looking for a cartoon source for the next codec comparison

[dragongodz]

Didn't like either GITS and both Mononoke and Spirited Away are essentially Disney movies.. just in Japanese, and I didn't like those storylines either.
Though the story, well, not for me.
Doom9 - lets be honest here, how likly is it you are going to find an anime that you do like AND is good for the test , especially considering you dont like the stories of award winning and considered classic by many anime ? pretty unlikly isnt it ? still you dont REALLY need to like it for it to be useful. ok you may not like watching the comparison part over and over but thats more the nature of the beast and the task you have set for yourself. :D

Akira turned out to be a nice blockfest. And I suppose once I compare it to the source there'll be a lack of details as well. It's about time.
and its been said over and over that Akira is as noisy as hell so OF COURSE is hard to compress. does it represent 99% of modern anime or cartoons though ? no. so using it for comparison will tell nothing about them.

Mononoke probably was the most problematic on the average, but once again, we're far away from terrible results like the ones gotten in Matrix3. Same goes for Spirited away, which imho exhibited less problems, but night and rain scenes were just as bad as in live action.
animation,especially modern and a lot done digitally(digitally painted so very clean), is NOT live action so why do you think it should react the same ? if that were even close to true there would be no need of an animation comparison aswell. Mononoke is more like what most modern animation is like.

If you want to try something relavent, try to find a source episode of Naruto or some other popular anime series.
i agree a tv series may be better since it may provide more seeable differences(trying to get quite a few eps per cd). the rest of your comments i wont waste my time with. :sly:

Prettz - Doom9 has already looked at both Akira and Mononoke. start reading back and you will find his comments about them.

[Doom9]

animation,especially modern and a lot done digitally(digitally painted so very clean), is NOT live action so why do you think it should react the same ? if that were even close to true there would be no need of an animation comparison aswell. Mononoke is more like what most modern animation is like.I asked for something hard and problematic.. doesn't matter what problems it might exhibit (if you want, problems in Akira, though also end up in blocks, are likely to be caused by different issues.. after all the noise on the walls in Matrix1 is now handled reasonably well by most codecs).. but for a 1 CD rip, Mononoke looked rather good. Akira didn't. Now you're saying Akira isn't representative and Mononoke is.. so I really have to question the whole point of this thread.. you're giving me nothing to work with.. do this do that but nothing is okay. That's what you get for listening to people. From now on I'll do it on my own again, that works much better for me and doesn't result in me wasting money and time on a fruitless case :(

I can easily make any movie look bad using ridiculously low bitrates as some people seem to like for Anime.. but this is a darned DVD backup comparison.. not some "how can I get a movie on my 256MB memory stick" comparison. And with that in mind, from the 5 movies I looked at, only one really qualifies as hard for 1 700 MB CD is Akira.

[video]

Originally posted by Doom9
I asked for something hard and problematic.. doesn't matter what problems it might exhibit

go with enya's caribbean blue, not joking. allow 1Mbps video bitrate, and resize to 640x480. xvid exhibiting serious problems even at rate 1.5Mbps. so does ateme.

[dragongodz]

Now you're saying Akira isn't representative and Mononoke is.
of general animation today yes IMO. its up to you how you take that or not and whether the test is designed to represent the majority of animation or just the hard cases. oh and its not just "now" i am saying it isnt i said several times of the last pages and why.

you're giving me nothing to work with.. do this do that but nothing is okay
heaps have given you their opinions on what would or wouldnt be good sources to use buts it up to you to decide how you want to do the test and whats its meant to reprasent.

That's what you get for listening to people. From now on I'll do it on my own again, that works much better for me and doesn't result in me wasting money and time on a fruitless case
then why not just close this thread and do that instead of jumping up and down on people that have genuinely tried to help ?

[video]

http://imdb.com/title/tt0294182/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0179955/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0000350/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0245429/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0095327/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0107688/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0096438/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0167285/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0243017/
http://imdb.com/title/tt0158983/

and so forth...

[Doom9]

instead of just throwing in ANOTHER title how about someone comes up with a good reason Mononoke wouldnt be a good choice.Here is one: it's too easy. There is simply not enough action to make it really difficult to encode.

