Star Wars problems (Subject edited)

[eriksen76]

I encoded Star Wars Episode 4 today and now it both freezes and audio drop outs. Especially in the beginning.

Sorry to say it but I think I will soon give up on DVDRB as it still have some bugs no matter which settings I use. Never as worse as today though. Its in the beginning where the large space ship comes, it acts as if it was a badly burned disc!

Too bad, as its a pretty cool program.

/Julius

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by geffroman
Just did Star Wars V and VI with Rebuilder 61 and even used RBFarm to complicate matters and both run flawlessly. So many people have done so many movies with perfection on so many differet machines perfectly that it has to be your setup. Trying reinstalling Rebuilder files from scratch and reread and follow instructions to the letter including making sure you have the exact files recommended for Avisynth and pluggin, EECle, etc etc...

I did everything as written.... Please give a complete list of your setup. And then I will try again.

Thanx

/Julius

[jdobbs]

Sorry if I'm repeating questions -- but I have a lot of irons in the fire... are you using QuEnc or CCE? The only operational changes to v0.62 were related to QuEnc.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Sorry if I'm repeating questions -- but I have a lot of irons in the fire... are you using QuEnc or CCE? The only operational changes to v0.62 were related to QuEnc.

CCE

/Julius

[Oldeman]

I just did a NTSC movie with DVD-RB v.62 and Quenc .54 using both 1 and 2 pass encoding, both play without audio dropouts on my Toshiba players. They never played without audio dropouts on these high end Toshibas before version .60b.

I think that the particular movie may also have some effect on these player sensitive audio dropouts. Its a strange problem.

At any rate things are looking a lot better.
Thanks and Congratulations...:)

[Fr4nz]

Originally posted by eriksen76
I encoded Star Wars Episode 4 today and now it both freezes and audio drop outs. Especially in the beginning.

Sorry to say it but I think I will soon give up on DVDRB as it still have some bugs no matter which settings I use. Never as worse as today though. Its in the beginning where the large space ship comes, it acts as if it was a badly burned disc!

Too bad, as its a pretty cool program.

/Julius

I think you don't know how to use DVD-RB or you aren't able just to setup it correctly, 'cause I'm doing lots of backups with it ** F L A W L E S S L Y **.

[Fishman0919]

I get the same error at the very beginning of Star Wars E4 when the big ship comes in chasing the small ship with QuEnc .51 - .54, CCE Basic v2.69.01.09 and CCE SP v2.50 and SP 2.67.00.23.... with Avisynth 2.54 or 2.55 .... DVD-RB .61-.62



just did a check and both the avs and m2v have the error in them
call a friend and he has the same problem at the same spot.

no problem with any of the other disc's in the set...sorry I am in R1 ntsc

I don't get any drop in audio but it's more like a flash/skip and it's not on the Org. disc

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by eriksen76
CCE

/Julius Then your statement "Version 0.62 even worse" is an impossibility. Sorry, but facts are facts.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
I think you don't know how to use DVD-RB or you aren't able just to setup it correctly, 'cause I'm doing lots of backups with it ** F L A W L E S S L Y **.

Actually I'm doing exactly as written in the various guides. Im getting updated each day with info from this forum. And acually I'm watching a Freddy Kruger movie right now. Also reauthored with DVDRB. With no problems at all. But please read what the guy with a post previous to this also said about Star Wars 4. Doesn't seem like I'm the only one having probs.

I'm glad someone has it going properly, hopefully the same will happen to me soon.

/Julius

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Fishman0919
I get the same error at the very beginning of Star Wars E4 when the big ship comes in chasing the small ship with QuEnc .51 - .54, CCE Basic v2.69.01.09 and CCE SP v2.50 and SP 2.67.00.23.... with Avisynth 2.54 or 2.55 .... DVD-RB .61-.62



just did a check and both the avs and m2v have the error in them
call a friend and he has the same problem at the same spot.

no problem with any of the other disc's in the set...sorry I am in R1 ntsc

I don't get any drop in audio but it's more like a flash/skip and it's not on the Org. disc I bought the set online and they haven't been delivered yet. When I get them I'll run through and see what I get.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Then your statement "Version 0.63 even worse" is an impossibility. Sorry, but facts are facts.

No doubt youre right, you're the expert here. Still strange that Freddy Krueger movie works flawlessly but Star Wars 4, problems.

Apart from all other movies with probs, this one has errors in my PS2 as well

/Julius

[bobwillis]

The star wars trilogy region2 discs are multi-angle; therefore not supported by DVD-RB. Are yours discs not multi-angle?

Regards,
Bob

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by bobwillis
The star wars trilogy region2 discs are multi-angle; therefore not supported by DVD-RB. Are yours discs not multi-angle?

Regards,
Bob

I prepared them for RB, by removing the angles

/Julius

[bobwillis]

Using DVD-Decrypter? This additional 'processing' could be the cause of the problem. The plot thickens....

[geffroman]

My Star Wars sucesses were done by removing Angle pointers and deleting VoB IDs for the unwanted angles with IFOEdit Ver 095 and had NO issues... I don't like to destroy data with my RIPping tools... I find better success DVDDecrypting everything to disc unaltered and then IFOEdit the data...

I think bobwillis hit it on the head... angle management is critical...

[nwg]

Its in the beginning where the large space ship comes, it acts as if it was a badly burned disc!

That is an angle on the R2 (which there is four of them). I have read elswhere that there are two angles on the R1. It is to translate the yellow text at the beginning and ends with that spaceship.

I have done all three film fine with DVD-RB. I reauthored each film using DVDShrink and only selected title 1 as the angle.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by nwg
That is an angle on the R2 (which there is four of them). I have read elswhere that there are two angles on the R1. It is to translate the yellow text at the beginning and ends with that spaceship.

I have done all three film fine with DVD-RB. I reauthored each film using DVDShrink and only selected title 1 as the angle.

You're right, but I did remove the angles the ifoedit way

/Julius

[eriksen76]

Maby this can help you, helping me with the settings:

[Paths]
CCENEW=D:\cce\Cinema Craft Encoder Sp 2.67.00.23\EclCCE_1.7b\EclCCE.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Programmer\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
DECOMB=C:\Documents and Settings\Jacob Eriksen\Skrivebord\DVD Rebuilder\Decomb521.dll
Source=C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\JACOB ERIKSEN\SKRIVEBORD\STARTESTER\
Working=C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\JACOB ERIKSEN\SKRIVEBORD\
[Options]
LoadPlugin=1
AudioDub=0
CCE=1
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=0
Completed=2
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=10
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=5

Does things look ok
I'm using avisynth 2.55
This is what I have in my plugin directory:

colors_rgb.avsi
DirectShowSource.dll
TCPDeliver.dll
MPEG2Dec3dg.dll (24. april 2004, 09:03:24)
(the first 3 was automaticly installed by avisynth)

Then I have a directoy called dvdrebulder with the following files:

Rebuilder
rebuilder (config info)
Decomb521.dll

My setup:

FILE: None activated
MODE: CCE, Verbose Status Window, One Click mode, Automaticly Assain
Cell Bitrates.
Options AVS: Convert to YUY2 activated
Audio Dub deactivated
Expert Settings: None activated!

CCE Options: CCE SP
CCE Customized settings: Bios:10, Quality Spec: 16 Passes: 5

Setup: Links to CCE 2.67.00.23 through EclSSE 1.7b. (I have tryed the retail version as well, but same probs)

Path to MPEG2Dec3dg.dll written and a ticker made in the box (Don't know if that is nessesary.

And finally path to decomb.

Any wrong settings??

