looking for a cartoon source for the next codec comparison [Archive] - Page 4

darkavatar1470

10th April 2005, 01:27

I don't think Gankutsuou even started when Animatrix came out, it should be something else. The director of Cowboy Bebop ( who did the nearly B&W detective-trinty chase in Animatrix ) started a new TV series called "Souse no AQUARION" last week,(wrong, see below) and there's loads of action, yet the background is full of detail, not to mention fluent 3D-CG mecha battles. I think this is going to be one of the best TV anime of 2005.... actually, I think the CowBoy Bebop Movie might be a good choice, too, but I don't have it, so I'm not that sure.

there's a version of Evangelion Movie(s) that puts "Evangelion:Death"(60min recap edited from the TV series) & "the END of Evangelion"(90min "real" ending of the story) total run time of 2:37 on one DVD, and it looks ugly on an 1-CD encode i did yesterday. not really action-packed, but rapid scene changes and flashes b&w words between them (dont know how to describe that) every few seconds is a hard task for the codec, i think. first pass is 2Gigs on 704x396 24fps h263 quant btw

ppl are known to be disgusted by eva-movies though, but so does Akira, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem i hope....

Edit: My brain betrayed me and mixed up names... The director of "AQUARION" and most of it's staff are from the Macross series, not cowboy bebop.... that explains the great 3D & Backround, because the recent OVA Macross Zero is full of it.

Mug Funky

12th April 2005, 05:27

no go on Eva. doom9 will be wanting to kill that panty-waste Shinji by the time the 1st pass is halfway through. the only good bit is the "sticky hand" scene (hehehe).

Worst one I have is "She, The Ultimate Weapon" DVDs, the telecide pattern changes whenever there's a scene change, and 30fps blend transitions over two telecided stream with different pattens....

that series was the second saddest thing i've ever seen animated. good show, though. just a real tearjerker. i don't like the american name though... "saikano" is way catchier... hehe. you oughta see the r4 version. for some reason it's 4:3 letterbox, though the original source (that, alas, never made it here) was quite probably full-height anamorphic, 24fps. grrr japan. it's field-blended, too :)

Shinigami-Sama

12th April 2005, 05:51

Originally posted by Mug Funky
no go on Eva. doom9 will be wanting to kill that panty-waste Shinji by the time the 1st pass is halfway through. the only good bit is the "sticky hand" scene (hehehe).

that series was the second saddest thing i've ever seen animated. good show, though. just a real tearjerker. i don't like the american name though... "saikano" is way catchier... hehe. you oughta see the r4 version. for some reason it's 4:3 letterbox, though the original source (that, alas, never made it here) was quite probably full-height anamorphic, 24fps. grrr japan. it's field-blended, too :)
thne by the Japan R1 disks :P
and if you realy want quality jsut acquire a "backup" avaible through many groups and "borrow" their subs :P
maybe the RahXephon OAV would be a good choice but IIRC it;s almost 3 hours long

Zarxrax

12th April 2005, 16:54

Doom9, just something I happened to think about, this isn't any sort of attack or anything, just an open suggestion. Why add another dvd source to the comparison, animated or not? All the codecs have matured to the point where the images in your guides are practically useless, because the quality in them is so high you have to really strain to see any difference at all most of the time. With something like anime, the quality of the encode lies mostly in the filtering anyways, not the codec used.
So instead of adding another source that will probably show no new and interesting data to the readers, how about choose a source OTHER than a movie, which can truely show the faults of the current codecs. Music videos for instance. Perhaps bootleg concert videos. Lots of smoke and stuff, constantly moving unsteady camera. The toughest things out there to encode are probably Anime Music Videos, which are amatuer music videos created by hobbyists. These things really take the codecs to town. Imagine a 4 minute video with 50-100 crossfades. A 5 minute video with constant fast motion. A 3 minute video full of strobing. I came across one divx encoded video thats only 3:10 long, that clocks in at 374mb. Sadly I've done worse myself, creating a 5-second segment that was 45mb :D There are even some videos, such as the DDR Project, and the Retro Video Game Project, which clock in at over an hour in length!

