RV10 GUI: YS RealAnime

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Gannjunior
@Sirbert
Yes,i've read i need to use it in expert mode.and i've done it.the problem is when i load my avs file,after i've setted the codec option,i 'add' the job....i 'start', but... what happen is: the job i've added disappear and doesn't happen anything...
another problem: you've put all kind of framerate,but not PAL 25 fps...:p
could you add it in your next final version plz?
ciao! Preview 2 is hardcoded to 23.976FPS to workaround a bug of producer. In Preview 3, the source FPS will be detected automaticly. I will also remove AVS support (for input) since I can't use Morice's VidTool on them.

Also, Sirber has no "T" :p

[Gannjunior]

ops...sorry Sirber!;)

[Sirber]

Some news:

Moving from the cmdline version to the SDK is almost finished. The encoding works, 2-pass management also, what need to be done is error chekcing. Then, I have to create a bitrate calculator for the "external audio manager". After external audio/subs works with muxing, I might release Preview 3.

[Sirber]

Got a new version of the ActiveX SDK

Here's a shot:

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/Log_1.PNG

[luoming0439]

o,looks great.It might be the best RV10 GUI.I can not wait.:)

[Big_Berny]

Is it possible or will it be possible to add a (he-)aac which is already encoded by another program without reencoding? Because I'd like to use Nero to encode the audio to he-aac-files!

Greets
Big_Berny

[Sirber]

dunno. maybe later.

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by Big_Berny
Is it possible or will it be possible to add a (he-)aac which is already encoded by another program without reencoding? Because I'd like to use Nero to encode the audio to he-aac-files!

Please keep in mind that Coding Technologies, who we license our HE-AAC and AAC encoder from, invented HE-AAC (aacPlus), and even though I have no doubt Nero's HE-AAC implementation is very high quality, so should the one from Coding Technologies be.

[Big_Berny]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Please keep in mind that Coding Technologies, who we license our HE-AAC and AAC encoder from, invented HE-AAC (aacPlus), and even though I have no doubt Nero's HE-AAC implementation is very high quality, so should the one from Coding Technologies be.

But isn't it only CBR? I think for movies VBR would be much better, because there are a lot of silent scenes. And over at hydrogenaudio the real encoder wasn't that great in the listeningtest altough I know that it was only a aac and not aacplus(he-aac) test.

Big_Berny

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by Big_Berny
But isn't it only CBR? I think for movies VBR would be much better, because there are a lot of silent scenes. And over at hydrogenaudio the real encoder wasn't that great in the listeningtest altough I know that it was only a aac and not aacplus(he-aac) test.

Yes, it is only CBR, and currently only available as 64, 96, and 128 kbps (HE-AAC). I may be wrong, but the VBR-ness of an audio codec is not so large that it really makes much of difference during the silent scenes. It is not like it will only use 12 kbps when it is quiet, and let video use the rest.

The AAC listening test showed only small differences. I would recommend your own listening to determine your preferences. Personally, I could not hear many differences from the original for most clips, except the "Waiting" clip, where it turned out I had selected iTunes first at 4.2, the CT encoder 2nd and 4.0, and Nero 3rd at 3.0. Besides, an AAC test at 128 kbps, is not much of a measure of HE-AAC at for instance 64 kbps, where the codec operates very differently.

So use whichever encoder gives you the best results, the Nero encoder has its advantages. I just wanted to mention the fact that Coding Technologies did invent HE-AAC.

[Sirber]

HE-AAC @ 32kbps would be cool also. At 128 it doesn't make sence...

==> All this IMHO :D

[karl_lillevold]

Sirber: I keep asking for more flavors, still no news. You are right, at 128 kbps, HE-AAC does not make that much sense.

[Big_Berny]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
[BIt is not like it will only use 12 kbps when it is quiet, and let video use the rest.[/B]
Are you sure, that it won't use only i.e. 12kbps in very silent scenes? I normally did it that way: First I encoded the audio with nero vbr and then I looked how much space is left for the video. So it uses the bitrate which isn't used by the audio!

Big_Berny

[karl_lillevold]

you are quite right in that if you first encode the audio, you can use what is left for video. It is just that the variability of a VBR audio codec is not as large as for instance for video. Even during "silence" there will be background noise and sounds that the codec will faithfully try to reproduce with a much higher bitrate than you might think.

[Big_Berny]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
you are quite right in that if you first encode the audio, you can use what is left for audio. It is just that the variability of a VBR audio codec is not as large as for instance for video. Even during "silence" there will be background noise and sounds that the codec will faithfully try to reproduce with a much higher bitrate than you might think.

I just asked the nero-aac-developers at hydrogenaudio. I'm curous wht they mean about the idea... I'll post it here when I get an answer...

Big_Berny

[Sirber]

Alright guys, we are moving on Helix Community.

@damrod, shinobu

I need your username for HC to add you to the CVS/etc. Could you message me or mail me? Thanks.

[karl_lillevold]

great news. Even though the helix community web site may be a little hard to navigate, it's good to have everything Helix related in one place. (and it is being cleaned up, project owners need to manage their projects to remove tools they do not need, like mailing lists if they prefer forum etc). anyway, everyone who has developed, know that CVS is useful to keep track of changes and backups, and that's part of what Helix provides. See you there.

[wiflye81]

Hi all,
I've just dl YS RealAnime Preview 2 and when I start encoding I have an DOS Window witch says Error XML Parsing in job file ... line #1, error : unclosed token.
Anybody with an idea ?

