Scenaid 1.7.0.6 (with VIP mode)

[D3s7]

Scenaid 1.7 has now been released with the following:

Fix:
Error 13 in GenerateTrack
Fix causing redundant names in the Scenarist Script
Fix causing Error 6 in ProcessAssets
Error 5 in BuildChapterLayout corrected

Additons:
VIP Mode (A donation of $15.00 or more will get you added to the VIP list - or if you feel you in the past have added to the development of Scenaid, feel free to email me and if I agree you will be added)

Muxman Script generation (VIP) - full support for muxman 15 or later
Muxman SUP support (VIP) - creation of .SUP files from the original subtitles allowing for exact reproduction of subtitles
Muxman Automation (VIP) - full automation now functions in Muxman mode including IFOUpdate routines (BatchIfoUpdate is no longer required) and Sector check

Changes:
Ability to force dummy of audio in a vip demux has been improved
Audio dummy checks have been improved which should avoid issues with odd named files/directories
IFO Parsing routine updated to allow for scripting of pre/post commands even in dummy PGC's (no PG's)
IFO Parsing routine updated to allow for poorly authored IFO's with improper information in the tables


More changes to come

current VIP users, your VIP code will be coming shortly

[Darklistener]

Hi
Nice new release :)
Is BatchIfoUpdate also not required if I use Scenarist?

[Zeul]

Congrats on another nice release

[D3s7]

BatchIfoUPdate is still required if you use Scenarist..

I'll probably add that feature to the Scenarist side as well but it will need more options to

[StoneRoses]

Does scenaid.com website down?

I can't download the latest version, does it have any mirror?

[jel]

its working for me ...
try http://www.sceneaid.com/index.php
and if you still have no luck, pm me your email address and i will send you a copy
cheers
j

[buzzqw]

At time of this post the site is UP

BHH

[StoneRoses]

So, it looks like my ISP screw things up.
Thanks.

[D3s7]

v 1.7.0.1 (exe only) has been posted the website which resolves the following:

* Updated framecounter.exe to allow for more accurate counting of no-cce files
* Correction in the Scenarist .SCP for pre/post/cell naming
* Removal of support for BatchEncodeM2V (per request from the author - please use latest BatchCCEWS alpha/beta instead)
* Correction in the Scenaid-ccedata.txt file to accuratly reflect angle assets to BatchCCEWS

[Pike007]

How am I suppose to give you guys a decent review of any problems when you keep updating your programs? :D

Damn, have to start all over again... :)

[D3s7]

we can leave them broke if you'd prefer :)

[Tobii]

Congratulations, nice work :)


But I have noticed the following...


ScenAid 1.7.0.0 (scenaid - ccedata.txt)

;Version 1.0.1.6
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__02_P01.I-TFF.16~9_1.AVS,0,9576,3000,0,4,30,16,0,79245,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,2976,14916,33364,48316,61792
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__04_P01.I-TFF.16~9_1.AVS,0,9160,3141,0,4,30,16,0,140109,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,4299,10916,17770,24374,30491,35396,42551,45862,46998,53053,57311,62441,69037,75895,79622,86534,94116,99493,105257,110741,115341,123047,126925,128953
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__05_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS,0,9576,3000,0,4,30,16,0,19471,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__06_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS,0,9576,3000,0,4,30,16,0,2764,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__07_V001.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS,0,9352,3000,0,4,30,16,0,7430,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,3808,5663

ScenAid 1.7.0.1 (scenaid - ccedata.txt)

;Version 1.0.1.6
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__02_P01.I-TFF.16~9_1.AVS,0,-224,3000,0,4,30,16,0,79245,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,2976,14916,33364,48316,61792
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__04_P01.I-TFF.16~9_1.AVS,0,-640,3141,0,4,30,16,0,140109,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,4299,10916,17770,24374,30491,35396,42551,45862,46998,53053,57311,62441,69037,75895,79622,86534,94116,99493,105257,110741,115341,123047,126925,128953
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__05_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS,0,-224,3000,0,4,30,16,0,19471,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__06_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS,0,-224,3000,0,4,30,16,0,2764,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0
0,F:\DoItFast4U_Output\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__07_V001.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS,0,-448,3000,0,4,30,16,0,7430,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,0,3808,5663

I have for comparison purposes used a couple of other DVDs once again.
No correct scenaid - ccedata.txt is generated with the version 1.7.0.1.

Can you confirm it?

[Zeul]

Looks like the figure being passed is the reduction factor from the max size (9800)
Sorry D3s7, never noticed that in my test

[Pike007]

I'm getting the same results as Tobii also.

[D3s7]

Tobii, Pike
chck your mailbox.. new build to test.. please let me know if it fixes it so I can upload

Thanks

[Pike007]

In my case, the max bitrate is fixed now.

[Tobii]

1) I can confirm it, it is fixed now.

2) You can upload.

3) Thanks!

[D3s7]

Thanks guys

1.7.0.2 is now on the website

[Pike007]

Okay, some more testing...

I have these 3 audio tracks in a Vobid Demux:

1)English-80
2)French-81
3)English-82

When I uncheck the 2nd track (french) in DIFU, and import this into Scenaid (1.7.0.2), it apparently imports track 1 properly, leaves 1 line empty, and then imports the 3rd audio track (This is when I'm checking the audio tracks preview window right under the video preview area). This only happened when I did a Vobid Demux using DIFU 1.4.7.0

A "Dummy" audio track is not being created when it is compiled in either Scenarist or Muxman. In this case, the audio is imported into scenarist as:

1)English-80
2)English-82

I tried 2 different movies with Vobid Demux and this occured for both. I tried a pgc demux on one of these movies (just for a test) and it did insert a "Dummy" audio track for the french stream 81. Maybe someone else could do a vobid demux to verify this as well?