Mug Funky

13th April 2005, 16:34

interesting point there, Osaka.

if we're adding more diverse sources to the list, why not something like homeshot DV - this stuff generally compresses alright, but a high noise floor yields some surprises (QuEnc went crazy in 1-pass mode when the picture went dark and all there was was low freq moving blur, plus heaps of grain, plus a near-back background. for some reason bitrate spiked at over 12mbps constantly during this dark scene).

it'd definitely be good to see some testing of sources that aren't perfectly smooth to begin with - after all, noise is signal too as far as a codec is concerned, and how it handles it is still important.

perhaps codecs could be tested on both their handling of typical sources (the ones we're enjoying now) and also "problem samples", like what we get with testing audio codecs. that means we can test both the peak and the average of codecs, so to speak.

these are just ideas btw...

Doom9

13th April 2005, 18:01

DV? Interlaced? Hell no. It's a DVD backup comparison people. I couldn't care less for DV (interlaced is evil) or music videos (don't like them).

darkavatar1470

15th April 2005, 14:31

Edited my previous post....make a big mistake....

that series was the second saddest thing i've ever seen animated. good show, though. just a real tearjerker. i don't like the american name though... "saikano" is way catchier... It's originally there as a sub-title,
and I thought more people could understand that
hehe. you oughta see the r4 version. for some reason it's 4:3 letterbox, though the original source (that, alas, never made it here) was quite probably full-height anamorphic, 24fps. grrr japan. it's field-blended, too hmm, what a coincidence...
the Taiwan R3 NTSC version is also 4:3 LetterBoxed,
but the fields are ok, I managed to YATTA them perfectly
I guess the source is made that way,
so R2 DVDs are probably the same...and if you realy want quality jsut acquire a "backup" avaible through many groups and "borrow" their subs :P
maybe the RahXephon OAV would be a good choice but IIRC it;s almost 3 hours long
I don't quite belive in the quality of those fan-sub groups, so I'd rather do it myself....and i remember there's a rule not to talk about that in this forum.

The Rahxephon Movie is approximately 1:56 , and i did a good-looking 1-CD encode some time ago, so it might not meet Doom9's demand of an ugly-looking encode. It has almost nothing to do with the TV series, they edited a totally different story line with less than 30 mins of new scenes, and turned a sort of eva-like-mystic-philosophy-thingie to a simple SF Love story. (compared to the original)
Personaly, I like both of them very much.

(uhrg, got into anime lecture mode again...sorry for the OT...)

Doom9

15th April 2005, 16:55

I don't recall the name of the series I mentioned a bit back.. I think it has a 7 or 0 in the name and from the looks at the few scenes they showed in the Animatrix extras.. it seems to be underwater and action packed.

I always figured there's a lot of action packed Anime (be it series or movies).. am I so completely off track? Looking at dramas and other "slow" stuff is a bad starting point for a codec comaprison.. that's the easy stuff.

Shinigami-Sama

15th April 2005, 20:01

@darkavatar
how is it illegal of you already have a legit copy?
and I like fan-subs better than corperate ones anyways more true translation not colliqulaized

back on topic
I;ve been thinknig of buying the ninja scroll dvd the movies is 94mintues or so it says on my vhs
but then again ninja scroll may be a bit explict for here
you can get it off hte manga entertainment webiste I can't ermbmer het url right now though I'll edit it back in when I remember

zettai

16th April 2005, 08:42

Originally posted by Doom9
I always figured there's a lot of action packed Anime (be it series or movies).. am I so completely off track? Looking at dramas and other "slow" stuff is a bad starting point for a codec comaprison.. that's the easy stuff.

Sure, there's a lot of action packed stuff... but none of the action packed movies or series are encoded progressive. This is the main limitation in what you want, not the variety that anime has to offer.