[Sirber]

how many times will I have to say it... USE EXPERT MODE :devil: :devil: :devil: :o please :D

[wiflye81]

Gomen nasai :o Sirber-sensei ( or sama as you wish )

[Sirber]

:)

no problem. Preview 3 will be a little more user friendly :D

[Sirber]

Hi

I'm still writting YS, don't worry! I'm also fighting against producer SDK. YS currently crash in "encsession.dll" while encoding matroska files.

[DarkNite]

I also hope it doesn't get too rough on you. I've seen a few others get beat down viciously while working with Producer SDK already.

Remember: Stick and move! Duck and weave! Ingest massive quantities of caffienated beverages before, during, and after all coding related activities! :D

Looking forward to seeing Preview 3.

[Sirber]

I drink enough coffee already at work. I'm trying to relax the weekend. About YS, it's still on it's way, slower than expected. I'm currently bugged on a bitrate calculator. I just don't seems to get how to do it proprely :(

[Sirber]

Hi there!

I corrected a bug in the "remove job" thing. I also made a DFD (Diagramme de Flux D'informations) about how YS works (or will work). I'm trying to finish the bitrate calculator. We will also move shortly on Helix Community and open sources.

Stay Tuned!

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/DFD.jpg

[Stux]

I also made a DFD (Diagramme de Flux D'informations)

You mean a Data Flow Diagram ;)

[Marcel]

Originally posted by Stux
You mean a Data Flow Diagram ;)
Datenflussdiagramm!!! :sly:

;)


However, it's a great idea, there's no faster way to give an overview on how the programm works (assumed you can read these diagrams, but that's not too hard, even if you never ever have seen them). I just wonder why noone else had this idea.

[Sirber]

Maybe coz no other GUI is opensource :D, or no other GUI are dev by an anoying guy like me :D

[Sirber]

Our new development home is ready on Helix Community. I'm currently moving sources into HC's CVS. My CVS will shutdown today, like now :D About licences, I still don't know.

[edit]

About Preview 3, I have no release date yet. Dev is slower than expected. :( While waiting, here's the lastest CVS build:

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/YS_CVS.7z (6.8MB)
http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/YS_CVS.7z.sig

WARNING: USE EXPERT MODE :devil: :devil: :devil:

also, you need 7-ZIP :D
also also, start regme.reg :D :D

[damrod]

regme.reg....hum what's that...is there something to do with the activx dll to work.... ;-)

[Sirber]

you guess well :p

[damrod]

how do i find that i wonder ;-)

[Sirber]

I added some code to disable Overlay Mixer on XviD decoder and on FFDSHOW. They are re-enabled after encoding/abording.

[starwarsandrisk]

is the server down?... where else can i try out the the preview 2?.... and does it use that "eslyan" thing?... lol.... sorry i'm a bit of a noob and i'm still using realanime 1.9... so i'm not quite sure where to go from there.... i love rv10 and what its done for my anime so far

[Sirber]

Hi

Yes, server is down due to DNS problems :(. I'm gonna update to lastest CVS build on my own server.

[edit]

Here's the lastest. Same rules as preview 2.

http://sirber.no-ip.com/~sirber/ys/YSRealAnime_CVS.7z

note: run regme.cmd

[starwarsandrisk]

okay... coming from realanime 1.91..... how am i supposed to know how far along i am?..... like i used to be able to look at the lil command line prompt and see a percent done... are we not using the command line anymore?.... or are we hiding it?.... do we jsut wait to see if it comes out?

[Sirber]

no commandline anymore, we are using the producer SDK now. When you encode, check the task list, you will see that it's "YS RealAnime.exe" that use the CPU :)

Don't forget to use expert mode. :)

[kilg0r3]

Is there a way to adjust max stratup latency?

[Sirber]

Nope, this setting was removed and hardset. It's set to 60. Most people (100% of them) don't need that setting. :)

[Sirber]

I'm back from vacations :D

Updates:
* Moved default EHQ to 100 for second pass
* Added Ref Quand tweaks

To Do Next:
* AVISynth filtering
* Error detection and recovery

Buggy:
* Simple mode

If you are interrested to join our dev team, mail me at sirb3r@yahoo.ca. The project is hosted on helix Community and is currently open only for devs.

[hellfred]

Welcome back
Nice to see you working on my favourite helix producer GUI again.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

Doing my best to add midi support in about frame :D

[achtungfeuer]

I want to test it but windows XP didn't want to launch it :'(

"YSRealAnime.exe a rencontré un problème et doit fermer. Nous vous prions de nous excuser pour le désagrément encouru."

What can I do ?????

[Sirber]

I don't remember writing that polite popup :confused:. Can you tell me step by step what you did?

[DarkNite]

I apologize if someone else has touched on this subject already (I only skimmed through the thread for references), but has anyone done any testing in Service Pack 2?

Just a thought, since SP2 will probably go final before YSRealAnime, and I've heard of/seen several other applications running into trouble.

*looks at sentence again*

I meant that in the most respectful way. :)

[achtungfeuer]

I only want to run it and :

http://membres.lycos.fr/deuxtho/temporaire/erreur.JPG

[Sirber]

did you run "regme.cmd" ?

[billou2k]

Quick question (I've asked it on another thread but it might be too old to have an answer)
Can we encode interlaced stuff in RV10? I mean interlaced content encoded as interlaced not deinterlaced. At the moment I just saw the deinterlace / IVTC option in the encoders I ve tried.
Thanks

[Sirber]

If you don't filter, it will be encoded interlaced (kinda) in a progressive way (only full frames). Better ask Karl :)

[achtungfeuer]

I run run "regme.cmd" and it work !!!!!!! :D

no pb with it :)

but why don t you purpose the choice between smoothest , normal and sharpest in the codec option :confused: