RV10 GUI: YS RealAnime

[Sirber]

Name: YS RealAnime
Version: CVS (April 26, 2004)
Purpose: Batch Anime Archiving
License: waiting final release before opening sources
Programmed in: Delphi 7 VCL
Languages: English

Project down. Will or already been replaced with RealAnime

Files:
* 07/15/2004: http://www.detritus.qc.ca/old/ysrealanime/07152004.exe
* 07/15/2004: http://www.detritus.qc.ca/old/ysrealanime/sources.7z

CVS Server:
* CVSROOT: cvs.helixcommunity.org:/cvsroot/producerapp
* Module: ysrealanime
* Authentification: ext (SSH2 w/ public key)
* Status: accessible to helix community users

[Lagoon]

Looks awesome :D

[hoola]

WOW! I can't wait to try it out. I think it's tools like these that will bring new blood to RVX.

[Sirber]

I was supposed to release the new features in RealAnime 2.00, but I lost the core last weekend. :( And since I had to restart it, I moved over Delphi which is way better than VB for my needs. Also, the inslatter might be like 1.5MB smaller since I won't need extra DLLs/OCXs :D

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by hoola
WOW! I can't wait to try it out. I think it's tools like these that will bring new blood to RVX.
Yes, this UI looks very promising. Hopefully the new rate control and inloop options (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71022) that everyone has been asking for will also help (bring new users to RV 10) :rolleyes:

[h9903209]

wow, very clear and beautiful interface! ^O^
clever combination of all-in-one and tabbed interface!! great job!^O^

[Sirber]

Thanks for all the great comments :D Doing our best to deliver the soft next weekend.

[damrod]

great job :-))

so you add elysee version??

is this a stable release? i wonder because of the readme.txt...

[Latexxx]

Why isn't this open source? Are you afraid that somebody will make a mod like happened with RealAnime?

[damrod]

sirber is afraid of me ;-)
mdr

i think sirber can release it in gpl... but when he achieve a stable version (like v2.00)
or they can start it as a projetc on sourceforge : in this case people can help via cvs...

[kilg0r3]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Hopefully the new rate control and inloop options[/url] that everyone has been asking for will also help (bring new users to RV 10) :rolleyes: Hardware support (stand alones) could do even more in that department, I think. To me, it seems strange that a company like real, which has been on the market for more than twice as long as divx.com, wasn't able to position itself in that segment.

[Sirber]

Originally posted by damrod
sirber is afraid of me ;-)
mdr

i think sirber can release it in gpl... but when he achieve a stable version (like v2.00)
or they can start it as a projetc on sourceforge : in this case people can help via cvs... I could, but we agreed Shinobu and I to keep the sources closed. The reason? Dunno. :o

[damrod]

it's up to you...it's yours code :-)

[Sirber]

yep. my code :devil: ;)

[damrod]

lol ;-))




2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0....ok it's only soccer but 2-0 !!! :-))

[damrod]

just a question : do you plan to add vfw codec support (ie xvid, vp6 or divx) to your new soft -- like in surreal ui :-)

[Sirber]

dunno yet. If I add a codec it will surely be VP6. But, I really don't know yet.

[datascab]

Sirber......

Will you be including the option to have the temp file location a user setting?

Same as source would be ideal.

I would like it if its not too much trouble :)

Thanks

Data

[Sirber]

By default, temp files will be stored where destination is. I finished job manager (save / load settings). I'm attacking now the jobfile creator. I think having an alpha release this weekend is not just wind :D

Same as source would be ideal.What if the source is a DVDR or a CDR? :p

[damrod]

beurk... encoding directly from dvdr or cdr?? pfff people like to do damage to their drive...

you can add a checkbox to choose "windows tmp directory" or "same as file to encode"... that's what i do for realbatch :-)

[damrod]

btw the problem to encode audio track in realbatch/realanime commes from the tag presentation always set to audio-video but in case of audio track...it's audio-only; if not it crash...
for just video there is the tag video-only :-)

[Toll]

Hi,

Can I ask some questions?

What are " max avg SSD", "max area SSD", "max avg chro SSD", and "max area chro SSD"?

[RadicalEd]

Average and area-specific sum of squared differences for the luma and chroma, respectively. DupeDrop params that adjust the threshold for what should be dropped and what is considered motion.

[Sirber]

You can get more info in the RealVideo 9 sticky thread, under DropDupe.

[damrod]

i see you can specify AR in your gui? why? is this a parameter of encoding?

[Sirber]

Yes, see screenshots. It's only 4:3 or 16:9. Crop is auto and resize semi-auto.

[damrod]

mumm but 4/3 is ok but 16/9... and 2.35?1.89? two formats of 16/9 in dvd ... ;-)

[Sirber]

With autocroping it's ok.

[Sirber]

I'm trying to get a basic working version this afternoon (GTM-5). As soon as jobfile creator is completed, I just need to implement APi manager and I will be able to encode :D.

[edit]

Preview version will have the fellowing features:
* AVI encoding only
* RealVideo 8/9/10 with the new RC
* Expert mode only

Preview version will be missing the fellowing features:
* General UI management: make a wrong setting and expect crash :)
* AC3 support
* AVISynth filtering
* All the other stuff :D

This will be a preview, not an alpha version. Expect bugs, fat bugs and juicy bugs. No settings validation is done actually.

[DarkNite]

Expect bugs, fat bugs and juicy bugs.

Mmm... I needed a little more protein in my encoding diet.

Looking forward to seeing what you've done so far, and definitely looking forward to playing with the new rate control.

[Marcel]

The GUI looks great.