[robot1]

Originally posted by eriksen76
Setup: Links to CCE 2.67.00.23 through EclSSE 1.7b. (I have tryed the retail version as well, but same probs)

Any wrong settings?? This is not the latest version of EclCCE.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by robot1
This is not the latest version of EclCCE.

I tryed encoding with the retail version but same problem.

/Julius

[darkpepe]

There is no such thing as a "retail" version of EclCCE.

You are mixing things up.

One thing you could try: Reauthor the DVD without compression using DVD Shrink, and the reencode with DVD RB

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by darkpepe
There is no such thing as a "retail" version of EclCCE.

You are mixing things up.

One thing you could try: Reauthor the DVD without compression using DVD Shrink, and the reencode with DVD RB

Sorry I ment retail version of CCE

/Julius

[TuRiSOft]

My suggestions:
1 - get the latest EclCCE version here (http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/eclcce.zip) ;
2 - Try to play the untouched (virgin) disk in PowerDVD , right click on the interested part , go to "angle" and keep note of what angle is checked ;
3 - remove angles w/DVDShrink (easier) or the IFOEdit mode or the DVDReMake mode ;
4 - Play the re-Authored Vobs in PowerDVD and see what happens (if all gone right the right-click|"Angle" will be not-selectable ) ;
5 - Try DVD-RB on this material ( in case of doubt try ReJig mode-1 Click then burn on RW ).

Hope to be helpful.

Bye!!!!

[DD51]

It amazes me that it's never mentioned that the problem most people may be experiencing "may be" related to the DVD -/+R media that they are using.
That's just my opinion.

I personally have never experienced any problems with sound nor image when making backups, but then again I ALWAYS use Ritek media.
Maybe that's why:rolleyes:

Hope you find and correct your problem.
Good luck and keep us posted.

Regards,

[Fishman0919]

The problem I had with Star Wars E4 was not a bad media problem, the problem I got was at the angle change and it was in the avs and m2v... I've tried avisynth 2.54 and 2.55 and get the same flash/skip. So it just could be a authoring error in the Org. disc or maybe a bad run of discs.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by TuRiSOft
My suggestions:
1 - get the latest EclCCE version here (http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/eclcce.zip) ;
2 - Try to play the untouched (virgin) disk in PowerDVD , right click on the interested part , go to "angle" and keep note of what angle is checked ;
3 - remove angles w/DVDShrink (easier) or the IFOEdit mode or the DVDReMake mode ;
4 - Play the re-Authored Vobs in PowerDVD and see what happens (if all gone right the right-click|"Angle" will be not-selectable ) ;
5 - Try DVD-RB on this material ( in case of doubt try ReJig mode-1 Click then burn on RW ).

Hope to be helpful.

Bye!!!!

Is it possible to remove angles with dvdshrink in full disc copy?

How?

By the way, the movie (with ifoedit removed angles) plays fine with powerdvd on my computer.

/Julius

[pg55555]

Eriksen76 and Fishman0919

Here is a typical example of people saying there is a problem with RB, asking for help, and no providing relevant information until the 5th or 6th post.

You both are experiencing the problem after having pre-processed the movie in order to eliminate the multiangle, which explicitely RB does not support up to now. It makes jdobbs expend time trying to figure out what it is wrong with RB, when the most probable cause is a bad source caused by the pre-processing, no RB.

After been using RB for several months I'm really fascinated how it simplifies the proces of producing high quality encodings with CCE without the fuss of the muxing and remuxing and re-authoring, taking into account the great diversity of inputs (Original DVD : NTSC/PAL, Region 1,2,3,4,..., progressive, interlaced, ). All this inputs have at lest something in comon: They have to run in a stand alone player.

When you pre-process the DVD (except for Decrypting) you are changing something. So the probability of something going wrong do increase. It is a demostration of RB versatility and robustness it handle most of the things we do without a glitch. But I think we do have the right to claim it "does not work" because it do not process adequatelly my pre-processed movie, something it was never intended to do.

The correct way should have been to ask for help for backing up Star Wars with RB, taking into account it is a multiangle film, and that the method I use to get ride of the extra angles seems to be causing problems

My humble opinion.

Pablo

[eriksen76]

You might be right Pablo, maby it does affect the RB input if we change something before reauthering. I just thought that DVDRB acted like other programs.

Sorry if my posts / questions caused some problems, you are all doing a great job

Have a nice vecation.

/Julius

[Fishman0919]

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with RB, I'm saying that myself and a friend are having what sounds like the same problem as eriksen76 in the same spot and I don't think it has anything thing to do with RB.... maybe the disc maybe whatever

sorry if I sounded like I was blaming RB but I got the same Flash/skip with DVD2SVCD so I think it's the disc but who knows, it's a very minor skip and you really can't tell to much because you think it's a laser flash or something but not being on the Org. disc....well who knows.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by Fishman0919
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with RB, I'm saying that myself and a friend are having what sounds like the same problem as eriksen76 in the same spot and I don't think it has anything thing to do with RB.... maybe the disc maybe whatever

sorry if I sounded like I was blaming RB but I got the same Flash/skip with DVD2SVCD so I think it's the disc but who knows, it's a very minor skip and you really can't tell to much because you think it's a laser flash or something but not being on the Org. disc....well who knows.

Not a minor skip on my version. Pretty bad actually. Then I thought I would watch the hole movie, but sound is flickering like crazy though out the movie. Im wathing an other movie now with no probs, so I guess your right.

Actually I just read that the group "FOA" just released the 3 movies, and that they claim that they are the most problematic movies that they have ever made. Sounds familiar.....

/Julius

[pg55555]

Eriksen76

Sorry if I was rude.

It is just I feel bad for jdoobs as he has been chasing this audio dropouts issue, which has been eluding him. And from the thread it is apparent to me your problem is related to the angle stripping, a pre-processing he was not aware off.

Y just finidhed my first angle stripping with IFOEdit and process with RB (The Lion King) and have yet to check the burned disc in a standalone. But I know now if there is a problem, I would not blame RB.

Fishman0919

You are wright. You were not saying there was a problem with RB. But your posting increased the "sense of urgency" of Eriksen post, as it indicated the issue was not isolated (and probably a setup problem).

The Doom9 commutity has been very helpfull for me and I'm trying to collaborate with my "grain of sand" . As I'm not such a knowledgeable person, my collaboration goes more in the "be more explicit / give more details" direction:D

Pablo

[darkpepe]

Is it possible to remove angles with dvdshrink in full disc copy?
No, just in reauthor mode.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by eriksen76
I encoded Star Wars Episode 4 today and now it both freezes and audio drop outs. Especially in the beginning.
/Julius

I just confirmed your problem Julis. I have exactly the same problem you do on starwars episode 4. It starts out ever so slighty with audio dropouts at the beginning by the time I gets to chapter 4 the audio drops out every second or so and the video pauses and then continues coinsiding with the audio dropout. I removed the multiangle with shrink just as you did. I'm using rebuilder .61 and cce 2.50 sp retail. I've had audio dropouts with other movies as well which were mentioned in other threads. I've burned this on to a ritek dvd-rw. And I'm using the latest avisyth and eclcce. About 1/3 of the movies I've done with rebuilder seem to have an audio drop out problem but star wars 4 was the worst.

[Faust2]

Originally posted by eriksen76
Is it possible to remove angles with dvdshrink in full disc copy?

How?


I did SW Ep 2 and removed Angles with DVDShrink 3.1 successfully, but I recommend really "movie only", so reauthor mode and just one titleset with the selected angle. I never had any problems with this method. I think doing it with Ifoedit alone works also, but AFAIK it is known to have some bugs...

OTOH, if your prob is like desribed by dannyv, (growing throughout the movie), I doubt it being related only with angle removal.

Maybe you give this thread? (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82820) a try?