I haven't checked out the Dead Leaves dvd but for progressiveness but what I know about the anime suggests it is very action-packed and potentially hard to encode. Anyone here have that dvd and care to comment?

darkavatar1470

17th April 2005, 03:32

I don't recall the name of the series I mentioned a bit back.. I think it has a 7 or 0 in the name and from the looks at the few scenes they showed in the Animatrix extras.. it seems to be underwater and action packed.uh , maybe it's Blue Submarine 6. Lot's of underwater 3D action. It's a 4 part OVA, 30 min each, putting them all on one CD might be interesting.
I guess i'll get Animatrix and check it outI always figured there's a lot of action packed Anime (be it series or movies).. am I so completely off track? Looking at dramas and other "slow" stuff is a bad starting point for a codec comaprison.. that's the easy stuff.even action packed Anime can be compressed pretty well, and there's not much 2hr+ movies to make it hard enough.

If theres no limit on the number of source DVD's, then putting a 4~5 part OVA on one CD should be challenging, OVAs tend to have fast-paced story, more action, detailed background and characters are more complex.(more lines on hair, clothes ect.)
Encoding each episode sepreatly limits the rate control¢w it has less bits to distribute, so it should be a harder job.

I'd recommend Macross Zero, five 30 min episodes, flying 3D transforming mecha, lots of missiles, smoke and explosions all over the place, and everything have just too much detail...nice plot and music, too.

how is it illegal of you already have a legit copy?
and I like fan-subs better than corperate ones anyways more true translation not colliqulaized I live in Taiwan, and bought the legal R3 DVD about a year ago...and i buy R2 DVDs if there's no official version or if it's a bad master.
I know it's just a matter of taste, but the quality of chinese fan-sub traslation are going down the hill these days... on the other hand, major companies are doing a suberb job on video & trans quality, so I'm looking forward to it.

Sure, there's a lot of action packed stuff... but none of the action packed movies or series are encoded progressive. This is the main limitation in what you want, not the variety that anime has to offer.thats the main problem... you'll have to ask Mug Funky or anyone else living in PAL land on what's progressive....

Doom9

17th April 2005, 12:05

maybe it's Blue Submarine 6Yes, that name does ring a bell. Is it available on DVD?

And when looking at a series, I'd pick just one episode and encode it to a smaller size like I did with futurama (there I set the target size to 1/4 CD for one 22 minute episode). It also saves me some encoding time, which is a good thing.

dragongodz

17th April 2005, 12:47

i know Blue Sub 6 is avalable here in Aus on dvd(2 dvds to be exact from memory). havent bought it though so cant say what its like(progressive etc). :)

Mug Funky

17th April 2005, 14:31

@ dragongodz: who puts Blue Sub 6 out? i've not heard of it (it's not Siren entertainment, is it?).

it's by Gonzo and licensed by Geneon (IIRC), so it's probably a hybrid in NTSC land and a field-blend in PAL land. as far as i know, only Manga Entertainment bother with progressive PAL for series (and their titles can be counted on the fingers of 1 hand).

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originally posted by darkavatar1470 I'd recommend Macross Zero, five 30 min episodes, flying 3D transforming mecha, lots of missiles, smoke and explosions all over the place, and everything have just too much detail...nice plot and music, too.

wouldn't that be an atypical source? Macross is pretty old, and what i've seen of it is grainy as hell. unless Zero is a remake?

thats the main problem... you'll have to ask Mug Funky or anyone else living in PAL land on what's progressive....

sadly, both Japan and the USA don't appear to know what PAL is. as i said above, only Manga Entertainment seem to care about PAL land - not surprising for a UK based company - and everyone else just expects you to standards-convert to the format of choice (or, like ADV used to, do the conversion themselves and send field-blended PAL tapes... however, our standards converter is slightly better than ADV's, so although it's more work at this end, it's better for the DVD if they just send NTSC tapes).

it's too bad DVD came in before 100% of TVs can be 100% guaranteed to handle all formats. then standards conversion would be completely unnecessary. but alas, we don't live in those times yet, and probably wont for many many years to come.

zettai

17th April 2005, 14:39

Macross Zero is the new shiny OVA... but as it uses tons of CG and is designed for a video rather than a theatrical release it's probably fully interlaced.

dragongodz

17th April 2005, 14:44

who puts Blue Sub 6 out? i've not heard of it (it's not Siren entertainment, is it?).
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/mech/search.zml?f=title&q=blue+submarine&x=0&y=0

distributed by Shock(???)