As it is closed source, may I ask (intending to potentially use the answer for my own project :cool: ) how you did the auto-cropping? Actually, I plan to open the clip via any directshow media player component and look for black borders, ignoring TV station logos.

[Sirber]

autocrop is an avisynth filter :)

[Marcel]

Warum denn in die Ferne schweifen, wenn die Ute liegt so nah...

(Sometimes the best things lie in front of your feet, and you don't see them!)

[Sirber]

What things? :confused:

[Marcel]

AviSynth filters for example...

[Sirber]

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/Error1.PNG

Does someone knows about that king of error? :confused:

[edit]

Got it.

TPersistant:jobfile := TString.Create;
TStrings:jobfile := TStringList.Create;This is stupid...

[Sirber]

Jobfile creator is working. With some tweaking I might be able to encode 1 file. Then, I will just need to add batch management and YS RealAnime will be "workable" :D

[edit]

Here's a preview:

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/YSRealAnime_Preview.exe (2.75MB)

Archive is protected against non-doom9 members:
Pass: yatoshisirber

What works:
* Job management (settings edit / save)
* Expert mode only
* RealVideo 9/10 only
* Encode file first file from first job

Expected errors:
* Crash at every error

What does not work:
* Remove files
* Everything else :D

This is a preview, so don't complain :devil:

[Latexxx]

Does it support the new Parisian features of Real Video 10?

Edit: The server just went ofline while I was downloading the file and the server can't be reached anymore.
Edit2: It works now.

[Sirber]

yeah we were moving it on the UPS :)

YS RealAnime supports all new features, except new RC tweaks.

[Latexxx]

Some thoughts:

The icon sucks
Why does this thing has 3 different settings for audio? Merge everything into one (and add some handling code if needed).

[Sirber]

About audio, In the Files source, it might have 5.1 and 2.0 (AC3) and 5.1 and 2.0 (AVI). That's why I need 3 settings, or else I will have to guess what codec to use...

[Latexxx]

You could have only one option set for audio and add some check boxes to select channel number.

Ps. Adding Vorbis audio encoding would be interesting.

[Sirber]

won't work.

If I want HE-AAC for 2.0 and cook for 5.1?

[achtungfeuer]

Pb with xvid RC2:
Can't open this file.
But it can open xvid-RC1-movies.
Pb witn my computer?

[Sirber]

might be related with XviD + DirectShow. Nothing I can do :(

[DarkNite]

XviD RC2 can be decoded by DivX's Support Generic MPEG4 decoding, which is selectable in the DivX Decoder Configuration Utility.

You could also try changing the fourcc code to DX50 if it's current fourcc is XVID.

[Sirber]

but as far as I remember, this thread is not related to XviD problems.

[achtungfeuer]

an other software (I don't remenber its name) say that it could be related to B-frame.
I don't understand. snif snif...

[Sirber]

Hum... don't use the preview. Seems it uses 100% of the CPU to do insane "waiting" :confused:

[edit]

Good, in normal uses YS RealAnime uses onlu 0-2% CPU. The 100% thing was related to this bug. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=451653#post451653)

[achtungfeuer]

I'm waiting for the next RealAnime!
Coming soon???

[Sirber]

I would have finished if I restarted it in vb6, but this is Delphi men! Encoding currently works but still need tweaking and validation. I'm working right now on batching, audio encoding and muxing. Sylvain will work on simple mode soon. Simple mode might be the first thing to work ok, since expert is kinda big.

[notags]

Just out of curiousity, is YS i.e. Shinobu, currently involve in this new GUI?

[Sirber]

yep, read first post.

[achtungfeuer]

sorry for the pb I had with Xvid RC2: it's only a pb with ffdshow

[Sirber]

I'm getting bored of my RealAnime 2.00 dev-test build with "lost core source". I will release tomorrow Preview 2 with working batch.

[Sirber]

Hi mates!

I spoke with Shinobu some days ago and we got a nice idea: LAN encoding. Since YS RealAnime first goal is batching, why not sending files to encoders on a private LAN?

All comments are welcome :D

[h9903209]

do you mean e.g. install YS realanime in computer A, and use it to directly encode files in computer B and directly save the resulting rmvb in computer B?

if yes that's awesome! I love this feature, I can use a faster pentium computer to encodes file downloaded in another slower athlon computer! ^^

[Sirber]

Exemple:

Computer A: YS RealAnime
Computer B: YS RealAnime Encoding Slave

A has 3 jobs with 30 files each. A start Job1/File1 and send Job1/File2 to B. A and B start encoding. B finish Job1/File2 and send the resulted file back to A. A send Job1/File3 to B while finishing encoding Job1/File1.

If B get some errors, the error is sent back to A for analisis.
If B loose connection with A, A resend the file to another slave or encode it itself.

All jobs are controled by A. B only recieve files, settings and return the encoded file.

Imagine if you have... 10 2GHz computer in LAN? :D

[Sirber]

*** Preview 2 released ***

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/YSRealAnime_001.exe (7MB)
http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/YSRealAnime_001.exe.sig

Note:
* Only Expert mode works, so please be sure to choose it :)
* Only input supported is AVI.
* You have to add at least one job to be able to encode.
* There is almost no validation in settings.

Comments are as usual welcome :D

[achtungfeuer]

the next realanim will accept .MKV, .OGM and .MP4?

[Sirber]

More something like AVS/D2V.

OGM/MKV ae quite a pain in the ass to recompress. Never tryed MP4 yet.

Maybe 20% of the planned work has been done yet, and maybe the hardest part also.

[Sirber]

damrod is joining our happy dev group. Long live to YS Dev Team!! :D

[Latexxx]

You should mark in the first post which features have been implemented.

[achtungfeuer]

what the next step in the dvp?