Frankly I'm beginning to seriously doubt that the content type matters.. an average DVD rip, 700MB for one movie with 128kbit audio.. doesn't seem to be a big deal after all unless the source is noisy, which also is a problem for live action. So, what's so complicated about anime? Messes up sources are a matter for an IVTC filter and not a codec problem, and what I saw in those Anime classics I encoded was not much different from live action. Edges, uniformly colored surfaces, rain, night scenes.. it's all there in live action.

[Tima]

Hmm.. then how about Duck Tales? The typical Disney cartoon, funny enough not to get bored while watching and rewatching.. IMHO. :)

[Zarxrax]

Originally posted by Doom9
So, what's so complicated about anime? Messes up sources are a matter for an IVTC filter and not a codec problem, and what I saw in those Anime classics I encoded was not much different from live action. Edges, uniformly colored surfaces, rain, night scenes.. it's all there in live action. [/B]

Of course its not going to be hard to encode a pristine dvd like Mononoke! A ton of anime out there is encoded like SHIT though. For example, something that is full of mpeg2 encoding artifacts, rainbows, etc. By far the most difficult problem that I have with anime is dark scenes. They just get sooo blocky even if you set xvid to quant 2! A lot of times with these anime, the blocks are present in the dvd source, so what are you gunna do then? Smooth it and lose the fine details?
Also these days, they make most anime with computers. The older anime which actually used cel animation was more difficult to encode.

Working with something like mononoke you ARERN'T going to see any sort of problems that people have with anime. Thats probably by far one of the easiest sources out there! I know Akira has been mentioned a lot, I'm not sure if you checked it out yet though. Long movie, LOTS of dark scenes, lots of action, lots of detail, a ton of film grain.
Although Akira has been remastered to excellant condition so it doesn't exhibit a lot of problems that many anime have, its still a good choice, IMO, because the film grain really kills the encode.

Edit: I see you've checked out Akira already. /goes back to read thread further

[Mug Funky]

if you're after noisy, and full of problems, then look no further than Dragon Ball.

but i hate that show, and i'm sure Doom9 would hate it worse :)

the r4 Mononoke is a field-blend with multiangle (multiangle restricts bitrate a fair bit), so it'll have more problems than the NTSC one. of course it still looks fine on a TV :)

Dead Leaves is pristine clean, and FULL of crazy action sequences.

FLCL (esp. the last 2 eps) is hybrid 30p/telecine and has shitloads of action in it too (also a very clean source in spite of that).

i'd go with Dead Leaves if Mononoke is too easy - it's full of hard edges and "earthquake" motion (which messes up any temporal smoother, so it's just as well no filtering is needed), as well as lots of flashing frames (gunfire and explosions) that'll kill anything that doesn't use multiple reference frames.

[Doom9]

For example, something that is full of mpeg2 encoding artifacts, rainbows, etc.That's why I'm looking for a clean source.. if problems are already there in the source (Futurama is such an example.. it could've used a higher bitrate on the DVD as we're skidding along visible blocks a bunch of times), then things can only degrade from there. And since it's not a contest on filtering...

is Dead Leaves progressive? Hybrid/messed up sources are not an option.. it's not an IVTC and "unmess" contest either. Crazy action sequences are good though.. Akira had by far the most action scenes, and naturally action movies are harder to encode than dramas.

[Zarxrax]

Originally posted by Doom9
That's why I'm looking for a clean source.. if problems are already there in the source (Futurama is such an example.. it could've used a higher bitrate on the DVD as we're skidding along visible blocks a bunch of times), then things can only degrade from there. And since it's not a contest on filtering...

Well, ok I see your point there. But in response to you wondering why people think anime is so much harder to encode, thats my point. Nearly every anime requires you to go through great pains to get the ivtc right, to clean the shitty encoding job thats been done on the dvds, etc. With many regular movies, it might be acceptable to just encode, but with 98% of anime, this is definately not acceptible, and thus why anime is hard to encode.

[video]

Originally posted by Zarxrax
But in response to you wondering why people think anime is so much harder to encode, thats my point. Nearly every anime requires you to go through great pains to get the ivtc right, to clean the shitty encoding job thats been done on the dvds, etc. With many regular movies, it might be acceptable to just encode, but with 98% of anime, this is definately not acceptible, and thus why anime is hard to encode.

