Star Wars problems (Subject edited)

[jdobbs]

Sigh... yeah... I tried to add some code in 0.61 that would help bypass #0003 and #0004 errors that I'm pretty confident are from bad sources. As a result it seems I've caused problems on certain other DVDs. It will be fixed in 0.63 (later today).

Sorry. That's what I get for trying to catch and correct bad input. I've, honestly, spent way too much time trying to modify DVD-RB to work with preprocessd files.

I've never had a #0003 or #0004 error, I assume it's because I don't preprocess (other than occasional angle removal).

[p200002]

jdobbs, there are two reasons why I ocassionally preprocess my DVDs before using rebuilder.

1. To remove multi-angles (hope rebuilder will support it soon);
2. To remove the first audio track, i.e. keep DTS which is the 2nd audio track.

[kooky]

Originally posted by p200002
jdobbs, there are two reasons why I ocassionally preprocess my DVDs before using rebuilder.

1. To remove multi-angles (hope rebuilder will support it soon); i'm waiting this feature, please hurry up jdobbs lol (joke)

or a support for multi-angles to keep them will be great :D

[wmansir]

I just did ROTJ with v0.63 (regular rebuild mode) and noticed small video stutters with WinDVD. I thought perhaps it was a disc reading errors because fragmentation (the disc was almost full), but I re-muxed it with v0.60b and it was fine.

I'm heading out now, but when I get back in a couple of hours I'll run some more tests.

[borgraf]

I've also tested SW 6 ROTJ, but the PAL (nordic) release. With the exact same setup and source for the runs I get this: with 0.60b it plays flawless in both WinDVD and my standalone Sony! Version 0.63 (both normal and special rebuild) creates the exact same behaviour as 0.62 did, WinDVD stutters and the standalone freezes at a couple of places, the only difference is that vulen reports no errors at all for 0.63.

I'm not sure how valid this film is to test on since it was processed with ifoedit first, but it's interesting that one version makes it work. The 2 places it freezes up are the only 2 vobid changes in the main movie.

*edited*

[p200002]

Have you guys used nero to scan the burned disc? If there are unreadable sectors, you will see the "shutter".

[borgraf]

Originally posted by p200002
Have you guys used nero to scan the burned disc? If there are unreadable sectors, you will see the "shutter".
I almost wish it was, but I know it's not the discs.

[jdobbs]

Blast!!! I ran ROTJ through last night... I'll see how it looks today. I hope I didn't cause new problems by getting rid of the runt VOBUs.

Two steps forward, one step back...

[jdobbs]

I just posted a new version -- the runt fix seems to be causing some pretty serious problems. I've removed just that portion.

[wmansir]

Looks good now.

I'm re-doing this movie (ROTJ) from scratch for the 6 or 7th time, most of those were testing, but after looking at the output so much I've decided it doesn't look as good as it should. After checking out the bitrate distribution I've decided to try it without dyn. ass. bitrates. AVG bitrate is 3700kbps, but there are too many with 2800-3000 and others with 4500+, that don't appear to need it.

[wmansir]

I had already rebuilt SW VI, and V using v0.62 leaving nothing but the final (but stuttering) iso on my HD and I didn't want to re-do them all over so I decided to see if I could salvage them. Luckily I could and here's how.

1. Run DVD-RB in Rejig mode. (You don't have to have Rejig actually setup because we aren't going to use it.)

Turn off 1-click mode.

Select your corrupt v0.62 disc as your source and run the prepare step.

2. Go into your D2VAVS folder and rename all .mpv files to .m2v.

3. Open the Rebuilder.inf file and change "progress=1" to "progress=2".

4. Close DVD-RB and then re-open it. You should be able to run the rebuild step now.



That's it. The new files should play fine now.

[pg55555]

I tested ROTJ with 0.63a and the stuttering problem I have experienced with v0.62 have disappeared

ROTJ R4 (LatinAmerica) preprocessed with IFOEdit to eliminate angles 1 and 3.
Avysinth 2.54 / CCE SP 2.66

It worked flawlessly with v0.56 (it is the disc I'm keeping as back-up). Just for testing I tried to rebuild the encoded files with V0.60 and 0.62 but got error #004 in both cases

It worked with v0.60. For testind I tried rebuilding the encoded files with v0.56 and it worked, no error and the DVD played w/o problems

As mentioned, It also worked w/o problem with v0.63a. Excellent quality (for me at least)

