Nero Recode feature wish list

[Elias]

Originally posted by xistan
Off topic, but i think the (swedish) proverb including the rabbit actually translates into Close but no cigar in proper english. Probably :)

[Andrey]

Finally I'm in :)
>>- add external audio input (so more audio tracks can be added to
>>the final mp4).
>>- start/end credits "overquantization" option (to reserve more
>>bits when they're needed...)
Vote for this two with both hands !!!
Also, it would be nice if player will support 2 audio tracks playing sperately AND simultaneously as option. (or I'm too stupid and it is implemeted already ?)
EDIT:
And any cutting/joining tool will be greatly appreciated, of course !

[Wishbringer]

- menues in .mp4-container, e.g. an option to "Recode whole DVD to Nero Digital"
- vbr/abr 2x pass for aac

[Andrey]

>>- vbr/abr 2x pass for aac
Seems to be useleess, try to find Ivan post about 2 pass aac benefits on hydrogenaudio.
He told that rate control quality will not raise with 2 pass encode.

[sillKotscha]

I'd wish to be able to enter a desired filesize below 30MB :)

it's stated: - something like that - "enter your own filesize"

but recode won`t accept anything below 30MB...

esp. usefull for testing avc with clips < 2min

a 2min videoclip with an expected size of 30mb does look fantastic, no question ;) - but what if I'd like to squeeze that clip down to e.g. 2mb

thanks in advance

Sill

[Elias]

Originally posted by sillKotscha
I'd wish to be able to enter a desired filesize below 30MB :)

it's stated: - something like that - "enter your own filesize"

but recode won`t accept anything below 30MB...

esp. usefull for testing avc with clips < 2min

a 2min videoclip with an expected size of 30mb does look fantastic, no question ;) - but what if I'd like to squeeze that clip down to e.g. 2mb

thanks in advance

Sill Just uncheck the "fit to target" and choose whatever size you want for the output. Speaking of bitrates. I want a more precise bitrate slider. When I choose for example, the average VCD bitrate of 1150 for video, it always becomes something like 1143 and the output filesize is always somewhat inaccurate from what the Recode GUI says. And what's up with the audio? Why does it never become exactly 192 kbit but 191.6 or something like that instead? Isn't it CBR? And a manual bitrate input would be great, with no slider or anything like that. Thanks!

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
And what's up with the audio? Why does it never become exactly 192 kbit but 191.6 or something like that instead? Isn't it CBR? No it's not strict CBR. There's some bit reservour so it's ABR although the bitrate shouldn't fluctuate too much.

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
No it's not strict CBR. There's some bit reservour so it's ABR although the bitrate shouldn't fluctuate too much. Well in that case, I got another wish for this list :) The ability to choose between CBR/VBR/ABR.

[sillKotscha]

Originally posted by Elias
Just uncheck the "fit to target" and choose whatever size you want for the output.

lovely :)

thanks for the hint!

[Elias]

The ability to crop between 1 pixels, not just two pixels.

[Manao]

elias : it is not possible, resolution must be at least dividable by two, because the chroma is subsampled ( there is one pixel of chroma for every 2x2 pixels of luma ).

[Elias]

Originally posted by Manao
elias : it is not possible, resolution must be at least dividable by two, because the chroma is subsampled ( there is one pixel of chroma for every 2x2 pixels of luma ). How come it works in VirtualDub then?

[Manao]

You converted the video in RGB ( because virtual dub's filters work in RGB only ), then cropeed, before encoding it in by converting it back to YV12. And the resolution after cropping & resizing had to be dividable by 2.

[Leo 69]

So, what major changes are going to be made to the next NVE release, JohnV ?
Will there be AVC High-Profile, for example ? :)

Leo

[Ariakis]

Importing chapter timestamps from some sort of formatted list, or maybe directly from an .ifo file.

Also, a progress bar instead of a buffer bar that remains empty for hours. :D

[bond]

Originally posted by Ariakis
Importing chapter timestamps from some sort of formatted list, or maybe directly from an .ifo file. good idea!

[billou2k]

One thing that'd be good is to get the support of interlaced encoding soon :)
I've seen a request earlier in that thread about getting a scripting language to allow complex deinterlacing...

But there is nothing wrong with interlacing! If the source is interlaced then encode it interlaced! If you want to play it on a progressive screen then it is up to the software/hardware to handle the deinterlacing to 50/60fps. (deinterlacing to 25fps in my opinion just ruins the fluid motion of the video).

[JohnV]

Originally posted by billou2k
One thing that'd be good is to get the support of interlaced encoding soon :)
I've seen a request earlier in that thread about getting a scripting language to allow complex deinterlacing...

But there is nothing wrong with interlacing! If the source is interlaced then encode it interlaced! If you want to play it on a progressive screen then it is up to the software/hardware to handle the deinterlacing to 50/60fps. (deinterlacing to 25fps in my opinion just ruins the fluid motion of the video). I hope we can include interlaced encoding soon. Technically it is ready now.

