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DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 06:12
It's finally here! w00t!
Today, June 15th, we're excited to announce the official release of DivX 6!

DivX 6 marks a new era in DivX history. Where before DivX was simply a codec technology, today we expand the DivX universe and add the DivX Media Format to our media ecosystem. Bringing with it advanced media features such as alternate audio tracks, multiple XSUB(tm) subtitle streams, XTAG(tm) video tags, chapter points, interactive video menus with scene selection, multiple titles and more, the DivX Media Format creates a true home theater experience both on and off the desktop.

Since 2002 we have been working with scores of consumer electronics manufacturers around the globe to develop certification programs to enable reliable interoperability and guarantee a high quality viewing experience with DivX content. In the last year, all of this hard work has really paid off for the worldwide digital video community. The DivX Certified partner list now boasts 198 hardware manufacturers, with over 500 DivX Certified product models. Last year over twenty million devices shipped into retail channels, which meant that anyone could walk into their nearest electronics store and pick up a DivX DVD player. The Philips DVP642, priced at less than US $70, stole the show and hit Amazon.com's #1 spot for Electronics many times throughout the year.

For us, the DivX Media Format is the next step on the path to bringing the movie experience we all dream about to life in millions of devices around the world. Over the past three years we've been working with manufacturers behind the scenes to build support for the new advanced media features of DivX, like alternate audio tracks and subtitles, which can be played in certified devices on sale today. Now we are working closely with those same manufacturers to ensure that full support for other advanced features like menus, scene selection, surround sound, video tags and chapter points will become available in DivX Certified devices in the near future.

To illustrate just what DivX is now capable of, take a look at a couple of the DivX media files already using the new advanced media features: Revelations, a film by Star Wars fans (http://trailers.divx.com/torrents/Revelations.divx.torrent), and an all new, souped-up Last Man Standing (http://trailers.divx.com/torrents/LastManStanding.divx.torrent). You'll need a BitTorrent client (http://www.bittornado.com) and a copy of DivX Player 6 (http://www.divx.com/divx/create) to download and play these. Notice also that the ".divx" file extension is used to refer to DivX media files, whereas DivX AVI files still use the ".avi" extension [Al: Cheesy branding insert courtesy of Bez ;)].

So how do you create your own DivX media files? After spending the past few months locking down our format specification, the DivX 6 SDK is undergoing heavy development and will include all the tools, libraries, documentation, and APIs necessary to create DivX media files manually, or to build this functionality into your own applications. We previewed parts of the SDK in February through our DivX Labs website (http://www.divxlabs.com), including tools such as the Fuse sample application that were necessary to rebuild our original Last Man Standing demonstration clip. As soon as the SDK is completed it will be released through DivX Labs with a free license for non-commercial personal use. In the short term our Mac platform manager, Adrian (a.k.a. "fluffy"), is currently turning his hand towards documenting and publishing the core toolset required to produce fully featured DivX media files. It is also possible to use the new DivX Converter application to create DivX media files that feature automatically generated scene selection menus, chapter points, alternate audio tracks, multiple subtitles and video tags.

In the near future expect the following line-up:

DivX Helium codec (Out now!)
DivX 6 codec Beta (Macintosh OS X platform)
DivX Media Format core tools and documentation
DivX 6 SDK
Support for surround sound audio


And now without further ado, on to the DivX 6 product lineup!

DivX 6 codec

http://images.divx.com/divx/DivXCodec.gif

The DivX 6 codec sets a new standard for DivX video quality. Working carefully within the constraints of DivX Certified device compatibility, the intrepid members of the DivX Advanced Research Centre (DARC) have significantly raised the bar over the DivX 5. The DivX 6 codec is capable of producing equivalent quality to DivX Pro 5.2.1, and DivX Pro 6 delivers at least a 20% improvement above that. The free version of DivX codec has changed such that it now produces only DivX Certified video, and we've added some nice features to the free version like bi-directional coding so that anyone can create high quality DivX Certified content. All features remain available in DivX Pro, and we're continuing the 6 month DivX Pro trial offer for everyone, which you can optionally select during installation on the Installation Components screen.

Here's a feature rundown for the tech-heads among us:

Support for the DivX Media Format is enabled in third-party media players. In this first rev of our DivX Media Format filters we have tested against Windows Media Player 6.4 through 10. "What the *&#!?" I hear you cry. We have also begun development for several other popular players, but many of these are not directly compatible with our filters yet. Better support in other players will follow as we release the DivX 6 SDK. If you are a developer please get in touch (http://forums.divx.com/eve/ubb.x/a/cfrm/f/899102432) so we can hook you up with what you need.

When you play DivX media files you should see a DivX toolbar icon popping up in your system tray where it is possible to select audio tracks, subtitles, chapter points, video tags, and change playback settings. From the toolbar you can also access the DivX Menu Navigator control. The DivX Menu Navigator makes it possible to use both mouse and key control for navigation in most players.

