 guide for DVD-RB and I thought I would add some wishes here. These aren't new features, but UI changes that I think would make the program easier to use.

Rename Mode menu to Project, layout as follows:

?One Click Mode
---------------------
Backup Mode (mode) ->
Steal Space from Extras (mode) ->
?Half-D1 Extras
?Half-D1 and Half Bitrate Extras
---------------------
?Enable Output Directory
?Create ISO file
ISO Options
---------------------
?Close DVD-RB at REBUILD completion
?Shutdown system at REBUILD completion

Encoder Selection is moved to the Settings menu, along with "Force Reencoding". "Suppress warning prompts" is moved to the setup page, since it is rarely changed, or possibly the file menu with the Status log items.

Settings menu:

Encoder ->
?Low Encoder Priority
?Mulitple Encoder Processes
?Enable Menu Encoding
--------------------
CCE Settings ->
QuEnc Settings ->
HC Encoder Settings ->
ProCoder Settings ->
---------------------
?Standard Target Size (DVD-5)
?Dual Layer Target Size (DVD-9)
--------------------
Setup

I'm not sure if "Special Error Processing" is needed any more. If so I think it belongs on the Project menu, since it may be needed for individual projects. Functionally speaking the Target Size options are a project setting too, but I think they are rarely changed enough that I think they could be considered a program setting.

The only other menu change would be to put "Set Background Color" back on the Skin menu, since I think it makes the most sense there.

Other changes:

I wish the folder icons at the top of the "Status Log" tab would open the appropriate selection dialog. I'm not sure if they 'should' given the Status Log page is more of an output window, but then the icon used there is also used to open those dialogs in the path selection tabs.

Added to the Input Settings tab:

Audio Remapping from Options placed at the bottom of the tree.

I would like to see Half-D1, 16:9 convert and Disable Interlace put there too, but I understand that they are "expert" options. And having "Disable Interlace" would definitely cause people to think they are deinterlacing. Still, personally I would like to see Half-D1 just because I use it all the time. Perhaps there can be an 'enable expert options" setting. Now where would I put that ....

[FredThompson]

It would be nice if the .installer would recognize the full existing configuration and set a default path to CCE and the commercial encoder configurations.

It would also be nice if the destination path was stickier, similar to the source path browse function.

[lantern]

I know that this has been brought up before and I have read most of the threads about it. They just don't seem give any particular insight from jdobbs whether it could be implimented or not. Anyway is there any chance of getting an LPCM --> AC3 or MP2 conversion in DVD-RB?

jdobbs, thank you very much for such a great program, it is one of the very best available!

[jdobbs]

AC3 encoding requires licensing. Good quality AC3 encoders, therefore, aren't cheap -- and the freeware ones that are "just for educational purposes" have some issues. MP2, on the other hand, has some really good freeware encoders -- but creating a disc without AC3 or LPCM would be non-compliant for NTSC discs.

That doesn't mean it will never happen -- but because it isn't much in demand and requires a lot of work, it isn't a priority.

Thanks for the kind words.

[jdobbs]

It would be nice if the .installer would recognize the full existing configuration and set a default path to CCE and the commercial encoder configurations.

It would also be nice if the destination path was stickier, similar to the source path browse function.Yeah, I've been meaning to do that. The installer takes care of it -- but not if you have multiple CCE versions.

[lantern]

Thanks! I just wanted it clarified!

[rack04]

I would like to see the "Shutdown at REBUILD completion" in the file menu so that it can be enabled after the one-click process is started.

[blutach]

Cosmetic, I know, so ignore if too silly:

I use the default skin and find I am always scrolling left & right in the status log to read it in full.

Am I nuts or is there a way to make this bigger in this skin? (I know I can read the log in the working directory and usually do that)

Regards

[k2002rahmani]

well, ive run into an interesting problem. sometimes the default track for a DVD is DTS. I always keep the Dolby 6 channel (5.1). On Fight Club, doing so means that when I start the movie, there is no audio. Now of course, I know that it can be remapped with DVD-RB already. But I don't want to check for each DVD that it is mapped correctly, most are still done to Dolby, only once in a blue moon is it something else. SO... could it be done so that if the DEFAULT TRACK for the MAIN MOVIE is removed, that there is a warning, or that it is *even better* automatically remapped, maybe a dialog confirming this??? I LOVE YOU JDOBBS!

[jdobbs]

The problem is that there is no reliable way that I know of determining the "default"... it's usually the first track -- but not necessarily. It can be changed with pre/post commands. So you'd almost have to emulate disc playback in order to see which track is selected at the time the DVD starts.

If you've completed a rebuild and DTS is the default (which is exceptionally rare, by the way) -- you should be able to remap it and then just do a REBUILD phase to correct it.

[rack04]

I would like to see a slider bar on the "Video Segment Viewer/Editor" so that it's possible to scroll through the segment.

[jptheripper]

I would like to see a slider bar on the "Video Segment Viewer/Editor" so that it's possible to scroll through the segment.

yeah i would love that.

[laserfan]

...If you've completed a rebuild and DTS is the default (which is exceptionally rare, by the way)...Yes, that's right, in fact I have never seen such a beast.

I was very surprised to find that the "Cream Reunion" concert did not have a DolbyDigital 5.1 soundtrack, only DTS and stereo LPCM tracks, and even there the LPCM was the default.

BTW that disc inspired me finally to buy a DTS receiver! And the DTS track is awesome!

[jdobbs]

BTW that disc inspired me finally to buy a DTS receiver! And the DTS track is awesome!(picture me singing)

"In the white room, with black curtains, near the station..."

Hmm... I may have to find that DVD...

[JohnGalt]

it would be nice if we could filter the items visible in the Preview/Edit pane. I'm mainly thinking of an option for hiding stills (not removing them from the disc when encoding, but just hiding them from view so I don't have to scroll thru them). the idea could be vastly expanded from there (e.g. sort by size or type [stills vs motion video]), but I don't know how useful such expansion would be.

[linx05]

Thanks for this fantastic program, donated very quickly! Just one gripe. When I am backing up several DVDs I go through the whole rippping, compressing and burning part then I delete the left overs from my computer.

Then when I start a new one in DVD-RB the folder which I have deleted is still there. Could you possible add something so when I press "Prepare" an option pops up asking if we want to create a folder for the "Working Part" if there isn't one already.

Also, the output path, maybe add another sub-dir in the main DVD folder (e.g. E:\jaws\[add the final here]\VIDEO_TS). I hope you understand this mumble jumble.

[k2002rahmani]

ok, instead of changing the default's mapping, how about if only one track is left for all selections to map to it?

[Digga]

I would like to see the "Shutdown at REBUILD completion" in the file menu so that it can be enabled after the one-click process is started.that would be very usefull if it could be added, yes.

[SpazzHH]

that would be very usefull if it could be added, yes.

That's already been added to the Pro version. Check the "Mode" Menu.

[Digga]

That's already been added to the Pro version. Check the "Mode" Menu.yep... silly me... (I guess you mean file menu here though).

[k2002rahmani]

also, remove unreferenced audio/subpictures option under settings would be nice.

[jdobbs]

[Removed this response] I misunderstood the post and answered incorrectly.

[k2002rahmani]

also, i have a weird idea for batch that really is just a laziness helper, but after batch is done making all isos, perhaps it can call the Imgburn or DVD Decrypter to burn all of the DVD's? Like insert blank DVD 1 insert blank DVD 2 etc....

[laserfan]

jdobbs you are paranoid, and I am anal--I like to save my Rebuilder logs in case I find a problem in the future. It would be nice if the log file showed the Source Path it's working with. :)

[m1ckran]

I know it's already possible to select an alternative subtitle default, but it would be nice if we could also "hide" or "show" the subtitle if we want to, regardless of the dvd player's configuration, like we can with DVD Shrink.

This would be very handy for people like me, who prefer to make movie-only backups.

:thanks:

[Digga]

I would like to see the "Shutdown at REBUILD completion" in the file menu so that it can be enabled after the one-click process is started.That's already been added to the Pro version. Check the "Mode" Menu.yep... silly me... (I guess you mean file menu here though).either I'm really dumb (no comments on this ;) ) or it isn't working as expected.
I'm using the latest pro version but while encoding the mode and setting dropdown menus are disabled (grayed out) as well as the two shutdown options under file menu...
so where exactly can one change this option while processing?

[rahzel]

either I'm really dumb (no comments on this ;) ) or it isn't working as expected.
I'm using the latest pro version but while encoding the mode and setting dropdown menus are disabled (grayed out) as well as the two shutdown options under file menu...
so where exactly can one change this option while processing?
afaik, you can't... you can only check this option before you do anything.

i agree, being able to enable this option while DVD-RB is working would be nice.

[Digga]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=834730#post834730

[Cropsy]

I would like to see the option to drag and drop the .RBD files into the batchprosess window. In my case I always make 10 -20 movies ready for batch mode, and it is a bit time consuming (and annoying) to press the add button and double click the .RBD file so many times in a row. I'm a bit lazy, you know.: ;) :thanks:

[k2002rahmani]

ON post #201, I discussed the Audio Remapping. I think a good idea would be a "Leave (Default Dolby 5.1) Audio #1 and map all other selections to it" that way, especially because every time, I leave only the single track, and English tracks with 2.1 I always disable, even though no option exists to automatically remove them.