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by Faust2
I did SW Ep 2 and removed Angles with DVDShrink 3.1 successfully, but I recommend really "movie only", so reauthor mode and just one titleset with the selected angle. I never had any problems with this method. I think doing it with Ifoedit alone works also, but AFAIK it is known to have some bugs...

OTOH, if your prob is like desribed by dannyv, (growing throughout the movie), I doubt it being related only with angle removal.

Maybe you give this thread? (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82820) a try?

I did the same as you with dvdshrink 3.2 and made SW EP4 successfully with manually CCE encoding. Afterwards I re-authered with Dvdmaestro. Works like a charm

/Julius

[borgraf]

I've never had any dropouts so far, so i'm curious how my overnight backup of Star Wars ep 4 will turn out. Are any of you who experience dropouts on SW 4 backing up the PAL nordic release? (subs: eng, swe, no, dk, fin)

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by borgraf
I've never had any dropouts so far, so i'm curious how my overnight backup of Star Wars ep 4 will turn out. Are any of you who experience dropouts on SW 4 backing up the PAL nordic release? (subs: eng, swe, no, dk, fin)

Yup thats the one I've been having probs with

/Julius

[borgraf]

Well, I got the same problems with my IFOEdit preprocessed SW 4 as mentioned by several others. Video freezing on two places (both at a vobid change), a few audio glitches and the vulen prog reported a large number of "errors" that weren't present in the source files. I then tried it several different ways, including some of the tweaks mentioned in various threads like setting max-min bitrate and fix_gop_length, but it was still freezing.

But I guess running a preprocessed dvd through dvd-rb is like running a toaster through a carwash - what comes out the other end might work, but don't count on it. I'll leave the issue to people who have the problems on films that haven't been preprocessed - atleast until I run into one myself.

OT: I ran the full disc through shrink 3.2 with all quality features for comparison, removed only the 2.0 track and to my surprise the result was so good i'm keeping it and moving on :)

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by borgraf
Well, I got the same problems with my IFOEdit preprocessed SW 4 as mentioned by several others. Video freezing on two places (both at a vobid change), a few audio glitches and the vulen prog reported a large number of "errors" that weren't present in the source files. I then tried it several different ways, including some of the tweaks mentioned in various threads like setting max-min bitrate and fix_gop_length, but it was still freezing.

But I guess running a preprocessed dvd through dvd-rb is like running a toaster through a carwash - what comes out the other end might work, but don't count on it. I'll leave the issue to people who have the problems on films that haven't been preprocessed - atleast until I run into one myself.

OT: I ran the full disc through shrink 3.2 with all quality features for comparison, removed only the 2.0 track and to my surprise the result was so good i'm keeping it and moving on :)

I am trying for the last time by ripping with dvdecrypter in file mode and selecting angle 2 only. Then I ran it though ifoedit 0.96 keeping angle 2 only (if not done it would not import in dvdrb) keeping all vob id's. It kept some different ones compared with only stripping with ifoedit. But file sizes are exactly the same.

Im running the test now to see if this helps.

/Julius

[JawZ]

well let me just say that my luck must be really good because I had read about DVD-RB and figured I'd give it a try. The first movie I tried it on was, would ya' believe, STAR WARS Epsisode IV - A New Hope. I coudln't believe after I was finished with everything I found this post saying people were having audio sync issues among other issues with this movie. I figured that must REALLY be bad luck to choose that movie of all movies. When I was done I was expecting to have the same issues, but low and behold I didn't see ANY of the issues others have mentioned here. At the beginning where the bigger space ship is chasing the smaller one the audio was perfectly in sync. I then went chapter by chapter with the subs ON and the audio AND SUBS were in perfect sync in every single chapter!

I've got the Region I, NTSC version BTW. Now I know some others said there were problems at vob id changes, so if someone would post the time stamp or exactly where the chapter where the issues were, I'll check mine for those issues as well. But As of right now everything seems PERFECT. Oh, I also used IFOEDIT to get rid of angle 2 AND 3, Keeping Angle 1. So i've seemed to do the same steps others have done but my results seem perfectly fine. I only have one dvd player to try this on and that's my Pioneer. If others have more issues and can point to specific points I'll check my disc to see if I have the same issues and i'll hook up my cheapo Apex to see if it has any problems that the Pioneer may be correcting.

But for now all seems good. I'l a little reluctant to backup EP5 AND 6 right now with the structures of those being the same and all this talk about these sync issues and audio drops.

So far this program seems more then amazing and miraculously finished the entire job in about 3 hours. Using the big 3, CCE would of taken around 5 hours at a 3 pass VBR for this movie, so i'd love to know how DVD-RB was able to accomplish this entire task so fast and with super quality at that.

[nwg]

What DVD player do you have? The problems (it also happens with the R2 DVD - which has more angles than the R1) seems to depend on what DVD player you have.

[dannyv]

I just did star trek original series disk one and have 2 audio drop outs. My settings are the same as my original post in this thread. It seems that .61 is giving me audio dropouts on everything I do. .56 seemed to be better. I have now tried this on 2 seperate machines.

the one in my tag line below and an amd 2700 which is running rb .59. If theres anything anyone wants me to try to help eliminate this problem let me know. I think rebuilder is an excellent program but I'm going to stick with dvd shrink until this is fixed.

I have not tried .62 because from what I've read its worse then what I'm using.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by nwg
What DVD player do you have? The problems (it also happens with the R2 DVD - which has more angles than the R1) seems to depend on what DVD player you have.

My versions were tested on my Jvc and Pioneer standalone. The problems were not as big as on my PS2 but still there.

All my testing was based on the Pal version with 4 or 5 angles. Maby that caused the problems compared with the NTSC version. So far I believe that I've tryed everything. I even borrowed a brand new labtop and installed everything from the guide from scratch.

Same problems.

I made a movie only on part IV and it works on all standalones. Congrats to those who got it 100% functional.

/Julius

[jdobbs]

I have not tried .62 because from what I've read its worse then what I'm using. That's bullsh*t obviously from someone who doesn't know any better. While it probably won't make it any better unless you are using QuEnc -- it certainly couldn't make it worse.

Too many expert opinions, too few experts. ;)

If there is anyone out there who is getting audio dropouts on NTSC sources -- please give me the name of the disc so I can try it.

[pg55555]

I use IFOedit 0.96 to get rid of angles 1 (English) and 3 (portuguese, keeping 2 (Spanish)
The first time I keep all the VOBIDs, but then each angle kept playing one after the other a few frames each: The only diffference between the diferent angles I'm aware of are at ghe beginning, when the short writen introduction runs (each angle has it writen in its language)

So a run the angle stripping process again, getting rid of the VOBIDs with the angles 1 and 3. All seemed OK, no audio dropouts neither problems with sync. But, when watching in my standalone (a very cheap Precision brand), I experienced jumps in the video. Not always, no very frequently, but enough to turn the backup un-operative.

I will try keeping angle 1, as the reported successes seem with keeping the first angle

RB 0.62 - Avisynth 23.54 - CCE 2.66 Trial

[robot1]

Originally posted by pg55555

I will try keeping angle 1, as the reported successes seem with keeping the first angle
Or you can wait a few days, as jdobbs has already begun coding multiple-angles support.

