View Full Version : DivX 6 released!
DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 02:52
I'm curous about something: You mention that GK will be able to use DivX6 with all subtitles and advanced features; does that mean that they're integrated through the panel into the primary video stream during encoding? Or is there a more complex conversation going on between the two?
You can't do this just yet, but hopefully len0x will integrate support for this when the DivX SDK is completed.
len0x
16th June 2005, 03:04
len0x: What do you mean about the CLI ? We specificaly implement that to insure consistency between releases and remove the dependency on the registry for parameters setting.
You didn't think that through. Many applications including GK rely on registry to set codec settings so that application doesn't need to be changed everytime you have a new version of the codec. Now you have very build-specific registry key for CLI that broke compatibily with all the above applications. GK is unusable with divx6 now...
DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 03:21
Gej: len0x and I have been talking a little on this point, I am sure we can work something out :)
Bathrone
16th June 2005, 04:22
Ok some feedback
It took a number of refreshes for the PHP of your website to come up with the upgrade serial no website page. I suspect your getting hit with high load.
I had problems entering my serial number because initially I got it emailed with dashes and it wont accept dashes. After some guesswork I took out the dashes and it finally accepted my serial number.
DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 05:02
Thanks Bathrone, I appreciate the heads-up, and I'll let our web team know of your access problems.
I know we were working to correct the issue with hyphenated serial numbers this afternoon, I'll check up on it in the morning.
Kairk
16th June 2005, 05:50
I just installed Divx6 and have a couple of questions:
1) Is there anyway to default it to low priority? I did a couple of test clips and had to set the priority manually each time in the feedback window.
2) I did a couple of test clips in VDubMod with Divx6 and Gspot is reporting the 4cc as Divx 5. Is this correct?
DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 05:54
Hi Kairk,
There is no way to default the task priority in 6.0, but this feature should be coming in the next rev.
The FourCC code is still DX50 for compatibility with DivX Certified devices. Well spotted ;)
westgroveg
16th June 2005, 10:31
To illustrate just what DivX is now capable of, take a look at a couple of the DivX media files already using the new advanced media features: Revelations, a film by Star Wars fans, and an all new, souped-up Last Man Standing.
You would think one of DivX Networks servers would help seed this () :rolleyes:
Bathrone
16th June 2005, 11:10
Al, sorry Im a bit confused with this banner stuff.
Ive been doing some packet analysis I can see unexpected traffic going from my box to Level 3 Communications on 8.4.80.83 port 80 via TCP. I know that Level 3 Communications is you guys.
Can you please clarify what this is.
Sagittaire
16th June 2005, 12:54
Good job ... I think that for metric DivX6 is the best MPEG4 ASP codec.
jggimi
16th June 2005, 14:02
mkv and ogm dont play on dvd/divx players(or am i wrong)
i backup dvds not to be played on the pc but on divx player....You are correct, standalone players limit your container choices. But your initial complaint apparently misunderstood the capabilites of VdubMod and GK. The .avi container does not support subtitle streams -- and that's a container limitation -- but it does support multiple soundtrack streams. See VdubMod's Streams...Streams list usage in http://www.doom9.org/vdubmod-procedures.htm.
In any case, this discussion of containers and applications is off-topic to this DivX 6 thread. If you'd like to continue the discussion, please open a separate thread.
dlight
16th June 2005, 14:12
Wow, that's a lot of posts :)
Let me try and run through each of the major questions!
@Sharktooh
Love the Google Toolbar, for it is the font of all knowledge. Well, most of it. At least the top ranking knowledge anyway.
I am with Sharktooth, don't install software on my machine, especially when I just bought your product. This isn't shareware is it? And Banners?!
[@Touffi - I see this has been answered but I'll just comment on it breifly..
The DivX Codec (Free version) is included in the DivX Create Bundle. During installation, when you get to the components selection screen, drop down the components list for "DivX codec" and you'll see a checkbox for "DivX Pro Trial". Uncheck this box and you'll have the regular version of DivX codec, completely free.