[Rumbah]

I have a request.
Could you please implement to only put the iso file in the output folder and not the VIDEO_TS folder and the iso file?
Because I have an extra partition for the image to burn (if the image gets fragmented, my HDD isn't fast enough to burn at 16x) that is only 4.5GB. I set this as an output folder as it is too small for the Video_TS folder and the image. Because of that I have to copy the image to the partition and thattakes some time.

I hope it's not that difficult to implement.

[lantern]

Would it be possible to implement a "fast forward" in the preview/edit window?

[FredThompson]

Support for 2 scripts; one for progressive segments, one for interlaced segments.

[lantern]

Seems like my "fast forward" is in the beta preview/edit window by using the slider! Thanks JDobbs! How about the ability to stop the ability to pause/stop the slider?

Once again, thank you very much for the fantastic software!

[jdobbs]

I'll have to look at the pause... right now you can pause by dragging the slider. It will not restart play until you release the mouse button.

[Digga]

it would be nice if DVD-RB could memorize if one of the shutdown options is ticked when it is closed (as it does for all other settings).
that way I wouldn't have to remember to always tick it again if I encode movies overnight.

[Rippraff]

it would be nice if DVD-RB could memorize if one of the shutdown options is ticked when it is closed (as it does for all other settings).
I like it the way it is.
I don't want my machine shuts down during important work only because I forgot to untick that option.

Cu Rippraff

[Digga]

I like it the way it is.
I don't want my machine shuts down during important work only because I forgot to untick that option.and I don't want it to run all night because I forgot to tick it ;)
if you are actually working the moment when it want to shut down there still is the countdown where on could cancel.
if you're not present then it would suck, yes.

[jdobbs]

I think if I'm going to err... it should be on the side of caution. Lost work is a helluva' lot more important to me than a few watts at 11 cents a kilowatt hour.

:cool:

[Digga]

I think if I'm going to err... it should be on the side of caution. Lost work is a helluva' lot more important to me than a few watts at 11 cents a kilowatt hour.
:cool:probably the wisest decision for all users.
if you could have a look at the grayed-out-issue posted in post #210 (and discussed in some previous posts) I would still let you have your extra karma points for today ;)

edit: ATM (summer) it's more about noise than anything else that bothers me with my PC running at night.
for everyone that might have the same 'problem' there are lot's of external apps that can shut down your computer, like e.g. SDTimer: http://www.winload.de/download/16968/Utilities/Systemprogramme/SDTimer-2.0.html

[jdobbs]

I'm using the latest pro version but while encoding the mode and setting dropdown menus are disabled (grayed out) as well as the two shutdown options under file menu...
so where exactly can one change this option while processing?Start a batch job and the options in the file menu will be enabled.

[HKT3020_1]

When using the beta viewer/editor it would be a good idea if DVD-RB was able to to use the extra space removed when sliding down percentage quality on certain scenes automatically. Something similar to an auto adjustment to spread the extra space evenly among the rest of the disc. I'm loving this new feature by the way, I just used it on 2046 and the backup looked gorgeous. :) Appreciate the hard work Jdobbs. :D

[m1ckran]

This is the "Wish List", right?

Well, I wish the current DVDRB Pro version number had kept pace with the old numbers, which would make it 1.09.5 by my reckoning.

Some time ago, I posted that I would redonate on v1.10, so I've had to keep my word and redonate!

But I still feel deprived of five updates!!! :D

I also wish jdobbs all the best and long may he continue.

[Digga]

This is the "Wish List", right?it's more about features here ;)

Well, I wish the current DVDRB Pro version number had kept pace with the old numbers, which would make it 1.09.5 by my reckoning.I guess the new editor is enough to bump the version number to 1.10.
of course there could still be v1.094731 around, a shame that it isn't. really.

I also wish jdobbs all the best and long may he continue.:)

[jjaomni]

here is my wish for dvd builder. drag an drop support for the batch window or atleast multiple file selection of the batch file(project) files.
great software by the way.
p.s.
buy it if you like as they say..

[BobZhome]

I couple of things I would like to see added are:
1) to also include the DVD-RB version
Example:
- Versions :
-- CCE SP Version: 2.70.2.4
-- HC Version: 0.16.0.1
-- DGDECODE Version: 1.4.5
-- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.5.0
-- DVD-RB Version: Pro 1.08.1

2) Add a display details: Help>Display DVD-RB Details
Example:
-Mode: CCE
-Backup Mode: Full Backup
-Steal Space from Extras: 10%
-Options: Matrix Default
-Filter Editor: Undot().Deen()
-Settings: VBR Passes: 6
-Menu Encode: NA

Jdobbs, Thanks for the great work you've done!


I just noticed that in the rebuilder.log/log window, it said this:
[00:01:09] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.10.3
- CCE 2.70.2.4 encoder selected.

And On Help>Display Versions, it listed this:
- Versions :
-- Rebuilder: v1.10.3
-- CCE SP Version: 2.70.2.4
-- ReJig Version: 0.5.0.5
-- QuEnc Version: 0.7.0.0
-- HC Version: 0.16.0.1
-- DGDECODE Version: 1.4.5
-- AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.5.0

Thanks Jdobbs :)

[humax]

maybe its possible that on the done dvd streams which are blanked can not chosen .

If i strip a language i can chose him on the dvd .
if i blank this stream with pcgedit it jumps to the language which is still available

Well its only a minute with pcgedit to disable this streams but maybe DVDRB can this in the future .

[jdobbs]

I left it like that on purpose. There are some good reasons why they should remain due to the IFO and menu formatting. I've seen problems reported with other "one click" packages that do that in the past (a search here at Doom9 will probably find some).

[humax]

No Problem

I just made a DVD with DVDRB und thought i could ask if it is possible to include in DVDRB.

[yesgrey]

Hi jdobbs,

Some time ago I have requested a way to stress less the hard disks, when we have more than one, and the solution was the creation of the working directory.

Now, I realize that it's not good enough, because it appears to be more passes than just three. It seems that the disks are still being stressed in two more steps: during the subsequent encoding passes if it's used more than one (the usual) and during the Updating NAVPACKS.

Here are all the steps using cce basic in two pass mode.
1. Prepare
2. Encode - pass1
3. Encode - pass2
4. Rebuild - create VTS_0x
5. Rebuild - Updating NAVPACKS

I think it would be great if you could create a mode when the user only give 2 paths: P1 & P2, each in a different disk, and that DVD-RB should use both for R/W automatically in each step.

Here is for the example above:
1. Read from P1 (it has the source) write into P2
2. Read from P2 write into P1
3. Read from P1 write into P2
4. Read from P2 write into P1
5. Read from P1 write into P2

It could be just an option in rebuilder.ini...

Please correct me if my step description is wrong... it seems to be the working process, but no one better than you really knows which is each step of reading/writing...

Sorry for the long post.:o

[Imperial Zeppelin]

Real "nice to have," nuances here. Couldn't find these, so I hope I didn't miss...

1. Both Versions: When selecting Output and Work destinations, DVD-RB defaults to last used settings, not starting off in "My Computer."

2. Pro: For those of us who have multiple DVD burners, it would be nice for DVD-RB to ask which burner it should use. Right now it seems that it starts up Image Burn and uses the last burner that Image Burn used.

[canuckerfan]

Using the new segment editor. When the quality of a certain scene is decreased, the gained space should be automatically spread across the rest of the scenes.

[Sharc]

canuckerfan:
If some automatisms for the spreading of gained space is implemented, the spreading should be optional (tickbox) on a per segment basis. Otherwise you may easily loose control when tweaking more than one segment.

My wish would be less ambitious:
Make the actual beta version of the segment viewer/editor a final version, and make the %-field editable, (complemetary to the "jerky" slider)

[Weirdo]

Ok, I'd like to have a "force shutdown" option, since many times some dodgy application won't close, and thus Dvd-RB will never shutdown the system.

And again, the ability to toggle shutdown on/off with non-batch projects.

Cheers

[~bT~]

canuckerfan:
If some automatisms for the spreading of gained space is implemented, the spreading should be optional (tickbox) on a per segment basis. Otherwise you may easily loose control when tweaking more than one segment.

My wish would be less ambitious:
Make the actual beta version of the segment viewer/editor a final version, and make the %-field editable, (complemetary to the "jerky" slider)
I second that too. Love to have them options!

[HKT3020_1]

I've been thinking this for awhile now so I suppose it wouldn't hurt to make a little request. Possibly a 2-click mode for DVD-RB. I find myself usually preparing and making minor adjustments to certain video segments, saving those changes and clicking encode. Like many here I run my encodes when I'm away from the PC so this would definitely make things a bit easier. :rolleyes:

[writersblock29]

@HKT3020_1

Rebuilder already has a two-click mode. While there's no button or option that specifically says "two click mode," you can simply click "Rebuild" after you've made all the changes you'd like to make to your project. Once DVD Rebuilder senses that there are no encoded files to put a disk together with, it'll start by encoding everything... then finish by constructing the new DVD in your output folder. You'll come back to your computer to find everything's done and waiting for you to burn.