The DivX 6 decoder includes enhanced post-processing that is both optimized for PSNR and faster than that of the DivX 5 decoder.

We've redesigned the DivX codec encoder interface to better group related items and enable easier navigation. Gone are the popup wizard dialogs of yesteryear! The encoder window also has smaller dimensions, which will be a real boost for those of you still crazy enough to be running at 800x600 ;)

The encoding mode breakdown has been reworked to include modes ranging from Fastest through Insane quality to better balance encoding rate versus video quality. Most modes feature rate-distortion optimization and visible quality differentiation.

We have added Extreme and Insane quality modes to the encoder. Extreme quality will give you production quality video, but for those who always want the absolute best, Insane mode enables all the internal bells and whistles to guarantee the maximum video quality.

DivX codec now includes PSNR optimized H.263 quantization for superior retention of detail when compressing the picture.

4MV search is enabled in Portable, Home Theater, High Definition and Unconstrained profiles, allowing for better quality at lower resolutions, improved sharpness and reduced ringing artifacts.

Multiple consecutive bi-directional coding is enabled in High Definition profile. All bi-directional coding now uses the packed schema. Up to two consecutive B-VOPs are enabled in High Definition profile, and up to three are enabled in Unconstrained profile.

The VBV for Portable profile has been changed to take advantage of real-world DivX Certified portable devices enabling higher video quality. Video created under Portable profile in DivX 5 codec is fully compatible with the new VBV model.

The Encoder Feedback Window now includes a Lite version that consumes less space on the desktop and allows you to monitor progress during encoding. It's possible to switch between the Lite version and the full Feedback Window, and from the Feedback Window Lite you can set the process priority incase you want to do some other work while encoding. The Feedback Windows does introduce some impact on encoding rate, and we will be addressing this in future.


The entire team would like to thank all of you who helped us with the Plasma and Fusion programs; your contributions have helped make DivX 6 what it is today. For the adventurous among you, we're keeping things rolling with DivX Helium (http://download.divx.com/labs/DivXHeliumBuild1612.exe), a future research codec which can be installed atop the DivX 6 codec to enable experimental optimizations for dual core, HyperThreaded, and SMP CPUs. For more information check our our preliminary results over at the DivX Labs website (http://www.divxlabs.com).

DivX codec is featured in the DivX 6 Create Bundle (http://www.divx.com/divx/create).

DivX Converter

http://images.divx.com/divx/DivXConverter.gif

DivX Converter is a new easy-to-use drag-and-drop application for creating DivX video. Simply drag your file onto the DivX Converter, click Convert, and you're done! DivX Converter creates files using DivX Certified profiles so they are guaranteed to play in your DivX Certified devices.

DivX Converter outputs DivX media files with various features depending on the source you want to convert:

Using the DivX Converter MPEG-2/DVD Plug-in, you can drag-and-drop unprotected VOB files and configure which audio and subtitle tracks you would like to preserve in the DivX output. You can optionally choose to fit the output file to CD, or prepare it for a multi-file DVD (2000MB).

When you drag and drop multiple files with matching resolutions and frame rates onto DivX Converter you can optionally join them together to produce a single DivX media file that includes an automatically generated scene-selection menu with chapter points.

When you drag and drop one or more files onto DivX Converter you can perform batch encoding. After each file is encoded it will appear in your DivX Movies folder.


DivX Converter can convert the following file types:


DivX 3, 4, 5, 6 (.divx, .div, .avi)
MPEG-1 (.mpg, .mpe, .mpeg, .m1v, .dat)
MPEG-2 (.vob, .ts, .m2v) (Requires optional DivX Converter MPEG-2/DVD Plugin)
DV (.dv, .avi)
AVI files (.avi)
Windows Media Video (.wmv) (Fixed frame rate only)
AVISynth (.avs)

*Note: You must have the proper video and audio decoders to play the file you are trying to encode.

DivX Converter is the ideal way to get started in the world of DivX and requires no technical knowledge of codecs or encoding tools. If working with DivX has always been out of your reach, give DivX Converter a spin. A free 15 day trial of both DivX Converter and the optional DivX Converter MPEG-2/DVD Plug-in are included as part of the DivX 6 Create Bundle.

DivX Converter is included in the DivX 6 Create Bundle (http://www.divx.com/divx/create).


DivX Player

http://images.divx.com/divx/DivXPlayer.gif

In addition to supporting DivX 3, 4, 5 and 6 video, including DivX VOD files and services, DivX Player 6 now includes fully integrated support for the advanced features of the DivX Media Format:


DivX Player supports DivX media files that contain multiple titles. Add special features or bonus materials to your files and experience them in all their glory.

DivX Player enables direct navigation of interactive DivX menus for a true home entertainment experience.