So yes it's still possible to create DivX videos for free! :) We've also added bi-directional encoding to the non-Pro version so you can now get the same quality with DivX 6 codec that you could only get before with DivX Pro 5.
Some of the features only available in DivX Pro 6 are: Unconstrained profile (including fixed quantizer mode), H.263 PSNR optimized quantization, Better quality/Extreme quality/Insane quality modes, the Feedback Window, and the EKG application.
However, feel free to take advantage of our 6 Month DivX Pro Trial. You don't need to install any additional software to use it, we don't ask you to fill out any forms or go to our website, or sign your soul over to us in blood. Just leave the box checked during installation. Nice huh? ;)
I don't understand the above and your original post does not clear this up for me either.
"DivX Pro and DivX Converter are sold together in the DivX Create bundle - when you purchase one through DivX.com you'll get the other free."
I paid for what I thought would include Divx Pro (Version 6?) when I bought the "DivX Create" bundle. Your site does not make it clear that I am buying a 6 month trial. Your own posting is also misleading. Am I missing something?
StriderGT
16th June 2005, 14:42
Ok I got to access the Codec Settings via Virtual Dub, but my whole comparison point was to investigate automated results (AutoGK Xvid vs Recode 2 vs DivX 6) in highest quality. Why not include a simple fast/normal/highest quality filed in the DivX converter, since the quality I got from the Converter was below AutoGK Xvid (DVD > 700Mb). It was fast but nothing extraordinary. (If it was one pass it was actually very slow :-)
BTW I read an interesting article in Tom's hardware regarding the perception of this new codec and I understand that there is an effort to depart from the DVD rip tag. But this is going to bring negative feedback from the community especially if it hampers functionallity and by this I do not mean Gknot tweaking level but access to features like the insane quality for everyone who does a conversion.
PS Thinking of it again maybe its time for lenox to step in with a AutoGK DivX 6. Otherwise one of the best new features -improved quality- is unlikely to be seen by the majority of users.
flloyd
16th June 2005, 15:50
I am having weird results when opening the DivX 6 decoder. This is what I get: http://img220.echo.cx/img220/7113/divx6bug0rd.png (http://www.imageshack.us). The other tabs look similar. What's up?
Windows MCE 2005
ArabianSwan
16th June 2005, 16:34
>_< how come I'm the only one that can't find the codec and it's configuration...
I paid for the create bundle... download.. installed.. registered and restart my PC.
I went to virtualdub.. opened one of my avs scripts.. went to compression and the divx codec is not listed there :confused:
I tried about 5 times to install and re-install but nothing.. no matter what I do I just can't get the codec neither can I find it's configuration box under the divx folder
GIVE ME MY DIVX BACK :(
DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 16:54
@dlight:
We will never install the Google Toolbar without first asking if you'd like it. We'll offer you the Toolbar only under certain conditions (IE is your default browser, you don't have it already, etc.). If we don't offer it to you we won't install it.
To read more about Google Toolbar in our bundles, see here:
http://www.divx.com/divx/create/divxpro/whatisgoogle.php
With regards to banners, we do not use these in the conventional manner! I've already addressed this earlier in the thread, please see here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=673043#post673043
When you buy the DivX Create bundle you get a registered license to DivX Pro and DivX Converter. The bundle you install is exactly the same as the regular trial bundle, but after you install it you can use the link on your start menu to enter your serial number and the product will become the full version. Alternatively, when you run either product you'll see a trial window popup where you can also enter your serial number.
@flloyd:
Windows MCE isn't currently one of our supported platforms, but I will log this issue into our tracking system and see if we can patch it up for you in the next rev :)
How do the other products look on MCE?
@ArabianSwan:
The codec is accessible through most video editing applications, including free applications like VirtualDub and VirtualDubMod, and works almost like an export plug-in.