TIP for maximizing bitrate for the movie and keeping menus and extras:
- After eliminating the angles load the DVD files in Shrink
- Highlight the "Menu" and verify with the "Custom" setting what are the maximum and minimum compression you can get for the menu.
-Calculate the difference in MB between both (In this case is around 180 MB). Divide by two to convert the result to sectors (in this case 90)
- Add this figure to your TargetSectors setting in Rebuilder.ini (I usually set it to 2260000, so now it would be 2350000)
- Run RB (I use Half D1 for extras).
- Of course the output will be oversized. So load it on Shrink and process with "No Compression" for the movie, set "Custom" with the maximum compression for the Menus and let it in automatic for the extras.
- Burn the output

Using this method you can compress the only part of the DVD that RB does not compress, the Menus

PAblo

[The_Flash]

Isn't it a lot easier to just shrink the menus first and then process with DVD-RB? I don't see why you would go through all these extra steps.

[cmsoliveira]

Isn't it a lot easier to just shrink the menus first and then process with DVD-RB? I don't see why you would go through all these extra steps.

Dvd-RB might not like the pre-processed source, and u could end up with a backup with errors.

As Jdobbs says, DVD-RB is made for untouched sources.

The method above is something i use a lot whem compressing large menus, but instead of changing the targetsectors, i use Rb-Opt to give me the amount of overzise i want.

[The_Flash]

I've used DVDShrink to reduce menu size, DVDRemake for editing, Ifoedit to strip angles and audio, and VobBlanker for removing titlesets. I've backed up almost my entire collection of DVDs and have never run into a problem with pre-processed files, sometimes using a combination of the previously mentioned programs. I can understand for testing purposes you wouldn't want to confound your results, other than that you must be really unlucky or I the opposite.

[p200002]

jdobbs, I have ripped Star Wars V with 0.63a. Perfect.

[the.forsaken]

hey guys, this is my 1st post... so go easy :)
i'm trying to backup the starwars DVD's, have removed the angles from the main movie using IFOedit, the movie encodes fine using DVD-RB etc, but the 'play' on the menu no longer players the movie. In my standalone it doesnt do anything, in Powerdvd is acts like you just ejected the disk.

You can still play the movie by going to the scene selection menu without problems, just the main play button is broken.

I think this is to do with multi angles within the menu - the R4-Pal dvd's have 3 different menu's for each disk (you can choose them by pressing 1-3 on the DVD remote during the copyright warnings). I have tried recoding the menu's with Shrink, and attempting to remove the menu angles with IFOedit but with no luck!

Can anyone give me any tips as to what I might be doing wrong?

i would just like to add, i have never had any problems with the audio/stutter stuff, DVD-RB has been a fantastic program since I started using it at 0.3somthing : )

cheers :)

[wmansir]

Does the play button make the play movie animation play and then the error happens? or does the error happen as soon as the button is pushed?

If it happens immediatly it is probably a problem within the menu files. If you haven't done much fiddling with the menu it's not likely to be the problem though.

If it happens after the animation plays I would think it's a problem with one of the logos that plays before the movie starts. (THX logo for example) Did you strip, or modifiy them?

If this is only happening on a burned disc it could be a media/burning problem. Those logo videos are placed at the very end of the disc so if your using bad media that is where errors will show up first.

[cbwarz]

Hi,

I'm trying to DVDRB the movie too, but i'm freezed in the multiangle thing :(. Please help.

What i have done:
1. Rip dvd with decrypter FILE mode, all files
2. open main vts with ifoedit, go to vob extras and choose keep angle 2, then it make all vobs in other dir and additionally creates a vts_xxx.vob same size than original. No ifo files copied.
3. Then copy that new files to overwrite the old ones.
4. Reencode with DVDRB.

It can't be played on my DVD :(

What i must do after the ifoedit removes the angles?

Thank you in advance

BTW: Great program!

[the.forsaken]

Originally posted by wmansir
Does the play button make the play movie animation play and then the error happens? or does the error happen as soon as the button is pushed?

If it happens immediatly it is probably a problem within the menu files. If you haven't done much fiddling with the menu it's not likely to be the problem though.

If it happens after the animation plays I would think it's a problem with one of the logos that plays before the movie starts. (THX logo for example) Did you strip, or modifiy them?