DivX Player supports up to eight subtitles per title. Language defaults can be set via the player preferences.

DivX Player now supports up to eight audio tracks per title. Language defaults can be set via the player preferences.

DivX Player can read and navigate chapters in a DivX media file allowing you to skip straight to your favorite parts of the movie.

DivX Player can read and display video tags, providing detailed information about your favorite movies

DivX Player now takes less time to load on most systems, so you can start watching all your favorite DivX movies faster than ever before.

The right-click menu and user preference screens have been significantly reworked to facilitate access to DivX advanced media features, preferences and new decoder features.

The DivX 6 decoder is included for improved playback performance and video quality.


DivX Player tips and tricks for the power user:

Use the middle mouse button or mouse wheel to gain quick access to advanced features of DivX media files.
Pressing the 'M' key allows you to jump to and from the main menu for DivX media files that include menus.
Hidden feature: Hold Ctrl+Alt+Shift and press 'A' during playback to enable old-school ASCII rendering of your favorite movies!


DivX Player 6 is included in the DivX 6 Play Bundle (http://www.divx.com/divx/play) and the DivX 6 Create Bundle (http://www.divx.com/divx/create).

The new DivX product bundles
DivX 6 is available through two new product bundles: the DivX 6 Play Bundle and the DivX 6 Create Bundle. The DivX 6 Play Bundle contains everything you need to playback all types of DivX video, including the new DivX Media Format. The DivX 6 Create Bundle contains the DivX codec and DivX Converter enabling easy creation of DivX media.

DivX Pro and DivX Converter are sold together in the DivX Create bundle - when you purchase one through DivX.com (http://www.divx.com/divx/create/buy) you'll get the other free.

Upgrades
Upgrading to DivX 6 is easy. Here's how it works:

If you purchased in the last 30 days

If you purchased between May 15th 2005 and June 15th 2005 we will be sending you a free serial number for DivX 6 via e-mail. DivX Pro 5 customers will receive a serial number for the DivX 6 Create Bundle, and Dr DivX customers will receive a serial number for the DivX 6 Create Bundle with MPEG-2/DVD support. DivX Pro 5 customers will be able to purchase the DivX Converter MPEG-2 DVD Plug-in at a discount price by following the instructions in the e-mail.

All registered customers

If you purchased before May 15th 2005 you can access upgrading pricing through our upgrade page at DivX.com (http://www.divx.com/divx/create/upgrade/). Upgrades prices are up to 75% off the regular pricing after you enter your old serial number. Our accountants wouldn't actually let us give it away for free, but this is the next best thing!


A note on supported operating systems
DivX 6 series products are unsupported on Windows 98 and Windows Millenium Edition and can not be installed on these platforms.

The doctor is out.
As we release DivX 6 to the world we also acknowledge the departure of Dr. DivX (http://www.divx.com/divx/drdivx). The good doctor has moved over to private practice, servicing the stars of Hollywood, and even with good health insurance he's too expensive to put in our cart these days.

Enjoy this release,

- The DivX Team

Cyberace
15th June 2005, 07:00
Are there any developers out there who are interested in implementing DivX Media Format support into Xbox Media Center (http://www.xboxmediacenter.com) for us?
XboxMediaCenter (http://www.xboxmediacenter.com) (XBMC) is a free open source project, XBMC-GUI is C++/DirectX-based with a C-based MPlayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu) core (a/v player).
(Xbox SDK don't support DirectShow / DS-filters. XBMC decodes DivX with FFmpeg (http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/index.php), and demux is done by MPlayer's own splitter).

PS! SLIGHTLY OFF-TOPIC: Is the DivX Media Format licence compatible with LGPL/GPL for non-commersial projects?, like MPlayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu).

Cyberace
15th June 2005, 07:13
[EDIT:]Great performance and quality advancements in DivX 6.0!, ...though hope to see DXVA decoder (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=88988&page=9&pp=25) support too in the future :rolleyes:

PS! FYI, there's a interesting news piece about the new DivX 6 under top stories on Tom's Hardware Guide (http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050615_010321.html), go check it out! :cool:

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 07:45
As to your question on the GPL, that's a good question but I'm not actually the right person to answer it. I'll bring it up with the team in the morning and see what the consensus is :)

CruNcher
15th June 2005, 14:26
Will there be up2date Firmwares from the Chip Manufactures that support DMF for all the Players that would allow this allready today or does the customer has to buy a brandnew (only difference is the firmware) Player by the end of the year again :?

Sharktooth
15th June 2005, 14:34
uhm... the damn google toolbar...

