Nero Recode feature wish list

[JohnV]

Originally posted by AlexeyS
JohnV, can I ask few questions about Nero AVC developing?

Do you plan to make Nero Digital AVC free decoder? I think all codecs must have it to become popular.

Do you plan to make normal GUI for creating DVD-like menus? And will Nero ShowTime play this menus?

Do you plan to make VFW version of Nero AVC encoder? Yes, the plan is to release Free Nero Digital -package, which is a smaller package for encoding and playing. At least AVC decoding should be totally free without time or other restrictions.
Anyway, this is the plan, but not completely official yet, since it's not out.. We said at NAB Las Vegas, that it's gonna be out at the end of May, but I think it depends on many things.

Menus.. can't say anything at this point.
VFW version is not planned afaik.

[Sharktooth]

That is a fantastic news! Thanks for the info JohnV.

[LRN]

feature/bugfix wish list:
1) More stability
2) fix DirectX blocking (can't run DirectX-based applications and Recode simultaneously)
3) Continue recoding from same place, if process was interrupted (stopped)
4) capability to enter sleep mode while recode in process
5) Do not crush on bad files/end-of-free-space errors etc. (at least show abort/retry dialog)
6) Fix "Pause" button. It don't work really ;)
7) (from the field of SciFi) Make encoder through DirectShow or VFW, to use with VirtualDub etc.

[musicnyman]

nero,

are you guys looking at making batch encoding available through the "main movie" option of recode2?

thanks,

[Sharktooth]

feature request:
external audio import (ac3, mp3, ogg -> aac)
external subtitles import (ttxt or vobsubs)
external chapter list import
ttxt subtitles support for nero decoder/splitter & showtime

[Capirossi]

feature request :
VFR rv10 like :D

[bobmaster]

I would like to see:

- Abality to save a project (to encode later) once all the crop/resize/video/audio settings are done.
*Will help incase Recode Crashes
*Also the saved project files could be used in some sort of batch mode

- When encoding files do 1 file at a time. Rather than all the first pass then all the second pass.
*Will help if the program crashes (wont lose as much time/work)

- Save 1st Pass log files
*Not that important, will just be intresting.

- Not crashing/freeze when it hits a "bad frame".


Thank You.

[dvd_maniac]

When is the faster AVC encoding going to be implemented?

Is this an Ateme liscence issue or is there a technical problem with it ATM?

[sigmaris]

I'd like to see:
-support for adding external audio files
-some kind of "constant quantizer" or "constant quality" mode for the video encoder.
-ability to apply the same resize/crop settings to all videos in a batch
-VFR support e.g. by dropping (near-)duplicate frames
-ability to use the encoder via DirectShow (I don't care so much for VFW as i understand there are problems using it with b-frames etc.)

I notice the "Nero Digital AVC Video Enc" filter can already be used as an encoder in GraphEdit but it only seems to output MPEG-4 ASP, also there's no quality settings.

[3ngel]

- Possibility to encode WH sizes that doesn't fit mod16

for example 1024*424. At the moment it scales down to 1024 * 416 no matter what settings of crop or resize i use. I think this a serious limitation, that could be solved with a mechanism of pad & crop (that is auto-adding black border up to 432 to be mod16 compliant and then strip down in playing phase).
I'm very waiting for it :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

I don't know whether this has been requested before but...

When using ShowTime player's "Use SPDIF" output option, could 6Ch AAC be trancoded to DolbyDigital?


Cheers

[lazyn00b]

My big wish: an AVC profile to generate HD-DVD compliant output (i.e. proper GOP length, pulldown(?) flags applied to 24fps film content, AC3 passed through instead of re-encoded to AAC, etc.)

So far the only tool I know of that does these things is DVD Studio Pro 4, which is Mac only, and supposedly conforms to v. 0.9 of HD-DVD standard. Also, it looks like HD-DVD format burned onto regular DVD-5 is going to be "kosher", so we don't have to wait for actual HD-DVD discs/burners to start experimenting.