[billou2k]

Great News!

[video]

- encoded (AAC) audio softer by approx 8dB than the original AC3 one.

- a stand alone ND player would be great. People who'd like to watch only ND movies, probably don't want to have the whole VE3 package.

[robguy]

I would like NeroVision to allow a user the option of invoking Recode from within NeroVision if a DVD is a little too large to fit on a 4.7GB single-layer disk ... rather than merely offering to make the DVD an LP-quality product.

The only other choice is to rip the too-large DVD to the hard drive, then start Recode to slim down the size of the DVD. This approach is twice as labor-intensive as it ought to be (you have to rip twice).

Just my 2 pennies' worth.

[Elias]

All right, I've done some testing and it's clearly a bug of some sort. As far as MPEG-4 ASP goes, it has some serious problems with quality output because of incorrect output size. I've always had 2-3 mb differences from what the bitrate calculator says in the Nero Recode 2 GUI, but this was just too much. In the GUI, it said 76 mb, and the output becomes 69 mb, and it looks really bad. Then I encoded with XviD at the same bitrate, without b-frames/GMC, and it looked great! Then I tried Nero Digital AVC and it looked almost lossless and it actually became 76 mb. But the playback was pretty... well, not good. It might be my computer? Does AVC require a lot more computer power? By the way, there's no quality difference if I choose b-frames/gmc/psychovisual etc in Nero Recode... it still looks the same as when I don't choose 'em.

[TPoise]

My Nero Recode Wish List:


Standalone Codecs for things I encode with. These codecs should allow people to play my videos with WMP or whatever they choose.
Stop/Start Points for recoding the main DVD video (while keeping the menus) so I can delete the credits in order to have a better compression ratio.
Manually setting the bitrate
Allowing us to see the bitrate would be good too
A Menu Editor a'la MenuEdit (http://maxt.dk/dvd9.to.dvd5/dvd9.to.dvd5.cce.opv.14.jpg) so we can change links to stripped out Bonus Materials to NOPs
Allow more than 2 passes.
Allow for a short "preview" of the recode process. E.G., I can recode 30 secs worth at a selected compression ratio and I can view it against an uncompressed version so I can adjust the ratio for the entire movie based on that quality.

[LiFe]

Why do silly people always want more than two passes?

IMO, if the software isn't smart enough to glean all required info in 2 passes, it isn't fit for use. What can it possibly calculate on the 3rd or 4th pass, that it could've calculated on the 1st and 2nd pass?

LiFe.

[Elias]

Originally posted by LiFe
Why do silly people always want more than two passes?

IMO, if the software isn't smart enough to glean all required info in 2 passes, it isn't fit for use. What can it possibly calculate on the 3rd or 4th pass, that it could've calculated on the 1st and 2nd pass?

LiFe. I don't know, but multipass seems to be a good thing. I seriously doubt that 2pass encoding is MPEG-4 at its best.

[Sharktooth]

I seriously doubt multipass helps quality unless you get oversizes or undersizes.
But the nerodigital rate control (both asp and avc) seems quite accurate and doesnt need Nth passes.

[Shapierian]

The installer could use some work, how about a select none option for file associations and possibly an install recode only option.

[TPoise]

And a de-noiser would be great too for cleaning up those DVDXCopy rips :)

[IgorC]

avisynth has a big collection of denoisers.

[musicnyman]

i don't see batch encoding in the new version that came out on the 19th.

any release date for that? or did i miss it somewhere. if it's not currently available, does anyone have any way of batch encoding using recode2 currently?

thanks

[acidsex]

Batch encoding in recode is simple. You add the video and select your settings and bit rates, and repeat for new videos and then start encoding.

Personally, I would like to see an option to apply attributes to all selected files. For example, if I want to encode 10 seperate videos with various resolutions to a specific resolution, I have to manually adjust each file's settings. Being able to apply one resolution to all selected files would be awesome.

Again, it would be nice to add a video and audio pass through where one or the other does not get encoded but just muxed. I have some old Xvid encodes with AC3 and still want to keep the Xvid quality but use HE-AAC and mux together. But currently, Id have to either rip the ac3, decode, encode, and remux or encode both xvid/ac3 and let recode mux. QT allows pass through, I just Recode would.

edit: Oh yeah, being able to stitch together multiple files would be nice as well like Procoder 2 does. Id even buy the program a second time around for these features I mentioned.

[musicnyman]

Originally posted by musicnyman
i don't see batch encoding in the new version that came out on the 19th.

any release date for that? or did i miss it somewhere. if it's not currently available, does anyone have any way of batch encoding using recode2 currently?

thanks

thanks, but i've been looking everywhere for this option and can't find it. i just have next and it begins encoding the main movie and that's it. when i try and import a new dvd on the first screen, it just overwrites the last one i imported etc...

you talking about nerovision xpress?

i have version 2.2.6.16 of recode2.

thanks for your help.