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 14:41
After trying it out i'm really disapointed with divx converter not the codec itself.

we can not choose the final size, resolution, mp3 bitrate, subtitle colour and position on screen.
i havent found any of these options that i was able to choose with dr divx(except the subtitles bit that werent supported in the first place)

I wont even mention how the subtitles look on screen(are they on a diet?)

im disapointed.

nerodigital support for the above is a lot better.

hoping upgrades will fix this.

baer999
15th June 2005, 14:56
@ ricardo.santos: Yes I can understand, there is no possibility to change the final size or choose the options in the Divx Converter. That's very bad because not everybody can handle with VirtualDub or something like this, if i couldn't I would delete Divx right now ! So please recode your Converter, the Style is nice but too small Form and I'd like bigger Forms with more options and a Preiview Window while converting ?! About the quality of the 6th version i can't say anything at the moment, but i'll test it... What's the difference between the Helium and Divx 6 ?

unskinnyboy
15th June 2005, 14:59
Interesting, thanks for the info. I wonder what codec features are internally enabled/disabled across the quality profiles? Like if I choose "insane", what exactly gets enabled internally? Sorry if there was a documentation and I missed it. :)

Sharktooth
15th June 2005, 14:59
DivX Converter doesnt work with ffdshow's AC3 filter :(

JasonFly
15th June 2005, 15:03
Helium seems to be Multiprocessor or Hyperthreading optimized(P4-E, P4 dual core, AMD dualcore...)

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 15:09
"DivX Converter doesnt work with ffdshow's AC3 filter"

i had to download one from www.free-codecs.com if anyone needs one

when creating interactive menus divx converter crashed something "C ++ problem" so i cant comment on that bit.

i was waiting for divx 6 because mainly of the subs support, i dont know if any of you tried it but they are so thin, people that have a large living room i think will have some difficulty reading them, and some letters are sort of transparent.

divx 6 against divx 5 dont see a lot of difference.

i think i will stick with dr divx and srt2bmp for the subtitles.

Touffi
15th June 2005, 16:37
It's finally here! w00t!

The free version of DivX codec has changed such that it now produces only DivX Certified video, and we've added some nice features to the free version like bi-directional coding so that anyone can create high quality DivX Certified content.


I may be dumb, but it seems to me that the free version of Divx codec is gone. Whatever I try to install, to check/uncheck during installation, what I get is always the Divx Pro evalulation. Furthermore, the Bundle Faq (http://www.divx.com/divx/bundles_faq.php) states clearly that it is not possible to create Divx with the Play bundle. And the Create Bundle is not free.

So the questions are :
1 - Is it still possible to create Divx videos for free ?
2 - If so, how do I install the free version of the codec ?
3 - What are exactly the differences between the free / the pro version ?

Thanks for the answers.

Touffi

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 16:47
Divx.com says"The DivX Create Bundle comes with a free 15-day trial of the DivX Converter and a free 6-month trial of DivX Pro. You must purchase the full DivX Create Bundle if you wish to continue using DivX Pro or the DivX Converter after your trial periods expires. The DivX Player does not expire at any time."

i guess its free for six months :-)

Touffi
15th June 2005, 17:07
After further investigations it seems that some features are disabled in the Divx Pro after six months, but you can still create Divx videos. And even with the features disabled, the Divx panel still shows a confusing "Divx pro" logo. :rolleyes:

IgorC
15th June 2005, 17:26
I've remembered the words of Ford. Something like that - "We should hire more engineers. It's only way to bring success to our company"
In this case it's too late.

Gej
15th June 2005, 18:45
CruNcher: Firmware update to support the DivX Media Format: It’s up to the manufacturer, we have a put together a new level of certification “DivX Ultra” and we allow the manufacturer to provide upgrade for players already in the field. Keep in mind that most of the manufacturers de not have an ongoing firmware development effort for existing products. Contact you manufacturer to make sure he know that you want DivX Media Format on existing devices !

All: Converter: If you know how to use advanced applications, are very at ease with Gordian Knot or Virtual Dub then the Converter is clearly not for you guys; it has been designed to be an extremely easy to use application, not a advanced one. Plus this is the very first release; we are definitely going to listen to everyone concern and feature request and make the next version much more attractive from a advanced used point of view.

All: New Encoding mode: The insane Mode enable Rate Distortion decisions, for ALL blocks (P frames, B frames, I frames), this mode also enables some motion estimation fine tuning. This mode is definitely worth it IMHO. It create significantly better visual quality, more texture sharpness and less block. I strongly advise you to try it (in conjunction with h263 optimized quantization, which is Rate Distortion tweak at the quantization level), check the PSNR and compare it to DivX 5.2.1 or XviD…

All: AC3 filter in Converter: Try that http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=AC3+filter&btnG=Google+Search

All: The Helium Codec is a DivX 6.0 version optimized for multi-thread CPU, there are some minor bugs in it, but it’s already very stable, check the DivX Labs web site http://labs.divx.com/archives/000055.html for more information. I’m sure you guys will like the “settings” tab !

Ice =A=
15th June 2005, 18:54
Well, there seem to be no enhancements in the DEcoder imho, in fact it seems just to be the old one from 5.2.1. Well, you can't have everything I guess... :(

Does anyone know the difference between "h263 Optimal" and "h263"?