I have some questions as well which I hope someone could answer:

-In the Audio options area under Add Silence to Vobid demux and pgc demux, I should always leave these checked, right? Is there any time they should not be checked?

-I use DIFU 1.4.7.0 with Dvd2avidg and I wanted to know if Scenaid's DgIndex should be used instead.

-I've been having a problem with "King Arthur" at the Muxman stage during a pgc Demux. I would keep getting an error "Video_TS.ifo could not be... error during mux" or something similar on a pgc demux. When I did a Vobid demux and using Muxman again, it worked ok. I'm guessing Muxman failed because I didn't choose the right demux. Is this a possible scenario?

I'm not sure how to copy and paste the ifo in ifoedit otherwise I'd post it as sometimes I have a hard time telling if a DVD should be Vobid or pgc demux. It would be nice if this was somehow automatic (I guess this would be a DIFU thing and the whole process may not be possible at all)

Thanks D3s7

[D3s7]

by default, there is no audio "dummied" in a vobid demux.. this is by design as you could get errors (with scenarist at least) if you try... there is an option to "force" audio dummy in a vobid demux under the "Audio options"

to answer your other questions:

1) That option isn't needed really at all for PGC demux (i've only saw it one time where it was) and isn't needed for muxman at all... this is really a scenarist only thing

2) DGIndex is actually just a newer version of DVD2AVI (dg) which more accuratly decodes the frames and can result in a more accurate frame count initially - if the movie has angles or is demuxed by vobid, i recommend it

3) Doubtful that demux type was the issue... if you run into that problemk, it means muxman failed for some reason.. in which case send me the .mxp file and the muxman.log which should be in the Scenaid directory under your demux directory

[jel]

okay, well ... i am sure d3s7 will chime in with anything i have missed (or gotten wrong for that matter :D)

generally, you cannot dummy audio for a vobid demux as as it prevents seamless connections between vobids.
there is an option in scenaid to do this but to be honest i never asked d3s7 exactly what this function does .. :rolleyes:
anyway, from what i can tell, the muxman approach is what i have used in the past to remove audio streams from a vobid demux, modifying the .ifos after the update step to assign the audio streams correctly.

'add silence ...' to vobid demux, imo, should always be checked, as it allows seamless connections between vobids ... adding silence to pgc demux is not usually necessary but apart from th eadditional time taken to perform this step, it certainly wouldnt cause any harm ...

personally i would always use DGIndex, particularly with vobid demux as it fixes many issues concerned with frame loss etc.

dif4u *should* always select vobid demux WHEN required.

as for posting the .ifo, i explain how here:
link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=689833#post689833)

hth
j

edit:/ damn dest ... you type too fast :)

[LeXXuz]

So, it looks like my ISP screw things up.
Thanks.

Same problem here. Can somebody post the ip of www.scenaid.com please ?

[D3s7]

my hoster just called and mentioned the box was down this morning.. should be back up now

[LeXXuz]

my hoster just called and mentioned the box was down this morning.. should be back up now

Yeah. Now it works. :)

[Pike007]

@ D3s7 and jel

:thanks: for the replies, that really helps!

edit: D3s7, I just sent you the Muxman log and .mxp files as I'm still getting that error. Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks

[onebyside]

Procedure Name: FindBitrates
Module Name: Bitrates

Error Number: 6
Error Description: Overflow
Error Source: ScenAid
Error Line: 111
Call Stack:



seeing this error

[jlobee]

I was wondering if you would include the sceniad.chm file in future releases which describe some of the options, because currently theres a start menu link for ScenAid Help File, but the file itself doesnt exist. I'm using 1.7.0.2.

[Oruku Saki]

Using MuxMan 1.5i or 1.6ph in ScenAid 1.7.0.2 with options:

MuxMan
Use SUP files
MuxMan automation
Auto update IFO / move menu files

Causes the resulting DVD size to not be dividable by 2048 ... Nero throws a warning and the DVD isnt recognized by my player.

When turning off the Auto update IFO / move menu files option, and using BatchIFOUpdate instead, the resulting file size is ok, no warning from Nero, and the DVD plays fine

[D3s7]

i need to see the ifo's then... the scenaid updated ones, original ones and the batchupdated ones

[Pike007]

I've also had problems with the burned DVD playing on my system. The DVD plays fine with ifoedit or powerdvd on my computer without any problems but as soon as I put it in my standalone player, it would freeze at the beginning or just not play. I would get an error stating "This disc cannot be played, please check the disc".

After reading Oruku Saki's post :) I tried disabling the "auto update IFO" under muxman and did it manually with Batchifoupdate. The DVD now plays on my standalone.

Before this test I tried the same assets from the DVD with Muxman and Scenarist and Muxman method would not produce a working DVD whereas Scenarist did. This makes sense as "auto update ifo" is not used with Scenarist. I never thought of disabling the "autoupdate ifo" and manually using batchifoupdate. I've actually tried quite a few DVD's and none of them would play on my standalone but played fine on my computer :confused: . I never noticed a post about a non-playable DVD, so I've been racking my brain re-testing all combinations or different movies as I figured there must be something wrong with my files. I will test some more without auto update ifo on. I think this is something you should look at D3s7 as it fixed my problem.