[redsvt]

Well this is my first post to doom 9. Let me say I have ripped 100's of dvd's, using various combos of dvdrb+cce and DVDRMPRO . My first issues began with Kill Bill Vol 2. All I had to do was remove any cell use DVDRB and the disc would chapter skim, final conclusion is that is was my sony ns725p player, I have two. Move forward to Star Wars IV, I removed the multi angles in DVDRM then encoded using DVDRB. Got to the end of cell 3, rebels being chased by the empire and it freezes. If you press the x2 key on the remote, it steps back and plays thru the problem cell. Now by removing the same angles on Empire V and Jedi VI I get the same cell freeze issue. On Jedi the audio drops out all thru the disc, the other two are OK. Now if I strip the angles the recode with Nero Recode, all the discs play fine. All discs have been played on both my Sony standalone units. All the DVDRB+CCE freeze. A side note, the bonus disc using DVDRB+CCE has horrible quality after about 50 minutes of the main documentary. Regardless of what is going on I still donate the the Jdobbs fund :)Great program.

Star Wars is NTSC.

Now when I attach my Microtek CDRW DVD player, ALL DISCS PLAY!!!!!!
With the exception of Jedi, the audio still drops. Ended up using DVDRMPRO, stripping angles, and Nero Recode. At this moment, I am encoding a fresh rip using DVDRB+CCE. I have ripped 100's of discs using DVDRB+CCE and DVDRMPRO and never had any issues since Kill Bill Vol 2 and these Star Wars discs.

DVDRB 0.62
CCE 2.69.1.10
Avisynth 2.5.5.0
DVD Decrypter 3.5.10
Nero Recode latest version

Media=Ritek G04
Verbatim Datalife

[geffroman]

Originally posted by redsvt
All the DVDRB+CCE freeze. A side note, the bonus disc using DVDRB+CCE has horrible quality after about 50 minutes of the main documentary. Regardless of what is going on I still donate the the Jdobbs fund :)Great program. There is actually a thread dedicated to your problem... (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82012)

[dannyv]

Not sure if this will help but my sa is a panasonic dvd-rp56 progressive scan. My DVD's are ntsc region 1. The copies play fine with powerdvd but not in the sa.

[wiki]

I agree with jdobbs, too many people out there just keep bitching when this guy has one hell of a program. It may not be perfect right now but if you got a problem with it, use dvd shrink or spend $8 a piece on Dual Layer discs.

One thing I think is pretty damn sad is how so many people "claim" this DVD-RB is having so many issues with audio drop outs, particulary in Star Wars Ep IV, but not a SINGLE person has stated a scene or time stamp SPECIFIC to the problem they're having. Seems to me like they just wanna bitch and complain and not even have the respect to congratulate the author on an amazing program and offer "specifics" to help the development more. Those people i'm betting are the same that never donate a single penny either.

I'm not doubting some are having audio sync or dropout issues, but how about stating EXACTLY where the points as opposed to just bitching which accomplishes nothing but getting people pissed.

[pg55555]

wiki

I generally agree with you. RB is a more than excellent piece of software. I have done circa 100 backups with it without problems and with excellent results.

My only problems, and not always, are with pre-processed DVDs.

The case of Star Wars Episode IV is an example: As it contains multiangles, it cannot be processed by RB without pre-processing.

And it seems RB is very sensitive to pre-processing, the output is not guaranteed. Which I can understand, because if being able to reauthor automatically a DVD taking into account the different way commercials DVD are authored is a kind of miracle, when you compose the ilimited creativity of all us people doing pre-processing with Remake, Lab, Shrink, ... probably makes the task impossible.

[wmansir]

Unfortunately I'm having the same problems with ROTJ, R1 on my APEX player. Audio/Video stutters and some sync issues. I haven't burned Episode IV or V yet. However, I butchered the hell out of the source so I can't place the blame on DVD-RB.

My process was:

1. Use TitleSetBlanker to blankout all but the main movie/menu.

2. Use NuMenu to shrink the huge menus down to a reasonable size.

3. Use IFOEdit to strip the angles.

4. Use MenuEdit to remove unneeded menu buttons.

I haven't looked at other, non-butchered, rebuilds with v0.62 to see if they have any problems because I haven't done any other than the Star Wars trilogy with v0.62. I'll have to do some tests later. As long as I don't see problems with regular titles I'm not going to invest too much time on this myself. With DVD-RB being able to process/strip angles itself soon I'll save my energy for tracking down problems if they appear then.

[jdobbs]

What kind of Apex are you using? I use a whole host of units for testing, and two of them are Apex -- a 1500 and a 1200.

[wmansir]

It's a 500W.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by wmansir
Unfortunately I'm having the same problems with ROTJ, R1 on my APEX player. Audio/Video stutters and some sync issues. I haven't burned Episode IV or V yet. However, I butchered the hell out of the source so I can't place the blame on DVD-RB.

I haven't looked at other, non-butchered, rebuilds with v0.62 to see if they have any problems because I haven't done any other than the Star Wars trilogy with v0.62. I'll have to do some tests later. As long as I don't see problems with regular titles I'm not going to invest too much time on this myself. With DVD-RB being able to process/strip angles itself soon I'll save my energy for tracking down problems if they appear then.

I just successfully made a backup of "Hollywood Homicide". The movie part was in a VTS set together with 7 pgc's with warnings. I "blanked" them and only kept the movie left in that VTS. I also removed some subs and audio streams with Ifoedit. Did the stripping with ifoedit/vobedit as well. Watched the whole movie tonight, and no stutter or drop outs at all.

So you're all right, no need to blame the star wars issue on DVDRB. It has got to do with the pre-processing of that movie. (Angles)

Actually I do most of my movies after they have somehow been pre-processed and I see no pattern in pre-processed/non processed movies when it comes to problems with DVDRB.

Most of them work 100%, but some of the non-working movies (with dropouts / stutter) where done from scratch (not pre-processed). But these movies worked on some standalones.

Looking forward to the new DVDRB version though.

/Julius

[jdobbs]

I'll be honest with you.... I've tested DVD-RB on over 400 discs, many of them more than once. I then play them on several different players looking for anomalies.

I saw one dropout... which was corrected.
I saw one stuttering problem -- which was caused by changes I made to 0.57 and later un-did.

I wish I knew what the problem was... but I can tell you that stutters and audio dropouts are extremely rare according to most users.

I got my originals of the Star Wars series delivered yesterday (finally). I'll run them through DVD-RB tonight and see what happens.

@wmansir

If you still have the working directory present could you try rebuilding (only) using v0.60? I want to make sure a change I made between 0.60 and 0.61 hasn't introduced a new "stutter" bug. I worry when I hear an Apex player has a problem... sometimes I think the 1500 would play a piece of toast if I loaded it.

[pg55555]

eriksen76

Actually I do most of my movies after they have somehow been pre-processed and I see no pattern in pre-processed/non processed movies when it comes to problems with DVDRB.

Are you saying that you have experienced from the audio dropouts and stuttering in non processed sources?, No even striping or replacing an extra, no RBOpt tinkering?. Or, in those cases, there were other problems?

That has not been my experience. And not the experience of the vast majority of RB happy users.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs

@wmansir

If you still have the working directory present could you try rebuilding (only) using v0.60? I want to make sure a change I made between 0.60 and 0.61 hasn't introduced a new "stutter" bug. I worry when I hear an Apex player has a problem... sometimes I think the 1500 would play a piece of toast if I loaded it.

I don't have the working directory but I still have the source directory in the same state as before. I'll just do the whole job over, it won't take that long.

[Milo Bloom]

Slightly off the subject, but has anyone examined what the difference is between the three angles on SW EP 4,5,6? Why would choosing one angle over another have different success rate?

[wmansir]

@jdobbs
Good news (or bad depending on what you were hoping for) the problems were not there with v0.60b. I'll give it a more thorough look tomorrow but the scene I looked at before that had 4 or 5 major stutters played without incident. Also, I may have been wrong about audio sync being off. I checked the source and it appears to be a badly dubbed line.

I'm going to re-do it with v0.61 just to be sure. It's probably a waste of time, but I'll just start it before I go to bed and it will be done by morning.