You can check out some of our How-To guides that show you how to export DivX from various software here:
http://www.divx.com/divx/create/divxpro/guides/
The process is similar for almost all video software. Once you can use one, you can use them all.
On the same page you can also download the DivX codec User Guide. This has not been updated to reflect the DivX 6 codec yet, but all of the information and the tutorial at the start of the guide is still relevant and it's easy to follow the step-by-step instructions with the new DivX 6 codec.
Hope this helps!
ArabianSwan
16th June 2005, 17:00
DigitAl56K.. thanx for the reply
Just to let you know.. I had the CCCP playback pack removed from my PC and after doing that.. divx appeared in my list of installed codecs in virtualdub.
flloyd
16th June 2005, 17:10
DigitAl56K: The other products all look fine, except for these certain "tabs". Under DivX Player: "About" Tab looks fine but Shortcuts and Information tabs have this same blank look as well. I'm not even sure what they are supposed to be displaying. Oh and I forgot to mention that I have Intel 915G for video. Never had any display issues with any other softwares.
DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 17:16
@ArabianSwan:
Ah, this is a common problem. Often when invalid entries occur in the list of codecs in the Windows configuration Video For Windows applications will simply stop enumerating them, and thus if the DivX codec entry appears after an invalid entry the video app never sees it. This happens frequently when codec packs are installed.
There are one or two tools floating around Doom9 to fix it, I also wrote a very old tool called "BigFix" which had an option to do it, and I'll be releasing this functionality as a seperate tool shortly through a DivX Support FAQ.
Glad you got it working!
@flloyd:
Thanks, I will log all of this information for our Engineering group!
Hyper Shinchan
16th June 2005, 17:23
I hope that in the future DivX converter will have some option, there's nothing to change!
Stupid question: why don't you use the official MPEG-4 container file? why do you prefer hacked avi?
moon1234
16th June 2005, 17:29
You are correct, standalone players limit your container choices. But your initial complaint apparently misunderstood the capabilites of VdubMod and GK. The .avi container does not support subtitle streams -- and that's a container limitation -- but it does support multiple soundtrack streams. See VdubMod's Streams...Streams list usage in http://www.doom9.org/vdubmod-procedures.htm.
In any case, this discussion of containers and applications is off-topic to this DivX 6 thread. If you'd like to continue the discussion, please open a separate thread.
This is totally false. AVI supports up to 99 additional streams which can be audio, subtitles or whatever. Just becuase a specific tool won't do what you want does not mean the container was not designed for it. Please take a look at AVImux GUI (http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~noe/Video-Zeug/AVIMux%20GUI/index-eng.html). I have AVI's with multiple embedded audio streams (AC3, MP3 and AAC) and up to five subtitle streams in the same AVI container. All play perfectly in Media Player Classic. You need vsfilter (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=84359) to playback and select the subtitles, but other than that they files play perfectly. I can even play these AVI's on the Phillips DVP-642. It does not recogize the embedded subtitles and picks the first audio stream, but other than that it works great.
I don't undertand what all the excitement is about. These features have been available for several years if you use the correct tools.
DigitAl56K
16th June 2005, 17:36
All, this is not a discussion on the AVI file format. The topic of this thread is the launch of DivX 6, and while all of your questions are welcome and we'll do our best to answer them, please start them in a new thread and/or post on the appropriate forum.
For a short summary on the container, see here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=673319#post673319
Something to think about though: It's not necessarily about the container, it's about the format and what it enables you to do :) Being able to create a file with alternate audio tracks and subtitles and then drop it in your DivX Certified DVD player and watch it on a nice big HDTV is no bad thing!