D3s7, I sent some files to you last week about Muxman not muxing any files on one DVD and I'm not sure you received them. Please let me know if you didn't get them. Thanks

[D3s7]

Pike : don't think i did get them... mail was on the fritz here last week a bit (sorry)

anyone who'se having problems w/ the auto muxman update routine, I need to see the ifo's from the autoupdate as well as batchifoupdates (and the original which would be the .bak from batchifo or in the Scenaid/IFOBak dir from automated)

[Pike007]

D3s7, I will send all the files later on today. (gotta do the "working for a living" thing :rolleyes: )

Thanks

[Pike007]

Just sent the files to you D3s7. Let me know if you didn't receive them.

[Pike007]

I'm testing the new build from scratch and will let you know how it went

[D3s7]

1.7.4 has been released.. so sum up changes... here is the changes since 1.7.0

1.7.0.1
Fix / Change
Updated framecounter.exe to allow for more accurate counting of no-cce files
Correction in the Scenarist .SCP for pre/post/cell naming
Removal of support for BatchEncodeM2V (per request from the author - please use latest BatchCCEWS alpha/beta instead)
Correction in the Scenaid-ccedata.txt file to accuratly reflect angle assets to BatchCCEWS
1.7.0.2
Fix
Adjusted Scene allocation routines to allow for VOBID/CELLID reuse in same PGC
Corrected Bitrate max settings in CCEData generation
1.7.0.3
Fix
Correction to the Scenarist Sub assignments
1.7.0.4
Fix
Fix in IFO update route causing none 2048 sector sizes (and playback issues on standalones)

[Tobii]

Thanks for the new release.

I don't dare to ask already any more... but I have seen an error message in scenaid if the muxman script is prepared.


** Couldn't find proper muxman command for Commands : JumpVTS_PTT ptt_1 @ vts_ttn_11
** Couldn't find proper muxman command for Commands : JumpVTS_PTT ptt_1 @ vts_ttn_10


I have looked at the ScenAid.log and something is mixed up, if I compare it with the original commands.

If you have a little time...would you like to look at the relevant files?

[D3s7]

Yep... if I could get the IFO and muxman.mxp and scenaid.log I can see what's going on

[Tobii]

I always get a message of her provider...the mail cannot be delivered. :(
Can I append it here? Or do you still have a second mail address?

[D3s7]

I need to fix that... it's just forwarding to gmail.. i got the message though so we're set.. I'll look at those files when I get a second...

EDIT:
Ok... think i found the problem.. check your mail for new build to test
Let me know how it works

[Pike007]

D3s7,
I've tried 3 different DVD's (all in a row) and all 3 show the "shifted menu buttons" for my menus. I'm using Muxman 0.16 ph. I noticed that these downloads were taken out of the downloads section at mpucoder's site. I will try the same movie again with latest 0.15 version.

Is version 15 the most stable and should this be used (even if a ver 16 is available)?

[D3s7]

latest 15 is what's been tested... i really haven't tried the 16 builds..

If your bored and want to test (hint hint) - try not using .sup - instead use the sst/bmp's

[Pike007]

ok,
can-do :D

[Pike007]

D3s7, i just sent some files for you to check out.
Thanks

[jlobee]

Is there anyway to to tell scenaid 1.7.0.4 which assets to calcualte as MAIN and which as EXTRA.

There is a drop down main, but it does not allow you to set certain assets as MAIN or EXTRA, like in DIF4U.

And also does scenaid just use the biggest asset as the MAIN and the rest as EXTRA?


Thanks

[jel]

at present, scenaid simply selects the largest asset as the main.

if you manually select an asset as a main, all other assets will default to extras.

so, no at this time, you cannot use scenaid to select multiple mains for bitrate calcs, although i believe d3s7 is planning to implement this.

[D3s7]

1.7.5 has been posted
this build corrects an error in the VIP Ifoupdate routine which copied VIDEO properties into the MENU tables

(more then likely the "shifted" menu issue

[MadmanZ]

Great release m8... will try this babe out first thing tomorrow... last release worked quite nice for me although... might have been lucky, but.. hehe.. ;)

[Pike007]

New build (1.7.0.5) has corrected my issue with "shifted menu buttons".
Thanks, D3s7

@MadmanZ

Whoa!
Almost 4 years before your first post!, now that's just plain amazing! :)

[MadmanZ]

@Pike007

Yeah, have been a bit quite i guess.. but the lack of an internet connection
has also contributed to the lack of written text ;)
Well now I'm back on track.. time to get busy trying out software etc.

[influenza]

Almost 4 years before your first post!, now that's just plain amazing!

Hehe you are aware thjat the waiting period is only a couple of days, are you?
:D

[Master Yoda]

I was wondering why is the max bitrate that scanaid gives seems quite low. Im backing up cursed, i have removed the 2 foreign for 5.1 tracks and kept the 6 sub tracks and the max is 8968 were as the dif4u max is 9352. Its just on the movie after backing it up i checked in the bit allocation and on two parts at the beginning the background colour is gray rather than green as the bitrate at that part jumps up to the max, its only the B frames that go over 10 though.Although i dont think going to 9352 would max a difference on that scene.

[D3s7]

I'd have to see the log file and the ccedata file but Audio and/or angles effect max bitrate.

Doitfast4u doesn't take angles into account for max bitrate

[influenza]

For me they are exactly the same.