[Rippraff]

There's already a 2-click mode since a very long time now.
Just push Rebuild instead of Encode. ;)
RB knows, whether encode phase is already done or not.

Edit: I hate these delays with email notification. :angry:
I just revieved the post of HKT3020_1...

Cu Rippraff

[HKT3020_1]

Thanks fellas, picked up something new today. :D

[winny]

I would like to see the removal of angles from a disk to avoid the temptation of any preprocessing. Even manually blanking segments with the new editor would be a big improvement.

I'm having a private battle with the Star Wars disks. Using Vobblanker and Pgcedit to remove the foreign angles caused the scrolling intro screen to stutter ever so slightly, so I've decided to wait until dvdrb can sort them out.

[jdobbs]

I can do that. I've added it to "the list".

[Sharc]

The new feature in the beta viewer "Allocate saved space to Feature" is very convenient.

Suggstion for further improvement:
Replace "Allocate saved space to feature" by two menu items:
- "Fit Feature to Target"
- "Fit Extras to Target"

"Fit" means allocating saved space when below Target, OR reducing the size when "over Target" (red status line).

Perhaps something to be considered for a future release?

[blutach]

I would like to see the removal of angles from a disk to avoid the temptation of any preprocessing. Even manually blanking segments with the new editor would be a big improvement.

I'm having a private battle with the Star Wars disks. Using Vobblanker and Pgcedit to remove the foreign angles caused the scrolling intro screen to stutter ever so slightly, so I've decided to wait until dvdrb can sort them out.Until this is implemented, try rebuilding the time map of the VTS concerned in PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html). VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/vobblanker.htm) has a little bug in this area.

@jdobbs - can I remind you of the "no demux/remux" if nothing is gunna be done to the main feature please?

Regards

[HKT3020_1]

I would like to see the removal of angles from a disk to avoid the temptation of any preprocessing. Even manually blanking segments with the new editor would be a big improvement.

I'm having a private battle with the Star Wars disks. Using Vobblanker and Pgcedit to remove the foreign angles caused the scrolling intro screen to stutter ever so slightly, so I've decided to wait until dvdrb can sort them out.

You can easily create a working backup editing the disc with IfoEdit. You can use VobBlanker to alter the menus if you would like, I had done something similar to this before purchasing DvdReMake Pro. :p

[jonny_ftm]

I see some of my wishes were already mentioned, but never even answered. I can resume them in a small sentence:
Would be great if DVD-RB had a classic windows interface.
I know there's a plugin with that name, but it is only the name...
This should be easy to program, as it is the windows API.
Advantages are obvious:
1- full screen sized program window to see whole path when it is long, whole name in batch window...
2- resizable dialog boxes, to see whole paths and names
3- Multiple selection of batch jobs, instead of adding them one by one
4- Drag and drop function in batch window
5- Remember last selected folder when clicking "Source/Work/Destination folders dialogs". instead of popping up each time to the root

Using windows API, so windows explorer based interface, will lighten the code, and add automatically all these basic friendly and so useful options, avoiding to repeat 10 times the same things when dealing with many DVDs.

These are my most griefs about this so great and valuable proggy

[happycase]

Encode to HD-DVD and Blu Ray format. VC 1 or ACV support.

[G_M_C]

Hi JDobbs, I've got some things for your whishlist. 1 of them might be simple enough to realize, the other might not.

It concerns the way DVD-RB handles colours when using CCE-mode. DVD-RB generates the usual AviSynth script, and end with: ConvertToYUY2().

But when reading Wilbert's posting in the "AviSynth usage" part of this forum (Click (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=879591&postcount=235)) I think you might have to change the script gereration a little bit. The AviSynth script should in fact end with: ConvertToYUY2(matrix="rec709"), because AviSynth defaults to Rec.601.

The other request is linked to this: AviSynth defaults to Rec.601 color-format and most DVD/MPeg2-streams output in Rec.709-format. So thru using AviSynth you can end up with loosing color-information (sometimes seen as DVD's that are darker when re-encoded).

To solve/help this problem maybe add/implement that DVD-RB uses the ColorMatrix filter, described in the thread Wilbert was posting in (click (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=82217&page=12)). To minimize the loss in color/luminance etc. the use of Colormatrix might be a good way to improve quality on DVD-RB's output in general.

I dont think implementation of colormatrix will be very difficult, since it only requires 1 comment in the Mpeg2Souce ()-command, and 1 command added to the generated avisynth script.

Mpeg2source("blahblah.d2v",info=3)
ColorMatrix(hints=true)

...... script as usual .....

ConvertToYUY2(matrix="rec709") <---- only when using CCE/Procoder, other Encoders need different color-planes (TMPGEnc needs RGB for ex.)

Check with Wilbert on the correctness of this example ;)

The ConvertTo... only for CCE-encoding. Qenc assumes Rec.601 afaik, and some other encoders require YV12. Thats why i opt to make the colormatrix-addition standard in all DVD-RB scripts, because it helps in keeping the best color-info possible before some form of colorplane-conversion is done.

Anyway:
My opinion is that any DVD-RB generated Avisynth script ends with the correct color-plane-conversion (using the correct matrix affcourse). This because i have more trust in AviSynth's routines than i have in the conversion-routines of most encoders. But implementing all the required color-plane conversions + selection of the correct matrix (Rec.601 or Rec 709) in DVD-RB, depending on the chosen encoder, might be more of a hassle. So I leave that as my wish. The things above are more requests for a fix ;)

Hope i was clear enough, as English isn't my native language.


EDIT:
This is the reason I mention this (quote from the Firtst posting in the thread "Colormatrix" in AviSynth usage on this forum);


ColorMatrix corrects the colors of mpeg2 streams of dvds. More correctly, those mpeg2 streams are encoded using a different set of coefficients as used by AviSynth's color conversion routines [...] with the result [...] mpeg2 clips encoded by TMPGEnc/CCE using AviSynth or VirtualDub are displayed with slighty off colors (which looks like a small difference in brightness ).


This posting mentiones only CCE/TMPGEnc, but I think it goes for other DVD-Encoders ass well, simply because DVD's natively use Rec.709.

[Sir Didymus]

Encode to HD-DVD and Blu Ray format. VC 1 or ACV support.

Yes, me too!
The backup of my 250 HD DVDs can not wait any longer...
:mad:

Well, happycase, sorry for joking, but really there are not decent players all around, there are no decent titles, and I don't even know if the decrypting of HD DVD is even possible... Don't you think this feature request is a little bit [let me do a forecast - 2 or three years] too early ?

Edit: maybe you mean DVD (MPEG2) --> HD-DVD (MPEG4) ? In this case what is the purpose for this ?

[happycase]

You got it right on your second guess. And the purpose is for getting extremely large movies down to a DVD5 or 9 for watching on a next-gen player.

[jdobbs]

I'm watching HD-DVD and Blu Ray closely. I also have plans to study and possibly add the new format(s)... but it would be quite some time and it would sure be nice if one or the other of these formats would win out and the other would fall off the edge of the planet. Instead of bumping heads, these manufacturers should settle on a technology before releasing products. The consumer is the one who suffers from this kind of "mine is better" crap. Isn't it exciting to buy a $1000 player and have to wonder if it will be nothing more than a paperweight in another year or two?

You know what would make me happy? If one of the standard DVD makers would add a chipset that accepts MPEG-4 or AVC with HD resolution -- and we could burn HD to a standard dual-layer. Both MPEG-4 and AVC can give better quality than MPEG-2 with lower bitrate requirements.

[Sir Didymus]

...Isn't it exciting to buy a $1000 player and have to wonder if it will be nothing more than a paperweight in another year or two?

That's the point. And guess that: in the meanwhile I think it's a good idea to wait and buy nothing... And together with me, few million people all around, maybe... :p

...I see long years have to pass before DVD, as standard for home entertainement, can be considered obsolete...

Cheers,
SD

[Susana]

You know what would make me happy? If one of the standard DVD makers would add a chipset that accepts MPEG-4 or AVC with HD resolution -- and we could burn HD to a standard dual-layer. Both MPEG-4 and AVC can give better quality than MPEG-2 with lower bitrate requirements.
Me too, and I think this will come true: cheap dvd9-r discs and high quality hd images; give it time.

[blutach]

Me too, and I think this will come true: cheap dvd9-r discs and high quality hd images; give it time.And maybe we will see more DVD-9 flippers and we will need to join the flippers again (we all remember using VobEdit for this, I am sure) and then encode with DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/) on bigger and bigger projects :)

Regards

[G_M_C]

:sniff:

... did my best typing a big post (English isn't easy for me), and no answer. Still dont know if my idea was good .....