Edit:
Great that there is a multi processor version in developement, too! I can't wait for my new processor! :)
Will multi CPU support be in the codec itself (and work with all kinds of encoding programs using that codec) or do we have to use some special encoding program for that?

Edit2:
Can all DivX6-Videos (encoded without a menu structure) be played with DivX5.2.1-Decoder, too?

Gej
15th June 2005, 19:32
Decoder: there are *tons* of improvement in the decoder the largest one being the support of the DivX Media Format form most of Directshow based player. On a more technical side, there are quality and speed improvements to the post processing (and no it’s not the generic MPEG4 post processing)

Helium: Any encoding application will be able to take advantage of the multi thread capable Helium Codec.

DivX Media Format: All legacy decoder (DivX 5.2.1, FFMPEG and other) can decode DivX 6 video with and without menu structure. If a menu is present only the main feature will play, but none of the existing decoder should break

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 19:37
Hi Gej, you said:
"All: Converter: If you know how to use advanced applications, are very at ease with Gordian Knot or Virtual Dub then the Converter is clearly not for you guys; it has been designed to be an extremely easy to use application, not a advanced one. Plus this is the very first release; we are definitely going to listen to everyone concern and feature request and make the next version much more attractive from a advanced used point of view."

since when can we create subtitles (Xsub switchable) with gordian knot or virtual dub?!

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 19:42
Are controling the final size and audio bitrate newbie functions?

I dont think so. dont know why they dropped the dr divx interface.

Ice =A=
15th June 2005, 20:26
@Gej:
Thanks for the info, that's some good news.
Concerning the decoder: I did look especially for block artifacts, so maybe I was a little too focused to see other improvements... :)
By the way, I usually use DVDx, which indeed gives controll of most additional options some are requesting here. Since that will get the speed improvements of Helium, too, I am rather satisfied! :)

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 20:27
Wow, that's a lot of posts :)

Let me try and run through each of the major questions!

@CruNcher:
Firmware updates are somewhat at the discretion of each individual manufacturer. There are some product models on the market that don't actually have EEPROM on board and can't be upgraded. There are some manufacturers that choose not to update older models out of concern over customer support burden. And then there are some manufacturers, like Philips, who have grown a loyal customer base through regular firmware updates that improve their players and the user experience. DivX is working with each manufacturer to ensure that they have the materials that they need to include advanced media features quickly and painlessly. We'll need to wait and see how they all choose to roll it out.

@Sharktooh

Love the Google Toolbar, for it is the font of all knowledge. Well, most of it. At least the top ranking knowledge anyway.

@ricardo.santos, baer999

DivX Converter is geared towards a non technical audience who are largely unfamiliar with video encoding. One of the goals for this first release was to create a product that could be used with literally no comprehension of what processes were taking place under the hood to make the magic happen.

Why do this? Let's use the almighty GordianKnot as a point of discussion. Each of us have likely used this tool at one time or another to prepare and encode content. It provides all the functionality necessary to input various file formats, crop and resize video, adjust for pixel aspect ratio, itvc, de-interlace, transcode audio, perform bitrate calculations, configure codecs, prefilter through AVISynth, and more. Sometimes you only need some of this functionality to convert your content. More frequently, you need to be a master at all of it to get good results.

Encoding is a bewildering prospect for most newcomers to the scene. Basic things like bitrate calculations, telecining, and pixel aspect ratio can be enough to deter even the enthusiastic novice. DivX Converter attempts to make the world of DivX available to these novice users, not just in terms of encoding to DivX video, but in enabling them to create content for their CE device, to prepare files for online distribution, to send their home videos to their family and friends, and so on. Converter also provides a convenient means to quickly transcode content into DivX media files with advanced features without setting a thousand and one options.

That being said, one of our goals is to eductate and better meet the needs of our customers. In that light, DivX Converter will evolve over time to address the feedback we receive on it. Our product manager for "DivX Converter" (thekid) is already browsing the forums and noting down feedback that will influence the next release. It might be a good idea to start a seperate thread specifically for DivX Converter ideas and suggestions.

@unskinnyboy

Fast mode is a barebones, high speed, high quality, low compression mode that uses a very minimal and finely tuned feature set for optimial encode rate. Balanced mode uses no 4MV estimation and very little rate-distortion. Better, Extreme, and Insane modes are all rate-distortion optimized and use 4MV.

The biggest difference between each mode is just how deep the encoder will go when it's making decisions during encoding. When you look at Insane mode, the encoder is basically digging deep, looking at all it's options (for things like motion vectors, quantization factors, vlc, etc.) and working out exactly what all the decision paths will cost in terms of bits and what the results will be. As you move down the modes, the encoder begins to try to predict more and more the results, rather than actually testing them definitively. Each feature the encoder uses might reflect a similar schema. For example, 4MV might use a basic search and cost estimation in Better mode, and a more thorough search and cost estimation in Extreme mode. Clearly, deeper digging means more work and more time.