EDIT: Also, I did a regular DVD test with v0.62 and it played fine on my standlone.


@Milo Bloom
The difference in the R1 version is just the language of "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..." and the preamble. The angle is dependent on which audio track you select. So if you pick french, the preamble is in french too. I don't know how this would effect the success rate as the errors appeared all over the film and the angled section was only a small segment.

[geffroman]

I have gone back to Ver 56 as I never had issues then. I had perfect success with 56 on Episode IV. With 61 I have the audio hiccup on Episode V NTSC at 0.01.07 and 0.01.11. Used IfoEdit to strip angles.

I redid Episode V with 56 and problem solved.

Player is Sony 875 300 disc.

My Apex 2600 shows NO AUDIO drop. Ver 56 just seems to be Sony friendly to me.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by pg55555
eriksen76



Are you saying that you have experienced from the audio dropouts and stuttering in non processed sources?, No even striping or replacing an extra, no RBOpt tinkering?. Or, in those cases, there were other problems?

That has not been my experience. And not the experience of the vast majority of RB happy users.

Yes I did a file mode rip on a NTSC movie without removing anything but macrovisi0on, and it has one dropout on most dvd players. I have tryed this movie on all the latest versions of DVDRB and the same issue. If you want I can upload the clip where the drop out is. But there is no problem on my parents Sony standalone or PS2.

/Julius

[wmansir]

Just viewed my last test and the problem is present with v0.61.

[The_Flash]

Originally posted by wmansir
Unfortunately I'm having the same problems with ROTJ, R1 on my APEX player. Audio/Video stutters and some sync issues. I haven't burned Episode IV or V yet. However, I butchered the hell out of the source so I can't place the blame on DVD-RB.

My process was:

1. Use TitleSetBlanker to blankout all but the main movie/menu.

2. Use NuMenu to shrink the huge menus down to a reasonable size.

3. Use IFOEdit to strip the angles.

4. Use MenuEdit to remove unneeded menu buttons.

I haven't looked at other, non-butchered, rebuilds with v0.62 to see if they have any problems because I haven't done any other than the Star Wars trilogy with v0.62. I'll have to do some tests later. As long as I don't see problems with regular titles I'm not going to invest too much time on this myself. With DVD-RB being able to process/strip angles itself soon I'll save my energy for tracking down problems if they appear then.


What settings & bitrate did you choose in NuMenu4U? The scenes in among the letters during the intro always look blocky on my attempts so far. Also, how did you integrate this back into your original files?

[wlee]

I encoded one movie with .62 and CCE, but it has multiple places of skipping/stutter :( Lucky I didn't delete D2VAVS directory, and tried to rebuild (the last step) the movie with .59, and the result is free of skipping/stutter :D

It seems that some new bug has been introduced into .62 :confused:

[wmansir]

Originally posted by The_Flash
What settings & bitrate did you choose in NuMenu4U? The scenes in among the letters during the intro always look blocky on my attempts so far. Also, how did you integrate this back into your original files?

I One Pass VBR with a Q value of 50. That's the great thing about OPV, not only does it take less time, but when doing menus it does a much better job a regulating the bitrate. If you use a set birate you have to set it high for the motion scenes to look good, but then it is wasted on the low motion scenes.

I also used the CCE fitler 'natural picture' template, set the DC to 8, and used the low bitrate matrix. The output wasn't quite as sharp as the original, but I was more concerned about size and artifacts.

To integrate them back just take everything that's in the NuMenu VIDEO_TS output directory and copy it into the original files and answer yes to overwrite existing files.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
Just viewed my last test and the problem is present with v0.61. I reimplemented the fix I'd done in 0.57 for #0003 and #0004 errors -- I thought I'd found what caused the glitch when it was implemented the first time. It seems it may not be 100%... I'm going to look at this very closely and find out what is the source of this anomaly.

[The_Flash]

Originally posted by wmansir
I One Pass VBR with a Q value of 50. That's the great thing about OPV, not only does it take less time, but when doing menus it does a much better job a regulating the bitrate. If you use a set birate you have to set it high for the motion scenes to look good, but then it is wasted on the low motion scenes.


Beautiful! I didn't think of that. Thanks for explaining how to integrate, too.

[redsvt]

Ok, been using DVDRB .62 freeze frame on third cell. I removed .62 an dinstalled .56, guess what the disc plays, all three and on my sony:}

[jdobbs]

I'd recommend you use 0.60b if you want to rebuild -- and only if you have experienced a problem with 0.62. There have been a lot of other very important changes since 0.56...

[jdobbs]

I just mentioned in another thread:

"Unfortunately I believe the correction I made in 0.61 for some #0003/#0004 errors may be causing this new one. I made the same mistake in 0.57 but thought I'd found its cause. I'm having a really hard time balancing this... as fixing one problem appears to be causing the other.

I plan to post another version tonight to rectify this. In this one I will have both sets of code and add a checkmark in the options menu for folks to use in getting past those #0003/#0004 errors.

I'll leave that option in until I sort out the root of this."

[Fr4nz]

Hey jdobbs I was thinking that for users who have problems with rebuilding you could add an option named "experimental rebuilding" or "alternative rebuilding" or similar :D , which allows them to do the rebuilding phase in case they get 003-004 errors. Then you will keep this option as long as you find the cause of these problems.

[jwo62]

It may or may not me relavant,but there are many people having problems simply decrypting episode 4. The only way that i could backup the disc was to check "ignore errors" and set retries to 0.
it did shrink/process without any problems though.

my point is that your problems with episode 4 may be the source disc. I didnt have any problem with episodes 5 and 6,but if they were all authored the same way,who knows.

This is from the dvddc support forum,

QUOTE: SOLARTIS,

"I found the quote below in the forum on videohelp.com. After seeing this I spoke with customer service and they confirmed this was a known issue and replacements will be provided for people who call in. Shipments should start in a week or two. I think some players have better oversampling where you don't notice the pausing/stuttering/skipping/locking playing back the original disc but it's really bad on my older Panasonic. Here's the phone number if you need it.

Fox Consumer Hotline
(888) 223-2FOX

"In regards to the skipping and freezing errors on disk 1 (ANH).

I just got off the phone with Fox and they are replacing the disk with a corrected one. She referred only to the errors that happen on chapters 26 and 27. And that they were looked into and there was something actually wrong with the original "Master". My name, address, and phone number were taken, with the promise of a call to tell me when the new disk will be shipped."

the whole thread is here http://forum.dvddecrypter.com/index.php?showtopic=11920


Hope this helps,jim
:)

[Fishman0919]

I went back and did Star Wars E4 with DVD-RB .56 and it worked fine. No flashes, no video skips, no audio drops just one really great looking movie.

[The_Flash]

Can someone post 0.60b since it seems that that is the preferred version until this is fixed? I just used v0.62 and have the same problems mentioned in this thread.

[wmansir]

Here you go.

[The_Flash]

Wow, savin' me twice in the same thread. One more for the hat trick. Much appreciated.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by wmansir
Here you go.

Can you confirm that this version is better when doing the Star Wars movies? I have deleted the source material after doing "movie only" versions. So I would be able to perform any tests on it.

But i'll stick to the fact that Jdobbs said the never versions (062) has other improvementes, meaning that this versions is better to stick with.

/Julius

[jdobbs]

It's not "better" I would suggest only using it for discs that experience stutter. Sorry I can't be more specific -- but I really don't know why this is happening. I know what code is causing it, and I know it doesn't happen often, but I haven't been able to determine why it has this particular effect.

It's also easy to go back to the previous code and fix it -- which will result in more #0003/#0004 errors. I'll find it and correct it eventually.