Hyper Shinchan
16th June 2005, 17:50
For me the new format isn't tvery different than the old one. And it's not very different than XivD and other MPEG-4 codec.
riggits
16th June 2005, 18:01
Ok I got to access the Codec Settings via Virtual Dub, but my whole comparison point was to investigate automated results (AutoGK Xvid vs Recode 2 vs DivX 6) in highest quality. Why not include a simple fast/normal/highest quality filed in the DivX converter, since the quality I got from the Converter was below AutoGK Xvid (DVD > 700Mb). It was fast but nothing extraordinary. (If it was one pass it was actually very slow :-)
BTW I read an interesting article in Tom's hardware regarding the perception of this new codec and I understand that there is an effort to depart from the DVD rip tag. But this is going to bring negative feedback from the community especially if it hampers functionallity and by this I do not mean Gknot tweaking level but access to features like the insane quality for everyone who does a conversion.
PS Thinking of it again maybe its time for lenox to step in with a AutoGK DivX 6. Otherwise one of the best new features -improved quality- is unlikely to be seen by the majority of users.
I've seen the poor quality you speak of: my encode of a very compressible source was squished down to almost QVGA resolution and then mangled. I don't think the DivX 6 likes bitrates below 1300kbps.
AutoGK did fine with this same source, it's hard to believe they're the same movie when seen side-by-side.
bond
16th June 2005, 19:18
It's finally here! w00t!
DivX 6 marks a new era in DivX history. Where before DivX was simply a codec technology, today we expand the DivX universe and add the DivX Media Format to our media ecosystem. Bringing with it advanced media features such as alternate audio tracks, multiple XSUB(tm) subtitle streams, XTAG(tm) video tags, chapter points, interactive video menus with scene selection, multiple titles and more, the DivX Media Format creates a true home theater experience both on and off the desktop.
lol, i cant resist, but all these features (except menus) are available for years already ;) :D :p
ricardo.santos
16th June 2005, 20:00
This is totally false. AVI supports up to 99 additional streams which can be audio, subtitles or whatever. Just becuase a specific tool won't do what you want does not mean the container was not designed for it. Please take a look at AVImux GUI (http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~noe/Video-Zeug/AVIMux%20GUI/index-eng.html). I have AVI's with multiple embedded audio streams (AC3, MP3 and AAC) and up to five subtitle streams in the same AVI container. All play perfectly in Media Player Classic. You need vsfilter (http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=84359) to playback and select the subtitles, but other than that they files play perfectly. I can even play these AVI's on the Phillips DVP-642. It does not recogize the embedded subtitles and picks the first audio stream, but other than that it works great.
I don't undertand what all the excitement is about. These features have been available for several years if you use the correct tools.
of course you can do that with avimuxgui, but i wanna watch it on divx player and if i use that tool i cant choose audio or subtitles tracks on the divx player . i dont watch divx on pc but on the tv.
not everyone has english as native language or can read english.
bond
16th June 2005, 20:04
about menus:
first of all respect for offering that! really a missing goodie in the mpeg-4 world
than my question about menus (without having tested the divx tools):
is the user able to convert dvd menus to .divx ones easily (i mean ala "one-click")?
is it possible to design/create a menu from the scratch?
what options do divx menus support?
ricardo.santos
16th June 2005, 20:05
lol, i cant resist, but all these features (except menus) are available for years already ;) :D :p
where were switchable subtitles/audio tracks?
of course they have on the pc but not on dvd/divx players?
does everyone watch divx on their pc's?
am i the only 1 using dvd/divx players?
ChronoReverse
16th June 2005, 21:01
Does this mean that existing DivX Standalones will playback DivX6 media with the extensions (menus etc)?
ricardo.santos
16th June 2005, 21:25
"ChronoReverse Does this mean that existing DivX Standalones will playback DivX6 media with the extensions (menus etc)?"
present divx players only support video and xsub subs, standalones that play menus only available at end of year
Surlyrich
17th June 2005, 01:51
I posted a similar question regarding the creation of DivX menus in the DivX forums. Apparently, tools for menu creation will be released with the new SDK sometime soon. Not sure about DVD to DivX menus... guess we will have to wait and see, but I doubt it. Hopefully it wont be too much drama to re-create them.