I won't go so far as to define which features are used in which modes and how, because this may change in future and I don't want this post to turn into what is assumed to be the definitive reference. Our DARC group carefully balance algorithm selections against hundreds of rate-distortion plots for quality and performance using several metrics to determine the right balance to meet the use cases defined for the codec, thus the underlying algorithm selection may change as we enhance pieces of functionality over time, but the general use case concept for each mode should remain consistent.

@Sharktooth

You are right, DivX Converter doesn't currently work with the AC3 Filter that is integrated into the latest FFDShow decoder. I am sure thekid will be looking at this for future versions.

On DivX Helium

DivX Helium is an experimental version of the DivX codec that includes performance optimizations for SMP, HT, and Dual Core systems. There are some really nice results over at DivX Labs (http://www.divxlabs.com)! Go check it out ;)


@ricardo.santos

The DivX 6 codec is an impressive leap in quality over the DivX 5 codec. If you are using DivX Converter you will not have control over which encoding mode is selected, the bitrate used, or the feature set selected. While DivX Converter should always produce good quality content, I recommend that to truely leverage the full power of the new DivX codec you tap into it directly through GordianKnot, VirtualDub, or the like.

@Touffi - I see this has been answered but I'll just comment on it breifly..

The DivX Codec (Free version) is included in the DivX Create Bundle. During installation, when you get to the components selection screen, drop down the components list for "DivX codec" and you'll see a checkbox for "DivX Pro Trial". Uncheck this box and you'll have the regular version of DivX codec, completely free.

So yes it's still possible to create DivX videos for free! :) We've also added bi-directional encoding to the non-Pro version so you can now get the same quality with DivX 6 codec that you could only get before with DivX Pro 5.

Some of the features only available in DivX Pro 6 are: Unconstrained profile (including fixed quantizer mode), H.263 PSNR optimized quantization, Better quality/Extreme quality/Insane quality modes, the Feedback Window, and the EKG application.

However, feel free to take advantage of our 6 Month DivX Pro Trial. You don't need to install any additional software to use it, we don't ask you to fill out any forms or go to our website, or sign your soul over to us in blood. Just leave the box checked during installation. Nice huh? ;)

SeeMoreDigital
15th June 2005, 20:37
@Touffi We've also added bi-directional encoding to the non-Pro version so you can now get the same quality with DivX 6 codec that you could only get before with DivX Pro 5. Now that is a very welcome implementation guys...

Whoever came up with that recommendation deserves an extra weeks "paid" holiday :)


Cheers

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 20:52
Whoever came up with that recommendation deserves an extra weeks "paid" holiday :)


Don't I wish... ;)

m99
15th June 2005, 20:52
Wow, that's a lot of posts :)

Let me try and run through each of the major questions!

"And then there are some manufacturers, like Philips, who have grown a loyal customer base through regular firmware updates that improve their players and the user experience."


I'm not sure everyone agree with this.

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 21:09
since when can we create subtitles (Xsub switchable) with gordian knot or virtual dub?!

Just as soon as Adrian cranks out our core tools and associated docs on DivX Labs, they're under development right now.

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 21:47
Hi Digital56k.

my first question is to why divxnetworks dropped the drdivx interface, that tool with subtitle support and multiple audio language support would be the perfect tool!

divx converter is to simple(no control over audio bitrate and final size among others) but on the other hand Gordianknot is so complicated to use. on my travells on the net i see more people having difficulty with gordianknot and virtualdub than with drdivx.

Dr divx had a automated cropping tool(among other good things) and it was so simple to use.

if divx networks were reading feedback from divx users they would find out that a lot liked it but didnt use drdivx because of lack of subtitle support, if they were reading why didnt they preserve that interface and added multiple audio and subtitle support.

gordian knot allows only i think for permanent subs(not a very good thing)

my point:
i cant use virtualdubmod or gordianknot because it doesnt support multiple audio/subtitles.

divxnetworks should have(i think) get it right this time.

Drdivx happy user

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 21:54
Just as soon as Adrian cranks out our core tools and associated docs on DivX Labs, they're under development right now.


more waiting....

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 22:05
this is from the divxnetworks forums, what can i say?

http://forums.divx.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/931101651/m/575105352

they weren't listening

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 22:06
When the DivX SDK is completed, tools such as GordianKnot, AutoGK, etc. will be able to integrate all of the advanced features into their content creation process.

I can understand the frustrations of the Dr DivX users - in this version of DivX Converter we don't provide the kind of control that you are accustomed to and so some of the things you would do in Dr DivX can't yet be achieved in DivX Converter, which is not to say they can not be supported in future. Balance this against some of the new functionality that DivX Converter does offer: One-click conversion, nothing to set with good quality output, subtitles, scene-selection menus, alternate audio tracks, chapters, video tags, etc.

