Star Wars problems (Subject edited)

[pg55555]

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I generally agree with you. RB is a more than excellent piece of software. I have done circa 100 backups with it without problems and with excellent results.

My only problems, and not always, are with pre-processed DVDs.

The case of Star Wars Episode IV is an example: As it contains multiangles, it cannot be processed by RB without pre-processing.

And it seems RB is very sensitive to pre-processing, the output is not guaranteed. Which I can understand, because if being able to reauthor automatically a DVD taking into account the different way commercials DVD are authored is a kind of miracle, when you compose the ilimited creativity of all us people doing pre-processing with Remake, Lab, Shrink, ... probably makes the task impossible.

[wmansir]

Unfortunately I'm having the same problems with ROTJ, R1 on my APEX player. Audio/Video stutters and some sync issues. I haven't burned Episode IV or V yet. However, I butchered the hell out of the source so I can't place the blame on DVD-RB.

My process was:

1. Use TitleSetBlanker to blankout all but the main movie/menu.

2. Use NuMenu to shrink the huge menus down to a reasonable size.

3. Use IFOEdit to strip the angles.

4. Use MenuEdit to remove unneeded menu buttons.

I haven't looked at other, non-butchered, rebuilds with v0.62 to see if they have any problems because I haven't done any other than the Star Wars trilogy with v0.62. I'll have to do some tests later. As long as I don't see problems with regular titles I'm not going to invest too much time on this myself. With DVD-RB being able to process/strip angles itself soon I'll save my energy for tracking down problems if they appear then.

[jdobbs]

What kind of Apex are you using? I use a whole host of units for testing, and two of them are Apex -- a 1500 and a 1200.

[wmansir]

It's a 500W.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by wmansir
Unfortunately I'm having the same problems with ROTJ, R1 on my APEX player. Audio/Video stutters and some sync issues. I haven't burned Episode IV or V yet. However, I butchered the hell out of the source so I can't place the blame on DVD-RB.

I haven't looked at other, non-butchered, rebuilds with v0.62 to see if they have any problems because I haven't done any other than the Star Wars trilogy with v0.62. I'll have to do some tests later. As long as I don't see problems with regular titles I'm not going to invest too much time on this myself. With DVD-RB being able to process/strip angles itself soon I'll save my energy for tracking down problems if they appear then.

I just successfully made a backup of "Hollywood Homicide". The movie part was in a VTS set together with 7 pgc's with warnings. I "blanked" them and only kept the movie left in that VTS. I also removed some subs and audio streams with Ifoedit. Did the stripping with ifoedit/vobedit as well. Watched the whole movie tonight, and no stutter or drop outs at all.

So you're all right, no need to blame the star wars issue on DVDRB. It has got to do with the pre-processing of that movie. (Angles)

Actually I do most of my movies after they have somehow been pre-processed and I see no pattern in pre-processed/non processed movies when it comes to problems with DVDRB.

Most of them work 100%, but some of the non-working movies (with dropouts / stutter) where done from scratch (not pre-processed). But these movies worked on some standalones.

Looking forward to the new DVDRB version though.

/Julius

[jdobbs]

I'll be honest with you.... I've tested DVD-RB on over 400 discs, many of them more than once. I then play them on several different players looking for anomalies.

I saw one dropout... which was corrected.
I saw one stuttering problem -- which was caused by changes I made to 0.57 and later un-did.

I wish I knew what the problem was... but I can tell you that stutters and audio dropouts are extremely rare according to most users.

I got my originals of the Star Wars series delivered yesterday (finally). I'll run them through DVD-RB tonight and see what happens.

@wmansir

If you still have the working directory present could you try rebuilding (only) using v0.60? I want to make sure a change I made between 0.60 and 0.61 hasn't introduced a new "stutter" bug. I worry when I hear an Apex player has a problem... sometimes I think the 1500 would play a piece of toast if I loaded it.

[pg55555]

eriksen76

Actually I do most of my movies after they have somehow been pre-processed and I see no pattern in pre-processed/non processed movies when it comes to problems with DVDRB.

Are you saying that you have experienced from the audio dropouts and stuttering in non processed sources?, No even striping or replacing an extra, no RBOpt tinkering?. Or, in those cases, there were other problems?

That has not been my experience. And not the experience of the vast majority of RB happy users.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs

@wmansir

If you still have the working directory present could you try rebuilding (only) using v0.60? I want to make sure a change I made between 0.60 and 0.61 hasn't introduced a new "stutter" bug. I worry when I hear an Apex player has a problem... sometimes I think the 1500 would play a piece of toast if I loaded it.

I don't have the working directory but I still have the source directory in the same state as before. I'll just do the whole job over, it won't take that long.