Personally I cant wait till there are stand alone players capable of playing divx/mpeg4 with menus etc and that will take one of the new HD DVD/bluray recordable formats. Imagine having every 007 movie in high definition with menus and extras all on one disc. Or, All 7 seasons of Star Trek DS9 with menus etc on 1-2 discs. My guess is that they wont be that far off.
westgroveg
17th June 2005, 02:10
@ricardo.santos
My standalone plays back the DIVX container with switchable xsub files. An obvious advantage to using a DIVX file is it provides smother seeking (at least on my standalone) than AVI.
Fateh2002
17th June 2005, 02:12
it is really a great progress for Divx, spesially when their will be a device that
support it.......
i agree with the other user for the option to control the size of the file....
and i was wonder if i will bw apple to create a .divx file for tv show episodes
with episodes selection menu and play all button like DVD.....
and it will only support xsub or vobsub will be in consideration....
cuz i prefare vobsub for many reasons like the color of the subtitle and
you can put different locations for some lines........
i hope the DVD Player that support .divx files with all the features mentioned
and other features coming as the they promise will be released soon and
updated freqeuntly.......
it will be great if i can create a .divx file for tv show......
12gage
17th June 2005, 05:55
hello all, the improved quality sounds great but i'm having a problem. I installed not opting for the trial to just be able to use the codec, restarted and when I try encoding to divX with GK/V-Dub i get this message "Video compression error: An unknown error occured (maybe corrupt data). Error code -100" My .avs script has converttoYV12() in it, I tried with and without, also tried removing all filters. I also tried installing the HeliumBuild and got the same error. But when trying the DivXConvert it was okay. My script converted fine with XviD, what am I doing wrong?
Bathrone
17th June 2005, 07:45
So, no one can explain or can replicate the unexpected TCP traffic to Divx that I reported about earlier in the thread?
DigitAl56K
17th June 2005, 08:20
So, no one can explain or can replicate the unexpected TCP traffic to Divx that I reported about earlier in the thread?
I can explain it, breifly, because I'm tired as hell and I'm going to bed ;)
Our products check for updates by pulling down a file from our servers that contains a list of the latest available versions. All of the version checking is done client-side and no information is sent to us.
Banners may also cause some network traffic, check out this post that explains how it all works:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=673043#post673043
I'm probably going to post more about this tomorrow for anyone who is interested, and I'll also read back over the last couple of pages here that I haven't got to yet and answer all the questions there too.
Have a good night everyone, hope you're enjoying DivX 6 so far :)
-Al
daphy
17th June 2005, 10:02
Hi,
I did my first test with the converter yesterday -> I simply try to open a VOB file (certainly not the VIDEO_TS.VOB -> all the others in the asset 01)
I ended up with an error -> missing plugin :confused:
Plugin, what plugin?
THX Daphy
thomaz909
17th June 2005, 11:36
this is the worst collection of applications i have ever used. the divx player gui runs with 5 fps when moving the gui :) installers and application wants to connect to the internet and do what ? explain me mister DigitAl56K what does divx do in the internet. is it a browser and why does it start hidden processes 10 times during installation. u want to do some hacking action on my pc ? and wtf is divxcreator. may i laugh ? for me im finished with divx and will change to good old xvid. thanks for killing the divx project and create a cheap looking/feeling quicktime,realplayer product.
Great Dragon
17th June 2005, 12:37
I have an error msg when playback DIVX 5.0 file via Media Player Classic.
Unhandled exeption in mplayerc.exe (DIVXDEC.AX): 0xC0000005: Access Violation.
If using native DivX Player or Windows Media Player - everything is fine :(
288GTO
17th June 2005, 12:53
hello all, the improved quality sounds great but i'm having a problem. I installed not opting for the trial to just be able to use the codec, restarted and when I try encoding to divX with GK/V-Dub i get this message "Video compression error: An unknown error occured (maybe corrupt data). Error code -100" My .avs script has converttoYV12() in it, I tried with and without, also tried removing all filters. I also tried installing the HeliumBuild and got the same error. But when trying the DivXConvert it was okay. My script converted fine with XviD, what am I doing wrong?