You can continue to run Dr DivX alongside DivX Converter, and leverage the strengths of both.

We would also value your feedback on what you would like to be able to do in DivX Converter in future, please post to this new thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=672958

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 22:15
digital56k-"When the DivX SDK is completed, tools such as GordianKnot, AutoGK, etc. will be able to integrate all of the advanced features into their content creation process."


isnt it up to divxnetworks to make those tools instead of directing us to other tools.

look at nerodigital (everything is there in one package) newbie and advanced.

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 22:21
We have several goals for content creation tools. We have our own applications that we develop around our core technologies, such as the DivX codec and the DivX Media Format, and we are also working with many software partners to create DivX 6-enabled applications for all kinds of content creation scenarios. DivX Converter is simply the first way that you can convert your content to the DivX Media Format. It will certainly not be the only way, and we may enhance it with the features you're looking for in future.

To re-iterate my previous comments, we are definately looking for feedback on DivX Converter. Stay cool, let us know your thoughts, we're all reading the forums so this is your chance to have your say.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=95895

ricardo.santos
15th June 2005, 22:26
Im cool :-) just a bit disapointed, dr divx went on vacations!

one last question if i install dr divx back will it be using divx5?
and is it safe to run the aplications together!

thanks

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 23:10
You can absolutely run the two together.

Install Dr DivX, then re-install DivX 6 over the top.

You'll then have Dr DivX using DivX Pro 5 to encode, all the benefits of DivX 6 decoding including DivX media files, DivX Player 6, access to the DivX 6 encoder through VirtualDub, AutoGK, etc., and access to DivX Converter for easy DivX 6 encoding with advanced media features.

len0x
15th June 2005, 23:16
what happened with single pass quality mode - is it now just single quantizer and not average?

DigitAl56K
15th June 2005, 23:29
Hi len0x,

The following modes are available when DivX Profiles are enabled:

1-Pass, ABR
Multipass, ABR


When you switch to Unconstrained profile you can also use Qualtiy Based mode, which is fixed quantizer. This option has been broken out seperately on the encoder GUI for DivX 6.

DivX 6 codec doesn't implement an average quantizer mode (neither did DivX 5 codec). Perhaps I misunderstand what you are looking for?

Under DivX 5.0.5 and earlier psychovisual enhancement was implemented using block adaptive quantization, but this was changed to a more advanced method in DivX 5.1 and higher. Is this what you refer to?

jggimi
15th June 2005, 23:32
...gordian knot allows only i think for permanent subs....For .avi containers, GK allows the user to keep VobSub files separate, or have them burned in. For .ogm and .mkv containers, GK allows for separate subtitle streams in .srt format. ...i cant use virtualdubmod or gordianknot because it doesnt support multiple audio/subtitles...VdubMod supports multiple audio and subtitles streams with all three containers: .avi, .mkv, and .ogm.

len0x
16th June 2005, 00:17
DivX 6 codec doesn't implement an average quantizer mode (neither did DivX 5 codec).

How good you know your own product! :)
In 5.2 you can see quality which corresponds to quantizer with decimal points, so unless DivX actually uses quantizers like 2.5 I'd say its pretty much average quant. Now in DivX6 I can only see fixed quant which to be fair can be manually edited to put decimal digits there, but I doubt they will be respected...

P.S. you guys shot yourself in the foot when made CLI compulsory and broke general support in gk/agk completely.

ricardo.santos
16th June 2005, 00:28
For .avi containers, GK allows the user to keep VobSub files separate, or have them burned in. For .ogm and .mkv containers, GK allows for separate subtitle streams in .srt format. VdubMod supports multiple audio and subtitles streams with all three containers: .avi, .mkv, and .ogm.


mkv and ogm dont play on dvd/divx players(or am i wrong)

i backup dvds not to be played on the pc but on divx player.

some players have difficulty in displaying srt subs even after firmware update thats why i was interested in xsub

Gej
16th June 2005, 00:29
len0x: DivX 6.0 support "Average Quantizer" and yes they are respected...

len0x
16th June 2005, 00:36
len0x: DivX 6.0 support "Average Quantizer" and yes they are respected...

ok, good to know!

DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 00:43
Dang, my bad! I only ever use integer quant values. Sorry len0x ;)

StriderGT
16th June 2005, 01:17
Trying to do some comparisons with xvid (AutoGK) and Recode 2, but I do not know the default settings of the new Divx Converter. Is insane quality utilized by default? Is there a smart algorithm choosing all params, because converter stated the lowering of res to achieve DVD>700Mb. I found this technical metadata tab but not very helpfull:

Created with:
Video Codec: DivX Pro Codec 6.0
Video Resolution: 512x288
Video Framerate: 25.00
Duration: 01:27:33
Codec Settings:

Is there a file saved somewhere with the full info?
And I can't find the divx 6 encoder parameter page (Divx PRO 6 Codec Properties as shown in the first post - I can only see the Decoder configuration utility in the Divx>Divx Codec program Group), where is it? If I do change params over there will they be respected by Divx Converter in the next encoding?