[D3s7]

same values or same issue?

[influenza]

hehe, sorry: same values, so correct. :)

[Master Yoda]

nope, no angles. Just one 5.1 track, two removed 5.1 tracks which are now dummyed and 6 sub tracks. Or do the subs or dummys take away a bit from the max. I see what happens, the dummy audios bitrate gets taken into acount. I guess dif4u does'nt do this.

dif4u 9800-448 = 9352
scenaid 9800-448-192-192 = 8968

@Influenza... same film Cursed?

Got another problem, the script scenaid created has'nt imported the subs but instead its put dummys in there place. Scenaid version 1.7.0.5.

[D3s7]

you using scenarist?

shoot me your email.. i have a potential fix for the sub issue.. but need a scenarist user to test (works for me)

[Master Yoda]

yeah Scenarist 2.6.

I've pm'ed u my email address.

[influenza]

@Influenza... same film Cursed?

No, but I doubt it would be title related.

But if this is a scenaid bug there's an easy workaround of course: tell scenaid to use the dif4u values (assuming you didn't play around with the bitrates in scenaid). I'm using the dif4u values btw, since they seem to be a bit less than scenaid's. Just to avoid oversized discs.

[Master Yoda]

No sign of D3s7 for a while, guessing he's busy. Still waiting on that sub fix.

[D3s7]

Yeah sorry.. i'm here....

Works been flooded then had a family emerg..

Lemme send you that file tonight

[Master Yoda]

OK, fair enough family always comes first.

But send it to my yahoo address if you will instead of my hotmail one.I'll send you another pm with my yahoo one.

By the way was wondering, seen as the bitrate caculations of scenaid take into acount the dummy files bitrate would it be possible to have the dummy tracks with a lower bitrate than 192, think the dvd spec can go down to 32. Would give a higher max. Or can i just change the dummy that scenaid use's myself?

OK ive re-installed scenaid fresh, replaced the ex with the new one you sent, i have the latest dgindex.Ive started the project fresh, i have demux run scenaid and generated the script, but i dont think its going to import any subs as theres the same amount of dummy subs in the dummy folder as there was before with the previous version.

[D3s7]

Scenaid 1.7.0.6 is now on the website
This includes a fix for subtitles under scenarist

[Chubmeister]

Sorry, haven't looked to see if this has happened before...

DOITF4U (1.4.7.0) extracted some ac3 files that had underscores in them thus:

VTS__01_P08-81-192K-[-128]ms(fixed)-ch2English_-_Directors_Comments.AC3

VTS__01_P08-83-192K-[-128]ms(fixed)-ch2English_-_Alternate_Directors_Comments.AC3

There were others but you get the gist, interestingly the P08_80 file did not have the underscores, nor did any of the other VTS sets.

I assume this is unusual because scenaid (1.7.0.6) failed on import as it was looking for files without the underscores.

Of course the fix was simple, I just edited the scenarist script and it imported and compiled fine.

The dvd was 'The Girl Next Door'

Is this a new one?

Chubmeister

[jel]

hey chubmeister,

unfortuntely this is not a new one ... it also happens with apostrophe's eg : XXX_Director's_Comments v's XXX_Directors_Comments.

to be honest, i was going to remind d3s7 of this the other day as it happened with yet another movie i was working on.

for now though, i use the same fix that you do.

cheers
j

[ercofra]

If I do a fresh install with Scenaid 1.7.0.6 with VIP mode and MuxMan, Scenaid always ask to me where is Scenarist(I don't have it installed) and even if I select MuxMan in the authoring options with "Save settings on exist" selected, Scenaid still ask to me where is Scenarist everytime I load it; I have to re-select all the settings, not only for the authoring part, but even for all the other options.

[Tobii]

No more subtitles are imported in the Scenarist 3.0!

For me looks as if this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=98815) problem was shifted on the combination ScenAid 1.7.0.6 + Scenarist 3.0.


Regards, T.

[Pike007]

Tobii,

I only just noticed this as well but found out 1.7.5 and 1.7.6 don't import subs but 1.7.4 does. I tested with the same settings and same assets for all of the Scenaid builds. If you have 1.7.4 could you confirm?

I was using Scenarist 2.6.

[Tobii]

Pike007,

No, I have the problem only with the build 1.7.0.6.
If I see in the script...something is so missing there.

Results with older builds...

ScenAid 1.7.0.4 + Scenarist 3.0 = all subtitles are imported, no problems
ScenAid 1.7.0.5 + Scenarist 3.0 = all subtitles are imported, no problems

I could make way on muxman but this doesn't solve this problem with scenarist!

[Pike007]

Ok, I thought that I could save you some time if you could confirm this.

Hmmm, I wonder why I don't see any subs with Scenarist for these Scenaid builds? I'll have to do some more testing to see if it's just this DVD or something else. Thanks for letting me know.

[Pike007]

I was mistaken about 1.7.5
It does import subs but I definitely can't get 1.7.6 to import at all. It seems to skip the subtitle processing at the end of the script and goes directly to Scenarist (using 1 click method)

[D3s7]

Grr.. thought I fixed that.... <sigh>

can you guys tell me what your settings are and I'll see if I can reproduce it here

(back from vacation as you can see)

[Tobii]

Nice to see that you are back. My ScenAid settings are always the same (nothing changes)

Options
(x) Save Settings On Exit
(x) Create new D2V/AVS with Decode

Authoring Options
Scenarist --- (x) Use Scenarist 3.0

Sub Handling
(x) Use Original Palette

Advanced Subtitle Options
(x) Remove Stop from "No Stop" BMPs
(x) Adjust start time to Scene time when less then min value
(x) Minimum Distance (in frame) ---> Default

Audio Handling
(x) Add Silence to PGC Demux
(x) Add Silence to VOBID Demux

Encoder Options
(x) Open Encoder Automatically
(x) Batch CCE

Other Options
(x) Enable Right Click
(x) Debug Logging



BTW...What hides behind the setting "Format Options"?
Hasn't been eligible with me always.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9459/scenaidscreenshot5st.png


Regards, T.