If this is only happening on a burned disc it could be a media/burning problem. Those logo videos are placed at the very end of the disc so if your using bad media that is where errors will show up first.

play button animation works fine, and the problem also occurs with the copy on my HDD so its not a media issue
All the logo's are still present in my encoded copy still!

this one has got me stumped! this is the IV R4 PAL dvd btw, havent tried any of the other 3 yet

[pg55555]

cbwarz

After removing the angles and before process with RB, does the movie play from your Hard Disk? If not, is not a problem with RB but from your process with IFOEdit.

Instead of copying the IFOEdit processed files to the source folder, try copying the missing files from the source folder to the target folder (if I remember correctly they are the VTS 2 to 4). When you remove the angles you also remove a couple of VOBIDs, making the VTS 1 shorter (instead of 9 VOBs -0 to 8- it should have now just 8 (0 to 7-). That was my experience with the 3 disks of Star Wars.

Try checking the integrity of your angle-removed files by loading them into DVD-Shrink

[SAPSTAR]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
I think you don't know how to use DVD-RB or you aren't able just to setup it correctly, 'cause I'm doing lots of backups with it ** F L A W L E S S L Y **.

The problem occurs only on some specific DVD players, you should try to change your DVD player :D , example :
The Thing - Same DVD played on :

Philips DVP675 : A lot of stuttering, especially when the audio bitrate + video bitrate increase (explosions for example...)

Venturer : Some stuttering but very rarely

Sone NS725P : No stuttering at all

I really think that the new version decreasing the Video Max Bitrate according to the audio bitrate will solve those problems...Well done as usual JDobbs !!!!!

[cbwarz]

pg55555

Thank you :D, works now

[Msc_Alex]

Originally posted by wmansir
I had already rebuilt SW VI, and V using v0.62 leaving nothing but the final (but stuttering) iso on my HD and I didn't want to re-do them all over so I decided to see if I could salvage them. Luckily I could and here's how.

1. Run DVD-RB in Rejig mode. (You don't have to have Rejig actually setup because we aren't going to use it.)

Turn off 1-click mode.

Select your corrupt v0.62 disc as your source and run the prepare step.

2. Go into your D2VAVS folder and rename all .mpv files to .m2v.

3. Open the Rebuilder.inf file and change "progress=1" to "progress=2".

4. Close DVD-RB and then re-open it. You should be able to run the rebuild step now.



That's it. The new files should play fine now.

Thanks wmansir
after following your procedure all stutters were gone in the start of sw4, except 1(big ship from behind). So I demux m2v, ac3 and subs of the main movie (doitfast4u) then rebuild de VTS1 with maestro and ifoupdate (old fashion way)
Then my backup played fine.
If I fine the time I will check the difference between the maestro and RB rebuild on the vobs.

[survivant]

what are multi-angle ? I saw SW 4, and this are 3 angle for the VST_02 (I think is this one). That's mean there is 3 way to see the chapter ?

suppose I want only the full angle.. How do I know that (maybe the size) and I can use DVDShrink 3.2 and select the angle that I want.. do a full backup (no compression) after that us DVD-RB ?

[dannyv]

Originally posted by survivant
what are multi-angle ? I saw SW 4, and this are 3 angle for the VST_02 (I think is this one). That's mean there is 3 way to see the chapter ?


The angles are different languages that are displayed during the opening scene "A Long time ago in a galaxy far away" The first angle is the english version.

[Xirtam G]

hi guys

This is a long thread and i have to go to work now

Can someone tell me what i need to do get starwars woring with rb? i have the r2 release.

[survivant]

thanks dannyv, now i know the problem with the angles. If I want to keep everything on the dvd, I have no choice but to use dvdfab ?

[dannyv]

Originally posted by survivant
thanks dannyv, now i know the problem with the angles. If I want to keep everything on the dvd, I have no choice but to use dvdfab ?

Or you can use DVD Shrink. Its free, simple and has good quality. Not as good as rebuilder but still acceptable.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by Xirtam G
hi guys

This is a long thread and i have to go to work now

Can someone tell me what i need to do get starwars woring with rb? i have the r2 release.

Yes,

Tell us what the problem is or read the Thread.

But you can start by making sure your using the most current version of RB v63a and when upgrading make sure you delete the rebuilder.ini file.

[survivant]

did someone try it with the dvd-rb 0.65 release ?

[jdobbs]

I did.


Correction: NTSC.

[dannyv]

I re-tried it with .60b and it worked fine. I did terminator with .65 and that worked fine so I don't see any reason why starwars should'nt work with .65.