[Sirber]

We will move on Helix Community March 31 :D

Next step is detection of other input and muxing.

[achtungfeuer]

why don't you use mkvextract for mkv input and mkvmerge for mkv output? It's really easy with command line...

[Sirber]

for output, I will use mkvmerge. I'm focusing now on handeling AVI + AC3 + SRT: )

[damrod]

you can check source file and then demux using mkvextract... to separate for exemple avi+ac3+srt in mkv file then encode only video to rmeux again after...

[Sirber]

YS RealAnime has the same spirit as old' RealAnime: Batch encoding. If it can be done automaticly for more than 1 file, I will implement it (or you will, damrod :p :D)

[achtungfeuer]

Do you will propose the choice between new and old RV10?

[Sirber]

...

Did you even checked the first post? Did you checked the preview 1 or 2? Sorry but I don't have time to answer things that are already public.

Read first post :devil:

[note]

There is NO old or new RV10.

[achtungfeuer]

sorry for the last reply...
I found info on an other forum about the codec.
Nevertheless I have pb with your version. I use basic mode, I follow instruction and.... nothing....
i have all the software needed (in the first post) and I tried encode a .avi.
:(

[karl_lillevold]

achtungfeuer: perhaps you meant if YS RealAnime has an option for the new vs the old rate control. And yes, it does, looking at the screen shots in the first tab, the expert tab has a drop-down for choice of rate control, as well as the advanced options for the new rate control, and every possible option you can imagine. It is very nice. I just tried it out.

I had a similar little problem though: I had another encoding task running on my computer, and it appeared like YS RealAnime did nothing... then finally, it started producer, but running so very slowly. After I set my other encoding task to "Low", it sped up YS encoding, but it still looked like YS's producer.exe received much less CPU time than my other running encoding job. Strange. In any case, check if you have something running in the background on your computer, for instance SETI or folding@home, that would take up all your CPU preventing YS producer from running. This because YS sets producer to run at the lowest priority.

[Sirber]

Originally posted by achtungfeuer
sorry for the last reply...
I found info on an other forum about the codec.
Nevertheless I have pb with your version. I use basic mode, I follow instruction and.... nothing....
i have all the software needed (in the first post) and I tried encode a .avi.
:( As I said lots of times, simple mode do NOT work. Use Expert in the menu.

*** Preview 2 released ***

Note:
* Only Expert mode works, so please be sure to choose it
* Only input supported is AVI.
* You have to add at least one job to be able to encode.
* There is almost no validation in settings.

Comments are as usual welcome Reading by yourself don't hurt :p

[Sirber]

I'm thinking about removing the bitrate setting. FileSize is the only really needed since we can calculate filesize manually for the old Rate Control. What do you think?

[damrod]

bof bof... it depends what you want... same size or same bitrate for a list of files...

[Sirber]

I thought it would be simplier to code, but it's the same as filesize. :)

[Marcel]

There are some cases where the bitrate settings are needed.
OK, atm I have only one case in mind: Devices with limited hardware.
Some of them, Nokia Series 60 mobiles, are covered by RealHandy (new version with cool AVS creator and cropping preview will be out next days, I hope). But there are also other devices like PocketPCs which need limited bitrates. For their owners, YS RealAnime will be worthless.
Or did I completely misunderstand you?

BTW, as you code in Delphi - if anyone is interested in it, I've made a small unit which fills

TVideoInfo = Record
Width, Height, FPS1000, MPEGversion: Integer;
FPS: Single;
end;

for .AVI, .MPEG (1/2), .VOB and .D2V (just tracking down to the source) files.
Dirty code, but works; when I'm less busy, I might clean it up and I'll post it to the Development forum. But for those who don't want to wait - get it here (7k) (http://www.turbogenial.de/data/VidInfo.pas).

[Sirber]

Hi

Thanks for the reply. I will keep bitrate. Laziness took control over me for a moment :). Your code is interresting, but I have some questions:

1) What are the licensing terms?
2) Does it require aditionnal DLLs?
3) Could you add Frame count?

Thanks :D

[About YS]

I just got how to use Drag&Drop. Preview 3 will be powered by DragDrop :D

[Marcel]

Drag'n'drop can be soooo easy if you use FileDrop (http://delphi.icm.edu.pl/ftp/d20free/filedrop.zip). According to Delphi Super Page search engine (US) (http://dsp.href.com/), it is for D2/D3 only. But worth a try, because it's free...
Just add it to your form, tell it which component should receive filenames via D'n'D and create FileDrops OnDrop event handler.

Free like my little lib.
Doesn't need any .DLLs, just links to the units SysUtils and Classes. If you'd like to use it, use it. And if you'd like to use it and give me the credits in a little dark corner, do that.
I'm adding aspect ratio now (for MPEG1/2 files), but atm I don't have a clue where I can find the count of frames.

And I sure should get to bed now (2am)...

[Sirber]

Nice

I currently use vidframe (DLL) to get various infos about AVI/AVS, like audio sample / second (to know if source has built-in audio). Your "lib" sounds cool.

What I really need is to detect audio (AVI/AVS) and Aspect Ratio (D2V). If you can do that you're my king :D. About writing your name somewhere, I have a magnificent About box where you would be welcome :D Side not: just some hours ago, the about box was producing AccessViolation if used twice :confused: :)

[Marcel]

AR is now read correct (I hope) for MPEG1/2, VOB and D2V.
The number of streams in an AVI file can be found easy: Open an AVI in VDubMods Hex-Editor and click on the second line under the "avih8" header sign. And two DWords before, you'll find the number of frames in the clip. But for AVS... uh, don't know.

edit: the lib can still be found here (8k now) (http://www.turbogenial.de/data/VidInfo.pas).

edit2: "Mist", Delphi is rounding in a curious way. I will change TVideoInfo.AspectRatio from Single to Integer with consts...
edit3: done.