[Milo Bloom]

Slightly off the subject, but has anyone examined what the difference is between the three angles on SW EP 4,5,6? Why would choosing one angle over another have different success rate?

[wmansir]

@jdobbs
Good news (or bad depending on what you were hoping for) the problems were not there with v0.60b. I'll give it a more thorough look tomorrow but the scene I looked at before that had 4 or 5 major stutters played without incident. Also, I may have been wrong about audio sync being off. I checked the source and it appears to be a badly dubbed line.

I'm going to re-do it with v0.61 just to be sure. It's probably a waste of time, but I'll just start it before I go to bed and it will be done by morning.

EDIT: Also, I did a regular DVD test with v0.62 and it played fine on my standlone.


@Milo Bloom
The difference in the R1 version is just the language of "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away..." and the preamble. The angle is dependent on which audio track you select. So if you pick french, the preamble is in french too. I don't know how this would effect the success rate as the errors appeared all over the film and the angled section was only a small segment.

[geffroman]

I have gone back to Ver 56 as I never had issues then. I had perfect success with 56 on Episode IV. With 61 I have the audio hiccup on Episode V NTSC at 0.01.07 and 0.01.11. Used IfoEdit to strip angles.

I redid Episode V with 56 and problem solved.

Player is Sony 875 300 disc.

My Apex 2600 shows NO AUDIO drop. Ver 56 just seems to be Sony friendly to me.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by pg55555
eriksen76



Are you saying that you have experienced from the audio dropouts and stuttering in non processed sources?, No even striping or replacing an extra, no RBOpt tinkering?. Or, in those cases, there were other problems?

That has not been my experience. And not the experience of the vast majority of RB happy users.

Yes I did a file mode rip on a NTSC movie without removing anything but macrovisi0on, and it has one dropout on most dvd players. I have tryed this movie on all the latest versions of DVDRB and the same issue. If you want I can upload the clip where the drop out is. But there is no problem on my parents Sony standalone or PS2.

/Julius

[wmansir]

Just viewed my last test and the problem is present with v0.61.

[The_Flash]

Originally posted by wmansir
Unfortunately I'm having the same problems with ROTJ, R1 on my APEX player. Audio/Video stutters and some sync issues. I haven't burned Episode IV or V yet. However, I butchered the hell out of the source so I can't place the blame on DVD-RB.

My process was:

1. Use TitleSetBlanker to blankout all but the main movie/menu.

2. Use NuMenu to shrink the huge menus down to a reasonable size.

3. Use IFOEdit to strip the angles.

4. Use MenuEdit to remove unneeded menu buttons.

I haven't looked at other, non-butchered, rebuilds with v0.62 to see if they have any problems because I haven't done any other than the Star Wars trilogy with v0.62. I'll have to do some tests later. As long as I don't see problems with regular titles I'm not going to invest too much time on this myself. With DVD-RB being able to process/strip angles itself soon I'll save my energy for tracking down problems if they appear then.


What settings & bitrate did you choose in NuMenu4U? The scenes in among the letters during the intro always look blocky on my attempts so far. Also, how did you integrate this back into your original files?

[wlee]

I encoded one movie with .62 and CCE, but it has multiple places of skipping/stutter :( Lucky I didn't delete D2VAVS directory, and tried to rebuild (the last step) the movie with .59, and the result is free of skipping/stutter :D

It seems that some new bug has been introduced into .62 :confused:

[wmansir]

Originally posted by The_Flash
What settings & bitrate did you choose in NuMenu4U? The scenes in among the letters during the intro always look blocky on my attempts so far. Also, how did you integrate this back into your original files?

I One Pass VBR with a Q value of 50. That's the great thing about OPV, not only does it take less time, but when doing menus it does a much better job a regulating the bitrate. If you use a set birate you have to set it high for the motion scenes to look good, but then it is wasted on the low motion scenes.

I also used the CCE fitler 'natural picture' template, set the DC to 8, and used the low bitrate matrix. The output wasn't quite as sharp as the original, but I was more concerned about size and artifacts.

To integrate them back just take everything that's in the NuMenu VIDEO_TS output directory and copy it into the original files and answer yes to overwrite existing files.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
Just viewed my last test and the problem is present with v0.61. I reimplemented the fix I'd done in 0.57 for #0003 and #0004 errors -- I thought I'd found what caused the glitch when it was implemented the first time. It seems it may not be 100%... I'm going to look at this very closely and find out what is the source of this anomaly.

[The_Flash]

Originally posted by wmansir
I One Pass VBR with a Q value of 50. That's the great thing about OPV, not only does it take less time, but when doing menus it does a much better job a regulating the bitrate. If you use a set birate you have to set it high for the motion scenes to look good, but then it is wasted on the low motion scenes.