:sniff:

Ahh well, ill "edit" the AVS-scripts myself for the time beeing

[jdobbs]

I'm not ignoring your post -- I'm still researching it. For instance, I need to know:

1. ColorMatrix is truly needed.
2. It doesn't cause other problems
3. It can be freely distributed
4. It actually improves the picture
5. When and where is should be used and how.
6. The affect it and the other settings have on other filters

I typically try to avoid adding filters to the installation and make them defaults unless I am thoroughly convinced it is the right thing to do.

Do I have to do a color conversion to RGB? In my initial tests using the script in your post I got AVISYNTH errors saying so... the last thing I want is an additional color conversion going on...

[G_M_C]

Sorry, guess i was a little bit too enthousiastic.

I started experimenting with the idea myself today, and found out that I read the AviSynth manual incorrectly. Where it states that "Rec709" is also available with ConvertToYUY2(), it indeed means converting from RGB. Hence the error you/we see.

I was simply mistaken with the "ConverToYUY2 - thing, it doesn't work.

The Colormatrix part of my idea could still be valid though. I will try to encode 1 segment (1001xxxx5.avs of my The Wall-DVD for instance ;) ) 2 times; 1 with and 1 without the colormatrix (). Than try to compare the 2 (exactly how i dont know yet, at least a visual check offcourse).

[jdobbs]

Maybe I'm missing something... but from my reading it appears that since we are going from MPEG-2 to MPEG-2 (DVD in and out) -- it will remain Rec709 from beginning to end anyhow (except for the DVD exceptions that might use something else). Most of what I read was concerned about doing color conversion while going to/from MPEG-4/XviD and/or DV -- which (at least to me) makes a little more sense.

[Boulder]

Not all DVDs are encoded using the Rec.709 coefficients. On some DVDs, some titles are and some are not.

[linx05]

When I start a job I find that I cannot go through the menus. Would you be able to change it so we can view all the menus of DVD-Rebuilder (keeping it greyed out) so we can check what options we have selected. This is to stop me from stopping the encode, going back to see if I enabled the right ones and then restart it.

It would save a lot of time. Then again making sure I got them right before I start would too, but hey, we all make mistakes ;).

[Susana]

Some programs, including DVDRemake, write a mark in the Provider ID field. Many users ask me if there is a way to know which program was used to compress a DVD with. My suggestion is that DVDRB puts DVD-RB v.x in Provider ID. Thanks.

[HKT3020_1]

Should you want to edit the DVD Text name and Provider ID, you can do so in PgcEdit.

[Susana]

Yes, I know, thanks, but it's preferable DVDRB does it automatically.

[blutach]

Sorry to disagree with you Susana, but I think it should leave it alone, as it does now. If I want a PID, I'll add it.

Regards

[zacoz]

Can't find it having been mentioned before, but would like to have log file saved using the name generated from the source directory e.g.

Source: d:\DVD\Family_Reunion\VIDEO_TS
Log File: Family_Reunion.log

Alternatively, as suggested (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=828047#post828047) by laserfan, have the source directory listed in the log file. Helps to identify what DVD the log relates to.

Thanks for all the hard work jdobbs.

[danpos]

@jdobbs

My current wish for DVD-RB (PRO) would be official support to Linux through Wine (I don't use WINDOW$ any more).

Thanks in advance,

[jjaomni]

better batch file selection from the add project to the batch queue . like being able to load more then one project to the batch queue at one time with a selection drag and drop into the window.

thanks
i paid for it!!

[Video Dude]

... one thing id like request to specify a custom size for the dvd output or to limit the bit rate of the main movie.
You can already do that.

See this thread for instructions:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=482090#post482090

[jdobbs]

better batch file selection from the add project to the batch queue . like being able to load more then one project to the batch queue at one time with a selection drag and drop into the window.

thanks
i paid for it!!
You can drag-and-drop multiple RDB files into the batch window now. Just drag from the Explorer window.

[Boulder]

I have four feature requests:

1) Would it be possible to add a feature to use different encoders for different VTS's? For example, some movies are highly compressible for which CCE's AQM feature would be great. Then again, they often contain extras that are truly interlaced in which case HC would be the encoder of choice.

2) The ability to add parameters to the MPEG2Source line so that I wouldn't need to use a batch text replacer every time I have run the prepare phase.

3) This is an old one: the ability to tell DVD-RB which VTS's are considered as extras and which are not. At the moment the different quant matrix for different bitrates feature is useless when you work with episodic discs.

4) The ability to encode the whole VTS at a time, that is, so that it is not split up in cells. I have seen too many DVDs that are encoded as CBR in which case this option would be really useful.

[timbotu]

How about an option to automatically set the output directory when the input directory is changed. So for example if I load

E:\DVD-IN\Gigli

it sets the output directory to

E:\DVD-OUT\Gigli

If that directory exists it sets the output directory to:

E:\DVD-OUT\Gigli-2

It sure would save a lot of clicks.

[kumi]

I'd like to second Boulder's request for the ability to add parameters to the MPEG2Source line.

Recent discussions (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=964811#post964811) have me convinced of the need for ColorMatrix in certain situations (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=965713#post965713). Without the ability to add "hints=true" parameter for MPEG2Source(), using ColorMatrix() with DVD-RB becomes a tedious manual affair.

IMO it's overkill to add ColorMatrix() as a built-in DVD-RB option, if we can add MPEG2Source parameters.

If we're able to add "info=3" to MPEG2Source(), we get hinting. Then this line added to the first line of the Filter Editor takes care of every possible coefficient conversion, in the case of Rec. 709 encoders like HC, ProCoder, and CCE. I believe it's a no-op, if the source has no colorimetry or is already Rec. 709:
p:ColorMatrix(mode="FCC->Rec.709", hints=true)
i:ColorMatrix(mode="FCC->Rec.709", hints=true, interlace=true)
p:ColorMatrix(mode="SMPTE 240M->Rec.709", hints=true)
i:ColorMatrix(mode="SMPTE 240M->Rec.709", hints=true, interlace=true)
p:ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709", hints=true)
i:ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709", hints=true, interlaced=true)

Edit: I just realized that chunk of code will not work. We'll have to wait for ColorMatrix to allow specifying only a dest colorimetry.

[G_M_C]

I have four feature requests:
[...]
3) This is an old one: the ability to tell DVD-RB which VTS's are considered as extras and which are not.
[...]


I've thought of something like that:
I'd like to have the option "Mark as Extra" in the editor (besides BLANK/STILL etc.). So you can mark some segments as Extra.

This way you can select segments that can be compressed more, when compined with the option "Steal space from extra's" (for instance mark out the end-credits or such). Eventually freeing up more bitrate for the main feature.

[FredThompson]

@kumi,

Isn't your "info=3" example overly complex?

"hints=true" pulls the colorimetry info from DGIndex so there's no need for explicitly stating the conversion, correct?

opt=0 reduces rounding errors.

p:ColorMatrix(hints=true, opt=0)
i:ColorMatrix(hints=true, opt=0, interlace=true)
I triple the request for "info=3". Don't Robert's Rules of Order mean we now call for a vote? :P

[kaitsuburi]

Being able to change/add mpeg2source parameters would be nice for those of us who use colormatrix. I use a script for the "info=3" addition, but it would be nice to have the feature in DVD-RB.

So, a fourth request ;)

-kaitsuburi
(DVD-RB registered user)

[jdobbs]

Unfortunately the track record with adding these kinds of options hasn't been good -- mainly because people like to blame DVD-RB rather than look at the things they add themselves. Look through the forum and count the number of times people post complaining that DVD-RB doesn't work or is too slow -- and then when they post their INI file (after I spend 2 days debugging) you see it has 80 lines of redundant filters that couldn't possibly work.

But... being the dumbass (errr... I mean "customer focused individual") that I am, I'll add a hidden option that will allow you to add parameters to the MPEG2DEC() line. :)

[jdobbs]

@kumi,

Isn't your "info=3" example overly complex?

"hints=true" pulls the colorimetry info from DGIndex so there's no need for explicitly stating the conversion, correct?

opt=0 reduces rounding errors.

p:ColorMatrix(hints=true, opt=0)
i:ColorMatrix(hints=true, opt=0, interlace=true)
I triple the request for "info=3". Don't Robert's Rules of Order mean we now call for a vote? :PDoes it truly pull the colorimetry information? I couldn't find that in the documentation anywhere. In fact, it seems to indicate that the default would be used ("Rec.709->Rec.601") -- which wouldn't be good for DVD as it is backwards...

Another thing I don't like about the way it works is the unnecessary slowdown.

For example, I added this line:

ColorMatrix(hints=true, opt=0)

to a file that was Rec.709, the encode speed dropped from 5.25x to about 3.7x, even though no conversion was necessary. Actually I think it went the other way (Rec.709->Rec.601) but I haven't checked it.

Honestly I even did the conversion on some sources that were Rec.601 (menus)... and I couldn't see a noticable difference in the encoded color after running it through CCE. But, of course, others may see things differently or there may be other examples that are different.

Please don't get me wrong -- I'm not slamming the filter, as it is definitely something that is useful for many conversions... I'm just not sure whether it is needed for DVD-to-DVD conversion.