[Sirber]

Can you distinguish 4:3 from 16:9 for D2V?

[Marcel]

I hope so, as I read it from the MPG/VOB file the D2V points to. But now, I only have an 4:3 VOB on my HDD. Will test further tomorrow.

[Sirber]

nice nice

if you add those features (AR + Sound detection), I definitly add it to YS RealAnime :D

[Sirber]

I'm planning later to add plugin interface, for video codec mainly. The goal of that is to add video codec whitout breaking my core nor the stability of YS RealAnime.

This will be done (if possible) after LAN manager.

[notags]

From what I can see in the new screenshots, there's a status bar!:sly: Will we stll be seeing the command line dialogue in the upcoming version?

[Marcel]

Originally posted by Sirber
nice nice

if you add those features (AR + Sound detection), I definitly add it to YS RealAnime :D

AR is included, but I found that I'm not through with it yet.
Do you want the sound detection to be done for AVI only?

Till now, the tested MPEG/VOB files had those AR values:

AR_SQUARE_PIXEL = 1;
AR_4to3 = 2;
AR_16to9 = 8;


Now I tested a 16:9 PAL VOB, and it had a 3 as AR value, while a 4:3 PAL VOB reported 2, as it was supposed to.
Maybe someone with NTSC stuff could tell me which values are used there? You could do so by using my VidInfo.pas testing Application, FPSreader (http://www.turbogenial.de/data/FPSreader.zip) (110k, full source and FileDrop component included). Just start it and Drag'n'Drop the vob on it's window.

[achtungfeuer]

sorry Sirber, but both simple and expert mode don't work.:(

[Sirber]

you have to choose Expert mode in the menubar, not just changing tabs.

if your jobfile is 0KB, it means you're still in simple mode. Next release, if you don't change for expert mode (as I always say), it will burn your hard disk :p

@ Marcel

Yes, audio for AVI only, since you can't get that infor for AVS unless you use DShow :)

[Marcel]

I updated again (6k) (http://www.turbogenial.de/data/VidInfo.pas). :)
I finally added a frame counter for AVI files, threw some old, unused, comment-tagged code away and added comments for the data structure TVideoInfo.
Number of frames is not implemented for MPEG files, as I haven't found yet any hint where I can find it. But I'll continue searching, as DVD2AVI must read it anywhere, too.

FPSreader (http://www.turbogenial.de/data/FPSreader.zip) (110k; executable, full source and FileDrop component included) is also updated.
I'd really appreciate it if someone who has some NTSC 16:9 VOB files could use FPSReader on them and tell me which value is reported for the AR.

[Sirber]

no need of filedrop, I already have something that works #1 :)

[Marcel]

But you'll need FileDrop if you want to compile FPSreader. That's why I included it.

[Sirber]

Why would I need FPSreader?

[Marcel]

It's just a little demonstration of how to use VidInfo.pas. And maybe you've got your hands on some 16:9 NTSC VOB files ...

[Sirber]

Does VidInfo.pas works alone?

[Marcel]

yes, it could be used stand-alone.
Now it even reads the number of streams in an AVI file.

[Sirber]

nice :)

but...

AVI audio = 1 stream
AVI video = 1 stream

so it cannot detect audio track :(

[Marcel]

hum, I made some test files with VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1:
b0.avi:
Video only, no Audio stream - FPSreader said: "Streams: 1"
b1.avi:
Video + 1 Audio stream - FPSreader said: "Streams: 2"
b2.avi:
Video + 2 Audio stream - FPSreader said: "Streams: 3"
b3.avi:
Video + 3 Audio stream - FPSreader said: "Streams: 4"
b4.avi:
Video + 4 Audio stream - FPSreader said: "Streams: 5"

- so for me, it works fine.

My source has been a bilingual AVI, I took the first minute (direct stream processing) => b2.avi.
Demuxed the second stream (MP3 VBR) and added it to the stream list => b3.avi, b4.avi.
Removed / disabled audio streams in stream list => b1.avi, b0.avi.

A "dir" on that folder says:

16.03.2004 22:22 725.328 b.mp3
16.03.2004 22:23 5.345.280 b0.avi
16.03.2004 22:23 6.150.144 b1.avi
16.03.2004 22:21 6.934.528 b2.avi
16.03.2004 22:22 7.718.912 b3.avi
16.03.2004 22:22 8.501.248 b4.avi

[Sirber]

what about AVI with no video track and 1 audio?

[Marcel]

Well, the header field just names the number of streams, regardless if they are video or audio.
But is there a non-violent way to create a non-video AVI?

[Sirber]

dunno :confused: :)

[Slave01]

Hi guys. I have downloaded YS RealAnime but in the expert tab, source fps, i cannot find 25 fps (PAL). Is it an error?





Thanks in advance
Slave01

[Sirber]

It's not an error and it's not used :)

YS is fixed (IIRC) to 23.976FPS. Next release the FPS will be auto. AR has no use also and will be removed since we now have a workaround. Don't forget that YS is not even in alpha stage. Have fun testing :D

[damrod]

i have near finished my migration in delphi and soon i will work on ys realanime (good luck : i work...in delphi7 at work ;-))

[Sirber]

@Marcel

I'm adding your code (Vidinfo.pas) to YS RealAnime. If you want to join us you're welcome :).