Beautiful! I didn't think of that. Thanks for explaining how to integrate, too.

[redsvt]

Ok, been using DVDRB .62 freeze frame on third cell. I removed .62 an dinstalled .56, guess what the disc plays, all three and on my sony:}

[jdobbs]

I'd recommend you use 0.60b if you want to rebuild -- and only if you have experienced a problem with 0.62. There have been a lot of other very important changes since 0.56...

[jdobbs]

I just mentioned in another thread:

"Unfortunately I believe the correction I made in 0.61 for some #0003/#0004 errors may be causing this new one. I made the same mistake in 0.57 but thought I'd found its cause. I'm having a really hard time balancing this... as fixing one problem appears to be causing the other.

I plan to post another version tonight to rectify this. In this one I will have both sets of code and add a checkmark in the options menu for folks to use in getting past those #0003/#0004 errors.

I'll leave that option in until I sort out the root of this."

[Fr4nz]

Hey jdobbs I was thinking that for users who have problems with rebuilding you could add an option named "experimental rebuilding" or "alternative rebuilding" or similar :D , which allows them to do the rebuilding phase in case they get 003-004 errors. Then you will keep this option as long as you find the cause of these problems.

[jwo62]

It may or may not me relavant,but there are many people having problems simply decrypting episode 4. The only way that i could backup the disc was to check "ignore errors" and set retries to 0.
it did shrink/process without any problems though.

my point is that your problems with episode 4 may be the source disc. I didnt have any problem with episodes 5 and 6,but if they were all authored the same way,who knows.

This is from the dvddc support forum,

QUOTE: SOLARTIS,

"I found the quote below in the forum on videohelp.com. After seeing this I spoke with customer service and they confirmed this was a known issue and replacements will be provided for people who call in. Shipments should start in a week or two. I think some players have better oversampling where you don't notice the pausing/stuttering/skipping/locking playing back the original disc but it's really bad on my older Panasonic. Here's the phone number if you need it.

Fox Consumer Hotline
(888) 223-2FOX

"In regards to the skipping and freezing errors on disk 1 (ANH).

I just got off the phone with Fox and they are replacing the disk with a corrected one. She referred only to the errors that happen on chapters 26 and 27. And that they were looked into and there was something actually wrong with the original "Master". My name, address, and phone number were taken, with the promise of a call to tell me when the new disk will be shipped."

the whole thread is here http://forum.dvddecrypter.com/index.php?showtopic=11920


Hope this helps,jim
:)

[Fishman0919]

I went back and did Star Wars E4 with DVD-RB .56 and it worked fine. No flashes, no video skips, no audio drops just one really great looking movie.

[The_Flash]

Can someone post 0.60b since it seems that that is the preferred version until this is fixed? I just used v0.62 and have the same problems mentioned in this thread.

[wmansir]

Here you go.

[The_Flash]

Wow, savin' me twice in the same thread. One more for the hat trick. Much appreciated.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by wmansir
Here you go.

Can you confirm that this version is better when doing the Star Wars movies? I have deleted the source material after doing "movie only" versions. So I would be able to perform any tests on it.

But i'll stick to the fact that Jdobbs said the never versions (062) has other improvementes, meaning that this versions is better to stick with.

/Julius

[jdobbs]

It's not "better" I would suggest only using it for discs that experience stutter. Sorry I can't be more specific -- but I really don't know why this is happening. I know what code is causing it, and I know it doesn't happen often, but I haven't been able to determine why it has this particular effect.

It's also easy to go back to the previous code and fix it -- which will result in more #0003/#0004 errors. I'll find it and correct it eventually.

[Fr4nz]

Maybe you could share this portion of code with other "experts" of this forum so they could sort out what is the problem.

[jdobbs]

It's not as simple as that. I'd have to post the entire application. I could show you what code changes -- but unless you know the impact of that code on the rest of the procedures it wouldn't really help.

[Fr4nz]

Yes I know that, but maybe you could just add some comments into the source which explain how the code affects other parts of the program.

This is just an idea, if it's not possible it's not surely your fault :)

[drmih]

This is a little off topic but I used to get exactly this problem with Scenarist. It used to drive me crazy until I found that it was specific to the hard drive. If I re-authored to one drive, say C:, it took longer but the files were always perfect. However, if I used the D: drive then it did the operation much quicker but the vobs started to get errors. I eventually used dvd maestro (which was okay on both drives) or stuck with the slower drive when I needed to use scenarist.

I know it's of little help, but it seemed like scenarist was writing quicker than it could actually cope with. Therefore, if something similar is happening here, then two people can do the same movie using the same software and versions but one is fine whilst the other problematic.

