Nero Recode feature wish list

[RadicalEd]

Though not strictly recode, this relates to showtime and the directshow filters: wouldn't it benefit Ahead to release a free splitter/decoder for ND? This would allow ND content to reach a wider userbase. Nobody is going to buy Nero just for splitters/decoders, so releasing free versions wouldn't really hurt the company. Just a suggestion.

I fully agree with opening up directshow encoders to external applications, as well. If full codec settings are included in the filter dialog, this would also solve the problem of supplying a more fully-featured UI without sacrificing usability.

[Elias]

-MPEG-4 compliant Subtitles.
-MPEG-4 compliant Chapters.
-MPEG-4 compliant Taging for *.mp4 files.
-Fix the HE AAC encoding bug in Recode 2 so that the sample rate won't be 24 kHz when you choose 48 kHz.
-Add a Monaural encoding mode in Recode 2.
-When encoding in Recode 2, with multiple audio streams, the second one doesn't work. Correct that too.
-Release a codec pack with MPEG-4 splitter, vfw codecs for MPEG-4 audio/video so we can encode to Nero Digital VirtualDub.
-In the same codec pack, an *.mp4 file creator output, that makes fully MPEG-4 compliant *.mp4 files out of any compliant MPEG-4 video/audio, not just Nero Digital.
-The Nero Digital Audio in VirtualDub is for fully MPEG-4 compatible AAC streams.
-The Nero Digital Video in VirtualDub is for fully MPEG-4 compatible video streams.
-A VirtualDub plugin that makes it possible to save to *.mp4 directly by using VirtualDub, so that we can ditch *.avi for good.
-Anamorphic resizing.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias

-Fix the HE AAC encoding bug in Recode 2 so that the sample rate won't be 24 kHz when you choose 48 kHz. There is no such bug. You probably are examining the stream with a software which doesn't take SBR into account. Try checking/playing the file in Foobar2000 and you'll see it's 48khz..

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
There is no such bug. You probably are examining the stream with a software which doesn't take SBR into account. Try checking/playing the file in Foobar2000 and you'll see it's 48khz.. I've checked every player I got being that I don't have Foobar2000 installed. They all say 24 kHz and it sounds like 24 kHz.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
I've checked every player I got being that I don't have Foobar2000 installed. They all say 24 kHz and it sounds like 24 kHz. Those players/decoders are not then decoding the SBR part. I just checked this and everything is fine here.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/foobar2000/foobar2000.exe

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
Those players/decoders are not then decoding the SBR part. I just checked this and everything is fine here.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/foobar2000/foobar2000.exe Even mp4UI says 24 kHz

[kurt]

JohnV:

what do you think: would it be ever possible to use nero avc in VirtualDub(Mod)?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
Even mp4UI says 24 kHz Yes, because it doesn't take SBR into account...

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
Yes, because it doesn't take SBR into account... All right, just checked and it said 48 kHz. I was wrong then. But what about higher bitrates? And will there ever be a Nero Codec pack with vfw in VirtualDub? Not just AVC, but ASP too?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Elias
But what about higher bitrates? Higher bit-rates!

2Ch AAC-LC can be set between 16 - 448Kbps
2Ch AAC-HE can be set between 16 - 128Kbps

6Ch AAC-LC can be set between 192 - 640Kbps
6Ch AAC-HE can be set between 96 - 448Kbps

.... I think this is high enough really ;)


Cheers

[Leo 69]

@ Elias

Nope,there isn't such a bug.I always encode @ 48khz and it works fine!

@JohnV

Kiitoksia paljon Neron kehityksestä! Toivotan sulle hyvää vointia ja menestystä työssäsi :) !!!

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Higher bit-rates!

2Ch AAC-LC can be set between 16 - 448Kbps
2Ch AAC-HE can be set between 16 - 128Kbps

6Ch AAC-LC can be set between 192 - 640Kbps
6Ch AAC-HE can be set between 96 - 448Kbps

.... I think this is high enough really ;)


Cheers If that's the case, then AAC must be better than DTS since DTS can go much higher?

[Elias]

Originally posted by Leo 69
@ Elias

Nope,there isn't such a bug.I always encode @ 48khz and it works fine!

@JohnV

Kiitoksia paljon Neron kehityksestä! Toivotan sulle hyvää vointia ja menestystä työssäsi :) !!! I acknowledged my mistake ;)

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias

-When encoding in Recode 2, with multiple audio streams, the second one doesn't work. Correct that too.
I checked this earlier before the release and worked ok. I'll check again, but I'm really surprised if it doesn't work..