[Marcel]

Hi Sirber,

to be true, as I don't have enough time (end-of-study oral exams are getting closer), I already steal more time for RealHandy as I should. Further, I don't own any other Delphi as Delphi 3, so I coulnd't compile unmodified source or modifiy it without erasing some properties of the components (you know, Delphi 3 came to market in a millenium that's long gone... ;) )
But if there are some code fragments or tricks or hints that could be shared, well, let's do it!

btw, I updated vidinfo.pas some minutes ago. As I found an MPEG1 file with "12" as aspect ratio, I had to add a line that makes a 2 of a 12, as this clip has been 4:3 (NTSC).

[hellfred]

Hi Sirber
I have a hard time encoding avs scripts with YS Realanime.
In the moment i am processing some clips that i captured. It is PAL material so it has 25 frames per second.
When i load the avis that i have recorded with VirtualVCR and switch to expert mode, i can encode the files.
But when i try to load the avis via some AVS script (featuring opening the avis, cropping, resizing, deinterlacing and a little bit of filtering), I can add a job, but it will not start encoding. The job just dissappears from the job list.
What am i doing wrong?

Another question, but offtopic:
What filters to use with very noisy captures of an anime?
Up to now i did not see any improvement in the encoded file when filtereing the source ahead of compression.
I have tryed undot, Convolution3d(anime LQ/HQ) Limiter temporal smoother and some more. What can you suggest?

Hellfred

[Sirber]

Originally posted by hellfred
Hi Sirber
I have a hard time encoding avs scripts with YS Realanime.
In the moment i am processing some clips that i captured. It is PAL material so it has 25 frames per second.
When i load the avis that i have recorded with VirtualVCR and switch to expert mode, i can encode the files.
But when i try to load the avis via some AVS script (featuring opening the avis, cropping, resizing, deinterlacing and a little bit of filtering), I can add a job, but it will not start encoding. The job just dissappears from the job list.
What am i doing worong?hum... is your avs ".avs" or ".AVS"? YS check only lowercase :(

Originally posted by hellfred
Another question, but offtopic:
What filters to use with very noisy captures of an anime?
Up to now i did not see any improvement in the encoded file when filtereing the source ahead of compression.
I have tryed undot, Convolution3d(anime LQ/HQ) Limiter temporal smoother and some more. What can you suggest?

Hellfred heu... I will ask Shinobu, he's better than me with filtering :)

[Shinobu]

can you post a png or HQ jpeg shot of your capture ?
there's a lot of noise type, so without any shot a can't help you

to reduice the VHQ noise (blue or red dots) a good tips is to reduise the saturation of the capture card before record.


i'll wait your shot

++

[luoming0439]

Hi Sirber,
I hope u can add 'force directshow' feature in YS RealAnime.Then,i can load VOBSUB when i compress a avi file + a subtitle file(srt/ssa).

Also ,if YS RealAnime can load .MKV(XVID+AC3+srt) directly, it will be perfect.You know some DVD-Backup file is packaged with MKV.


another question about YS RealAnime,
I set the output Bitrate to 450kbps ,max 2250kbps(codec is real10 'elysian'+ HE-AAC),But the output file was 5xx kbps.I think i can not control the bitrate accurately.Also,I used dropdupe filter(Default setting).Is it the reason?


sorry,my english is weak,hope u can understand.

[Sirber]

* Currently YS don't use AVIsynth at all. Next releases will be with AVISynth only.

* YS will demux MKV/OGM prior encoding.

* Can you post producer.log and your settings?

[damrod]

@sirber

i don't remember : ys use producer cmdline no? so it launch a dos window?

i have some code for you to redirect output in realtime to a memobox... or another component :-)

[Sirber]

YS uses producer commandline, and currently show a DOS box. In next release, producer will be hidden and managed by YS for error checking.

Hum... can you send it (the code) on my mail? thanks.

[damrod]

euh i don't remember it... did you give me it in pm?

[Kaleus]

Originally posted by Marcel
Hi Sirber,

to be true, as I don't have enough time (end-of-study oral exams are getting closer), I already steal more time for RealHandy as I should. Further, I don't own any other Delphi as Delphi 3, so I coulnd't compile unmodified source or modifiy it without erasing some properties of the components (you know, Delphi 3 came to market in a millenium that's long gone... ;) )
But if there are some code fragments or tricks or hints that could be shared, well, let's do it!

btw, I updated vidinfo.pas some minutes ago. As I found an MPEG1 file with "12" as aspect ratio, I had to add a line that makes a 2 of a 12, as this clip has been 4:3 (NTSC).

Delphi 6 Personnal is freely available.

[hellfred]

Originally posted by Sirber
hum... is your avs ".avs" or ".AVS"? YS check only lowercase :(

It is a file with an "avs" extension, not an "AVS". The script plays fine with VDub, MPC etc.
D:\Filme\Arjuna4\Arjuna4.avs
# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\AutoRV10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\CONVOLUTION3D.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\AutoRV10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\UNDOT.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\AutoRV10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\CNR2.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\RealAnimev2.0.0\avs\Decomb.dll")
#
# Film öffnen und zurechtschneiden
t1 = AviSource("D:\Filme\Arjuna4\Arjuna4a.avi").ConvertToYV12()
#t1 = Trim (t1, 166, 32217)
t1 = Trim (t1, 0, 25833)
t2 = AviSource("D:\Filme\Arjuna4\Arjuna4b.avi").ConvertToYV12()
t2 = Trim (t2, 9, 15523)
#anime = t1
anime = t1 + t2
#
# Deinterladen
anime = FieldDeinterlace (anime,false,15,9,true,true)
#
# Dimensionen zum zurechtschneiden finden und Bild zurechtschneiden
anime = BilinearResize(anime,640,384,6,78,708,425)


# CNR2 FILTER
#anime=TemporalSoften(anime,1,5,0)
#anime=Cnr2(anime)
#
# UNDOT FILTER
#anime=UnDot(anime)
#
# CONVOLUTION3D - DENOISE (Medium)
#anime=Convolution3D(anime,0,3,4,3,4,2.8,0)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
anime=Limiter(anime)
#
anime=Trim(anime,3805,-3000)
return anime

About the pictures: I have made them and am now looking for a webspace to park them.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

if the filename is correct, YS Preview 2 should encode it properly like an AVI. :confused:

[hellfred]

Originally posted by Sirber
if the filename is correct, YS Preview 2 should encode it properly like an AVI. :confused:
You can try the script and tell me, if it worked for you or not.
Just replace the two files in AVISource with valid ones on your HD and try to encode the resulting avs. If it workes for you, i will have to reinstall AviSynth.