For information I did the R2 Star Wars (after sorting the angles with ifoedit) using RB 0.62 and had no problems.

[p200002]

It seems Star Wars IV is the most difficult to backup. I followed doom9's guide to get rid of angle 2 and 3, unwanted audio tracks and subtitles, and FBI warnings using IFOEDIT. Then process the output using DVDRB 0.62 and CCE SP retail.

After burned to DVD-R, I found video quality is excellent; however, there are audio drops in the first few chapters from chapter 3. To be specific, scene in which C3PO and R2D2 make their first appearance and the attack scenes after that. There were so many dropouts that I had to stop watching my backup copy.

Is it because the audito track that I kept is Digital EX?

[jdobbs]

If the D2VAVS directory is still on your hard drive, could you do me a favor? Try doing just the rebuild with version 0.60b and let me know if the audio drops are still there.

If not, don't worry about it -- I know I have a problem on some titles with 0.62, I'm just trying to determine the extent.

Thanks.

[p200002]

Where can I find 0.60?

[Fr4nz]

Here: http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=551095

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
If the D2VAVS directory is still on your hard drive, could you do me a favor? Try doing just the rebuild with version 0.60b and let me know if the audio drops are still there.

If not, don't worry about it -- I know I have a problem on some titles with 0.62, I'm just trying to determine the extent.

Thanks.

Might be a stupid question, but how do I rebuild with an other version than the one used from the beginning?

/Julius

[jdobbs]

Just run it, point it to the same source and a destination (could be the same but it will overwrite what's there), go to three click mode, and push the "Prepare" button.

[p200002]

Hey jdobbs, forgot what you have coded:eek:?

Go to 3-click mode and click Rebuild

Alright, I tried rebuild using 0.60b. There is no audio drops.

[redsvt]

Happy to report the .56 and .060b work great on all star wars discs, no frame freezes or audio dropouts, still even play on my two sonys:}

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Just run it, point it to the same source and a destination (could be the same but it will overwrite what's there), go to three click mode, and push the "Prepare" button.

"Three click mode"?? I'm not sure I get it. Will it not overwrite everything I just did then? Please make a small "guide"

Thanx in advance

/Julius

[Sir Didymus]

Julius, sorry for intromitting, but just reading the thread, it should be not so difficult to understand that the writing of "prepare" instead "rebuild" was just a typing mistake.

Also, insted of asking to write "guides" to people who have by sure other priorities, don't you imagine that somebody else has already prepared these for you in the last months ?

If you use google with "rebuilder guide", you get something like 20000 answers. The first two of them are quite all you need to learn perfectly the usage of DVD-RB...

You may also use the search button of this forum, before posting, and you get also some pertinent and useful answers...

If even the search button is too complex, you may see directly, just in the top of the forum, some very very useful sticky threads. I suggest you'd better reading some of them.

The one written by our moderator, concerning "DVD ReBuilder: Installation, Setup, and Usage" is beautiful, it is well written and it explains in plain words what is the three click mode and how to use it.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by p200002
Hey jdobbs, forgot what you have coded:eek:?

Go to 3-click mode and click Rebuild

Alright, I tried rebuild using 0.60b. There is no audio drops. Ehhh... hmmm... [clears his throat]... uhh.. yeah.

[pg55555]

Just confirming other reports:

Perfect backup of Episode IV encoded and rebuilded with version 0.56. I had experienced problems with 0.62.

R4 Latin America - NTSC - Angles 1 (English)and 3 (Portuguesse) stripped with IFOEdit

[jdobbs]

Again -- I recommend not to use versions before 0.60... a lot has been fixed since 0.56.

[kooky]

Hi jdobbs

do you plan to release a new version of DVDRB with multi-angles support?
or not yet?

[jdobbs]

Yes. But it has been delayed several times as I work through bugs. I may release an interim version that allows you to choose an angle to keep... since that's pretty easy to implement. My goal, however, is to create a truly angled copy of the original -- and that's what I've been working on.

[blueboyec]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I may release an interim version that allows you to choose an angle to keep... since that's pretty easy to implement.

Thats a great idea. Thanks for the hard work.

[casperse]

Hi All

I have experienced the same problem with the Starwars movies!

So I did a test with another known Freeze on my Sony KIL BILL VOL1
(Chapter 9 after 5 secounds)

And with Build 62 I get a freeze, but when I use build 60 every is working, So I dont think you have to go past build 60! (c:
(And no sound drop outs)

- Versions:
-- CCE SP Version: v2.67.0.27
-- MPEG2DEC3 Version: v1.0.1.0
-- AVISYNTH Version: v2.5.5.0

Regards
Casperse