Scenaid 1.7.0.6 (with VIP mode)

[Master Yoda]

I was wondering why is the max bitrate that scanaid gives seems quite low. Im backing up cursed, i have removed the 2 foreign for 5.1 tracks and kept the 6 sub tracks and the max is 8968 were as the dif4u max is 9352. Its just on the movie after backing it up i checked in the bit allocation and on two parts at the beginning the background colour is gray rather than green as the bitrate at that part jumps up to the max, its only the B frames that go over 10 though.Although i dont think going to 9352 would max a difference on that scene.

[D3s7]

I'd have to see the log file and the ccedata file but Audio and/or angles effect max bitrate.

Doitfast4u doesn't take angles into account for max bitrate

[influenza]

For me they are exactly the same.

[D3s7]

same values or same issue?

[influenza]

hehe, sorry: same values, so correct. :)

[Master Yoda]

nope, no angles. Just one 5.1 track, two removed 5.1 tracks which are now dummyed and 6 sub tracks. Or do the subs or dummys take away a bit from the max. I see what happens, the dummy audios bitrate gets taken into acount. I guess dif4u does'nt do this.

dif4u 9800-448 = 9352
scenaid 9800-448-192-192 = 8968

@Influenza... same film Cursed?

Got another problem, the script scenaid created has'nt imported the subs but instead its put dummys in there place. Scenaid version 1.7.0.5.

[D3s7]

you using scenarist?

shoot me your email.. i have a potential fix for the sub issue.. but need a scenarist user to test (works for me)

[Master Yoda]

yeah Scenarist 2.6.

I've pm'ed u my email address.

[influenza]

@Influenza... same film Cursed?

No, but I doubt it would be title related.

But if this is a scenaid bug there's an easy workaround of course: tell scenaid to use the dif4u values (assuming you didn't play around with the bitrates in scenaid). I'm using the dif4u values btw, since they seem to be a bit less than scenaid's. Just to avoid oversized discs.

[Master Yoda]

No sign of D3s7 for a while, guessing he's busy. Still waiting on that sub fix.

[D3s7]

Yeah sorry.. i'm here....

Works been flooded then had a family emerg..

Lemme send you that file tonight

[Master Yoda]

OK, fair enough family always comes first.

But send it to my yahoo address if you will instead of my hotmail one.I'll send you another pm with my yahoo one.

By the way was wondering, seen as the bitrate caculations of scenaid take into acount the dummy files bitrate would it be possible to have the dummy tracks with a lower bitrate than 192, think the dvd spec can go down to 32. Would give a higher max. Or can i just change the dummy that scenaid use's myself?

OK ive re-installed scenaid fresh, replaced the ex with the new one you sent, i have the latest dgindex.Ive started the project fresh, i have demux run scenaid and generated the script, but i dont think its going to import any subs as theres the same amount of dummy subs in the dummy folder as there was before with the previous version.

[D3s7]

Scenaid 1.7.0.6 is now on the website
This includes a fix for subtitles under scenarist

[Chubmeister]

Sorry, haven't looked to see if this has happened before...

DOITF4U (1.4.7.0) extracted some ac3 files that had underscores in them thus:

VTS__01_P08-81-192K-[-128]ms(fixed)-ch2English_-_Directors_Comments.AC3

VTS__01_P08-83-192K-[-128]ms(fixed)-ch2English_-_Alternate_Directors_Comments.AC3

There were others but you get the gist, interestingly the P08_80 file did not have the underscores, nor did any of the other VTS sets.

I assume this is unusual because scenaid (1.7.0.6) failed on import as it was looking for files without the underscores.

Of course the fix was simple, I just edited the scenarist script and it imported and compiled fine.

The dvd was 'The Girl Next Door'

Is this a new one?