[D3s7]

I think i've found the problem just have to test it....

Format Options is something in the works which will include Half D1 options and maybe format conversion

[Tobii]

I look forwards to the next final release. :)

Format Options is something in the works which will include Half D1 options and maybe format conversion
This sounds very good and is primarily very helpful to the future. Thanks for the information.


Regards, T.

[Pike007]

Also glad to see your back :)

My settings are pretty much the same as Tobii except for the following I have checked:

-Generate Script after Scan (one click run)
-Scenarist 2.6
-Enable Bov
-Start encode on import

-I have nothing checked under "Other options"

D3s7, Im curently using DgDecode 1.4.3 and would like to know what version is recommended. Do you have any preference?

The issue for me is that using the same assets created by Scenaid, I can import subs with builds 1.7.5 and below. If I use 1.7.6 there are no subs imported.

[D3s7]

Ok.. think i might have fixed the sub issue

I'm currently using 1.4.0RC6 but 1.4.3 should work fine....

[jarthel]

some questions: :)

1. how do I enabled that "batchcce" option under encoder
2. When I recreated the .avs and .d2v, it also created .scp and . scn file for me.When I clicked the .scn file, scenarist opened and it immediately created the .vob files. I was looking at the information window and I didn't see scenarist process any of the subtitle .bmp files. When I played the resulting dvd in ifoedit, the subs are not showing. any ideas?

Thank you :)

[D3s7]

You need to do a full install of batchccews using the installer not just use the .exe (installer is now on sourceforge)

Regarding the subs, read the last 5-8 posts

[jarthel]

thank for the reply. :)

[FreaQ]

Hi D3s7,

don't know what you were fixing with the subtitle problem, but it still does not work.

Last weekend I did a clean installation of my WinXPSP2. I installed ScenAid 1.0.7.0 copied over the 1.0.7.7 exe and started the programme. The first thing I noticed: ScenAid does not recognize muxman 0.15k. So I had to install Scenarist 2.7.
Now I did some DVDs and after importing in Scenarist there are no subs. When I check the scp-file there are no subs in it just some dummies.

Item=Sub-Picture
{
Place Holder=No
Name=VTS1_P1_20_1
Resolution=PAL
Drop Type=Non-drop frame
Data Start Time=00:00:00;00
Data End Time=00:00:00;02
File=F:\DVD\ScenAid\Dummy\dummy-VTS1_P1_20.jpg
Width=720
Height=574
Is Encoded=Yes
And that for every single Subtitletrack.
The subs are correctly demuxed by Dif4U 1.4.7 but ScenAid just don't catch them. And no, I did not disable the Importing for Subpictures.
And then there is the muxman problem. ScenAid does not recognize the muxman.exe in its folder.

[D3s7]

Enable the debug logging (under other options) and rescan - then send me your .log

what version of muxman do you have installed and re you sure it's named MuxMan.exe

[FreaQ]

The Version of MuxMan is 0.15k
And yes it is named: MuxMan.exe

Mail is out.

[D3s7]

well your subtitles aren't found because your using an older version of vsrip / vsconv (usually caused by installing doitfast4u after installing scenaid)

you can copy the vsrip / vsconv from the scenaid install directory into the doitfast4u directory and re-ripping your movie - this will fix the subtitle issue


as for why it's not letting you select muxman, that i'm not sure on. - is the option itself grayed out?

[FreaQ]

well your subtitles aren't found because your using an older version of vsrip / vsconv (usually caused by installing doitfast4u after installing scenaid)

you can copy the vsrip / vsconv from the scenaid install directory into the doitfast4u directory and re-ripping your movie - this will fix the subtitle issue
Doh!
Maybe I should switch back to Homer as userpicture.
Worked so long with new Big3, did not remeber this issue.
Sorry for the trouble.
:thanks:


as for why it's not letting you select muxman, that i'm not sure on. - is the option itself grayed out?
No it is not. But there is no mark when I select it.
I have tried s.th.
I selected Muxman and let ScenAid generate new Scripts. It generated a muxman script.
Then I did the full automation mode and ScenAid did start muxman for authoring.
So ScenAid finds muxman.exe but does not mark it as selected authoring option. :confused:
After re-opening ScenAid MuxMan is marked. Thats strange but working.

So another false alarm.

Sorry for wasting your time.

[D3s7]

NP... things like that happen.... I need to somehow add the ability to check for what version of vsrip was used to get rid of the first issue...

I'll check the options to see why it didn't auto-launch muxman. If it generated the .mxp then it knew muxman was the selected option but didn't finish it.

[FreaQ]

I'll check the options to see why it didn't auto-launch muxman. If it generated the .mxp then it knew muxman was the selected option but didn't finish it.
No need to look.
When I selected Muxman with Automation Mode everything worked fine.
ScenAid did not mark MuxMan as selected until I reopened ScenAid.