Macross is pretty old, and what i've seen of it is grainy as hell. unless Zero is a remake?
prequel actually. made in 2002.
http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1129,ydnqvj,macross_zero.html
dont know if its been released outside of Japan though.

EDIT:
wow look at the time between each volumes release. :eek:
http://www.robotechcompanion.com/macnews.html

Mug Funky

17th April 2005, 14:50

distributed by Shock(???)

hey, i didn't realise they were into anime (get off my turf, dammit!). it'll be Kaliedoscope - a division of Shock records. they put out "Black Books" and a few other ABC titles.

(PS - sorry, doom9... i'll be more on topic from now on :))

lamer_de

17th April 2005, 15:29

Macross Zero is unlicensed and will stay it for a while, cause there's a quarrel between companies/persons involved afaik. I doubt doom9 wants to shell out 50 bucks for 1 episode (=250 USD for 5 episodes) with Japanese only language and no subs.

The Kenshin OVA (http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/iDuvOntSMh5axwJ0Au/browse/item/59401/4/0/0) is supposed to be pretty good, should have some sword action and is at least available as R1 (don't know about a EU release, but it's rather old as well, so there's a chance). You can prolly get it cheaper as well, there are cheaper online retailers than rightstuf.

CU,
lamer_de

iwod

23rd April 2005, 04:55

The Kenshin OVA is great. I have the orginal Janpaness one. So may be it is no use?

I don't mind sponsor / donate to Doom9 for money spending on Anime DVD. Just as long as he get a Anime and not a cartoon.

LordRPI

23rd April 2005, 06:25

Ebichu - gotta love that show.

Shinigami-Sama

23rd April 2005, 06:44

Originally posted by LordRPI
Ebichu - gotta love that show.
ecchi!
*smacks rpi*
no weird crap like that =_=
no weird hamster sex thing crap
hmm
ghost sweeper mikami mioght be progressive it's brought out my manga after all
and it about 60min
so..

LordRPI

23rd April 2005, 07:57

Originally posted by Shinigami-Sama
ecchi!
*smacks rpi*
no weird crap like that =_=
no weird hamster sex thing crap

What about lamer_de?

Doom9

23rd April 2005, 10:59

I have the orginal Janpaness one. So may be it is no use?It just has to be progressive and have at least English subs so I understand something (I don't mind not understanding the spoken language... I have a handful of original Japanese movies, as well as HK flicks and some Korean and Spanish movies where I have to rely on subs).

Oh, and they need to really stress codecs at reasonable settings (300kbit/s video bitrate is not reasonable). I'm willing to go up to 192kbit/s MP3 to make things harder, and put quite a few eps on a CD (more than 2h worth of video if it's a widescreen movie.. if it's fullscreen, might be a little harsh to put matrix-length 4:3 material on one CD with 192kbit audio). So this requirement basically means you have the DVD, have encoded it and can vouch that at the used settings (I need to know them obviously), it is really hard to encode (if you want a reference of something that is really hard to encode, use Matrix3 with the settings from my latest codec comparison).

SeeMoreDigital

23rd April 2005, 11:40

Over here in the UK on Saturday 11:00 on ITV1, we are able to watch the new CGI version of Captain Scarlet (http://www.fanderson.org.uk/epguides/ncseg1.html).

It looks very good indeed :)

Cheers

iwod

24th April 2005, 04:39

Um... looking at those requirement i would have to seriously test some of my sample first. But i only have time after May ( June - July ) since i have got exam coming up....

Doom9

3rd May 2005, 22:55

so Jin-Roh is quite okay.. Dead Leaves is, well, insane. I could imagine using this for torture (run stuff like that on all walls of a small cell and prevent the prisoner from sleeping). It fits the hard to encode criteria though. So far I've seen one out of the 4 standalone complex eps but it wasn't quite hard enough.