Chubmeister

[jel]

hey chubmeister,

unfortuntely this is not a new one ... it also happens with apostrophe's eg : XXX_Director's_Comments v's XXX_Directors_Comments.

to be honest, i was going to remind d3s7 of this the other day as it happened with yet another movie i was working on.

for now though, i use the same fix that you do.

cheers
j

[ercofra]

If I do a fresh install with Scenaid 1.7.0.6 with VIP mode and MuxMan, Scenaid always ask to me where is Scenarist(I don't have it installed) and even if I select MuxMan in the authoring options with "Save settings on exist" selected, Scenaid still ask to me where is Scenarist everytime I load it; I have to re-select all the settings, not only for the authoring part, but even for all the other options.

[Tobii]

No more subtitles are imported in the Scenarist 3.0!

For me looks as if this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=98815) problem was shifted on the combination ScenAid 1.7.0.6 + Scenarist 3.0.


Regards, T.

[Pike007]

Tobii,

I only just noticed this as well but found out 1.7.5 and 1.7.6 don't import subs but 1.7.4 does. I tested with the same settings and same assets for all of the Scenaid builds. If you have 1.7.4 could you confirm?

I was using Scenarist 2.6.

[Tobii]

Pike007,

No, I have the problem only with the build 1.7.0.6.
If I see in the script...something is so missing there.

Results with older builds...

ScenAid 1.7.0.4 + Scenarist 3.0 = all subtitles are imported, no problems
ScenAid 1.7.0.5 + Scenarist 3.0 = all subtitles are imported, no problems

I could make way on muxman but this doesn't solve this problem with scenarist!

[Pike007]

Ok, I thought that I could save you some time if you could confirm this.

Hmmm, I wonder why I don't see any subs with Scenarist for these Scenaid builds? I'll have to do some more testing to see if it's just this DVD or something else. Thanks for letting me know.

[Pike007]

I was mistaken about 1.7.5
It does import subs but I definitely can't get 1.7.6 to import at all. It seems to skip the subtitle processing at the end of the script and goes directly to Scenarist (using 1 click method)

[D3s7]

Grr.. thought I fixed that.... <sigh>

can you guys tell me what your settings are and I'll see if I can reproduce it here

(back from vacation as you can see)

[Tobii]

Nice to see that you are back. My ScenAid settings are always the same (nothing changes)

Options
(x) Save Settings On Exit
(x) Create new D2V/AVS with Decode

Authoring Options
Scenarist --- (x) Use Scenarist 3.0

Sub Handling
(x) Use Original Palette

Advanced Subtitle Options
(x) Remove Stop from "No Stop" BMPs
(x) Adjust start time to Scene time when less then min value
(x) Minimum Distance (in frame) ---> Default

Audio Handling
(x) Add Silence to PGC Demux
(x) Add Silence to VOBID Demux

Encoder Options
(x) Open Encoder Automatically
(x) Batch CCE

Other Options
(x) Enable Right Click
(x) Debug Logging



BTW...What hides behind the setting "Format Options"?
Hasn't been eligible with me always.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9459/scenaidscreenshot5st.png


Regards, T.

[D3s7]

I think i've found the problem just have to test it....

Format Options is something in the works which will include Half D1 options and maybe format conversion

[Tobii]

I look forwards to the next final release. :)

Format Options is something in the works which will include Half D1 options and maybe format conversion
This sounds very good and is primarily very helpful to the future. Thanks for the information.


Regards, T.

[Pike007]

Also glad to see your back :)

My settings are pretty much the same as Tobii except for the following I have checked:

-Generate Script after Scan (one click run)
-Scenarist 2.6
-Enable Bov
-Start encode on import

-I have nothing checked under "Other options"

D3s7, Im curently using DgDecode 1.4.3 and would like to know what version is recommended. Do you have any preference?

The issue for me is that using the same assets created by Scenaid, I can import subs with builds 1.7.5 and below. If I use 1.7.6 there are no subs imported.

[D3s7]

Ok.. think i might have fixed the sub issue

I'm currently using 1.4.0RC6 but 1.4.3 should work fine....