I've made the same experience like 12gage. Has anyone got an idea?
Has anyone already successfully converted a movie using GKnot/V-Dub & DivX6?
288GTO
288GTO and 12Gage: Can I have a little more information on the source clip you are trying to encode, resoution, fps, AVIsynth script.
12gage
17th June 2005, 20:50
Gej: Source= DeadWood DVD Disc (.d2v), fps= 23.97, .avs had DeGrainMedian, RemoveGrain, and UnDot. But also tried without any. Can't remember res. (sorry i'm at work) if this isn't specifc enough i'll post the rest when i get home. thanks for the help
#################BEGIN#################
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\AviSynthPlugins\Undot.dll")
loadplugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\degrainmedian.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE2.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\DeadWood_D4\110.d2v", idct=0)
#The above line is correct to deblock your Mpeg2 source
#Only Use Deblock() if the source is AVI
trim(0,0)
Lanczos4Resize(512,288)
undot()
converttoYV12()
DeGrainMedian(limitY=5,limitUV=10,mode=2)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
undot()
###############END###################
DigitAl56K
17th June 2005, 22:08
@Hyper Shinchan:
The new format is very different from the old one. DivX 3,4, and 5 content, as it was officially defined for DivX Certified profiles, essentially comprised a DivX video stream with an MP3 audio stream in an AVI file.
We have extended the format specification to include many advanced media featues: interactive menus, chapter points, video tags, subtitles, alternate audio tracks, and some other bits and pieces that will become useful later down the road. As we began our design, one of the key goals we wanted to meet was backwards compatibility with existing DivX Certified devices. We have a lot of users who own DivX Certified DVD players, and we wanted them to be able to download DivX media files, including the advanced media features, and be able to watch them in their existing player. This reason, along with other secondary concerns (such as past research we had done on the ability of typical devices to parse other containers) led us to a RIFF-structure schema.
Through foresight and planning, we ensured that when we first created the DivX Certified progam for manufacturers it already contained support for alternate audio tracks and subtitles, and even though we did not expose these through our software products or SDKs these features have always been tested as part of our Certification process. This means that today you can take a DivX media file with subtitles and multiple audio tracks and enjoy it on your TV using your DivX DVD player.
Certified DVD Players that do not yet support all of the advanced media features will play the main title from a DivX media file. These players did not necessarily contain the embedded logic to specifically handle the new features, like menus, video tags, and chapter points, and so we carefully researched means to integrate these into our format in a way that caused these players to skip over them. Much research and development time was invested in order to create the magic that makes DivX 6 work :) While you see a container that looks similar to AVI, we see thousands of hours of compatibility testing.
Each of the components in a DivX media file is also somewhat specialized. Subtitles use the XSUB format, video tags use the XTAG format, menus use our own menuing format, etc., and this leads me to your next point...
There are a lot of technologies out there on the market, codec or otherwise. You say that DivX codec is similar to XVID. Yes, it is, but at some point in time we have to stop focusing solely on technology. What use is any technology if it does not fulfil your needs? Let me use the new shiny H.264/AVC as an example. Commonly touted by technology purists as the be-all and end-all of video compression, how does AVC help you create a rich content experience? It doesn't. On it's own, no codec technology does. On it's own, no container technology does. When you buy a DVD (if you buy a DVD.. ;)), do you put it back on the shelf if the studio used the wrong MPEG-2 codec? Do you even care which codec they used? Do you even know what the codecs they use are? :)
At the end of the day, all of these technologies have to be brought together in a format for them to be useful. The format ultimately has to be supported in consumer electronics, like DVD players, before it becomes useful to most people (and this includes both the tech-heads and your parents ;)). To make the format supported in CE, you have to have development kits and certification. To ensure the customer experience is good, you also have to have strong certification.