I dunno why people think that. Conventional way of making of an animated feature (even if it's made in Japan):
a) having a backround, what is static
b) having key animators paintining the 2-3 caharcters into overheads
c) having panning, sky moving or other things by means of using overheads

still photographing the stuff described above

in case of computer assisted animations:
- better perspective
- having mass movement of characters, with a well defined, but little bit 'dithered' motion vector

look at the above a think it again. It's exactly the same, what mpeg4 thinks about what a movie is.

I think ivtc is not a hard issue in case of mpeg2. ivtc is:
- having exactly 12 frames in a GOP, as progressive has
- having 6 of them with flapped field order

You have to restore these 6 flapped field orders, and go for a ride. We have turnkey mpeg readers for this. The only thing is, that you have to spend half an hour from your life, to understand what 3:2 pulldown is, and to learn to configure DGDecode or whatever you are using to output 23.976fps progressive. Not a big deal.

[Lefungus]

Originally posted by video
[...]and to learn to configure DGDecode or whatever you are using to output 23.976fps progressive. Not a big deal.

You obviously haven't encountered the dreaded "field-blended pal crap" anime dvd. It's just impossible to recover from it
I must admit that restore24 avisynth plugin is able to make it viewable though.

[video]

Originally posted by Lefungus
You obviously haven't encountered the dreaded "field-blended pal crap" anime dvd. It's just impossible to recover from it
I must admit that restore24 avisynth plugin is able to make it viewable though.

okay. there's a lot of half-legal and even illegal stuff sold everywere. speaking anime a tons of sites are advertising and selling them. looking after the comany - you will find some chinese, noname ones. no offense I've shooted myself on foot in 2001 by ordering complete 'northern exposure' from someone on ebay. it was a crappy VHS transcribed shit advertised 'digitally enhanced' read: poorly filtered, color overcooked video, and DD5.1 made possibly from mono source.
What I've learned is:
a) look after your 'must have'-s on imdb
b) figure out where the official copyright owner released it on dvd
c) buy that from amazon

[Doom9]

well.. hard to ivtc != hard to encode.. I really must assume that the source is progressive. interlaced is a long overdue technology to end up in the graveyard of technology and I rather have no comparison that an interlaced comparison.

You can't equal hard to ivtc with hard to encode, especially with tools like dvd-rebuilder that preserve the "fucked up-ness" of the source.

If I were an anime lover, I'd go to great lenghts determining the properties of a source before making any investment into a sub-par release.

[dragongodz]

okay. there's a lot of half-legal and even illegal stuff sold everywere
that has absolutly nothing to do with it and trying to suggest it must be illegal or semi-illegal versions fore them to be crap shows you obviously dont know what you are talking about.
ask Mug Funky sometime about Astro Boy(80's version) that he worked on for the Australian release and what he had to go through with it.

If I were an anime lover, I'd go to great lenghts determining the properties of a source before making any investment into a sub-par release.
when there is only likly to be the 1 release as most series etc get then there really is not much choice.

[video]

http://forum.hwsw.hu/html/emoticons/offtopic.gif

Originally posted by dragongodz
that has absolutly nothing to do with it and trying to suggest it must be illegal or semi-illegal versions fore them to be crap shows you obviously dont know what you are talking about.
ask Mug Funky sometime about Astro Boy(80's version) that he worked on for the Australian release and what he had to go through with it.


when there is only likly to be the 1 release as most series etc get then there really is not much choice.

okay i may be wrong - or not. just wondering if a team produces animated features, speaking 20 min episodes may took a year to develop with an extreme amount of manual work. i cannot imagine that these guys will be happy seing their one year work on poorly authored DVDs.
i dunno how Mug Funky ended up with poorly interlaced, pulled down material as pristine source, because the (copyright) owner of the property is very much interested in having the best possible quality since they would like to earn some royalty - i think, and if the stuff is poor in quality, they are risking that people may not buy the discs.
since i've made (okay that's an eufemism - i worked with) animations, so i know, yes it happens, that we do less than 24 or 25 phases within a second, so some phase is shooted 2 or 3 times - but on film you will have exactly 24 or 25 fps. ok, i can imagine that there are puldown list writer junkies with the idea of compress these 2 or 3 identical frames with RFF - but for that you have to tamper with the film to video process - or cut off frames within your NLE suite. meaningless and superflous thing doing this. dvd has enough room - okay you may put 7 episodes up instead of 6 - what a big challange when pressing a dvd cost approx 25-30 cents (USD cents) today.

bottom line: Doom9 is damm good right on mpeg4 encoding has nothing to do with restoration of damaged/fucked up input...

please don't be frightened, angry or upset - i just talked among myself.. or... whatever...