[jarthel]

some questions: :)

1. how do I enabled that "batchcce" option under encoder
2. When I recreated the .avs and .d2v, it also created .scp and . scn file for me.When I clicked the .scn file, scenarist opened and it immediately created the .vob files. I was looking at the information window and I didn't see scenarist process any of the subtitle .bmp files. When I played the resulting dvd in ifoedit, the subs are not showing. any ideas?

Thank you :)

[D3s7]

You need to do a full install of batchccews using the installer not just use the .exe (installer is now on sourceforge)

Regarding the subs, read the last 5-8 posts

[jarthel]

thank for the reply. :)

[FreaQ]

Hi D3s7,

don't know what you were fixing with the subtitle problem, but it still does not work.

Last weekend I did a clean installation of my WinXPSP2. I installed ScenAid 1.0.7.0 copied over the 1.0.7.7 exe and started the programme. The first thing I noticed: ScenAid does not recognize muxman 0.15k. So I had to install Scenarist 2.7.
Now I did some DVDs and after importing in Scenarist there are no subs. When I check the scp-file there are no subs in it just some dummies.

Item=Sub-Picture
{
Place Holder=No
Name=VTS1_P1_20_1
Resolution=PAL
Drop Type=Non-drop frame
Data Start Time=00:00:00;00
Data End Time=00:00:00;02
File=F:\DVD\ScenAid\Dummy\dummy-VTS1_P1_20.jpg
Width=720
Height=574
Is Encoded=Yes
And that for every single Subtitletrack.
The subs are correctly demuxed by Dif4U 1.4.7 but ScenAid just don't catch them. And no, I did not disable the Importing for Subpictures.
And then there is the muxman problem. ScenAid does not recognize the muxman.exe in its folder.

[D3s7]

Enable the debug logging (under other options) and rescan - then send me your .log

what version of muxman do you have installed and re you sure it's named MuxMan.exe

[FreaQ]

The Version of MuxMan is 0.15k
And yes it is named: MuxMan.exe

Mail is out.

[D3s7]

well your subtitles aren't found because your using an older version of vsrip / vsconv (usually caused by installing doitfast4u after installing scenaid)

you can copy the vsrip / vsconv from the scenaid install directory into the doitfast4u directory and re-ripping your movie - this will fix the subtitle issue


as for why it's not letting you select muxman, that i'm not sure on. - is the option itself grayed out?

[FreaQ]

well your subtitles aren't found because your using an older version of vsrip / vsconv (usually caused by installing doitfast4u after installing scenaid)

you can copy the vsrip / vsconv from the scenaid install directory into the doitfast4u directory and re-ripping your movie - this will fix the subtitle issue
Doh!
Maybe I should switch back to Homer as userpicture.
Worked so long with new Big3, did not remeber this issue.
Sorry for the trouble.
:thanks:


as for why it's not letting you select muxman, that i'm not sure on. - is the option itself grayed out?
No it is not. But there is no mark when I select it.
I have tried s.th.
I selected Muxman and let ScenAid generate new Scripts. It generated a muxman script.
Then I did the full automation mode and ScenAid did start muxman for authoring.
So ScenAid finds muxman.exe but does not mark it as selected authoring option. :confused:
After re-opening ScenAid MuxMan is marked. Thats strange but working.

So another false alarm.

Sorry for wasting your time.

[D3s7]

NP... things like that happen.... I need to somehow add the ability to check for what version of vsrip was used to get rid of the first issue...

I'll check the options to see why it didn't auto-launch muxman. If it generated the .mxp then it knew muxman was the selected option but didn't finish it.

[FreaQ]

I'll check the options to see why it didn't auto-launch muxman. If it generated the .mxp then it knew muxman was the selected option but didn't finish it.
No need to look.
When I selected Muxman with Automation Mode everything worked fine.
ScenAid did not mark MuxMan as selected until I reopened ScenAid.

[TJeR]

Hi there

I was wondering if scenaid will ever support different bitrate for each PGC, this will be really appreciated....

[D3s7]

It's a possiblity however would require some heavy changes to the bitrate calculation routine.

Averaged bitrates for the main may happen soon...

[Tobii]

short question ...