Same thing goes for Blu-Ray - I know I saw somewhere that Nero was demonstrating Blu-Ray support at a trade show, so why not let us have a taste?

[bond]

Originally posted by lazyn00b
[B]My big wish: an AVC profile to generate HD-DVD compliant output (i.e. proper GOP length, pulldown(?) flags applied to 24fps film content, AC3 passed through instead of re-encoded to AAC, etc.) afaik normal ac3 isnt part of hd-dvd

[lazyn00b]

Well I know that the spec says "Dolby Digital Plus", but according to Dolby, that will be compatible with existing AV receivers, so it's not too much of a stretch to assume that regular AC-3 will work in its place. Also I'm pretty sure (but not 100%) that Apple's encoder is just generating regular Dolby Digital (they call it "Pro", but I don't think that means anything).

[Sharktooth]

Specs are not definitive though, and it seems sony is winning the battle...

[lazyn00b]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Specs are not definitive though, and it seems sony is winning the battle...

For the physical discs, yeah, but most of the reports I've seen seem to suggest that HD-DVD will end up being the content format, if a compromise does indeed take place.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Specs are not definitive though, and it seems sony is winning the battle...

Originally posted by lazyn00b
For the physical discs, yeah, but most of the reports I've seen seem to suggest that HD-DVD will end up being the content format, if a compromise does indeed take place. But whether either of the high-def formats will become a big a world-wide hit as std-def DVD, is very debateable ;)


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

well... with those capacities they can store hi-def MPEG-2 movies without the need of AVC...
Infact AVC is capable of storing HD content in the same space (if not less) of actual DVDs.

[superdump]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but merging of multiple input files into one output file would be good. Also ordering buttons so that you can order input files correctly for the above purpose.

This probably has been mentioned and I've mentioned it before but it still hasn't been done so I'll say it again... ***a bit rate input box so you can type in exact video bit rates***.

That's all I can think of at this moment but I think there was some other stuff I thought of.

[lazyn00b]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Infact AVC is capable of storing HD content in the same space (if not less) of actual DVDs.

Exactly, that's why I'd love to experiment with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray compliant software: I'll probably never buy a blank HD-DVD-R or BD-RW (too expensive!), but I sure do look forward to backing up a 2 hour HDTV show to DVD-R without losing resolution, or maybe a nice quality backup of LOTR:ROTK on one DVD.

Secondly, I just can't wait for some hardware players to come out that support a *real* standard - not this mess you find today in the doom9 player forum with all these half-baked proprietary "profiles" and everybody scouring for firmwares to support this or that little thing that doesn't work like it should. I've got a DVP-642 sitting right here that I've used maybe 5 times total because its so flaky.

[Selur]

"or maybe a nice quality backup of LOTR:ROTK on one DVD."
3DVD ROTK => 1DVD should even be possible now with Xvid
(normaly 1/3 of the average MPEG bitrate as Xvid average bitrate delivers nice quality)

[Elias]

3GPP/MPEG-4 Timed Text (like MP4Box and QuickTime), and anamorphic aspect ratio encoding (like XviD, both pixel and display, PAR/DAR). Since MPEG-4 Timed Text is text based, it will take much less space than DVD subtitles which are picture based, and MPEG-4 Timed Text is MPEG-4 compliant (as opposed to DVD subtitles). Also, the fourCC (I don't know if it's fourCC in mp4) tx3g should be used since it has higher compatibility. Although, it would be cool if it was optional to use the MPEG-4 Timed Text fourCC. A "Direct Stream Copy/Pass Through" option would be cool too, like QuickTime Pro/VirtualDub. Since GPAC MP4Box is open source, it shouldn't be hard to implement this, you can just check out the source code :) ----> http://gpac.sourceforge.net/index.php

[slavickas]

Originally posted by Elias
Since GPAC MP4Box is open source, it shouldn't be hard to implement this, you can just check out the source code :) ----> http://gpac.sourceforge.net/index.php
that way we would have gpl recode ;)

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by Elias
... and anamorphic aspect ratio encoding (like XviD, both pixel and display, PAR/DAR).
It's already there... just unckeck Letterboxing (resize window).