Is there anything with Dead Leaves complexity in TV ep length and that has a story that at least partially makes sense and doesn't drive you mad?

Mug Funky

4th May 2005, 09:18

Is there anything with Dead Leaves complexity in TV ep length and that has a story that at least partially makes sense and doesn't drive you mad?

i told you to have a few beers first :)

unfortunately, as far as complexity i can't think of anything that's not a hybrid, or anything that doesn't drive you mad (i'm thinking FLCL or Abenobashi for complexity and madness).

i guess it's part of the nature of anime that it'll be hybrid, at least for the next few years - it's made NTSC, uses motion-graphics (30p), and is made for TV (well, the episodic stuff is).

and the trend in anime movies is that they mimic regular movies quite closely - big sweeping scenes with simple pans - easy to encode - interspersed with quick action bits, which a good codec will have enough bits to spare to handle well.

[edit]

here's a thought - since you're after a difficult source, but modern codecs are handling anime so well that there are none, why not just try to fit more eps on a disc? like a full 6-episode DVD to 1 CD or something. that'll be more taxing i think.

Doom9

4th May 2005, 22:15

well.. my standalone complex rip has the following properties: 5 eps à 25 minutes per CD, along with 192kbit/s VBR audio in the AVI container for maximum overhead. Yet, the first ep I watched still looked way too good, and I don't really want to test codecs at 400 kbit/s.

I'm wondering about one thing though.. animated content is either created by hand or on the PC. Both are inheritently progressive.. then why is there so much hybrid stuff? Why not make the whole thing 30p for digital TV broadcast, and cripple it for crappy TVs?

Leak

5th May 2005, 10:19

Originally posted by Doom9
I'm wondering about one thing though.. animated content is either created by hand or on the PC. Both are inheritently progressive.. then why is there so much hybrid stuff? Why not make the whole thing 30p for digital TV broadcast, and cripple it for crappy TVs?

Well, just animating 24 frames per second (or 12, or 8, or...) is easier (and thus cheaper) than doing full 30 frames per second. Also, it's easily converted to PAL (if someone doesn't just dump it into a blending standards converter... :().

That's the two reasons I can think of off the top of my head...

np: Autechre - Part 6 (XLTronic Radio 25.01.05)

Doom9

5th May 2005, 10:39

well.. 24fps animation stuff is also progressive ;)

SeeMoreDigital

5th May 2005, 11:01

Originally posted by Doom9
Why not make the whole thing 30p for digital TV broadcast, and cripple it for crappy TVs? I wonder, can 30p content actually be correctly decoded by receiving and display equipment?

I only ask because over here in the UK there has been some technical debate as to how (the proposed) 720p media should be broadcast ie: at 50fps or 25fps!

Over here in Euroland we have already have DVD players and display equipment capable of correctly reproducing 25p video, so we know it can work.

Cheers

Shinigami-Sama

5th May 2005, 22:29

720p scares me it has more verical res than my hd tv... which realy only has 540
if you raly want you try hte newly released naruto movie thats about an hour and a half long not sure if it's progressive or not though but being naruto I get it can be compressed easily enough, could try Kai DOh Maru thouhg it;s only aobut 45 min long and I think I ivtc'd it to 24p not sure though that was a long time ago and I don't wanna have to look thouhg my pile of backups..

darkavatar1470

6th May 2005, 14:31

Originally posted by Mug Funky
unfortunately, as far as complexity i can't think of anything that's not a hybrid, or anything that doesn't drive you mad (i'm thinking FLCL or Abenobashi for complexity and madness).
...and there's something new to add to that list... Futakoi Alternative - it's even crazier than FLCL and there isn't any meaning to the plot either... good directing & scene cuts makes me think its acually GAINAX in disgiuse..... Originally posted by Doom9
I'm wondering about one thing though.. animated content is either created by hand or on the PC. Both are inheritently progressive.. then why is there so much hybrid stuff?for some unknown reason, they like to use 30fps for the CG effects, but the rest is still telcided from 24...and post-production editing is usually done after the telcide....
i do have one "Elfen Lied" R2 DVD thats totally progressive... i think it uses repeat frame instead of telcide though...
Originally posted by Doom9
Why not make the whole thing 30p for digital TV broadcast, and cripple it for crappy TVs?
i guess since the directors & storyboard plotting were all trained to do everything in pseudo-24fps (mainly 8fps), and telecide it for TV broadcast, it should take a while for the industry to produce true 30p stuff.