[dragongodz]

i will let Mug Funky tell you about what crappy sources can be sent for conversion to/for PAL releases if he wishes. he actually does have experience doing this commercially.

bottom line: Doom9 is damm good right on mpeg4 encoding has nothing to do with restoration of damaged/fucked up input..
i agree the test is not about that. never said it was. i just disagreed with your suggestion that crap sources were illegal or semi-illegal versions when its not. i fully understand Doom9 not wanting the hassles of crappy sources. unfortunatly different releases of the same title in different countries can all be done...different.

[Lefungus]

Originally posted by video
okay. there's a lot of half-legal and even illegal stuff sold everywere

It doesn't need to be illegal to be bad. Ghost In The Shell, the zone 2 version released by Pathé is one of those crappy encodings. And it can be bought everywhere in France. I'm not really into anime series, but considering how "high-profile" is GITS, I'm sure I can find many other legal examples of badly encoded anime.

[Mug Funky]

@doom9:

Dead Leaves is progressive, PAL speedup, downscaled from HDTV master, AFAIK. Manga Entertainment seem to be giving all their new stuff this treatment (GitSAC is beautiful, and so is this). hooray for a licensor respecting PAL land!

it's great fun to watch, too. mix fortress with tank girl and maybe a bit of evil dead 2.

back off topic:

videoi dunno how Mug Funky ended up with poorly interlaced, pulled down material as pristine source, because the (copyright) owner of the property is very much interested in having the best possible quality since they would like to earn some royalty - i think, and if the stuff is poor in quality, they are risking that people may not buy the discs.

well, it wasn't just me doing that... but a team of people working almost round the clock. must... never speak... of it... again. it was worth it for the beer and pizza though.

in this case it was a difference between the american version (crap) and the japanese version (good). unfortunately, only the japanese version had been restored, and the US version looked like it was tranferred off 200 year old one-inch tape. noisy, old analog telecine (yes, even NTSC land can have field-blends when prism-style telecine is used) that had been run through an extremely aggressive temporal smooth, and blue was practically nonexistant. so what do you do? you edit the japanese video from one to fit the english audio from the other.

it's not a matter of copyright holders wanting the best product possible, it's a matter of them balancing the costs of remastering or at least sourcing good masters, and what they expect to make from the discs. most people watch the DVD after they buy it, and usually wont return it to the store just because there's field-blending in it.

authoring houses are unfortunately at the mercy of what they get sent. the remastering is supposed to happen before it gets to us, and sometimes it does.

i'd love to be able to run everything through Avisynth, but where things are at the moment, it's simply impossible, for a long list of reasons (Mac and Quicktime being the main ones).

still, don't cry about the quality - it's as good as we possibly can make it, and i actually mean that. everything gets watched, usually several times, and things get fixed if needed.

[Leak]

Originally posted by Mug Funky
Dead Leaves is progressive, PAL speedup, downscaled from HDTV master, AFAIK. Manga Entertainment seem to be giving all their new stuff this treatment (GitSAC is beautiful, and so is this). hooray for a licensor respecting PAL land!

Which version of Stand Alone Complex are you talking about here? At least the US and UK releases have lots and lots of ugly edge dishancement on them - you wouldn't happen to know of one without that?

Actually, I'd recommend Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex (the Ghost In The Shell TV series) to Doom9 (well, maybe not for the codec comparison), as it has almost none of the pseudo-philosophical babble of the movies *and* isn't as dead serious - it's a really good sci-fi cop show that's a lot closer to the manga than the movie (can't talk about Innocence) ever was. Yeah, and it looks gorgeous - except for the EE, of course...

np: Markus Guentner - Track 2 (In Moll)

[*.mp4 guy]

Well I don't watch many animated features, But one of my favorites is the Emporers new groove....(yeah yeah its a disney movie, but its hilarious) and the Animation is quite nice and it would probably represent the majority of animated content pretty well. The one shortcoming is I'm not sure if its dificult enough.

and theres a trailer here (http://www.disney.co.uk/DisneyVideos/groove/flash/index.html)

[edit] this (http://www.disney.co.uk/DisneyVideos/groove/flash/trailer.html) might bypas the flash

ps.First link is a flash site, the second goes strait to the quicktime trailer.