Edit. Yes, this works also fine...

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
I checked this earlier before the release and worked ok. I'll check again, but I'm really surprised if it doesn't work..

Edit. Yes, this works also fine... In what player did it work? MPC, QuickTime, VLC did NOT work here. But that was a an older version. I'll check again now.

Edit: nope, still ain't working.

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Higher bit-rates!

2Ch AAC-LC can be set between 16 - 448Kbps
2Ch AAC-HE can be set between 16 - 128Kbps

6Ch AAC-LC can be set between 192 - 640Kbps
6Ch AAC-HE can be set between 96 - 448Kbps

.... I think this is high enough really ;)


Cheers I'd like to use the bitrate 224 kbit which isn't there. That's why I wanted higher bitrates.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
In what player did it work? MPC, QuickTime, VLC did NOT work here. But that was a an older version. I'll check again now.

Edit: nope, still ain't working. In ShowTime it works. Other players may have problems, but can't help with that.

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
In ShowTime it works. Other players may have problems, but can't help with that. Well, when I extract the second audio file from mp4UI, it's 0 kb. Do you want me to send you the file so you can have a look at it?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
Well, when I extract the second audio file from mp4UI, it's 0 kb. Do you want me to send you the file so you can have a look at it? First try with ShowTime. mp4UI probably has problem also here..

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
First try with ShowTime. mp4UI probably has problem also here.. Nope, ain't working in ShowTime either. Speaking of ShowTime, why don't I get any picture whatsoever? The sound is always working, but never the picture :(

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Elias
If that's the case, then AAC must be better than DTS since DTS can go much higher? You can't compare AAC to AC3 or even DTS using bit-rate alone... AAC is a "high compression" codec!

Your comment is like trying to compare: MP3 to WAV, or Mpeg4 to Mpeg2, or Mpeg2 to DV.avi, or DV.avi to DigiBeta :(


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Elias, you have managed to hijack this thread and are discussing problems that have been discussed and explained in other threads!

Please, have a search round or start a new thread listing all your problems/grievances!


Cheers

[Mindphaser]

I wish an pause or break in encoding with possibility to continue next day or some later. When I used VDubMod or ateme encoder with CLI, I could to use hibernate mode. But in Nero Recode hibernate mode is locked. Would you make it unlocked or maybe you can release other possibilities to stop and off the PC and continue encoding after power on?
And second wish... I find Nero Recode more comfortable to recode DVDs without avisynth, because in that case it can extract sound tracks, chapters and subtitles. But when it is needed to use some filters and to use avs file as input, in that case sound and others created manually :( Maybe it is possible to insert avs script between DVD parser and AVC encoder? With preview. I mean

DVD -> Nero DVD parser -> video -> avisynth script -> Nero AVC encoder
\-> sound, chapters, subs etc
It would be great :D

[Shapierian]

I'd like to see:
-An LPF option for audio
-Better Autocrop logic (On dark videos i've been getting some really strange crops)
-A cropping dialog that doesn't crash when you change the frame displayed (C'mon guys even flask can do this)
-Remove crashes closing the config dialog

[greggerm]

"Continue Later and Exit"
Fantastic idea Mindphaser, and it's one I was looking for as well. Due to the real long encode times that AVC can bring us, I'm finding the computer is spending some "on" time overnight. This tends to upset the girlfriend, who wonders why the computer is on while "nobody is using it". She compares her electric bills before there was a computer in the house, and after we moved in together (*with computer in tow).

Being able to "Continue Later and Exit" would make a great addition. I've never used Hibernate on my PC, but if that could accomplish the same thing, well, I'd look at that too.

Type-In Bitrates
While the slider works OK, it would be far easier to have an additional field where one could type in the desired bitrate (for one or ALL jobs in the queue) rather than slide. I find that to be a quicker, more efficient way of setting up my jobs. Sliders are good for the complete beginner, but I know where I want my bitrate to be. :)

Network/Distributed Encoding
As mentioned previously, having some sort of network encode option would also be nice. I have a HTPC in addition to my desktop computer, and I'm sure using the spare processing power of my HTPC to encode would help make things go MUCH faster.

~fin~

[DeathTheSheep]

MUX raw streams

DEMUX raw streams

VFW/AVI implementation for editing and ease of portability.