[LRDX]

Originally posted by Selur
"or maybe a nice quality backup of LOTR:ROTK on one DVD."
3DVD ROTK => 1DVD should even be possible now with Xvid
(normaly 1/3 of the average MPEG bitrate as Xvid average bitrate delivers nice quality)

OK, make 1 DVD out of all three LOTR EE films.. :) 32GiB to 4,37GiB, no MPEG4 ASP can handle this..

[kurt]

OK, make 1 DVD out of all three LOTR EE films.. :) 32GiB to 4,37GiB, no MPEG4 ASP can handle this..
omg, and i encoded all three LOTR EE films with XviD and dts sound in mkv on 6 DVD-5 (6x 4,37gb) :D
so it's a matter of taste...

[sorry for OT]

[feedback]

It is really annoying that RECODE won't allow you to burn to a disk when you use the custom setting.

In other words, when I use DVDShr... I can set the output to 4480Mb
and burn to disk. However, with Recode it automatically defaults to the
Hard Disk Folder or Image Recorder in the DESTINATION window. The burner is not even shown in the DESTINATION window.

Only by using the DVD-5 setting will it allow me to burn straightaway to my burner and disk.

Regards,:)

[greggerm]

Now that I have spent time encoding a ton of my movies to Nero AVC, I have some impressions..

* DTS decoding - I'm not sure if I missed it or if I need a plugin, but being able to encode DTS 5.1 into AAC 5.1 would be nice. If I missed that, please let me know!

* Pass 1, Pass 2, Pass 1, Pass 2 - WHen encoding multiple movies, Nero does a first pass on ALL the movies, then returns to do the second pass. Setting it to do one movie to completion (first and second pass back to back) would be better, as it would waste far less time if I had to restart the job or computer. Alternatively, the ability to pause (or save the encoding state) of a job so that I can turn a computer off midstream without destroying the job would be equally welcome.

* Unlock the VOB files when done processing! - Along the same lines as above, it would be nice if it released the files so that I can delete the originals once processing is complete. Currently, it seems to keep its paws on the last VOB file used per movie, not allowing me to wipe out the DVD's directory until Nero is exited.

* Manual Bitrate Entry - Rather than the finicky slider, the ability to type in a desired bitrate. I tend to encode at the same bitrate no matter what, and if I could quickly enter that rate on a field, it would make the task easier.

Thats it from this peanut gallery.

Pipe Dreams....
Linux Version with Clustering Support
Yeah right, but wouldn't it be nice if they had a version for linux which supported the distributed computing models out there? I could set my work network up to munch on movies over the weekend and get a ton done at once. :)

[AlexeyS]

It would be nice to have some muxer to mux audio tracks and video track after encoding.

[dvd_maniac]

This is just an Echo of Greggerm

Pass 1, Pass 2, Pass 1, Pass 2
Unlock the VOB
Manual Bitrate Entry

I came here to make these exact suggestions myself

[Chainmax]

OK, make 1 DVD out of all three LOTR EE films.. :) 32GiB to 4,37GiB, no MPEG4 ASP can handle this..

You are wrong. All three movies last about 681 (208+223+250) minutes together. That would mean that in a 4.37GB disc you would have an average bitrate of 897kbps for video and audio. Using Ogg Vorbis aoTuVb4 @ q4 you would obtain a pretty decent ~96kbps soundtrack. You'd then have 800kbps for the video. Using Sharktooth's eqm_v3ulr custom matrix (http://www.webalice.it/f.corriga/CQMs/eqm_v3ulr_rev3.xcm) and maybe some slight filtering (like RemoveGrain(mode=5) or similar), I bet you could encode at 640x272 in Xvid and produce some pretty nice results.

[jm1647]

I looked trhough this thread and did not see this question.

How about having an option to delete the temporary files after encoding and burning instead of it being done automatically? I hate encoding seperately to save the files and then having to go back and burn. I just upgraded to the Ultra version from the OEM version. The user guide says it is supposed to do this so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.

Thanks