[dragongodz]

The one shortcoming is I'm not sure if its dificult enough.
if Mononoke at 2 hours 13 minutes long wasnt good enough i have doubt ENG at 78 minutes would be either. unless of course it was VERY noisy or had some really hard parts i am unaware of ???

[Doom9]

ENG is currently in the mail.. I ordered it a while back with a bunch of other, non anime, animated titles. But, GITS2 didn't really have less problematic scenes than Mononoke, and GITS2 is about 40 minutes shorter. In fact, a TV episode, clean progressive source with lots of action would be interesting, as it would not mean an additional time investment compared to the last animated source. But ideally, the results should be about as terrible as the Matrix3 ones.. that'll ensure that no changes would have to be made for a few comparison iterations.

[Shinigami-Sama]

I gave up at page 4...
but if you want you could an anime called "air" it;s currently unliceanced<sp?> and I could get "raws" in lossless. If you want I could hte raw also compressed in vble not suer why it;s in htat format though; clean source not to much ringing or noise. Thuohg I'm sure aobut your police on unliceanced anime here on the forums:rolleyes:

Also you could try "Blood the last Vampire" I only have the vhs verstion atm but I'm suprised no-one started it by the fourth page everyone was conectrating<sp?> on Mononoke-Hime and Gits. I hear Naruto will be come over N.America soon you could try that. IIRCH all aer progressive
lookig forwards to the test :)

[Mug Funky]

blood is simply too short i would think... it's barely 45 mins. and again, it's action interspersed with still, clean scenes.

about GitS SAC, i haven't noticed any edge-enhancement going on. if anything, the edges are quite soft.

i'll post a screenshot in a few mins... all i've got handy is the first episode from a sample disc (to be honest i've never done the attachment thing in this forum, so it'll probably be a small mess).

though i think doom9's requirement that it be representative of current anime, plus progressive will mean that literally nothing will tax the codec enough. the japanese don't have such a schizophrenic, MTV influenced editing style that the yanks (and indeed much of the western world) have, and as such there's lots of still scenes.

[edit]
hope this link works...
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/1489/still4pz.th.png

this is off a preview disc, meaning the bitrate is lower than the actual DVD, but it's from the same source as the r4 DVDs. frame saved out of DGindex, unprocessed. there's very very slight haloing on edges if you look hard enough, but i think that's from the resizer used rather than any edge enhancement.

[lamer_de]

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/1489/still4pz.png is the link to the fullsize image. The thumbnail is not clickable in mugfunkys post.

but if you want you could an anime called "air" it;s currently unliceanced<sp?> and I could get "raws" in lossless.1. It's "unlicensed"
2. doom9 wants to backup dvds, not stuff that is not available on DVD yet (and only in japanese at that)
3. Unless you work for TBS, there's no way you have access to lossless sources. If you have access to raws in lossless format (like VBLE), then those have to be conversions from avis.

CU,
lamer_de

[Shinigami-Sama]

Originally posted by lamer_de
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/1489/still4pz.png is the link to the fullsize image. The thumbnail is not clickable in mugfunkys post.

1. It's "unlicensed"
2. doom9 wants to backup dvds, not stuff that is not available on DVD yet (and only in japanese at that)
3. Unless you work for TBS, there's no way you have access to lossless sources. If you have access to raws in lossless format (like VBLE), then those have to be conversions from avis.

CU,
lamer_de
the Air movie comes out on dvd soon too. but I'm just tring ot bring more anime into here thats all

[Leak]

Originally posted by Mug Funky
hope this link works...
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/1489/still4pz.png

this is off a preview disc, meaning the bitrate is lower than the actual DVD, but it's from the same source as the r4 DVDs. frame saved out of DGindex, unprocessed. there's very very slight haloing on edges if you look hard enough, but i think that's from the resizer used rather than any edge enhancement.