The DivX Media Format encapsulate all of this knowledge, thinking, planning, and execution. When you take a look at the older DivX AVI format, or even at other formats that are out there, they don't necessarily bring all of these pieces together. When you focus on any particular new technology in general, remember that it's not necessarily useful until it's placed into a larger picture.
This is why we built the DivX Media Format, and this is why you should create DivX media files.
</soapbox>
squid_80
17th June 2005, 22:26
A bit off-topic, but what's the plan for a windows x64 native codec? There seems to be rumours aplenty, but no official statement...
bond
17th June 2005, 22:26
DigitAl56K
now i understand it, and i thought you guys created this for getting our money ;)
</anti marketing cynism>
serious: its good to see divx starting to battle DVD directly, but i also think it will be not easy to convince a majority of the people to really choose divx over dvd, after all .divx is not (yet) an industry-wide accepted standard (are the specs even publically available?)
murattttt
17th June 2005, 22:54
Dear DigitAl56K,
We have been fans of divx since the beginning. We were delighted by it and telling everyone about it. However nowadays I can't suggest anyone to install the all new all shiny divx 6. Why? Will their computer blow up? Maybe they will. Since the day that I noticed so many hidden applications tried to connect to the internet (When I wasn't online) and stole my precious cpu time up to 100 % I know for sure that I can't continue using a dodo just because it seems nice. Divx has improved that much but do I get a support directly from any third party program to create my own menus, subtitles, surround audio? No (Then maybe I get - I'm so far from the divx scene, a year sth.). What is the convenience of DVD encoding? There are zillions of back up programs. What if I like to create my own media into sth other than DVD but with multiple/surround audio, menus, chapters. You could do that with fusion but closed it just like Sony did to Beatamax. Yes betamax cassettes were of a higher quality but who cares if you have to spend more money to buy the patents for a higher tech that no one (99%) will notice? Do the math for divx, dr divx and the never existed support on the (non)linear video editing side. Was this so difficult so far? I don't think so.
So keep up the good work. I'm waiting to hear from the least interested guy to hear how super - duper divx (codec and / or the container) is.
ricardo.santos
18th June 2005, 00:12
@ricardo.santos
My standalone plays back the DIVX container with switchable xsub files. An obvious advantage to using a DIVX file is it provides smother seeking (at least on my standalone) than AVI.
this is one thing i have been waiting for a long time but i tried and the xsubs dont looks so good.
my subs are really thin and a mixture of white and red
Ice =A=
18th June 2005, 00:23
First, thanks to DigitAl56K for adressing our concerns about the internet connections that DivX is trying to establish so often. I understand that those are not "dangerous", but do you really need them? Don't forget that especially the hard core useres are the ones that spread a codec (that really hasn't changed over time!) and those will really not like ANY internet connection that is not really (!) necessary!
And especially in this sector, it has become extremely difficult to regain lost trust these days! So be careful what you do!!!
Concerning murattttt's post: I have to confess that I only understand part of it.
Did you really close the new DivX container format? I thought there would be coming out quite some 3rd party development tools for DivX6?!
Concerning the encoding program with too few options (about which here are a lot of complaints):
As I said before: A codec is mainly spread by experienced users, and those want options! A lot of them! :) I don't think the time is ripe for the broad masses to really encode their own videos, is it?
One mor thing (in favour of DivX): DivX has become not only a codec but indeed a complete product and marketing scheme. Thanks to that, we are able to view DivX files (generated on our PC) also in stand allone players in our living rooms. That's a good thing and I'm grateful for that!
There just have to be drawbacks: Since ther is a large base of players for that codec, you can't change/improve that codec significantly, our you will loose that advantage.
So ther will be better codecs, no doubt about that. But DivX is no bad codec for sure, and consider it's advantages, too!
Options, lot's of them, here: http://labs.divx.com/archives/000055.html The multi thread enabled Helium Codec with the additional "Settings" tabs
Ice =A=
18th June 2005, 00:29
Well, good idea, that helium version!!!
It really seems to be geared for the geeks and hardcore users, so maybe you should "market" it as that! :)
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