The pictures are now available at:
picture one (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/one.png)
picture two (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/two.png)
picture three (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/three.png)
picture four (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/four.png)
picture five (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/five.png)
picture six (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/six.png)
picture seven (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/seven.png)

I capture in YUY2 colourspace and compress using PicVideo MJPEG Codec.
My capture card uses a Philips SAA7108/7113 chip.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

ish.

The pictures are very noisy. What is the expected bitrate?

[hellfred]

Originally posted by Sirber
ish.

The pictures are very noisy. What is the expected bitrate?
What do you mean by expected bitrate?
The bitrate i am willing to give to the video? What ever it takes for good quality. But up to now not even Bitrates over 1000kbps helped me to get rid of all artefacts :-(

[Sirber]

hum...

What if you reduce EHQ? Might help bluring everything ;)

[Shinobu]

i think this noise is due to mjpeg trie to capture a sample of the same source avggain but in pure avi, and if you alway have those artefact repost

i had the same type of artefact with bad mjepg setting


++

[Sirber]

Soon we will have AVISynth script generator ready as well as subs and external audio encoding / muxing. Preview 3 will be released with the last features, those new and those I talked before.

@damrod

I think I will just hide producer. I don't really need it's output. I also suspect that it also screw my API calls that manage producer.

[edit]

I recently added a nice log engine, since producer will be hidden.

Exemple:20:26:05 Starting encoding.
20:26:05 Loading job One Piece.
20:26:05 Trying E:\Animes\One Piece\E087.avi
20:26:05 Processed all external files.
20:26:05 Encoding internal audio...
20:26:05 Starting producer.

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
* Currently YS don't use AVIsynth at all. Next releases will be with AVISynth only.

* YS will demux MKV/OGM prior encoding.

* Can you post producer.log and your settings?

the producer.log
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:27,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8051,Input Filename: E:\media\comic\GD\40.avi
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8052,File Size: 323.00MB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8053,Total Duration: 23:52.072
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8081, Dimensions: 640 x 480
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8082, Frame Rate: 29.000 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8083, Format: XVID
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8084, Duration: 23:52.072
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8060,Audio Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8061, Channels: Stereo
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8062, Bit Depth: 16
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8063, SampleRate: 48000 Hz
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8065, Duration: 23:52.072
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper EarlyExit Enabled
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper DetailedLogInfo Disabled
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper Enabled
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAreaChromaSSD 1500
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAreaSSD 6000
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAvgChromaSSD 200
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAvgSSD 700
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxDroppedFrames 1
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,Using YS RealAnime Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,Using video codec: rv10 (446000 bps)
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,Using audio codec: racp (64000 bps)
,Informational,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,15005,Starting encoding pass
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/03/23 22:06:30,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/23 23:46:14,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/23 23:46:14,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:17,19000, Total | Audio | Video | Avg | Min | Avg | Min | Pre- |Audience Name
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:18,19001, kbps | kbps | kbps | FPS | FPS | QI | QI | roll |
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:18,19003, ad: 572 | 63.7 | 508 | 27.9 | 13.5@00:12:15 | 69 | 69@00:00:00 | 1 |YS RealAnime
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:18,19002,Total Bitrate = 572 kbps
,Informational,Command Line,2004/03/23 23:46:18,10535,Encoding successful!

do u think it is all right?the output file's bitrate is 572kbps.

the settings:
;output bitrate 510kbps max 2250kbps
;dropdupe
;others are default

[hellfred]

Capturing in YV12 colourspace and compressing to ffvfw HuffYUV gives only little improvement. (Coliourspace YV12, Prediction plane)
Usually I am running PicVideo MJPEG Codec on levle 19 and i have whichted all other settings to the suggestions porvided by the analog TV capture guid form doom9:
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/capture/capturing_vdub.html
Pic Video MJPEG
set the quality to 18 or 19 and in advanced Luminance Quality to 2 and Chrominance Quality to 3.

I will be off from the computer till sunday, so i just wish you a good time till then.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

@luoming0439

hum...

I'm still using Preview 2 for encoding and I haven't got any problems. As I can see you're using the lastest producer which have an FPS problem. Also, your source is 29FPS and YS has been set to 23.976. I guess you're using the curve compression.

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
@luoming0439

hum...

I'm still using Preview 2 for encoding and I haven't got any problems. As I can see you're using the lastest producer which have an FPS problem. Also, your source is 29FPS and YS has been set to 23.976. I guess you're using the curve compression.

Yes,i used curve compression.I like it and inloop filter.That's why i use YS realanime(preview2),not realanime.Do u mean that the producer has an FPS problem?Do u have some suggestions that could resolve this problem.

because, before encoding, i do not know the FPS, i just use YS'S default setting.It seems Source(FPS 23.976)/General (MFPS: 30FPS)

[Sirber]

YS is hardcoded to set 23.976FPS to the new curve. Also, using DropDupe with the curve might confuse it and reduce quality. About producer problem, you can't fix it :) I'm waiting for the next release before releasing any new build.