<edit> version was NTSC

[k-c-ksum]

Originally posted by eriksen76
I encoded Star Wars Episode 4 today and now it both freezes and audio drop outs. Especially in the beginning.

Sorry to say it but I think I will soon give up on DVDRB as it still have some bugs no matter which settings I use. Never as worse as today though. Its in the beginning where the large space ship comes, it acts as if it was a badly burned disc!

Too bad, as its a pretty cool program.

/Julius

what are you using to feed rebuilder? A dvddecrypter image/files from ya hard drive? does it play fine from hd before you run it through rebuilder?


The way i do multi angle stuff with rebuilder is this:


starwars backup usin rebuilder:

1.Use dvd decypter to copy everything except the main movie to ya
harddrive.
2.Have a look to see how much space this takes up

3.Use DVDshrink to do a movie only back-up(no compression) with the audio ya want.

4.Run this movie only back-up through rebuilder. Dont encode yet.
5.Open RBopt app and select the global options
6.reduce the slider until the estimated size is lower enough to
accomodate the files copied with dvdecrypter.
7.Save settings andclose RBopt
8.Open Rebuilder and encode then rebuild.
9. Copy the rebuilt movie vobs, VTS_01_1 etc (not VTS_01_0)into the same folder as the dvddecypted files, (do not copy any ifo or bup files)
10. Use Ifoupdate to fix the original/authored VTS_01_0.ifo files

http://img70.exs.cx/img70/1783/ifoupdate.gif
Original Path is the dvddecrypted Files
Authoured Path is the new rebuilder movieonly ifo file

set ifoupdate as in the pic then ya done.

Been there and done em myself. It works.

If ya can do that, next time ya can get real messy and remove 2 of the 3 random menus and link them to 1 saving 350+ mb from the menu :)

[hobyho]

Originally posted by survivant
did someone try it with the dvd-rb 0.65 release ?

I have done all of the star wars trilogy using 0.65 without any problems.

[jdobbs]

I assume you kept the angles rather than removing them, right?

[pg55555]

I did Star Wars Episode I R4 NTSC with 0.65, keep the angles, work perfectly.

The angles were the same as in the Trilogy

[ljpp]

Sorry to bounce an old thread back up, but I need to confirm this.

I recently backed up the Star Wars Trilogy, but I have experienced playback problems. My Philips DVD-952 had problems in chapter changes, which caused hickups to the player. I tried with my friends Sony NS-315 and the playback stuttered slightly.

I have currently too many moving pieces in the puzzle: I recently god some new media for testing that I haven't used before, and also two new DVD recorders, so I am not sure what actually is the problem here.

Therefore I want to verify that my backups are ok, so that I can proceed and troubleshoot the media & drive.

Should DVD Decrypter + DVD-RB .091 free + HC 0.14 combo be able encode Star Wars Trilogy (Nordic) correctly, without any manual tunings?

[jdobbs]

Yes, it should. But, of course, the only version I have personally tested is NTSC.

[ljpp]

There is something now wrong in my DVD-RB+HC setup.

The problem is not limited to Star Wars, I think. On chapter changes my Philips DVD-952 gets sometimes totally confused, and "reboots". Same has now happened with other movies as well. Media is not the issue - good media used and various brands tried.

UPDATE:

Bit more info for trouble shooting. This is not really a SW issue anymore - sorry for going off topic.

- I have used DVD-RB free and upgraded on top of it, so I now started from scratch with Rockas Installer.
- I have reproduced the problem with SW trilogy nordic (boot at some chapter changes), Magnificient 7 Nordic (booted twice while watching, at chapter change) and now something similar with AC/DC family jewels (short glitch/pause few seconds after song change)

All these discs were ripped with latest DVD Decrypter. I applied MenuShrink 2.2 to all of them - could it be a factor? I have HC Enc 0.14 set up with profile BEST and MPEG matrix from the .INI file.

Anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas to troubleshoot? I am now trying another Family Jewels encode with 0.93 beta Rockas installer.

[jeanl]

MenuShrink does not modify the title vobs (the movie part of the DVD) at all, only the menu vobs. So I doubt that it would be the cause. Your problem is very strange, I think you'll need to revert to a setup that can work, then work your way through all the changes you've made until you find the cause. Not a lot of fun, but I don't see any other way! :(
jeanl

[ljpp]

It now seems that complete uninstall/delete, and then installing Rockas .93 solved the problem. I went on and invested to the Pro version in the process as well :)