Better B-frame handling (encoder side/decoder side). Current implementation creates terrible blocking at low bitrates with B-frames. Just look at *any* objective observation at encodes of 100-600kbps.

Type in bitrates.

Quality Mode

That's about all.

[hubereevez]

please

"support the extra compression of credits"

i did : 7 Mo for 20 min

But cannot join movie and credits without shoppy playing

thanks

hubert

[plonk420]

i second these:
- mux (multi) audio, video, subs
- demux (a la mp4 tool box)
- start/end credits "overquantization" option (like XviD zone weight)
- optional subtitles in DShow players outside of Showtime. audio tracks would be nice, too, but mainly just subs.
- Network/Distributed Encoding (wishful thinking; doubt we'll ever see it, but it would be nice *fantasizes*)


i *don't* second these:
- VfW wrapper for the video codec (we're trying to ween mpeg-4 OFF of AVI, remember? most (or a majority that i've seen) of AVC encodes have been outputed to MP4. to encode to AVI or convert back to AVI is a step back IMO)
- DRM


and here's a new one (i think) .. but again i don't see this one being implemented
- Video source from AVS; audio, subtitles from the DVD structure
or better yet
- AVISynth plugins and/or similar scripting interface to allow for complex deinterlacing and the like


on another note, could the OT posts be split? mods have no prob splitting/moving *other* threads...


Originally posted by Sharktooth
DRM in windows media is "evil"... use google or search the forums to know why...
Remember, if you can see it you can copy it... there is no "perfect" way to protect things...

exactly. Dawn of the Dead WMV9 720p tlr nor my Experience XP (or whatever) DVD with a ton of DRM protected videos either no longer work or never DID work.

[sbp]

I would like to be able to use the encoder from other applications - for me it would be real-time capture from my TV-card.
/Steen

[thegeby]

It would be very nice for us expats to be able to mux .sup or .srt subtitle files into a ND MP4.....:)

[bond]

i want an option to choose what tool i want to install with in the nve package to reduce the bloatery a little bit

and the most important thing:
i want a tool that does cutting AND joining of mp4 files!

Originally posted by thegeby
It would be very nice for us expats to be able to mux .sup or .srt subtitle files into a ND MP4.....:) if you want text based subtitles use the subtitle format defined in mpeg-4
mp4box can already mux these subs (eg convert from .srt)

[thegeby]

if you want text based subtitles use the subtitle format defined in mpeg-4
Just to clarify, what I would like is ISO as a final aim, but first muxing external .sup subpicture files (i.e. not on the dvd), which I think are already used by ND, into the resulting mp4 container.

[IgorC]

More flexible deblocking filter.
last time i´ve ripped some DVD , deblocking -3 was smooth and -4 was blocky. maybe -3.5 will be optimal.

[acidsex]

Personally, I would like some way to pass through the video while Recode does the audio encoding. In other words, I could create a H264 stream from my NLE (which doesnt have access to Nero codecs) and just pass through the video while Recode encodes the audio and muxes to the .mp4 container. That would be sweet.

[DeathTheSheep]

I suppose it would be rather cool, but it's also a rather simple matter to rip out the audio, code it, stuff it back in. Just a few clicks with MP4UI and nero wave editor.

[Elias]

29.970 FPS ---> 23.976 FPS
29.970 FPS ---> 24.000 FPS
29.970 FPS ---> 25.000 FPS
29.970 FPS ---> 29.970 FPS
25.000 FPS ---> 24.000 FPS
etc, you get the point: FPS increase/decrease in recode 2.

[acidsex]

Originally posted by DeathTheSheep
I suppose it would be rather cool, but it's also a rather simple matter to rip out the audio, code it, stuff it back in. Just a few clicks with MP4UI and nero wave editor.

I havent tried it for about a month, but the last time I tried to stuff AVC and HE-AAC into mp4 using mp4ui it didnt work. Has that changed?

[Morte66]

A $150 PCI encoder/decoder card, wrapped in a codec, that encodes H.264 about as fast as an Athlon 3500. Bus-mastering DMA. Patchable firmware. No need for I/O on the back panel.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by acidsex
I havent tried it for about a month, but the last time I tried to stuff AVC and HE-AAC into mp4 using mp4ui it didnt work. Has that changed? Not really!

mp4UI still struggles with Mpeg4/AVC .AVI content. And although it can mux AAC-HE content very well, it can't manage to enable/flag the "HE" ident in ShowTime player :(

But it sounds like Markus is thinking about upgrading mp4UI with the latest mpeg4ip code :)


Cheers

[acidsex]

Does VLC mux Nero AVC with HE-AAC? I thought I saw in the mp4 container FAQ that it did mux AVC.