lamer_de

6th May 2005, 15:38

Again, as doom9 said before, he won't get stuff without subtitles, so proposing stuff like Naruto movie, futakoi alternative or even EL (there will be R1 DVDs for that one, at least) is pointless because you can't buy it with subs yet. It's nice and cool that you all watch fansubs, but that's not really helping here ;) KaiDoMaru is only 47 mins long, so probably won't be much of a challenge either (although I only watched excerpts of that yet).

CU,
lamer_de

Mug Funky

7th May 2005, 08:22

leak:
Also, it's easily converted to PAL (if someone doesn't just dump it into a blending standards converter... ).

hey! i do that...

unfortunately that's the state of the industry until HDTV gets the kinks ironed out and gets wide adoption by consumers. the only anime i'm aware of that is progressive PAL is the new stuff from Manga Entertainment, and that's because they're getting some of their stuff in HDTV and scaling down - the PAL speedup and downscale is a trivial matter with HDTV equipment, but still frighteningly difficult and expensive in the SDTV world. in most other ways, Manga Entertainment aren't all that good - their subs are dodgy, and they love to cram way, way more audio tracks than anyone will ever need, killing the movie (look at the US release of the remastered Ghost In The Shell - it's got 2 DTS, 2 5.1 AC3, and 4 2.0 AC3, plus loads of subtitles. needless to say the video looks kinda bad).

also some of the PAL masters that get sent to the authoring house will be pre-blended, often using a less advanced standards converter (the one ADV used before they started sending NTSC to us wasn't all that good).

as for why there's so much hybrid out there... because programs like FCP and After Effects will output NTSC rather than telecine. so all effects and edits will take place on NTSC frames, rather than pulled-down 24p.

there isn't enough of a PAL market for anyone in Japan to bother outputting 25p as well (which would be quite simple to do). just like if i were working on a movie, i would take pleasure in shooting overcranked at 25fps, then slowing down for the NTSC world just to get them back for doing the same to us...

darkavatar1470

7th May 2005, 15:52

I'd rather shoot in 24, and repeat a frame every sec for a Pal transfer... it wont be visible in anime because not much is acually 24fps...
because programs like FCP and After Effects will output NTSC rather than telecine
It should be able to output in 24fps, right?

and i'm wondering if the HDTV spec is gong to have an unified frame rate or not... having everything in the same fps makes life easier for all of us.....

Mug Funky

8th May 2005, 17:06

I'd rather shoot in 24, and repeat a frame every sec for a Pal transfer... it wont be visible in anime because not much is acually 24fps...

even on anime it's surprisingly noticable. as soon as there's a pan, you're stuffed. some form of scenechange detection (or static-scene detection) would be good. this doesn't work for live-action though, because any jerk will be seen. a speedup is fine, so long as you don't have perfect pitch (timestretch screws up temporal response, even more than ac3 does).

unified frame rate would be good. i'm not yet sure it'll happen, but at the very least HDTV means everything can play every other thing, which is enough. IMHO the main problem with field-blending from a consumer point of view is that it hurts compression a fair bit, so blocks are more likely. for a field-blend, it's best not to go below minimum 4mbps, even on sugoi-tastic hardware encoders designed to take anything you can plug into them.

SeeMoreDigital

8th May 2005, 17:56

Originally posted by darkavatar1470
...and i'm wondering if the HDTV spec is gong to have an unified frame rate or not... having everything in the same fps makes life easier for all of us..... Yes, a unified frame rate, say 24fps (film speed), would be very useful indeed.