With all that said, I'm a firm believer in "to each his own" so I've added a "MPEG2SOURCE_OPTS=" hidden parameter for the next release.

[Boulder]

If you use that line, it'll do the conversion if your source is Rec.709, hence the slowdown. Also don't use opt=0 unless you are a true purist. The rounding error is insignificant with MMX or SSE2 optimized routines.

[~bT~]

IMO it's best to add them lines manually. I read somewhere, hints=true slows it down more.

I don't use hints=true, just the lines that kumi suggested in the color matrix thread.

[~bT~]

Honestly I even did the conversion on some sources that were Rec.601 (menus)... and I couldn't see a noticable difference in the encoded color after running it through CCE. But, of course, others may see things differently or there may be other examples that are different.
There is a diff.

[jdobbs]

I agree there's a difference -- otherwise there wouldn't be a need for the standards... but (at least to my eyes in the examples I've tried) I can't really see it. But then maybe it's just because the Rec.601 sources I've actually found and tested were in menus and it may not be as noticable there.

[jdobbs]

If you use that line, it'll do the conversion if your source is Rec.709, hence the slowdown. Also don't use opt=0 unless you are a true purist. The rounding error is insignificant with MMX or SSE2 optimized routines. Will it convert to Rec.601 or Rec.709?

I also tried adding "dest=0" to see if it would go faster (showing no need to convert) -- and it gave me an error saying the source/dest can't be the same.

[jdobbs]

Since DVD-RB already knows the colorimetry information while it's running (it creates the D2V)... maybe I should add another filter prefix called "c:" that get's executed whenever any part of the source (for that AVS) is anything other than Rec.709... what do you think?

[jdobbs]

Ok. I added it for the next version. So when that release comes out, if you want to have automatic color conversion you can add these lines (replacing the path with the correct one):

c:LoadPlugin("c:\the\path\to\colormatrix.dll")
c:i:ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",interlaced=true)
c:p:ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709")You wouldn't need hints turned on -- as DVD-RB already knows the colorimetry at the time it is creating the AVS.

[Boulder]

Will it convert to Rec.601 or Rec.709?

I also tried adding "dest=0" to see if it would go faster (showing no need to convert) -- and it gave me an error saying the source/dest can't be the same.By default the destination is Rec.601 which is why the conversion would be done almost every time if you used hints (because most DVDs are Rec.709).

By default, source is 0 so you can't use dest=0. Nevertheless, I think there is a bug in source/dest which will be fixed in the next release. So you should simply use mode="rec.601->rec.709" to be sure.

I like the c-idea a lot, makes things a lot easier and faster since hints won't be needed :) However, there are some DVDs which have variable colorimetrics info, i.e. the movie has a different one from the credits. I don't remember exactly which titles had such things though.

[~bT~]

Since DVD-RB already knows the colorimetry information while it's running (it creates the D2V)... maybe I should add another filter prefix called "c:" that get's executed whenever any part of the source (for that AVS) is anything other than Rec.709... what do you think?
Great! When can we see the next release?:p

[jdobbs]

It'll be a while. I have a couple other things I'm working also -- and I just released a version yesterday.

[jdobbs]

By default the destination is Rec.601 which is why the conversion would be done almost every time if you used hints (because most DVDs are Rec.709).

By default, source is 0 so you can't use dest=0. Nevertheless, I think there is a bug in source/dest which will be fixed in the next release. So you should simply use mode="rec.601->rec.709" to be sure.

I like the c-idea a lot, makes things a lot easier and faster since hints won't be needed :) However, there are some DVDs which have variable colorimetrics info, i.e. the movie has a different one from the credits. I don't remember exactly which titles had such things though. That's okay as long as they are in different segments. DVD-RB collects the colorimetry data for each segment individually while doing PREPARE.

[~bT~]

^ if thats the case then i believe hints=true would need to be used.

[jdobbs]

No... because DVD-RB is gathering the colorimetry information... it doesn't need any hints. In fact it gets the data directly from the SEQUENCE_DISPLAY_EXTENSION of the MPEG stream.

[kaitsuburi]

Ok. I added it for the next version. So when that release comes out, if you want to have automatic color conversion you can add these lines (replacing the path with the correct one):

c:LoadPlugin("c:\the\path\to\colormatrix.dll")
c:i:ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709",interlaced=true)
c:p:ColorMatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709")You wouldn't need hints turned on -- as DVD-RB already knows the colorimetry at the time it is creating the AVS.

Thanks jdobbs, you rock :thanks:

[Boulder]

@jdobbs: I suggest that you set the parameter scaling=1 in the ColorMatrix line. It disables clamping (that is, executing Limiter) and uses scaled (16-235/240) coefficients as should be used when dealing with DVDs.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=948357#post948357

If you wish to avoid any "different colorimetry in different frames" problems, you could always use the d2v option in ColorMatrix.

[jdobbs]

Interestingly I've run into a couple of discs for which this has come in handy in my testing of the next version. In doing "Charlotte's Web", NTSC, R1 I found that the entire disc was encoded using Rec.601.

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs: I suggest that you set the parameter scaling=1 in the ColorMatrix line. It disables clamping (that is, executing Limiter) and uses scaled (16-235/240) coefficients as should be used when dealing with DVDs. I'm trying to understand why... is it because the values are already clipped before the conversion and you don't want to distort it in the simulated YUV->RGB->YUV process?

[Boulder]

I'm trying to understand why... is it because the values are already clipped before the conversion and you don't want to distort it in the simulated YUV->RGB->YUV process?16-235/240 is called "TV scale" which is as the name implies, the scale that DVDs use. Therefore it is the correct one. The scale is specified by the standard called CCIR-601.

Limiter clamps the values to 16-235/240 but many people don't like it for some reason, that's why I suggested using scaling=1 which uses the TV scale but doesn't call Limiter. I always use Limiter at the end of my scripts when doing any DVDs.

[jdobbs]

Why would we not want to clamp the values to 16-235/240 with the default "scaling=0"? I guess that's the real question I'm asking.

[Boulder]

I see no reason for that myself. However, many people complain that using Limiter turns black into dark grey (because the lowest luma value is 16) and I wanted to spare you from that. You can, of course, compare the output and see if there is any noticable difference to your eyes.

Needless to say, clamping the values will give a small compressibility boost :)

[Sharc]

Filter editor:
If I understand correctly, the filters are not applied to menus.
I would suggest to introduce a filter prefix (m) for filters that should be applied to the menus, e.g. for better compressability. Even better, if a special matrix for menus could be defined.

[jdobbs]

Hey... we're thinking alike. I've recently added the "M:" prefix for the next version. :)

[Sharc]

That's good news :cool:

Now I am curious if
- Matrix selection will follow the changes of the bitrates done by means of the editor
- Q-factor will be re-estimated in OPV mode after blanking of segments with the editor
in the coming release....

[Rippraff]

As it comes up again (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=124713), a feature request:


To have the ability in the segment editor to blank/force encode on a VTS basis. Currently you have do do this for all segments by hand.
For these Letterbox/WS versions:
To have the ability to choose what the main movie is.
The second one isn't that important as the first one would be a workaround for this. ;)
It wouldn't work for 'movie only' mode, though.

Cu Rippraff

[SpazzHH]

And at the risk of sounding greedy after all the great new features lately,:rolleyes: was just wondering again about being able to use different encoders on the same project. It would just be so sweet to be able to choose CCE for all the progressive content, and have HC or Procoder handle all the interlaced stuff.

[Boulder]

Regarding ColorMatrix in DVD-RB: as there's also colorimetrics FCC and SMPTE 240M, you should also use the d2v parameter when adding the line into the scripts. This will ensure that the correct conversion is done in every case.

By the way, how does DVD-RB determine if the line is needed, that is, what colorimetry values in the d2v file are considered as Rec.709?

[FredThompson]

Huh? Which d2v parameter? What's a sample call that matches your comment?

[Boulder]

If you use mode="rec.601->rec.709" and d2v="path\clip.d2v" and the colorimetry information in the d2v file is something else than rec.709, the source colorimetry in the mode is adjusted accordingly. Then the conversion is correct every time.

[jdobbs]

Regarding ColorMatrix in DVD-RB: as there's also colorimetrics FCC and SMPTE 240M, you should also use the d2v parameter when adding the line into the scripts. This will ensure that the correct conversion is done in every case.

By the way, how does DVD-RB determine if the line is needed, that is, what colorimetry values in the d2v file are considered as Rec.709?I've never seen a DVD that isn't either Rec.601 or Rec.709. SMPTE 240M would probably imply an HD source -- which DVD-RB wouldn't expect to see as input (since it backs up standard DVDs) -- but is equivalent to Rec.709. FCC is considered the same as Rec.601 because the difference (as I understand it) is insignificant.

The decision is made based upon the matrix_coefficients setting in the stream. If none is specified, then (per spec) Rec.709 is assumed.

[jdobbs]

Huh? Which d2v parameter? What's a sample call that matches your comment?Here's a line from a D2V:900 1 0 956416 1 1 72 73 d0 f1 f2 e3 f0 f1 e2 f3 f0 e1The bold value represents the colorimetry information for that sequence.