[Fr4nz]

Maybe you could share this portion of code with other "experts" of this forum so they could sort out what is the problem.

[jdobbs]

It's not as simple as that. I'd have to post the entire application. I could show you what code changes -- but unless you know the impact of that code on the rest of the procedures it wouldn't really help.

[Fr4nz]

Yes I know that, but maybe you could just add some comments into the source which explain how the code affects other parts of the program.

This is just an idea, if it's not possible it's not surely your fault :)

[drmih]

This is a little off topic but I used to get exactly this problem with Scenarist. It used to drive me crazy until I found that it was specific to the hard drive. If I re-authored to one drive, say C:, it took longer but the files were always perfect. However, if I used the D: drive then it did the operation much quicker but the vobs started to get errors. I eventually used dvd maestro (which was okay on both drives) or stuck with the slower drive when I needed to use scenarist.

I know it's of little help, but it seemed like scenarist was writing quicker than it could actually cope with. Therefore, if something similar is happening here, then two people can do the same movie using the same software and versions but one is fine whilst the other problematic.

For information I did the R2 Star Wars (after sorting the angles with ifoedit) using RB 0.62 and had no problems.

[p200002]

It seems Star Wars IV is the most difficult to backup. I followed doom9's guide to get rid of angle 2 and 3, unwanted audio tracks and subtitles, and FBI warnings using IFOEDIT. Then process the output using DVDRB 0.62 and CCE SP retail.

After burned to DVD-R, I found video quality is excellent; however, there are audio drops in the first few chapters from chapter 3. To be specific, scene in which C3PO and R2D2 make their first appearance and the attack scenes after that. There were so many dropouts that I had to stop watching my backup copy.

Is it because the audito track that I kept is Digital EX?

[jdobbs]

If the D2VAVS directory is still on your hard drive, could you do me a favor? Try doing just the rebuild with version 0.60b and let me know if the audio drops are still there.

If not, don't worry about it -- I know I have a problem on some titles with 0.62, I'm just trying to determine the extent.

Thanks.

[p200002]

Where can I find 0.60?

[Fr4nz]

Here: http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=551095

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
If the D2VAVS directory is still on your hard drive, could you do me a favor? Try doing just the rebuild with version 0.60b and let me know if the audio drops are still there.

If not, don't worry about it -- I know I have a problem on some titles with 0.62, I'm just trying to determine the extent.

Thanks.

Might be a stupid question, but how do I rebuild with an other version than the one used from the beginning?

/Julius

[jdobbs]

Just run it, point it to the same source and a destination (could be the same but it will overwrite what's there), go to three click mode, and push the "Prepare" button.

[p200002]

Hey jdobbs, forgot what you have coded:eek:?

Go to 3-click mode and click Rebuild

Alright, I tried rebuild using 0.60b. There is no audio drops.

[redsvt]

Happy to report the .56 and .060b work great on all star wars discs, no frame freezes or audio dropouts, still even play on my two sonys:}

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Just run it, point it to the same source and a destination (could be the same but it will overwrite what's there), go to three click mode, and push the "Prepare" button.

"Three click mode"?? I'm not sure I get it. Will it not overwrite everything I just did then? Please make a small "guide"

Thanx in advance

/Julius

[Sir Didymus]

Julius, sorry for intromitting, but just reading the thread, it should be not so difficult to understand that the writing of "prepare" instead "rebuild" was just a typing mistake.

Also, insted of asking to write "guides" to people who have by sure other priorities, don't you imagine that somebody else has already prepared these for you in the last months ?

If you use google with "rebuilder guide", you get something like 20000 answers. The first two of them are quite all you need to learn perfectly the usage of DVD-RB...

You may also use the search button of this forum, before posting, and you get also some pertinent and useful answers...

If even the search button is too complex, you may see directly, just in the top of the forum, some very very useful sticky threads. I suggest you'd better reading some of them.

The one written by our moderator, concerning "DVD ReBuilder: Installation, Setup, and Usage" is beautiful, it is well written and it explains in plain words what is the three click mode and how to use it.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by p200002
Hey jdobbs, forgot what you have coded:eek:?

Go to 3-click mode and click Rebuild

Alright, I tried rebuild using 0.60b. There is no audio drops. Ehhh... hmmm... [clears his throat]... uhh.. yeah.

[pg55555]

Just confirming other reports:

Perfect backup of Episode IV encoded and rebuilded with version 0.56. I had experienced problems with 0.62.

R4 Latin America - NTSC - Angles 1 (English)and 3 (Portuguesse) stripped with IFOEdit

[jdobbs]

Again -- I recommend not to use versions before 0.60... a lot has been fixed since 0.56.

[kooky]

Hi jdobbs

do you plan to release a new version of DVDRB with multi-angles support?
or not yet?

[jdobbs]

Yes. But it has been delayed several times as I work through bugs. I may release an interim version that allows you to choose an angle to keep... since that's pretty easy to implement. My goal, however, is to create a truly angled copy of the original -- and that's what I've been working on.

[blueboyec]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I may release an interim version that allows you to choose an angle to keep... since that's pretty easy to implement.

Thats a great idea. Thanks for the hard work.

[casperse]

Hi All

I have experienced the same problem with the Starwars movies!

So I did a test with another known Freeze on my Sony KIL BILL VOL1
(Chapter 9 after 5 secounds)

And with Build 62 I get a freeze, but when I use build 60 every is working, So I dont think you have to go past build 60! (c:
(And no sound drop outs)

- Versions:
-- CCE SP Version: v2.67.0.27
-- MPEG2DEC3 Version: v1.0.1.0
-- AVISYNTH Version: v2.5.5.0

Regards
Casperse

[jdobbs]

Sigh... yeah... I tried to add some code in 0.61 that would help bypass #0003 and #0004 errors that I'm pretty confident are from bad sources. As a result it seems I've caused problems on certain other DVDs. It will be fixed in 0.63 (later today).

Sorry. That's what I get for trying to catch and correct bad input. I've, honestly, spent way too much time trying to modify DVD-RB to work with preprocessd files.

I've never had a #0003 or #0004 error, I assume it's because I don't preprocess (other than occasional angle removal).

[p200002]

jdobbs, there are two reasons why I ocassionally preprocess my DVDs before using rebuilder.

1. To remove multi-angles (hope rebuilder will support it soon);
2. To remove the first audio track, i.e. keep DTS which is the 2nd audio track.

[kooky]

Originally posted by p200002
jdobbs, there are two reasons why I ocassionally preprocess my DVDs before using rebuilder.

1. To remove multi-angles (hope rebuilder will support it soon); i'm waiting this feature, please hurry up jdobbs lol (joke)

or a support for multi-angles to keep them will be great :D

[wmansir]

I just did ROTJ with v0.63 (regular rebuild mode) and noticed small video stutters with WinDVD. I thought perhaps it was a disc reading errors because fragmentation (the disc was almost full), but I re-muxed it with v0.60b and it was fine.

I'm heading out now, but when I get back in a couple of hours I'll run some more tests.

[borgraf]

I've also tested SW 6 ROTJ, but the PAL (nordic) release. With the exact same setup and source for the runs I get this: with 0.60b it plays flawless in both WinDVD and my standalone Sony! Version 0.63 (both normal and special rebuild) creates the exact same behaviour as 0.62 did, WinDVD stutters and the standalone freezes at a couple of places, the only difference is that vulen reports no errors at all for 0.63.

I'm not sure how valid this film is to test on since it was processed with ifoedit first, but it's interesting that one version makes it work. The 2 places it freezes up are the only 2 vobid changes in the main movie.

*edited*

[p200002]

Have you guys used nero to scan the burned disc? If there are unreadable sectors, you will see the "shutter".