Why doesn't scenaid recognize any available dts audiostream at a seamless branching disc?
The ac3 audiostreams are found, but the dts audiostream is always ignored.

Possible bug or my fault? :(


Edit: found and corrected...scenaid accepts the dts audiostream (no bug in scenaid)

[d0ORk]

Would be cool if one could choose some VTS as Main and not only one.
And it would be great if it would be possible to enter the dvd size manually.

Or is there a way to do this? esp. the size

Thanks a lot for the tool!

[rmtaibo]

After 1 year of use Big3 tools, the only software I couldn't update is Scenaid.
I'm still using old 1.0.0.0 version...
Why?
Is the only version that works very well with PAL-->NTSC conversions
A D3s7's lucky strike with this old version?
Can D3s7 review why 1.0.0.0 (final) version works fine with PAL-->NTSC conversions and newer ones can't?
Would be nice to support this feature, that was working fine in this old but good version

[D3s7]

Scenaid really doesn't support any format conversions so I can't really say how 1.0 is better for this over newer versions

How do you mean it works better? What doesn't work with the newer versions?

I've looked into format conversion however, unlike menus there is too many variables involved unless I force every vts to be converted which is a little late after Doitfast4u has done it's job

[rmtaibo]

Scenaid really doesn't support any format conversions so I can't really say how 1.0 is better for this over newer versions

How do you mean it works better? What doesn't work with the newer versions?

I've looked into format conversion however, unlike menus there is too many variables involved unless I force every vts to be converted which is a little late after Doitfast4u has done it's job

The error gave me is invalid bitrate. And Scenarist hangs when read the script

[D3s7]

what gives you invalid bitrate?

Could be the fact that 1.0 used a common setting in the script for bitrate of assets... 1.5+ uses the actual bitrate used during the scan.... which would be enough to mess up the imports

[rmtaibo]

if you want, try to do a smal PAL--> NTSC conversion with both Scenaid versions (1.0.0.0 final and latest)
With 1.0.0.0 you will get video file size and duration has changed message and with later versions will get a fatal error in Scenarist.

With 1.0.0.0 you can continue and finish Scenarist job manually. only need to do a batch job to crop subtitles before.

[rmtaibo]

what gives you invalid bitrate?

Could be the fact that 1.0 used a common setting in the script for bitrate of assets... 1.5+ uses the actual bitrate used during the scan.... which would be enough to mess up the imports

I think that's the problem.
The scripts show a high bitrate, and instead of expected 720x480 gives me a 480x???? very high vertical resolution...
Can't remember exactly, Couple of months that I did my latest attempt...

But the fact is that PAL --> NTSC is possible with BIG3 tools. I made more than 200 DVD format conversions, but the problem is that some DVDs with "advanced/complicated" IFO structures are not supported by old Scenaid 1.0.0.0 version. For example, it was impossible for me to do a 1:1 PAL--> NTSC conversion of Bridget Jones 2, the Edge of reason. Maybe due to a quizz feature included in the disc and not supported for Scenaid 1.0.0.0 or another tool (maybe Scenarist too)

The secret of conversion is a good AVS script in DoitFast4U and NuMenu4U. And the perfect AVS script is found in the NuMenu4U AVS scripts available for menu conversion. You only need to know exactly the format of original Video (Pal interlaced or Pal progressive in my case) to get a good NTSC video results.

For example, I did today a conversion of DVD Bonus included in the U2 album "H.2.D.A.A.B" from original PAL format and the resulting NTSC disc worked perfect this night in my standalone player...

UPDATE: The video resolution problem had nothing to do with Scenaid. Was due to a bad AVS plug-in installation...

[influenza]

thanks for the update.

You might wanna consider using muxman instead of scenarist. Much cheaper and much faster + less bitchy.

[rmtaibo]

I'm considering that...
Somebody has tryied successfully PAL-->NTSC conversions with Big3 and Muxman?
Or maybe Am I to be the first one to test?

[influenza]

Muxman is just an authoring app. If the script fed to it is correct it will mux just fine. That doesn't have anything to do with standard conversions.