Here are the definitions of the value:

1 ITU-R BT.709 I709
4 FCC (almost the same as ITU-R BT.601) FCC
5 ITU-R BT.470-2 (exactly the same as ITU-R BT.601)
(recommendation BT.601 is an update BT.470-2) I470
6 SMPTE 170M (exactly the same as ITU-R BT.601) S170
7 SMPTE 240M (almost the same as ITU-R BT.709) S240

[Boulder]

I've never seen a DVD that isn't either Rec.601 or Rec.709. SMPTE 240M would probably imply an HD source -- which DVD-RB wouldn't expect to see as input (since it backs up standard DVDs) -- but is equivalent to Rec.709. FCC is considered the same as Rec.601 because the difference (as I understand it) is insignificant.

The decision is made based upon the matrix_coefficients setting in the stream. If none is specified, then (per spec) Rec.709 is assumed.OK..I wasn't exactly sure whether FCC and SMPTE 240M were almost the same as Rec.601 and Rec.709 respectively.

I've seen one PAL DVD with SMPTE 240M coeffs but unfortunately I don't remember which one it is in my collection. I somehow recall it was a BBC series so I might just try and find it and see what the difference between accurate conversion and rec.601->rec.709 is in that case.

[Boulder]

I found a small glitch in the ColorMatrix feature. If the colorimetry value is '2' in the d2v file, ColorMatrix is added but it shouldn't be. In that case, the colorimetry is not defined but it is assumed that it is Rec.709. I think the information is buried in the ColorMatrix thread, but I just tested it and the results showed that in case of colorimetry value of 2, no ColorMatrix line is needed.

[Boulder]

I've gone one more feature request: in HC mode, the option to put the encoder exe files in the temp directory would be greatly appreciated.

At the moment I've got DVD-RB installed on my Windows drive which has ~300MB space left. When encoding two long segments simultaneously, the HC temp files take a huge amount of space so it would really be nice if the temporary encoder exes were copied to the temp directory.

[Rippraff]

What do you mean by temp directory, hopefully the working path in RB?

Cu Rippraff

[jdobbs]

I found a small glitch in the ColorMatrix feature. If the colorimetry value is '2' in the d2v file, ColorMatrix is added but it shouldn't be. In that case, the colorimetry is not defined but it is assumed that it is Rec.709. I think the information is buried in the ColorMatrix thread, but I just tested it and the results showed that in case of colorimetry value of 2, no ColorMatrix line is needed.I was under the assumption that "2" is an illegal value and should never occur.

[Boulder]

What do you mean by temp directory, hopefully the working path in RB?

Cu RippraffBy the temp directory I mean the Windows temp directory which you can set yourself via the System applet in Control Panel.

@jdobbs: at least the DVB transmissions here have '2' as the colorimetry value. DGIndex only shows it as Unknown.

EDIT: here's the table from the ColorMatrix docs:

0 forbidden
1 ITU-R BT.709
2 Unspecified Video (unknown)
3 reserved
4 FCC
5 ITU-R BT.470-2 (exactly the same as ITU-R BT.601)
6 SMPTE 170M (exactly the same as ITU-R BT.601)
7 SMPTE 240M

[Rippraff]

By the temp directory I mean the Windows temp directory which you can set yourself via the System applet in Control Panel.
I'ld prefer to have everything stored in the working path as in my eyes users will pick the drive with the largest free space for their working folder.

Cu Rippraff

[Boulder]

Well, that's one possible place too.

I also noticed that the temporary encoder folders are not removed after the process has been stopped so the huge dbs files will remain in the "tempenc" folders.

[jdobbs]

I'll change it to the working directory for the next release. People already expect a lot of size there. I'll also read matrix_coefficients=2 as unknown (implying Rec.709).

[Snarko]

How about OPV/CQ runs for CCE, HCEnc (I'm really interested in HCEnc here) using the matrices specified in the advanced settings? Possible to add to DVD-RB itself, or should I wait till RB-Opt works with HCCenc properly? Thanks.

[chainring]

How about OPV/CQ runs for CCE, HCEnc (I'm really interested in HCEnc here) using the matrices specified in the advanced settings? Possible to add to DVD-RB itself, or should I wait till RB-Opt works with HCCenc properly? Thanks.
You may want to read some of the threads that deal with applying matrices to an OPV/CQ encode. IIRC, doing so can cause the prediction phase to crater, thus making it unreliable.

Filters during OPV/CQ, yes.
Matrices during OPV/CQ, no.

[jdobbs]

I'm looking at use of a single matrix for OPV as an option as opposed to one that changes based upon resulting bitrate. But, true to form, my first encode oversized by quite a bit. I'm still not sure why this happens... you'd think that predicting with the same single matrix would remain accurate... but it doesn't seem to be the case.

[ricoman]

I know this is minor but everytime I update RBpro, it defaults to the multple encoder setting and of course I forget. Since most of us (I believe) do not have duo core systems, could the default be changed. This is the third time I have gone to bed while running RB/HC and when I get up in the morning it is still only 50% processed. Then I have to leave for work with the computer still processing. When it is set to multiple encoder and you don't have duo core, it takes more than twice as long to process 8 hrs. +, normally it takes me less than 4 hrs. Thanks for your consideration. Maybe a poll can be taken to see how many subscribers have duo core machines.

[jdobbs]

That probably means your system is somehow misconfigured. There is an environment variable called "NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS" that DVD-RB looks at to see how many processors you have. In your case it seems it may be wrong. If you only have one processor, it should be set to one, and DVD-RB will only run one process.

You can also say "No" during the installation when DVD-RB asks whether to overwrite your REBUILDER.INI file -- and all your old settings will be kept.

You can look at "NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS" by right clicking on "My Computer", selecting "Properties", and then choosing "Environment Variables" under the "Advanced" tab.

[Rippraff]

@ricoman

This has already been answered (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=975288#post975288) more than a month ago...

Cu Rippraff

[ricoman]

@ricoman

This has already been answered (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=975288#post975288) more than a month ago...

Cu Rippraff

That was a question and the solution didn't work. This is the Wish List thread and this is my wish.

Thank you jdobbs, I'll give it at try.

[ricoman]

You can look at "NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS" by right clicking on "My Computer", selecting "Properties", and then choosing "Environment Variables" under the "Advanced" tab.

You are correct, it says 2, can I just edit this or with that screw something up. I do have hyperthreading, would this be considered a 2nd processor to RB? Also, your assessment was right, I alway overwrite the ini. file. Thanks for the help.

[Boulder]

Windows considers HT-capable processor as 2 different processors.

However, using the multiple encoders option on a HT processor should actually make the encoding faster, not slower as in your case.

[jdobbs]

It's possible the hyperthreading may be interpreted that way. But if it were correct and your system is properly configured -- you should also see better encoding times with multiple processes than with single ones.

I'm not sure where/how that environment varible gets set... so I'm not positive whether changing it will stay consistent, or it will go back the next time you reboot.

[jdobbs]

That is definitely confusing. Even on a single processor computer (e.g. my AMD XP 3200+) my tests with multiple process encoding don't show a significant slowdown. It just doesn't run any faster either.


How are you situated for memory? If the two instances makes your computer start using virtual memory I can see how that could slow it down.

[ricoman]

Hyperthreading is enabled. I have 1gig ram.
My system is P4 3.0 WD 320 & 160 SATA drives w/ XP pro. I defrag regularly. It normally takes 4 1/2 +/- hrs. for RB pro using HC, though HC 21 sped it up to approx. 3 hrs. 50 with my last run. However, the last 3 time (he said with embarrassment ;>) I forgot to uncheck "multiple processor" it took 8-9 hrs. to process.
Has no one else reported this problem?

[SpazzHH]

I use to have exactly the same setup. Average disc with one instance of HC - 3 hrs. Average disc with two instances of HC - 2 hrs. 45 min.

[Boulder]

Just for the heck of it, run DVD-RB with 2 encoder processes and then see what Task Manager (ctrl+alt+del) says about the processes, is the CPU usage something like less than 40% for both of the encoder processes?

[laserfan]

My system is P4 3.0 ... It normally takes 4 1/2 +/- hrs. for RB pro using HC, though HC 21 sped it up to approx. 3 hrs. 50 with my last run. However, the last 3 time (he said with embarrassment ;>) I forgot to uncheck "multiple processor" it took 8-9 hrs. to process.
Ouch, something is wrong there for sure. Mine's a 3.2GHz P4 and my last project went 7m Prepare, 118m Encode, 14m Rebuild so just over two hours and that is typical.

The Env variable says '2 processors' and latest RB-Pro runs two instances of HC.

I remember an earlier version of (RB-Pro? HC? Both?) where two instances was noticeably slower, but with the latest setup it seems fast so I've left it alone, despite that initially the two instances of HC alarmed me... :eek:

[rack04]

Jdobbs, what are your thoughts on implementing a "Two Click Mode"? The first click is the "Prepare" and the second click is the "Encode and Rebuild". This way the user is able to run the "Prepare", blank video segments using the "Video Segment Viewer/Editor", enable "Shutdown on Rebuild Completion", and lastly run the "Encode and Rebuild".