[borgraf]

Originally posted by p200002
Have you guys used nero to scan the burned disc? If there are unreadable sectors, you will see the "shutter".
I almost wish it was, but I know it's not the discs.

[jdobbs]

Blast!!! I ran ROTJ through last night... I'll see how it looks today. I hope I didn't cause new problems by getting rid of the runt VOBUs.

Two steps forward, one step back...

[jdobbs]

I just posted a new version -- the runt fix seems to be causing some pretty serious problems. I've removed just that portion.

[wmansir]

Looks good now.

I'm re-doing this movie (ROTJ) from scratch for the 6 or 7th time, most of those were testing, but after looking at the output so much I've decided it doesn't look as good as it should. After checking out the bitrate distribution I've decided to try it without dyn. ass. bitrates. AVG bitrate is 3700kbps, but there are too many with 2800-3000 and others with 4500+, that don't appear to need it.

[wmansir]

I had already rebuilt SW VI, and V using v0.62 leaving nothing but the final (but stuttering) iso on my HD and I didn't want to re-do them all over so I decided to see if I could salvage them. Luckily I could and here's how.

1. Run DVD-RB in Rejig mode. (You don't have to have Rejig actually setup because we aren't going to use it.)

Turn off 1-click mode.

Select your corrupt v0.62 disc as your source and run the prepare step.

2. Go into your D2VAVS folder and rename all .mpv files to .m2v.

3. Open the Rebuilder.inf file and change "progress=1" to "progress=2".

4. Close DVD-RB and then re-open it. You should be able to run the rebuild step now.



That's it. The new files should play fine now.

[pg55555]

I tested ROTJ with 0.63a and the stuttering problem I have experienced with v0.62 have disappeared

ROTJ R4 (LatinAmerica) preprocessed with IFOEdit to eliminate angles 1 and 3.
Avysinth 2.54 / CCE SP 2.66

It worked flawlessly with v0.56 (it is the disc I'm keeping as back-up). Just for testing I tried to rebuild the encoded files with V0.60 and 0.62 but got error #004 in both cases

It worked with v0.60. For testind I tried rebuilding the encoded files with v0.56 and it worked, no error and the DVD played w/o problems

As mentioned, It also worked w/o problem with v0.63a. Excellent quality (for me at least)

TIP for maximizing bitrate for the movie and keeping menus and extras:
- After eliminating the angles load the DVD files in Shrink
- Highlight the "Menu" and verify with the "Custom" setting what are the maximum and minimum compression you can get for the menu.
-Calculate the difference in MB between both (In this case is around 180 MB). Divide by two to convert the result to sectors (in this case 90)
- Add this figure to your TargetSectors setting in Rebuilder.ini (I usually set it to 2260000, so now it would be 2350000)
- Run RB (I use Half D1 for extras).
- Of course the output will be oversized. So load it on Shrink and process with "No Compression" for the movie, set "Custom" with the maximum compression for the Menus and let it in automatic for the extras.
- Burn the output

Using this method you can compress the only part of the DVD that RB does not compress, the Menus

PAblo

[The_Flash]

Isn't it a lot easier to just shrink the menus first and then process with DVD-RB? I don't see why you would go through all these extra steps.

[cmsoliveira]

Isn't it a lot easier to just shrink the menus first and then process with DVD-RB? I don't see why you would go through all these extra steps.

Dvd-RB might not like the pre-processed source, and u could end up with a backup with errors.

As Jdobbs says, DVD-RB is made for untouched sources.

The method above is something i use a lot whem compressing large menus, but instead of changing the targetsectors, i use Rb-Opt to give me the amount of overzise i want.

[The_Flash]

I've used DVDShrink to reduce menu size, DVDRemake for editing, Ifoedit to strip angles and audio, and VobBlanker for removing titlesets. I've backed up almost my entire collection of DVDs and have never run into a problem with pre-processed files, sometimes using a combination of the previously mentioned programs. I can understand for testing purposes you wouldn't want to confound your results, other than that you must be really unlucky or I the opposite.

[p200002]

jdobbs, I have ripped Star Wars V with 0.63a. Perfect.

[the.forsaken]

hey guys, this is my 1st post... so go easy :)
i'm trying to backup the starwars DVD's, have removed the angles from the main movie using IFOedit, the movie encodes fine using DVD-RB etc, but the 'play' on the menu no longer players the movie. In my standalone it doesnt do anything, in Powerdvd is acts like you just ejected the disk.

You can still play the movie by going to the scene selection menu without problems, just the main play button is broken.

I think this is to do with multi angles within the menu - the R4-Pal dvd's have 3 different menu's for each disk (you can choose them by pressing 1-3 on the DVD remote during the copyright warnings). I have tried recoding the menu's with Shrink, and attempting to remove the menu angles with IFOedit but with no luck!

Can anyone give me any tips as to what I might be doing wrong?

i would just like to add, i have never had any problems with the audio/stutter stuff, DVD-RB has been a fantastic program since I started using it at 0.3somthing : )

cheers :)

[wmansir]

Does the play button make the play movie animation play and then the error happens? or does the error happen as soon as the button is pushed?

If it happens immediatly it is probably a problem within the menu files. If you haven't done much fiddling with the menu it's not likely to be the problem though.

If it happens after the animation plays I would think it's a problem with one of the logos that plays before the movie starts. (THX logo for example) Did you strip, or modifiy them?

If this is only happening on a burned disc it could be a media/burning problem. Those logo videos are placed at the very end of the disc so if your using bad media that is where errors will show up first.

[cbwarz]

Hi,

I'm trying to DVDRB the movie too, but i'm freezed in the multiangle thing :(. Please help.

What i have done:
1. Rip dvd with decrypter FILE mode, all files
2. open main vts with ifoedit, go to vob extras and choose keep angle 2, then it make all vobs in other dir and additionally creates a vts_xxx.vob same size than original. No ifo files copied.
3. Then copy that new files to overwrite the old ones.
4. Reencode with DVDRB.

It can't be played on my DVD :(

What i must do after the ifoedit removes the angles?

Thank you in advance

BTW: Great program!

[the.forsaken]

Originally posted by wmansir
Does the play button make the play movie animation play and then the error happens? or does the error happen as soon as the button is pushed?

If it happens immediatly it is probably a problem within the menu files. If you haven't done much fiddling with the menu it's not likely to be the problem though.

If it happens after the animation plays I would think it's a problem with one of the logos that plays before the movie starts. (THX logo for example) Did you strip, or modifiy them?

If this is only happening on a burned disc it could be a media/burning problem. Those logo videos are placed at the very end of the disc so if your using bad media that is where errors will show up first.

play button animation works fine, and the problem also occurs with the copy on my HDD so its not a media issue
All the logo's are still present in my encoded copy still!

this one has got me stumped! this is the IV R4 PAL dvd btw, havent tried any of the other 3 yet

[pg55555]

cbwarz

After removing the angles and before process with RB, does the movie play from your Hard Disk? If not, is not a problem with RB but from your process with IFOEdit.

Instead of copying the IFOEdit processed files to the source folder, try copying the missing files from the source folder to the target folder (if I remember correctly they are the VTS 2 to 4). When you remove the angles you also remove a couple of VOBIDs, making the VTS 1 shorter (instead of 9 VOBs -0 to 8- it should have now just 8 (0 to 7-). That was my experience with the 3 disks of Star Wars.

Try checking the integrity of your angle-removed files by loading them into DVD-Shrink

[SAPSTAR]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
I think you don't know how to use DVD-RB or you aren't able just to setup it correctly, 'cause I'm doing lots of backups with it ** F L A W L E S S L Y **.