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
YS is hardcoded to set 23.976FPS to the new curve. Also, using DropDupe with the curve might confuse it and reduce quality. About producer problem, you can't fix it :) I'm waiting for the next release before releasing any new build.

u mean that i shouldn't use dropdupe with the curve?I believe that dropdupe speed up the encoding obviously.Since u said it might reduce quality, i won't use it.

Hope producer's next release could fix it.I think the release of realplayer_v10_gold is a good news today.i won't need the patch for AAC.:)

[Sirber]

I only use DropDupe on certain anime with the old RC. I never use DropDupe with the new RC since it's not needed.

My conclusions so far:

New RC works well with:
- Naruto

Old RC + DD works better on:
- One Piece

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
I only use DropDupe on certain anime with the old RC. I never use DropDupe with the new RC since it's not needed.

My conclusions so far:

New RC works well with:
- Naruto

Old RC + DD works better on:
- One Piece

Thanks for your advice.

P.S:I like "Naruto" ,and i will encode it with new RC.Also,I think new rc works well with Gundam_seed.

[Sirber]

Originally posted by luoming0439
Thanks for your advice.

P.S:I like "Naruto" ,and i will encode it with new RC.My settings:

ANBU-One release
450kbps w/ 64kbps HE-AAC
New RC
5% low boost

The result is better than OldRC + DD.

[Sirber]

I'm adding the ActiveX producer to YS. I might keep both and let the user choose.

[damrod]

if you make it work...;-))


btw my doscommand work good...except i can't find how to send control+c command to the dos exe...

i will check that in the future...i prefer finish other things

[Marcel]

~damrod:
Whaddabaut Sendkeys?

(No, I'm not kidding (http://www.google.com/search?q=sendkeys+for+delphi), I think it's worth a try!)

~Sirber:
ActiveX?
You're talking 'bout a producer.exe command line call replacement?

[Sirber]

@Marcel

Nope, I'm talking about producer SDK, not commandline.
// Configure DLL
producer_sdk.JobFilename := jobfilename;
producer_sdk.TempDirectory := tempdir;

// Start job
producer_sdk.StartJob;
while producer_sdk.IsRunning do
Application.ProcessMessages;What I can't find is to see if I got error while encoding.

[edit]

Hum... seems to crash more than to encode. It has been created more for VB than for Delphi. Sucks :( I'm gonna keep the code in case someone find how to use it. Currently YS is 30MB.

[luoming0439]

@sirber
It's my producer.log today.I think it's terrible.I used new rc without dropdupe.the bitrate is up to 610kbps.:(
Do u think i have to use old rc+DD to avoid this problem?

,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:12,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8051,Input Filename: E:\media\comic\GD\[POPGO][Mobile_Suit_Gundam_SEED][GB]48.avi
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8052,File Size: 269.81MB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8053,Total Duration: 23:36.649
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8081, Dimensions: 640 x 480
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8082, Frame Rate: 29.000 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8083, Format: XVID
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8084, Duration: 23:36.649
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8060,Audio Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8061, Channels: Stereo
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8062, Bit Depth: 16
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8063, SampleRate: 48000 Hz
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8065, Duration: 23:36.649
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,0,Using YS RealAnime Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,0,Using video codec: rv10 (446000 bps)
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,0,Using audio codec: racp (64000 bps)
,Informational,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,15005,Starting encoding pass
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/03/25 12:09:14,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/25 13:38:24,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/25 13:38:24,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19000, Total | Audio | Video | Avg | Min | Avg | Min | Pre- |Audience Name
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19001, kbps | kbps | kbps | FPS | FPS | QI | QI | roll |
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19003, ad: 610 | 63.7 | 546 | 30.0 | 27.0@00:01:47 | 69 | 69@00:00:00 | 3 |YS RealAnime
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19002,Total Bitrate = 610 kbps
,Informational,Command Line,2004/03/25 13:38:25,10535,Encoding successful!

[Sirber]

Preview 2 don't detect FPS and set 23.976 by default. Please test with a 23.976FPS clip.

[Marcel]

~Sirber:
For AVI and MPEG1/2 (.mpg, .vob, .d2v) you can use TVideoInfo.FPS; it worked correctly for every file of that kind I had tested.

[Sirber]

Yes, I know :) That was my plan when I got your code :D

I removed vidframe.dll since it's not usefull anymore. I'm still trying to use the activex thing, but it's not very easy to add with Delphi.

[Sirber]

jeez

ActiveX is suck a pain when you want to use it as plain code, not in GUI mode. I got the ActiveX working ok. I'm removing producer commandline.

[edit]

I got it working in 5 minutes in GUI mode. I hate this VB style. I updated the screenshots. The DLL seems to handle each pass indenpendently (a word like that :D).

soHelixProducer.StartJob;
while (HelixProducer.IsRunning) do
Application.ProcessMessages;fails to wait if more than 1 pass (so at the second pass).

[Kaiousama]

Why did you switch into closed source developement?

[Gannjunior]

Uhh!!!Hi Kai!!!:D how r u?? it's " one life" i don't see you more on Quellicheilpc...come back again!!!:cool:

@Sirber
I've just seen your YS gui for anime and I like it very much.but i can open only avi file.I need to use avs file,or directly mpeg...but when i go to 'start' it doesn't happen anything...
i think the problem is your encoder is still in beta phase...
however thanks 4 you work!:)

ciaooo

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Gannjunior
I've just seen your YS gui for anime and I like it very much.but i can open only avi file.I need to use avs file,or directly mpeg...but when i go to 'start' it doesn't happen anything...
i think the problem is your encoder is still in beta phase...
however thanks 4 you work!:)

ciaooo This has been said earlier, only expert mode works. Also, you need to add at least 1 job.