:eek: :(

Non horribly edge-enhanced GITS:SAC makes baby jesus cry...

Look at this mess off the RC1 DVD:

http://140.78.145.103:8888/~kp/Stuff/GITS_SAC_01_RC1_31460.png

So I should've been waited and bought the R4s all along? :(

np: Sten - Eccentric (Leaving The Frantic)

[dragongodz]

Leak - thats nasty. goes to show though how the same anime/show/movie in different countries doesnt have to be the same. ;)

[Mug Funky]

DAMN! that's awful...

i can't believe the beautiful HDTV masters were raped like that for such a large market (the US anime market is gigantic... the australian one is comparatively small). you guys should send Manga entertainment hate mail.

i bet they'll release it HD as soon as there's a market for it, and boast huge quality increase (from what i see on the SD master, there's not going to be much difference but a larger frame size in R4 land).

not all of GitS SAC is out in R4 land yet. we're up to v4, and v5 will probably be coming in june. to be honest, i don't even know how many episodes there are in this series.

[Shinigami-Sama]

I;d pay for hd
and sac1 is like 24 or 26
then 2nd gig I'm not sure is out yet
just don't ask how I know k?
good
>.>

[video]

Originally posted by Mug Funky
DAMN! that's awful...

i can't believe the beautiful HDTV masters were raped like that for such a large market (the US anime market is gigantic... the australian one is comparatively small). you guys should send Manga entertainment hate mail.

i bet they'll release it HD as soon as there's a market for it, and boast huge quality increase (from what i see on the SD master, there's not going to be much difference but a larger frame size in R4 land).

not all of GitS SAC is out in R4 land yet. we're up to v4, and v5 will probably be coming in june. to be honest, i don't even know how many episodes there are in this series.

I dunno which snap is better. The first one has better edges and colours, but the second one is better on fractal-kind parts, i mean leaves and clouds. :)

[Mug Funky]

well, i suppose of you were to sharpen the PAL one you'd get the same result on the subtle details (that's what sharpening is for...).

of course, if you do it to the pic i posted you may not see as much detail, as it was encoded for a sampler disc rather than the actual DVD (the sampler is all i had handy... but gimme a day or so and i might be able to show you some pure unprocessed digibeta from a later episode :))

this is sort of OT though...

[edit] here's a frame out of (i think) episode 13 (possibly 14)
i tried my best to keep it at it's original bit-depth, but in the end After Effects didn't really tell me much about what it's doing, so it's been converted from 4:2:2 10-bit to RGB 16-bit and saved as a 16-bit png.

http://img146.exs.cx/img146/1402/gitssac10bit8rq.th.png (http://img146.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img146&image=gitssac10bit8rq.png)

[darkavatar1470]

Originally posted by Doom9
But ideally, the results should be about as terrible as the Matrix3 ones.. that'll ensure that no changes would have to be made for a few comparison iterations.
I think thats kind of hard, since the DVD source is very clean these years.
maybe you can try a higher resolution, higher audio bitrate, or duo audio tracks.

[Sagittaire]

I repeat ... lol

If you want:
- Hardest anime source
- Highest anime quality

Wait SteamBoy ... 06.04.2005 for DVD

IMO it's the highest/hardest anime source in the world ... very difficult to make good encoding with XviD 2 CDR ... this 120 min movie is a Codec Killer ...

With this source you can see the real powerfull of high performance codec for anime (MPEG4 AVC, VP7 or Real). IMO choose GITS2 or Animatrix for 1CDR test is unless: all codec are very good (DivX3 too ... lol) for 1CDR encoding with these anime ...

[Doom9]

@Sagittaire: you know that with such a recommendation, should I buy it and not be satisfied, I'll bill you:devil:

[Sagittaire]

lol ... :D

cheak your PM tomorrow ... I will upload big sample for you ...