[rendez2k]

Jdobbs, what are your thoughts on implementing a "Two Click Mode"? The first click is the "Prepare" and the second click is the "Encode and Rebuild". This way the user is able to run the "Prepare", blank video segments using the "Video Segment Viewer/Editor", enable "Shutdown on Rebuild Completion", and lastly run the "Encode and Rebuild".

Its there already - just hit Encode after the prepare stage!

[~bT~]

Its there already - just hit Encode after the prepare stage!
U mean Rebuild?

[rendez2k]

Yup, thats the one! Sorry!

[rack04]

Its there already - just hit Encode after the prepare stage!

Actually the whole purpose of me suggesting "Two Click Mode" is so that i can use the Video Segment Viewer/Editor to blank video segments and then continue to "Encode" and "Rebuild" in one step. That way after the "Encode" the "Rebuild" would automatically start and then shutdown when complete. For example last night before I went to bed I started the "Prepare" in "3 Click Mode". After the "Prepare" was completed I blanked the video segments I didn't want using the Video Segment Viewer/Editor. Once I was done blanking I clicked "Encode" and went to bed. When I woke up this morning the "Encode" was complete and the computer was still powered on. I had to click "Rebuild" and once "Rebuild was complete it automatically shutdown. Does this make sense?

U mean Rebuild?

Ok maybe that's what I'm missing. I'll try this next time I run DVD-RB.

[Rippraff]

As already mentioned, this feature was introduced in October 2005 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=720550#post720550). ;)

Cu Rippraff

[rack04]

As already mentioned, this feature was introduced in October 2005 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=720550#post720550). ;)

Cu Rippraff

Thanks. Sorry for my confusion.

[ron spencer]

was PAL-NTSC and vicey versa discussed as a feature?

[Video Dude]

When I use batch mode in v1.25.0 with the Shutdown option enabled, DVD-RB does not shut the computer off when finished with the batch. The program remains open. Shutdown works for single projects. Is Shutdown supposed to work in batch mode?

[rack04]

When I use batch mode in v1.25.0 with the Shutdown option enabled, DVD-RB does not shut the computer off when finished with the batch. The program remains open. Shutdown works for single projects. Is Shutdown supposed to work in batch mode?

Are you using "Shutdown at Batch Completion" under File?

[Video Dude]

I did not see the shutdown under File. I was using the one under Mode.

:thanks:

[blutach]

I know this has been asked before, but is there a plan to encode VIDEO_TS.VOB as well as other menu VOBs?

Apologies if this is already implemented somehow, but I can't figure out where. For now, I am re-authoring the disk so the menus are not in VMG.

Regards

[Boulder]

I'd like to ask for an improvement in the multiple encoders setting. Currently the encoding process leaps way back when you need to stop it and restart it at a later time.

Last time I lost about 1.5hrs work as the first encoder instance was working on a long segment at a slow speed and the second encoder had done many small segments in that time. When I had to stop the process and restart it later, the first instance began encoding the long segment and the second instance began encoding the next one after that.

[blutach]

There's a manual way round that Boulder, by using the Encode Progress flag for each segment. I know it is picky but it works.

Regards

[jdobbs]

You have to be careful with that, though. If you had situation in which you are encoding 1, 2, 3, and 4 -- and #2 is hasn't completed (although 3 and 4 has) because it is very long -- there's no way to skip 3 and 4 when you restart... because the encode progress has to be set back to 2...

The easiest way to do that scenario is to cut-and-paste the ECL information from "2" into an independent .ECL file and encode it directly from CCE... and then set the encode progress to 4.

[tom942]

Just a little thing

Could you fix that when you use NaN's decoder, instead of unknown, says something like "NaN's 1.1.1" or something similar. I know, it falls in what you call cosmetic changes :).

[jdobbs]

Ok... I'll change that in the next version. Interestingly, if I added up all the changes that fall under the line "Other minor and cosmetic changes." in the release notes they probably add up to more than all the other changes combined. :)

[tom942]

I forgot other thing, don´t you mind to leave the final file created in the prepare phase when you are doing OPV or CQ to check quality, in the same way that RB-OPT?

I imagine that there are more cosmetic things in the TODO list than the important one's :).

[jdobbs]

I forgot other thing, don´t you mind to leave the final file created in the prepare phase when you are doing OPV or CQ to check quality, in the same way that RB-OPT?I don't think I understand.

[tom942]

Mmmm, maybe I express wrong :(.

When you select CCE and later "One pass VBR (w/analysis)" or the same for HC, after the prepare phase, RB put "Q value selected: 27" or other value in the log.

Well, I just saying not to delete that video sample, just to check the quality, or load it in bitrate viewer and see the quants, for instance :).

[tom942]

Using HC encoder in "One Pass VBR (w/analysis)", if you select "Menu encoding", the encoded menu is bigger than the original one and I suppose that it happens because it also encodes the menu in One Pass mode :(.

Could it be changed to multipass encode in the same way that CCE does?.

Thanks :).

[timbotu]

A suggestion to get rid of a lot of unnecessary clicks:

1) Have some kind of option to remove by default the "unreferenced audio" tracks on some dvds.

2) An option to automatically set the output directory to SpecifiedFolder\InputDirectoryName

3) Instead of "UNTITLED" make the default project file name that of the input directory.

That by itself would save a lot of clicks, especially when doing a bunch of movies at once.

[blutach]

1. The only way audio would be unreferenced is if ther stream can not be selected at all - I have never seen this in a commercial DVD and in any event, the remote could select the stream. If you are talking about audio not in your language, see Settings --> setup.

Regards

[timbotu]

I've seen both, but recent DVD-RB versions seem to have fixed it for one or the other. Maybe it's subtitles that need to be fixed. At any rate, it's something I noticed.

What I'd really like to see are the intuitive directory/saving ideas. I do 20 or 30 DVDs at a time and it gets really tedious.

[Boulder]

Stripped from another thread:
But I am working on ways to integrate external audio into the stream -- mainly as a path toward doing true authoring with the same engine. That's going to be a while, though.In addition to this, could you consider a feature to import external subtitles (or replace existing ones)? I have quite a lot of DVDs that have only hard-of-hearing subs which are quite annoying to use. It would help a lot if I had an automated way to import "cleaned up" subs.

[fjhdavid]

if it is not to difficult:

add a "correct audio delay" button using Nic (and jsoto) routines during the rebuild phase?

it should be helpful in order to synchronize audio and video

thanks
francois

[fjhdavid]

sorry for this second wish but I was thinking of an "automatic gain setting feature" for the movie audio channel, because when you record DVD, the dynamic range is not always pefect and dependant from the TV channel.

it could be add in an audio menu with the audio delay correction settings...

my two cents

but the software is wonderful as it is!

Francois

[Wombler]

Every so often I'm forced to leave the PC having already started 'One Click Mode' and would like to set the PC to shut down on completion.

I'd like to be able to alter the shut down options after 'One Click Mode' has been started but the menu with the 'Shutdown' option is locked and greyed out.

To make life easy would it be possible to have the 'On Completion' options made selectable during processing?

This would also cover the scenario where you'd set it to shut down and no longer wished to (I know there's already a box that appears at the end of processing but it would be nice not to have to wait for this to appear).

TIA.


Wombler

[RickA]

I would really like to see some kind of visual indicator that pc shutdown is activated. Nothing fancy mind you, just something that in a quick glance while the encoding process is underway to verify auto shutdown is active.

Usually, when I use this feature it is late at night before going to bed (brain is tired and groggy) or in a hurry out the door (too many things on the brain at once). Sometimes when I give my computer 'one last look' before turning off the monitor I wonder if I really did click on auto shutdown or not. Chalk it up to the onset of old age forgetfullness I guess. Still would be nice to 'know' that it is enabled without having to stop the process and restarting - just to make sure.

My apologies if already mentioned and my laziness for not reading through 19 pages to see if it has. :-)

Cheers,
Rick

[rack04]

:stupid: I would really use this feature.

[jdobbs]

For the next version the "Auto Shutdown" and "Close DVD-RB" functions have been moved to the FILE menu. That way you can drop the menu during execution and see immediately whether or not they are checked. You can also set or reset them as you wish.

[rack04]

For the next version the "Auto Shutdown" and "Close DVD-RB" functions have been moved to the FILE menu. That way you can drop the menu during execution and see immediately whether or not they are checked. You can also set or reset them as you wish.

Perfect. Thanks alot.

[Wombler]

For the next version the "Auto Shutdown" and "Close DVD-RB" functions have been moved to the FILE menu. That way you can drop the menu during execution and see immediately whether or not they are checked. You can also set or reset them as you wish.

Superb!

Many thanks for implementing this.:thanks:


Wombler

[rudiger]

Here's my entry on the wishlist: I would like an AppleTV option on DVDRebuilder Pro.