[TJeR]

Hi there

I was wondering if scenaid will ever support different bitrate for each PGC, this will be really appreciated....

[D3s7]

It's a possiblity however would require some heavy changes to the bitrate calculation routine.

Averaged bitrates for the main may happen soon...

[Tobii]

short question ...

Why doesn't scenaid recognize any available dts audiostream at a seamless branching disc?
The ac3 audiostreams are found, but the dts audiostream is always ignored.

Possible bug or my fault? :(


Edit: found and corrected...scenaid accepts the dts audiostream (no bug in scenaid)

[d0ORk]

Would be cool if one could choose some VTS as Main and not only one.
And it would be great if it would be possible to enter the dvd size manually.

Or is there a way to do this? esp. the size

Thanks a lot for the tool!

[rmtaibo]

After 1 year of use Big3 tools, the only software I couldn't update is Scenaid.
I'm still using old 1.0.0.0 version...
Why?
Is the only version that works very well with PAL-->NTSC conversions
A D3s7's lucky strike with this old version?
Can D3s7 review why 1.0.0.0 (final) version works fine with PAL-->NTSC conversions and newer ones can't?
Would be nice to support this feature, that was working fine in this old but good version

[D3s7]

Scenaid really doesn't support any format conversions so I can't really say how 1.0 is better for this over newer versions

How do you mean it works better? What doesn't work with the newer versions?

I've looked into format conversion however, unlike menus there is too many variables involved unless I force every vts to be converted which is a little late after Doitfast4u has done it's job

[rmtaibo]

Scenaid really doesn't support any format conversions so I can't really say how 1.0 is better for this over newer versions

How do you mean it works better? What doesn't work with the newer versions?

I've looked into format conversion however, unlike menus there is too many variables involved unless I force every vts to be converted which is a little late after Doitfast4u has done it's job

The error gave me is invalid bitrate. And Scenarist hangs when read the script

[D3s7]

what gives you invalid bitrate?

Could be the fact that 1.0 used a common setting in the script for bitrate of assets... 1.5+ uses the actual bitrate used during the scan.... which would be enough to mess up the imports

[rmtaibo]

if you want, try to do a smal PAL--> NTSC conversion with both Scenaid versions (1.0.0.0 final and latest)
With 1.0.0.0 you will get video file size and duration has changed message and with later versions will get a fatal error in Scenarist.

With 1.0.0.0 you can continue and finish Scenarist job manually. only need to do a batch job to crop subtitles before.

[rmtaibo]

what gives you invalid bitrate?

Could be the fact that 1.0 used a common setting in the script for bitrate of assets... 1.5+ uses the actual bitrate used during the scan.... which would be enough to mess up the imports

I think that's the problem.
The scripts show a high bitrate, and instead of expected 720x480 gives me a 480x???? very high vertical resolution...
Can't remember exactly, Couple of months that I did my latest attempt...

But the fact is that PAL --> NTSC is possible with BIG3 tools. I made more than 200 DVD format conversions, but the problem is that some DVDs with "advanced/complicated" IFO structures are not supported by old Scenaid 1.0.0.0 version. For example, it was impossible for me to do a 1:1 PAL--> NTSC conversion of Bridget Jones 2, the Edge of reason. Maybe due to a quizz feature included in the disc and not supported for Scenaid 1.0.0.0 or another tool (maybe Scenarist too)

The secret of conversion is a good AVS script in DoitFast4U and NuMenu4U. And the perfect AVS script is found in the NuMenu4U AVS scripts available for menu conversion. You only need to know exactly the format of original Video (Pal interlaced or Pal progressive in my case) to get a good NTSC video results.

For example, I did today a conversion of DVD Bonus included in the U2 album "H.2.D.A.A.B" from original PAL format and the resulting NTSC disc worked perfect this night in my standalone player...

UPDATE: The video resolution problem had nothing to do with Scenaid. Was due to a bad AVS plug-in installation...

[influenza]

thanks for the update.

You might wanna consider using muxman instead of scenarist. Much cheaper and much faster + less bitchy.

[rmtaibo]

I'm considering that...
Somebody has tryied successfully PAL-->NTSC conversions with Big3 and Muxman?
Or maybe Am I to be the first one to test?

[influenza]

Muxman is just an authoring app. If the script fed to it is correct it will mux just fine. That doesn't have anything to do with standard conversions.

[seewen]

I don't know if I'm dreaming, but it seems that Scenaid bitrate prevision doesn't takes Subtitles into account.

Is that right ?

Beccause usually movies with 1-2 subs fit perfectly (I'm using "safe-30"), but with ~6-10 subs it often 20-30Mo oversized (usually 4.38-4.40Go)
And I'm not keeping 10 differents languages. But on some DVD, even when I choose French+English subs, it represents 2 subs for FR (W/L), 2 for US (W/L), and some more for the differents commentaries.


(I use BatchCCEws + "use Scenaid settings")

[influenza]

I always keep all subs and there's no oversizing problem. Subs don't take much space anyway

[D3s7]

He is correct though and yes it can happen

I'm working on bitrate tweeks currently thanks to some improved overhead calcs. Subs are hard to calculate because there is no real formula for saying what size they will be when in rle form short of looking at the old .sub pack (which I may do)

[seewen]

Thanks for the answer.

I wasn't sure it comes from it, beccause like influenza said, it doesn't happend everytime.
It's like their were bigger subs than others.