[Tuesday]

Just my 2p:

During the installer, when you select which file formats for Nero to take control of i would like a "Deselect All" button, to complement the "Select All" one, its not much but would ne nice :)

And i would like to "+1" for:

-Some kind of zoning to kill the bitrate of credits
-To be able select a pre-encoded audio track without re-encoding
-No spinny logo
-A free Decoder package ala the Matroska packs

[Elias]

More bitrate options in Nero Recode; I've found some missing, like 224, 384, 512, 576, 640.

[plonk420]

Originally posted by Elias
More bitrate options in Nero Recode; I've found some missing, like 224, 384, 512, 576, 640.

you can get close enough, tho.. does it matter THAT much to you?

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
mp4UI still struggles with Mpeg4/AVC .AVI content. And although it can mux AAC-HE content very well, it can't manage to enable/flag the "HE" ident in ShowTime playerhe-aac can also be detected when not explicitely signalled in .mp4! actually thats what eg all faad2 based decoders do (eg coreaac and surely nero too...)

[Elias]

Originally posted by plonk420
you can get close enough, tho.. does it matter THAT much to you? You know, there's a proverb that goes like this: "Close doesn't shoot any rabbit." In other words; close isn't enough. And yeah, to me it matters :)

[DeathTheSheep]

I havent tried it for about a month, but the last time I tried to stuff AVC and HE-AAC into mp4 using mp4ui it didnt work. Has that changed?

Absolutely not. True, you can't manipulate AVC video at all with MP4UI.

However, after the file has been created with recode with the AVC track already "stuffed in," you can import/export the audio track seperately, as long as you leave the video track alone. Works like a charm--I just tried it!


Basically, what I'm saying is, you don't have to pass through the video at all. Just rip out the audio, code it, and stick it back in with MP4ui, without modifying the video at all. Oh, Wave Editor is the best Nero Digital audio encoder out there, y'all. ;-)

Peace out, y'all.

[Sagittaire]

My proposition for Recode (Nero user with Siemssen ... :D )

Video improuvement
- Pre-process filter for direct DVD backup (simple denoiser for exemple)
- Credit encoding part (MPEG4 ASP/AVC doesn't like credit. We must choose the quant/quality for credit part: it's very important for average bitrate on film part)
- choose ratio/offset for bframe (too high by default for me with Nero ASP)

Audio improuvement
- VBR for HE-AAC and LC-AAC
- Quality preset like Nero Burning Room
- Perhabs ABR 2 pass mode for AAC like WMA9 Pro

[vsv]

Authoring tool for creating HDAVC with HE-AAC, subtitles and menu,
based on Bond's SW bt script:)
This HDAVC content on CD/DVD with freely distributed player as mpc
must kill WMVHD-DVD!

[LRDX]

Ability to merge titles while recoding to ND - like in "Remake a DVD". (Try recoding LOTR ROTK Extended.. Didnt managed to do it without loosing something - a bit of quality by an anthoner recoding step before recoding to ND, or chapters info / subtitles by using AviSynth to merge..)
Variable bitrates for audio (like in "Encode audio files" - if not, pls have this program to open AC3 files :) ) Encoding audio could be done before encoding video.. Or are there any barriers before a AVC + (2+)x VBR HE-AAC (+subs +chapter +etc)?
More options controlling audio compression: example: Sampling freq (Don't know why pursing 48kHz instead of 44,1kHz.. No one hears in the range of 22-24kHz, and needs ~5-10% more of bits..) / No. of channels / normalizing / gain / etc.
Chapters info not stored in a private way, but MPEG-4 way.
TTXT subtitles (Either via OCR-ing VobSub-s, or via importing SRT/SUB/etc. files)
More audio/subtitle streams.
Encode start/end credits to lower bitrates.
AVC high profile

Menus are also welcome, but I feel it cannot be done withing weeks.
Multiplexing is not a feature I wish to see in Recode, but in a separate tool - Right now, one is buggy as hell, anthoner lacks AVC support..

[xistan]

Originally posted by Elias
You know, there's a proverb that goes like this: "Close doesn't shoot any rabbit." In other words; close isn't enough. And yeah, to me it matters :)

Off topic, but i think the (swedish) proverb including the rabbit actually translates into Close but no cigar in proper english.