I just love DVD RB Pro! :thanks:

rudiger

[Rumbah]

It would be great if you could actually change "Auto Shutdown" and "Close DVD-RB" status while the encoding process is running.

That way you don't have to stop the encoding only because you decide to go to bed :) .

[Boulder]

Isn't that what jdobbs actually said: "That way you can drop the menu during execution and see immediately whether or not they are checked. You can also set or reset them as you wish."

[Rumbah]

Well, you're right, sorry about the previous post. I just didn't see the "You can also set or reset them as you wish".

[tom942]

Could you add a txt file in the same way than Redistribution.txt just for the classic method including the calculated bitrate of each segment?.

With that txt you could look quickly if you need to change the matrix for some segment, instead of search the bitrates through the ecl file.

[blutach]

@Tom

The easy way to see what the bitrates are for each segment is in the Preview/Edit tab. You can then decide if you wish to edit the ECL with a different matrix.

Regards

[tom942]

@blutach

Thank you for the tip. I don´t use to use the segment editor, and I didn´t knew that I could see it there :).

[Wishbringer]

Bitrate redist:
In prepare phase only one Instance of Encoder is used, even if multible cores are selected.
CPU usage is on Quadcore only 30% in that phase.

Encoding pipe on multicores:
On my quadcore HCenc is launced in encode phase four times in a row. And it counts through all segments in increasing segment numbers.
This could lead to suboptimal results in usage time when last segments are large. It last happened that only one Instance of HCenc was running such a large segment and all other Instances were finished.
Why not encode segments out of the row: largest first, then smaller ones?!

[blutach]

@Wishbringer

#1 is on the drawing board, I think as this has been mentioned recently.

#2 is a darned good idea, especially for episodic DVDs which tend to have long segments (to match their ad breaks). I'd like to second this idea!

Regards

[jdobbs]

I guess the driver for #2 would be "How often does that actually happen?" I can't remember it ever happening to me. So for me the bottom line is -- how much time do I want to spend writing something that (at least in my experience) almost never happens...

Anyone else experience this on a regular basis?

I'll look at it, though, and see if it is something that is easy to implement.

[blutach]

You do see it quite a bit jdobbs. I've seen some DVDs that only contain cells about 10 minutes long; particularly episodic DVDs or DVDs shot in inferior DVD cams or preprocessed by inferior package software that can only mark chapters at 5 minutes or so.

Now, you coud preprocess with VobBlanker or DVDRMP to split the last few cells down to "reasonable size" and this would take not much time (say 5 minutes), but this is probably as long as it takes to have the last encoder going by itself.

Regards

[jdobbs]

I guess I don't understand. I wouldn't have thought of 10 minutes as a long segment... and if they were all 10 minutes, then sorting them on size wouldn't make much difference.

[blutach]

Yes, if they were all 10 minutes, you're right.

But in the context of a regular feature movie, in my experience, 10 minutes is lengthy compared to most cell lengths (3-4 minutes) and in most episodic DVDs, there are lengthy segments but also little prologues (eg last week on name of show) = 4 of them times say 90 seconds each ... encode these last.

If the last segment is lengthy compared to at least one of the others, then there's only one encoder running over this last one, which takes a bit of additional time. It's not a big deal as it's only one segment, but the idea on a quad would be to have the machine working as hard as possible and not having 75% CPU resources free while encoding a long segment.

I suspect the time saved is only a few minutes overall, but this might be worth aiming for, if it is not too hard to implement (after all we know the segments' sizes before a frame is encoded).

Up to you, of course.

Regards

[blutach]

Just a note ....

HC022 now uses all CPU of multi processors, so this is now totally unnecessary.

Regards

[kumi]

a) I wish DVD-RB supported HC AQ.
b) I wish I could redistribute using HC "Fast" mode but encode using HC "Best" mode.
c) I also wish I could use other future obscure HC parameters at will :)

Maybe this could be accomplished with support for two override ini files:

C:\DVD-RB\HC1.ini
(used by DVD-RB in Phase I HC redistribution)
*AQ 0
*CQ_BFACTOR 1.4
*CQ_PFACTOR 2
*PROFILE FAST

C:\DVD-RB\HC2.ini
(used by DVD-RB in Phase II HC encoding)
*AQ 2
*CQ_BFACTOR 1.4
*CQ_PFACTOR 2
*PROFILE BEST

[Rippraff]

b) I wish I could redistribute using HC "Fast" mode but encode using HC "Best" mode.
July 7th, 2007 (v1.26.2)
CHANGES MADE TO PRO VERSION

- Turned off HC VBV and scene detection (except for a 100%
setting) during REDISTRIBUTION. This appears to have been
slowing down the speed of HC redist on some systems.
Also set HC to fast mode during the REDISTRIBUTION pass
as it gives the same results.

:)

Cu Rippraff

[kumi]

Doesn't work in one-click mode ;)

[lantern]

I have a suggestion for the wishlist. I know there wouldn't be too many people that would use it, but it would be nice to be able to select a custom size output from the DVD-RB interface instead of going into the ini file to change it. Maybe have it located with the DVD-5 DVD-9 selection as Custom Size and then it opens a dialog box to enter in sectors or MB.

Thanks

[tom942]

Hi,

I have noticed that when I do redistribution phase with HC (I use to use 100% sample instead than the default one), if LUMGAIN is ON, then that pass is very slowly and the new bitrate profile differs from CCE SP or SP2.

If I turn off LUMGAIN during redistribution pass it goes faster and the final bitrate profile it is very similar to the one obtained with CCE SP or SP2.

Could you add something that:

1) Turns off LUMGAIN during redistribution pass (at least with a 100% sample)

2) and then turns it on during encode phase, with the value selected in the DVD-RB?.

Thanks and greets.

[Sharc]

I have noticed that when I do redistribution phase with HC (I use to use 100% sample instead than the default one), if LUMGAIN is ON, then that pass is very slowly and the new bitrate profile differs from CCE SP or SP2.

If I turn off LUMGAIN during redistribution pass it goes faster and the final bitrate profile it is very similar to the one obtained with CCE SP or SP2.

You may add in the rebuilder.ini under [Options]:
REDIST_USE_FINAL_Q=1
(It normally makes the profiles of HC and CCE look more similar)

Could you add something that:

1) Turns off LUMGAIN during redistribution pass (at least with a 100% sample)

2) and then turns it on during encode phase, with the value selected in the DVD-RB?.

Hmmm... , not sure if this is recommended in general, because for best results the redistribution should be run with same (or most similar) conditions as the final encode for best results. Otherwise there is a mismatch between the two.

[Boulder]

LUMGAIN does nothing in CQ mode, it only affects the 2-pass encode.

[Sharc]

So does this mean in can be disabled for the redistribution pass without consequence on the redistributed bitrate per segment for the final encode (other than saving time?).

[Boulder]

Yes, it doesn't matter whether it's enabled or not.. You can check the behaviour by enabling LUMGAIN and then opening the resulting m2v file in DGIndex and using the Log Quant Matrices option while saving a project. I once tested this and the quant matrix didn't change at all in the CQ encode.

[Sharc]

Thanks, good to know.
(Now I am just wondering a bit why LUMGAIN takes extra time when enabled for the redistribution pass, according to tom942's observation. Maybe the algoritm is still running but eventually has no effect on the matrix?).

[Boulder]

Hey..I stand corrected :) It seems that the feature was disabled for CQ mode in some earlier version but in the latest 024 beta, it does work. Which is actually really nice, I think I posted about this issue in some HC thread long time ago.

[tom942]

Hi Sharc,

I've been a long time user of that option :). I still remember the discussion between if it was worth or not the time spent in the previous passes looking for the FINAL_Q, or just use BASE_Q :).

I thought as you, that it was better to have in both phases LUMGAIN ON, but the time for the redistribution pass was much more longer that with it OFF.

Then I did several different tests and later compare the Resditribution.txt from HC with LUMGAIN ON, later OFF and to the ones generated using SP or SP2.
If LUMGAIN was ON, the difference with the profile with the one generated by CCE family in the same cells sometimes can go up to about 500 kpbs.
With it OFF, it is more close to the one generated by CCE.

Then the reasoning that I followed was that if CCE didn´t modify its matrix during redist phase, and later, in the encoding phase, you could use AQM without harm, then I could do something similar with HC (Phase one, LUMGAIN OFF, Phase two LUMGAIN ON).
Also, as we can use HC to avoid CCE "bug" and later encode with CCE own settings, then I thought that we could use/translate similar settings.
For instance, I remember that the GOP size in redist phase is fixed to 12, although you've got for encoding phase, 15 or auto.

I can do this manually but I prefer that DVD-RB does it automatically, mainly if I forget to change the setting between a phase and the other.

[tom942]

Hi Boulder,

I don´t know what version you tested, but 0.23 (I don´t know about 0.24 because I don´t have tested yet, what a shame :p) if you look at the GUI while is in CQ mode, you'll see in the matrix section the "ADAPTIVE" word.
Later, as you said, if you check the log generated by DGIndex, you'll see that there are several matrices, not just the one selected.