[wmansir]

I just did my first Big3 project in well over a year because I needed IVTC (reinstalling everything but Scenarist) and after some tinkering it worked great. Scenaid worked flawlessly, except when I tried to hack the extra scripts to Half-D1, then it crashed immediately. I did that manually all the time back in the day, but I couldn't recall how exactly. Scenaid was also a very different beast back then, it's made a lot of progress.

I just wanted to say thanks for the program.

[Zeul]

@wmansir
nice to see you back in the club :D

[influenza]

@wmansir: I always hack my avs files outside of scenaid to achieve half-d1. If you do this you cannot use muxman though. Which is a shame, since muxman is so much faster then scenarist. A well you can't have it all (yet) :P

[mpucoder]

Tell me why MuxMan won't work, and maybe I can fix it.

[influenza]

Well it's because scenaid doesn't know that I encode my assets at half d1 and doesn't take that into account into the script. So when the script is fed to muxman it won't mux it because of the different display size. So I don't know if that's something you should look into.

[mpucoder]

The resolution in the script is only a preference, if there are no assets with that resolution the first video file sets the resolution.
Are these files mpeg-1? If so, there was a bug introduced at 0.12 that has just been fixed in 0.14h, 0.15L, and 0.16.2

[influenza]

Hmm I haven't done half-d1 for some time, but untill recently I always got errors (muxman didn't mux because of changed resolution). It's just mpeg2 at half d1 btw. I'll give it a try with the latest muxman and report back.

edit:
@d3s7, starnagely enough I don't have oversize problems on regular demuxes (by pgc) and I usually keep all subs (up to 20 in some cases, but ussually at least 5-10)

[wmansir]

Looks like I spoke a little too soon. The disc I'm doing is Scrubs S2 D1. It has 5 episodes with audio commentary on episodes 1,2 and 5. But on my backup the commentary from 5 is on episode 3. It think this is because the layout has 1 big playback PCG for "Play all" and then reuses VOBID for the individual episode PGCs. Of course DIF4U unchecked all the reused PCGs and demuxed the one big PCG. The demuxed 2nd audio contained only the commentary for the 3 episodes and that removed the gap in the second audio track where eps 3 and 4 were.

I'm going to try Demux by VOBid, that should fix this right?

Regarding half-D1: I manually edited the .avs files and Scenaid didn't crash util I clicked on the VTS's button. Perhaps it's the preview window?

I ended up just blanking out the feature and running that thru DVD-RB to half-D1 the extras then copying over the VTS set for the exras.

[FreaQ]

Half D1 didn't work for me either. Same problem as influenza discribed. Sad but true.

[wmansir]

I just realized I forgot to update to the latest executible after installing 1.7.0.0 full, so my previous error report may be outdated.

Also, FYI, I tried to use the "Scenaid Help File" shortcut that the full install routine put on my startmenu, but it didn't find the file.

[FreaQ]

Hi D3s7,

I don't know if you already know, but ScenAid 1.7.0.7 does not work with DGMPGDec 1.4.6.
If I use this combination ScenAid creates the new d2v-file but after creating this error message pops up
Procedure Name: ProcessAVS
Module Name: ProcessAssets

Error Number: 6
Error Description: Overflow
Error Source: ScenAid
Error Line: 90
Call Stack:

After closing the error window ScenAid processes as usual.
Building the scp-script and and new avs-script works fine. But the scenaid-ccedata.txt is empty. Just the version number in the first row.

Switching back to DGMPGDec 1.4.5 works fine.

[Trahald]

everytime neuron2 changes the params it means a possible rewrite of parsing routines. im sure d3s7 will include support when he can. thanks for the heads up however.

[D3s7]

Scenaid actually doesn't parse the files.. it just creates them.. although, it's possible that the DLL's aren't in the proper location or something... the error you are seeing I believe is from it trying to get the file info out of the new avs/d2v's

can you open the .avs in MP?

[D3s7]

it's also possible the CLI changed and the files aren't being created all the way

[FreaQ]

I did put dgdecode.dll and .exe into my ScenAid directory. Opening the created avs in MPC does not work. MPC crashes.
Opening the d2v works fine. It seems probarbly created.

I checked the logfiles and I think you were right with the CLI.
Have a look for yourself:

* Scanning for AVS Files and Processing
- Found Demux Method to be : P
- Checking Video File VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS
- Identified as Asset : 01
- Creating new D2V/AVS as requested
- Found original - running DGIndex
- CmdLine C:\Programme\ScenAid\dgindex.exe -IA=1 -Cs=2 -YR=1 -TN=1 -IF=[F:\ARMOUR_OF_GOD_SPLENDID\VTS01\VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.M2V] -DRC=0 -OF=[F:\armour_of_god_splendid\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1] -Exit
- dwLength/dwRate/dwScale : 154151/25000/1000
- Encoded Asset: F:\armour_of_god_splendid\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.mpv Does Not Exist
- Original Asset: F:\ARMOUR_OF_GOD_SPLENDID\VTS01\VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.M2V
- Original Length: 4005933826 - Bitrate: 5197
- Frames: 154151 - fps: 25
- Processing PGC Scenes
- Initial Scene Len : 12715
- Scene Key : 1_1_1
- Scene Key : 1_1_2
- Logging Scene - 12715-22158 to 0112
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 131990/10
- Scene Key : 1_1_3
- Logging Scene - 22159-30338 to 0113
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 123809/10
- Scene Key : 1_1_4
- Logging Scene - 30339-41046 to 0114
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 113100/10
- Scene Key : 1_1_5
- Logging Scene - 41047-49293 to 0115
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 104852/10
- Scene Key : 1_1_6
- Logging Scene - 49294-61769 to 0116
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 92375/10
- Scene Key : 1_1_7
- Logging Scene - 61770-69704 to 0117
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 84439/10
- Scene Key : 1_1_8
- Logging Scene - 69705-82448 to 0118
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 71694/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_1
- Logging Scene - 82449-82473 to 0121
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 71668/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_2
- Logging Scene - 82474-92700 to 0122
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 61440/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_3
- Logging Scene - 92701-102453 to 0123
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 51686/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_4
- Logging Scene - 102454-111121 to 0124
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 43017/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_5
- Logging Scene - 111122-122601 to 0125
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 31536/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_6
- Logging Scene - 122602-134312 to 0126
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 19824/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_7
- Logging Scene - 134313-142535 to 0127
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 11600/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_8
- Logging Scene - 142536-150649 to 0128
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin 3485/10
- Scene Key : 1_2_9
- Logging Scene - 150650-154149 to 0129
- RemainingFrames/RemainderMin -16/10