But because we living in an mixed analogue and digital equipt based world, it wont be happening any time soon!

Cheers

Shinigami-Sama

8th May 2005, 19:53

Originally posted by Mug Funky
sugoi-tastic
lmao sugoi-tasic:D

anyways what about vampire hunter d: blood lust?
it;s in english and no it isn't a dub it had japanese subs when it was in Japan or atleasts thats what animeantion said...
anyways it should be a good one to test on, theres a bunch of fast motion parts some paning and such, thouhg I havn't been able to find a copy in any of my local staores yet so I can't tell if it;s progressive or not

rushin_911

8th May 2005, 21:10

Originally posted by Shinigami-Sama
lmao sugoi-tasic:D

anyways what about vampire hunter d: blood lust?
it;s in english and no it isn't a dub it had japanese subs when it was in Japan or atleasts thats what animeantion said...
anyways it should be a good one to test on, theres a bunch of fast motion parts some paning and such, thouhg I havn't been able to find a copy in any of my local staores yet so I can't tell if it;s progressive or not

I had encoded Vampire Hunter D Blood lust some months ago and it wasn't hard to compress (although I did apply some smoothing filters which might explain atleast a part of this ease) and as I recall I think it was progressive... :)

Shinigami-Sama

9th May 2005, 03:36

REaly? hmm I ifugred it would atleast make a codec get winded hmm or I'm jsut not keeping up anymore ~-~

darkavatar1470

9th May 2005, 14:22

Originally posted by Shinigami-Sama
anyways what about vampire hunter d: blood lust?
it;s in english and no it isn't a dub it had japanese subs when it was in Japan or atleasts thats what animeantion said...
There is a japanese dubbed version, and the Taiwan R3 has both dubs... maybe a 1-CD dual audio track rip would produce something ugly enough... but they made some modification to the dialogs so an non eng/jap person would need two different subs for each track...

iwod

31st May 2005, 02:27

Ok, i don't normally purpose stuff like this since i don't classify it as Anime.........

But FF7 - Advent Children looks like have what we want..... :devil:
( Sorry for the Advert.... but it looks awesome. As well as MANY fast moving action )

Otherwise i had another upcoming Anime that looks to fit in.. but i don't know its english name........ :scared:

Shinigami-Sama

31st May 2005, 02:31

iwod

31st May 2005, 03:13

it;s it all CGI?
if it is then it doesn't count, to many fine gradients and stuff like that
yes i know... that is why i sad it is an advert....

( intensinally bumping the thread ) :cool:

Doom9

31st May 2005, 18:43

iwod

31st May 2005, 20:02

since we've already entered IVTC territory, would there be any TV series that can be properly IVTCd (without having half the frames blended) that would also qualify? Encoding a 20 minute source is obviously preferable to a 50 minute source form a resources standpoint (even when I get the Athlon64 X2 )

Totally off topic.... You mean you WILL get a Athlon 64 X2?? :angry:

I want one too! :devil:

For TV it is harder coz , no english subtitle , harder to find a "special ep" inside the series. And normally they are not so good quality.......

Just when i was saying that.... something pops up to my mind that may have what you want. I go and check now. Back in a few hours.

Leak

1st June 2005, 11:09

For TV it is harder coz , no english subtitle , harder to find a "special ep" inside the series. And normally they are not so good quality.......

Just when i was saying that.... something pops up to my mind that may have what you want. I go and check now. Back in a few hours.

I don't think he meant fansubs or TV captures - there's enough anime TV series out on DVD that he wouldn't have to resort to such a source.

GIR

1st June 2005, 23:40

since we've already entered IVTC territory, would there be any TV series that can be properly IVTCd (without having half the frames blended) that would also qualify? Encoding a 20 minute source is obviously preferable to a 50 minute source form a resources standpoint (even when I get the Athlon64 X2 )
My avatar :D Invader ZIM. I'm sure the DVD's are of reasonable quality although they are NTSC :( but the good thing is most eps are ~12min long AND there are some that are 24min long too, it's NOT anime either.