The problem occurs only on some specific DVD players, you should try to change your DVD player :D , example :
The Thing - Same DVD played on :

Philips DVP675 : A lot of stuttering, especially when the audio bitrate + video bitrate increase (explosions for example...)

Venturer : Some stuttering but very rarely

Sone NS725P : No stuttering at all

I really think that the new version decreasing the Video Max Bitrate according to the audio bitrate will solve those problems...Well done as usual JDobbs !!!!!

[cbwarz]

pg55555

Thank you :D, works now

[Msc_Alex]

Originally posted by wmansir
I had already rebuilt SW VI, and V using v0.62 leaving nothing but the final (but stuttering) iso on my HD and I didn't want to re-do them all over so I decided to see if I could salvage them. Luckily I could and here's how.

1. Run DVD-RB in Rejig mode. (You don't have to have Rejig actually setup because we aren't going to use it.)

Turn off 1-click mode.

Select your corrupt v0.62 disc as your source and run the prepare step.

2. Go into your D2VAVS folder and rename all .mpv files to .m2v.

3. Open the Rebuilder.inf file and change "progress=1" to "progress=2".

4. Close DVD-RB and then re-open it. You should be able to run the rebuild step now.



That's it. The new files should play fine now.

Thanks wmansir
after following your procedure all stutters were gone in the start of sw4, except 1(big ship from behind). So I demux m2v, ac3 and subs of the main movie (doitfast4u) then rebuild de VTS1 with maestro and ifoupdate (old fashion way)
Then my backup played fine.
If I fine the time I will check the difference between the maestro and RB rebuild on the vobs.

[survivant]

what are multi-angle ? I saw SW 4, and this are 3 angle for the VST_02 (I think is this one). That's mean there is 3 way to see the chapter ?

suppose I want only the full angle.. How do I know that (maybe the size) and I can use DVDShrink 3.2 and select the angle that I want.. do a full backup (no compression) after that us DVD-RB ?

[dannyv]

Originally posted by survivant
what are multi-angle ? I saw SW 4, and this are 3 angle for the VST_02 (I think is this one). That's mean there is 3 way to see the chapter ?


The angles are different languages that are displayed during the opening scene "A Long time ago in a galaxy far away" The first angle is the english version.

[Xirtam G]

hi guys

This is a long thread and i have to go to work now

Can someone tell me what i need to do get starwars woring with rb? i have the r2 release.

[survivant]

thanks dannyv, now i know the problem with the angles. If I want to keep everything on the dvd, I have no choice but to use dvdfab ?

[dannyv]

Originally posted by survivant
thanks dannyv, now i know the problem with the angles. If I want to keep everything on the dvd, I have no choice but to use dvdfab ?

Or you can use DVD Shrink. Its free, simple and has good quality. Not as good as rebuilder but still acceptable.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by Xirtam G
hi guys

This is a long thread and i have to go to work now

Can someone tell me what i need to do get starwars woring with rb? i have the r2 release.

Yes,

Tell us what the problem is or read the Thread.

But you can start by making sure your using the most current version of RB v63a and when upgrading make sure you delete the rebuilder.ini file.

[survivant]

did someone try it with the dvd-rb 0.65 release ?

[jdobbs]

I did.


Correction: NTSC.

[dannyv]

I re-tried it with .60b and it worked fine. I did terminator with .65 and that worked fine so I don't see any reason why starwars should'nt work with .65.

<edit> version was NTSC

[k-c-ksum]

Originally posted by eriksen76
I encoded Star Wars Episode 4 today and now it both freezes and audio drop outs. Especially in the beginning.

Sorry to say it but I think I will soon give up on DVDRB as it still have some bugs no matter which settings I use. Never as worse as today though. Its in the beginning where the large space ship comes, it acts as if it was a badly burned disc!

Too bad, as its a pretty cool program.

/Julius

what are you using to feed rebuilder? A dvddecrypter image/files from ya hard drive? does it play fine from hd before you run it through rebuilder?


The way i do multi angle stuff with rebuilder is this:


starwars backup usin rebuilder:

1.Use dvd decypter to copy everything except the main movie to ya
harddrive.
2.Have a look to see how much space this takes up

3.Use DVDshrink to do a movie only back-up(no compression) with the audio ya want.

4.Run this movie only back-up through rebuilder. Dont encode yet.
5.Open RBopt app and select the global options
6.reduce the slider until the estimated size is lower enough to
accomodate the files copied with dvdecrypter.
7.Save settings andclose RBopt
8.Open Rebuilder and encode then rebuild.
9. Copy the rebuilt movie vobs, VTS_01_1 etc (not VTS_01_0)into the same folder as the dvddecypted files, (do not copy any ifo or bup files)
10. Use Ifoupdate to fix the original/authored VTS_01_0.ifo files

http://img70.exs.cx/img70/1783/ifoupdate.gif
Original Path is the dvddecrypted Files
Authoured Path is the new rebuilder movieonly ifo file

set ifoupdate as in the pic then ya done.

Been there and done em myself. It works.

If ya can do that, next time ya can get real messy and remove 2 of the 3 random menus and link them to 1 saving 350+ mb from the menu :)

[hobyho]

Originally posted by survivant
did someone try it with the dvd-rb 0.65 release ?

I have done all of the star wars trilogy using 0.65 without any problems.

[jdobbs]

I assume you kept the angles rather than removing them, right?

[pg55555]

I did Star Wars Episode I R4 NTSC with 0.65, keep the angles, work perfectly.

The angles were the same as in the Trilogy

[ljpp]

Sorry to bounce an old thread back up, but I need to confirm this.

I recently backed up the Star Wars Trilogy, but I have experienced playback problems. My Philips DVD-952 had problems in chapter changes, which caused hickups to the player. I tried with my friends Sony NS-315 and the playback stuttered slightly.

I have currently too many moving pieces in the puzzle: I recently god some new media for testing that I haven't used before, and also two new DVD recorders, so I am not sure what actually is the problem here.

Therefore I want to verify that my backups are ok, so that I can proceed and troubleshoot the media & drive.

Should DVD Decrypter + DVD-RB .091 free + HC 0.14 combo be able encode Star Wars Trilogy (Nordic) correctly, without any manual tunings?

[jdobbs]

Yes, it should. But, of course, the only version I have personally tested is NTSC.

[ljpp]

There is something now wrong in my DVD-RB+HC setup.

The problem is not limited to Star Wars, I think. On chapter changes my Philips DVD-952 gets sometimes totally confused, and "reboots". Same has now happened with other movies as well. Media is not the issue - good media used and various brands tried.

UPDATE:

Bit more info for trouble shooting. This is not really a SW issue anymore - sorry for going off topic.

- I have used DVD-RB free and upgraded on top of it, so I now started from scratch with Rockas Installer.
- I have reproduced the problem with SW trilogy nordic (boot at some chapter changes), Magnificient 7 Nordic (booted twice while watching, at chapter change) and now something similar with AC/DC family jewels (short glitch/pause few seconds after song change)

All these discs were ripped with latest DVD Decrypter. I applied MenuShrink 2.2 to all of them - could it be a factor? I have HC Enc 0.14 set up with profile BEST and MPEG matrix from the .INI file.

Anyone experienced anything similar? Any ideas to troubleshoot? I am now trying another Family Jewels encode with 0.93 beta Rockas installer.

[jeanl]

MenuShrink does not modify the title vobs (the movie part of the DVD) at all, only the menu vobs. So I doubt that it would be the cause. Your problem is very strange, I think you'll need to revert to a setup that can work, then work your way through all the changes you've made until you find the cause. Not a lot of fun, but I don't see any other way! :(
jeanl

[ljpp]

It now seems that complete uninstall/delete, and then installing Rockas .93 solved the problem. I went on and invested to the Pro version in the process as well :)