* Scanning for AVS Files and Processing
- Found Demux Method to be : P
- Checking Video File VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.AVS
- Identified as Asset : 01
- Creating new D2V/AVS as requested
- Found original - running DGIndex
- CmdLine C:\Programme\ScenAid\dgindex.exe -IA=1 -Cs=2 -YR=1 -TN=1 -IF=[F:\ARMOUR_OF_GOD_SPLENDID\VTS01\VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1.M2V] -DRC=0 -OF=[F:\armour_of_god_splendid\Scenaid\NewD2V\VTS__01_P01.I-TFF.4~3_1] -Exit
- dwLength/dwRate/dwScale : 154151/0/0

[D3s7]

I will see about updating the CLI to support the newer version.. I haven't yet seeing how soon DIF will support DGDecode although, a locked version.

Unfortunatly the CLI and .d2v format keeps changing making it difficult to keep up

[FreaQ]

If we have to stick with a particular version I would not mind.
I came into this because I had to re-install my PC. I took the newest versions of the needed programs. Thought I was clever. :)

Btw: When will be Dif4U 1.4.8 released? With DGDecode support?

[salkku]

@FreaQ

I dont know if its relevant, but try copying the vfapi plugin too, dgvfapi.vfp or so.

@d3s7

What is the changelog for scenaid 1.7.0.7? I fail to find it.

[Kurgan]

D3s7 - I'm looking to get VIP access to Scenaid. I think it's a great program man, well done. I donated via paypal a few days ago, and hadn't heard anything, so I figured I'd try a post - I can't wait to try it with muxman, as muxman helped with numenu4u tremendously. I'd be happy to verify my payment with you, let me know what I can do to facilitate this. If you already got this message in a different form, I apologize.
Thanks,
Kurgan

[Zeul]

@Kurgan

I think D3s7 is away for a few days - so you might have to wait a day or so.

[Kurgan]

Thanks for note Zeul, and thanks for unlock d3s7!

[d0ORk]

It would be so nice if I could change every VTS to main and not only one (important for Music DVDs) and it would be cool if you could set a custom size of the DVD. ;)

[salkku]

Hello.

How is the subpicture size estimated? I've read that it's quite inaccurate and I noticed that vobblanker can estimate the subpic size in range of KBs.

So, maybe you guys should ask jsoto about how the subs should be calculated

[D3s7]

they aren't.... which is why they are inaccurate

subs are not figured into bitrate calculations which works fine when you have 6 or less streams with normal amount of pictures.

More then that and it gets ugly

It's not so much that they can't either just that it hasn't been written in yet... there are a lot of other things higher on the list and unfortnatly, time isn't something I've had as of late :(

[[Tobi]]

After long and successful time, I get an error in ScenAid.

Procedure Name: ProcessSubs
Module Name: ProcessAssets

Error Number: 13
Error Description: Type mismatch
Error Source: ScenAid
Error Line: 0
Call Stack:
My subtitles for the VTS 1 are not processed.
Some help or support with this problem, would be really nice. :)

[Master Yoda]

I have read that a vobid demux does'nt create dummy audio files, but wont this cause problems when selecting audio track. For example i have kept the 1st and the 4th track but as theres no dummy tracks to replace the 2nd and 3rd the compile creates the 4th track i kept as track two. So in the menu when i select the 4th audio track i wont get any audio right ?? i would only get audio if i select the 1st and 2nd.

[Trahald]

yes..you cant have seemless connections in vobid demux. if you kill tracks then you have to adjust the ifo ( you can set stream 2 and 3 to 0 in that case and stream four to the value that was in stream 2) in ifo edit
i think i recall d3s7 saying when you do automatic mode with muxman, scenaid makes the adjustment for you. doing the adjustment in ifoedit yourself is simple tho.

[Master Yoda]

Okay thats not a problem. So whats the dummy audio in vobid demux for then ?? or will this cause problems ??

[D3s7]

it's for the rare situations that you can actually use it :)

it can be done but it takes knowing quite a bit about the IFO and layout before trying....

rare disks sometimes have audio on say 82 for one pgc or one cell but not the rest.. that's the time to use it as those are going to end up being none-seamless anyway

[Steel]

Ive done many dvds that have just that issue. Scenaid makes life much easier. BTW, check yer email, I lost my VIP code

[D3s7]

which email addr?

[Steel]

Still around? Need that code again.