[musicnyman]

i see what you're saying now. instead of encoding main movie to nero digital, select "convert dvds to nero digital" and you can import multiple titles from multiple dvds.

and i see how you can't define encoding preferences for each movie... but it's better than doing them one by one :) i'd like to add some kind of batch process in the "main movie" part of recode2, so you can add say 10 movies that have different encoding variables and kick them off overnight.

thanks,

[billou2k]

what about the interlaced encoding feature? Is it gonna come soon?

[ChronoCross]

Things I'd like to see

-raw h264 output (since I use other programs to encode audio and demuxing mp4 is just another time consuming step)
-Speed enahancements as always(2fps with no avisynth filters is not my idea of fun)
-Alternate container muxing support(mkv and OGM)

That's all I can think of atm.

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by ChronoCross
-Alternate container muxing support(mkv and OGM)
... mp4 is the ideal and standardized container for both Mpeg4 audio and video.
MKV and OGM are not supported by standalones (and have problems with AVC) and since Nero is pushing for standalones compatibility i think they wont be supported at all...
Face it, MP4 is THE way to go.

[ChronoCross]

@sharktooth

If we always went with the industry standard we wouldn't have xvid now would we =D.

[AlexeyS]

That's what I want to see in Nero Recode:
- VfW version
- DVD-like menus
- feature to add some external audio tracks (for example remove MP3 track and add AC3 audio track).
- some very good decoder for Windows. I can view .mp4 videos only with Nero ShowTime now. Other players have problems with playing this videos sometimes.

[LiFe]

Originally posted by ChronoCross
@sharktooth

If we always went with the industry standard we wouldn't have xvid now would we =D.

How do you figure? Xvid complies very closely to MPEG-4 ASP standard.

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by ChronoCross
@sharktooth

If we always went with the industry standard we wouldn't have xvid now would we =D.
Why? Xvid is following an industry standard called MPEG-4.

[Soulhunter]

Originally posted by Sharktooth

Why? Xvid is following an industry standard called MPEG-4.

*cough* except this little divx invention... >.< *cough*


Bye

[musicnyman]

in recode2, and using "encode main movie", any way to combine the titles that are on the dvd to one mp4 file instead of 4 or 5?

so right now, recode2 is taking my dvd which has 4 titles on it, and creating 4 mp4 files. i'd like to have just one big mp4 file instead.

[Richard Berg]

*cough* except this little divx invention... >.< *cough*
I still don't understand your point. So long as Xvid is MPEG-4 compliant, it doesn't matter how popular it is in relation to its peers.

My wish list can be summed up like so: if you're not going to offer standard vfw or dshow codecs that can be used from any application, then you need to match their features yourself. That means you need VDub's speed and flexibility (e.g. direct stream copy; full processing w/ plugin interface; advanced, scriptable job control), VDubMod's Avisynth editor window, VirtualVCR's capture prowess w/ audio resynch, SageTV's program guide & recommendation engine, Sony Vegas' multitrack editing interface, and so on.

Sound like too much work? Well, you know the alternative :)

[Soulhunter]

Originally posted by Richard Berg

I still don't understand your point. So long as Xvid is MPEG-4 compliant, it doesn't matter how popular it is in relation to its peers.

Erm, seems you got me wrong here... :\

My comment refers to XviD's packed-bitstream option!


Bye

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Soulhunter
Erm, seems you got me wrong here... :\

My comment refers to XviD's packed-bitstream option!Hello me old mate ;)

In what way is this a problem?


Cheers

[Soulhunter]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital

Hello me old mate ;)

In what way is this a problem?

Erm, in a "non MPEG4 compliant bitstream" way?

Or is packed-bitstream spec compliant?


Bye

[bond]

Originally posted by Soulhunter
[B]Erm, in a "non MPEG4 compliant bitstream" way?

Or is packed-bitstream spec compliant?plz not again :rolleyes:

its a borderline case, some say its spec compliant, some say its not (eg bill may from mpeg4ip or michael niedermayer from ffmpeg)

fact is, afaik, that a mpeg-4 decoder doesnt handle playing packed bitstreams correctly by default, but has especially be adopted to do so
also a fact is that if you simply dump the frames of a packed bitstream avi to raw, that you will get a spec compliant, but a crappy/unuseable one (as there are lots of n-vops in it, which dont belong there)

[SeeMoreDigital]

......And according to the guys at XviD. Packed bit-stream was introduced to us all by... DivX: -

http://img193.echo.cx/img193/7641/xvidpackedbitstream1bt.gif


Cheers

[AlexeyS]

JohnV, can I ask few questions about Nero AVC developing?

Do you plan to make Nero Digital AVC free decoder? I think all codecs must have it to become popular.

Do you plan to make normal GUI for creating DVD-like menus? And will Nero ShowTime play this menus?

Do you plan to make VFW version of Nero AVC encoder?

[midnightsun]

my wish list would be:

ability to set the DAR directly (as far as I know, there's no way to set the correct DAR within Recode if you import an avisynth script containing non-square-pixelled material);

ability to import additional and external audio streams and subtitles.

simple as that ;)