[IgorC]

It´s taking 3 months to choose cartoon source. Just imagine how much it will take to buy a car :rolleyes: .... ages
P.S. I think porno anime will be great for this case. Very high motion. :p

[Koti]

With a car you only have to keep your family happy with your choice not a whole forum :D

Maybe we can help Doom9 pick his next car too tho ;)

[Shinigami-Sama]

Originally posted by IgorC
It´s taking 3 months to choose cartoon source. Just imagine how much it will take to buy a car :rolleyes: .... ages
P.S. I think porno anime will be great for this case. Very high motion. :p
hara for henati
<.<;
but full lenth henati movies are rare...
even for h-board mods to find
<.<'
and I don't it;s to apporoate for a codec compasison seeing as how there some younger kids here by the looks of it ;)

[dragongodz]

P.S. I think porno anime will be great for this case. Very high motion.
IgorC - you would no doubt like LordRPI's suggestion back on page 4 then.

and I don't it;s to apporoate for a codec compasison seeing as how there some younger kids here by the looks of it
i agree on both fronts.

[LordRPI]

C'mon guys. It was just a joke!

[Shinigami-Sama]

Why? It's actually a good idea, Bible Black contains plenty of action
uhh yeah.... easy to encode action thouhg mate
easy on hte eyes too but not a full lenth movie either :P


and you think thats the kind of "action" Doom9 wants to watch ? i would have thought something like Shame of the Jungle since atleast thats funny. Bible Black is sick.

doom9 might get a better idea of the anime world though, but bible black isn't that bad I;ve had far worse send to me by "friends" ><

haha, just imagine as Doom9 explains the artifacts on a frame from the middle of an action scene
hehehe
<.<;

anyways...
the "My-HiME" dvds are released in Japan NTSC R2 and that should be progessive and can be ivtc;d to 24fps but then again those are episodes so you;d have to put multiable ones per disk though I don't that thats what you want to do
I hav;t gotten them or plan to seeing as how I don't eraly care for it but I'll keep my eye out for feature lenth anime titles for a bit longer :)

[dragongodz]

C'mon guys. It was just a joke!
LordRPI - i know mate. since IgorC has a smiley at the end of his suggestion i assume he wasnt entirely serious either. ;)

doom9 might get a better idea of the anime world though
t*ts and tentacles view ? but anime is so much more than that. i think Doom9 has a low enough opinion of anime as is without these. :)

[Shinigami-Sama]

Originally posted by dragongodz

t*ts and tentacles view ? but anime is so much more than that. i think Doom9 has a low enough opinion of anime as is without these. :)
those aer how I converted 5 friends to watch anime so you never know mate..
'sides I;ve heard stories about doom9
<.<
j/k ;)

[video]

Originally posted by IgorC
It´s taking 3 months to choose cartoon source. Just imagine how much it will take to buy a car :rolleyes: .... ages
P.S. I think porno anime will be great for this case. Very high motion. :p
http://forum.hwsw.hu/html/emoticons/offtopic.gif This art actually has its own name, called 'hentai' so, basically this thing is nothing to do with anime(s) :)
however there's a damn good reason not using hentai(s). in that case Domm9 should apply an adultcheck (sic!) for his codec shootup - and he may would like avoid that ;)

[darkavatar1470]

Originally posted by Shinigami-Sama
the "My-HiME" dvds are released in Japan NTSC R2 and that should be progessive and can be ivtc
well, It's full of CG effects so it can be a hybrid nightmare....
but then again, you never known until you put your hands on them.

Worst one I have is "She, The Ultimate Weapon" DVDs, the telecide pattern changes whenever there's a scene change, and 30fps blend transitions over two telecided stream with different pattens....

why do they edit the clip after they telecided the cuts in the first place? Doing it the over way around would make life much easier.....

[Doom9]

forget about adult stuff.. it's not gonna happen.

BTW, what about the TV series of the guy who directed "the 2nd renaissance" from animatrix.. the few snippest I saw in the extras look like it's an action packed series.

[rawr]

You mean Gankutsuou? I really like the style, but 's pretty divisive issue. Not sure how much it'd stress the codecs, given that though the textures are complex, they're basically static. Akira seems the best bet so far if you didn't get on with the ghibli though, not much anime is high budget enough to have detail level and framecount that'll stretch codecs as much as film. This doesn't mean you should be using Disney or Pixar instead... ugh.
At any rate, as performace at lower bitrates does seem relevant, and traditional animation compresses well, I don't see the harm of setting stricter filesize requirements for this test than for film.

rawr.