Thx in advance

prOnorama
16th June 2005, 01:26
I downloaded the DivXCreate bundle from the DivX.com website. So when I installed it I read the licence agreement. Especially this part interests me:

BANNERS: This software will download product banners and/or similar marketing devices from our servers and display them within the software GUI. A message will be sent to our servers indicating that a banner or similar marketing device has been served. No personal information will be communicated to DivXNetworks or its affiliates during this process.

Ehm this sounds like Adware to me, but maybe I'm seeing it wrong...any explanation?

(I did not continue the installation of DivXCreate by the way, awaiting a response)

riggits
16th June 2005, 01:27
Hi! I'm comparing the new DivX container format with NeroDigital's MP4 container, and I have a few questions...

Which audio format is used/preferred in a DivX container? Nero's Recode2 will do 5.1-ch AAC, and it's quite nice. What's the advantage of a completely new format? It really seems that this new one addresses a need that's been met nicely in a fairly standardized way.

Thanks, I'm looking forward to testing the new Helium build!!

foxyshadis
16th June 2005, 01:31
I'm curous about something: You mention that GK will be able to use DivX6 with all subtitles and advanced features; does that mean that they're integrated through the panel into the primary video stream during encoding? Or is there a more complex conversation going on between the two?

Gej
16th June 2005, 02:09
prOnorama: "within the software GUI" that's mean that the codec banner for instance or the Player backround can be updated remotly, nothing intrusive or remotly related to a spyware.

len0x: What do you mean about the CLI ? We specificaly implement that to insure consistency between releases and remove the dependency on the registry for parameters setting.

StriderGT: I think that if you want to make some comparaisons you should use the codec directly with Virtual Dub. The Converter do not use the Insane mode, nor the H263 optimized quantizer.

DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 02:12
I downloaded the DivXCreate bundle from the DivX.com website. So when I installed it I read the licence agreement. Especially this part interests me:

BANNERS: This software will download product banners and/or similar marketing devices from our servers and display them within the software GUI. A message will be sent to our servers indicating that a banner or similar marketing device has been served. No personal information will be communicated to DivXNetworks or its affiliates during this process.

Ehm this sounds like Adware to me, but maybe I'm seeing it wrong...any explanation?

(I did not continue the installation of DivXCreate by the way, awaiting a response)


Yep!

The common conception of Adware is software which pops ad windows up on your screen while secretly sending information about you, your computer, your browsing habbits, etc. back to the vendor. Typically the Adware component also comes from a third-party vendor, is entirely unrelated to the product it's shipping with, and completely useless to the end user also.

DivX uses banners in a completely different way. Occasionally our software (DivX codec and DivX Player) will check our servers for updated artwork and pull it down, then display it in our product. In the DivX codec you'll see it in the image area at the top of the encoder configuration window, and in the DivX Player you'll see it in the middle of the play area when no movie is playing. We've been doing this since DivX 5.2, and, to date, we have never displayed a single third-party advertisement in either product.

We have used the banner space for some promotion of DivX products, linking people to information about DivX Certified devices, directing people to our user forums, and highlighting educational material we have produced around our products, such as the DivX Codec User Guide.

We're also very privacy conscious, and we don't collect any kind of personal information as we display banners in the products. All the data pulling takes place client side, and nothing is sent to our servers. We do send a ping to a counting server which is simply aggregated (i.e. we just count the number of times we've displayed banner 'A', the number of times we've displayed banner 'B', etc.). This let's us somewhat correlate how particular banners are helping to draw attention to whatever we're trying to highlight at the time. We can't tell what any particular user sees etc. All of this functionality was built by us so we're totally in control of our own code and there are no dubious third-party components involved.

Also in respect of your privacy and personal preference, we provide options in both DivX codec and DivX Player to disable banners. You will find an option on the codec advanced setting, "Do not rotate artwork and product information", and a similar option in the DivX Player preferences.

The reason that this is called out in our EULA explicitly is not to raise your concern, but simply to be honest and forthright about our products so that you don't have to worry that DivX is doing anything underhanded.

Hope this helps!

DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 02:50
@StriderGT:

DivX Converter does not user the DivX 6 codec on Insane mode under any circumstance, and automatically generates encoding parameters with respect to the source content, the DivX Certified profile you have selected, and the output file size you have selected, if any.

Setting the DivX encoder configuration GUI does not influence the settings used by DivX Converter.

To test the DivX Pro 6 codec you need to use an alternate encoding application, such as VirtualDub.