Originally posted by Kaiousama
Why did you switch into closed source developement? YS is currently closed source and might open once finished. I just don't want someone to steal my source and finish it before me.

[damrod]

i'm innocent !!! :-p

pfff too tired to finih my migration...

[Sirber]

huh? Can you explain a bit more? I'm sure you will just wait YS is opensource and steal it like you did for RealBatch :p

[Kaiousama]

ahhh, it's Damrod you feared..... LOL!!! :p :p

[Gannjunior]

@Sirbert
Yes,i've read i need to use it in expert mode.and i've done it.the problem is when i load my avs file,after i've setted the codec option,i 'add' the job....i 'start', but... what happen is: the job i've added disappear and doesn't happen anything...
another problem: you've put all kind of framerate,but not PAL 25 fps...:p
could you add it in your next final version plz?
ciao!

[damrod]

@sirber : not this time

i finish my migration then start working with you and yatoshi on ys realanime

i want to finish my migration this week..it can be done :-)

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Gannjunior
@Sirbert
Yes,i've read i need to use it in expert mode.and i've done it.the problem is when i load my avs file,after i've setted the codec option,i 'add' the job....i 'start', but... what happen is: the job i've added disappear and doesn't happen anything...
another problem: you've put all kind of framerate,but not PAL 25 fps...:p
could you add it in your next final version plz?
ciao! Preview 2 is hardcoded to 23.976FPS to workaround a bug of producer. In Preview 3, the source FPS will be detected automaticly. I will also remove AVS support (for input) since I can't use Morice's VidTool on them.

Also, Sirber has no "T" :p

[Gannjunior]

ops...sorry Sirber!;)

[Sirber]

Some news:

Moving from the cmdline version to the SDK is almost finished. The encoding works, 2-pass management also, what need to be done is error chekcing. Then, I have to create a bitrate calculator for the "external audio manager". After external audio/subs works with muxing, I might release Preview 3.

[Sirber]

Got a new version of the ActiveX SDK

Here's a shot:

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/Log_1.PNG

[luoming0439]

o,looks great.It might be the best RV10 GUI.I can not wait.:)

[Big_Berny]

Is it possible or will it be possible to add a (he-)aac which is already encoded by another program without reencoding? Because I'd like to use Nero to encode the audio to he-aac-files!

Greets
Big_Berny

[Sirber]

dunno. maybe later.

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by Big_Berny
Is it possible or will it be possible to add a (he-)aac which is already encoded by another program without reencoding? Because I'd like to use Nero to encode the audio to he-aac-files!

Please keep in mind that Coding Technologies, who we license our HE-AAC and AAC encoder from, invented HE-AAC (aacPlus), and even though I have no doubt Nero's HE-AAC implementation is very high quality, so should the one from Coding Technologies be.

[Big_Berny]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Please keep in mind that Coding Technologies, who we license our HE-AAC and AAC encoder from, invented HE-AAC (aacPlus), and even though I have no doubt Nero's HE-AAC implementation is very high quality, so should the one from Coding Technologies be.

But isn't it only CBR? I think for movies VBR would be much better, because there are a lot of silent scenes. And over at hydrogenaudio the real encoder wasn't that great in the listeningtest altough I know that it was only a aac and not aacplus(he-aac) test.

Big_Berny

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by Big_Berny
But isn't it only CBR? I think for movies VBR would be much better, because there are a lot of silent scenes. And over at hydrogenaudio the real encoder wasn't that great in the listeningtest altough I know that it was only a aac and not aacplus(he-aac) test.

Yes, it is only CBR, and currently only available as 64, 96, and 128 kbps (HE-AAC). I may be wrong, but the VBR-ness of an audio codec is not so large that it really makes much of difference during the silent scenes. It is not like it will only use 12 kbps when it is quiet, and let video use the rest.

The AAC listening test showed only small differences. I would recommend your own listening to determine your preferences. Personally, I could not hear many differences from the original for most clips, except the "Waiting" clip, where it turned out I had selected iTunes first at 4.2, the CT encoder 2nd and 4.0, and Nero 3rd at 3.0. Besides, an AAC test at 128 kbps, is not much of a measure of HE-AAC at for instance 64 kbps, where the codec operates very differently.

So use whichever encoder gives you the best results, the Nero encoder has its advantages. I just wanted to mention the fact that Coding Technologies did invent HE-AAC.

[Sirber]

HE-AAC @ 32kbps would be cool also. At 128 it doesn't make sence...

==> All this IMHO :D

[karl_lillevold]

Sirber: I keep asking for more flavors, still no news. You are right, at 128 kbps, HE-AAC does not make that much sense.

[Big_Berny]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
[BIt is not like it will only use 12 kbps when it is quiet, and let video use the rest.[/B]
Are you sure, that it won't use only i.e. 12kbps in very silent scenes? I normally did it that way: First I encoded the audio with nero vbr and then I looked how much space is left for the video. So it uses the bitrate which isn't used by the audio!

Big_Berny

[karl_lillevold]

you are quite right in that if you first encode the audio, you can use what is left for video. It is just that the variability of a VBR audio codec is not as large as for instance for video. Even during "silence" there will be background noise and sounds that the codec will faithfully try to reproduce with a much higher bitrate than you might think.

[Big_Berny]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
you are quite right in that if you first encode the audio, you can use what is left for audio. It is just that the variability of a VBR audio codec is not as large as for instance for video. Even during "silence" there will be background noise and sounds that the codec will faithfully try to reproduce with a much higher bitrate than you might think.

I just asked the nero-aac-developers at hydrogenaudio. I'm curous wht they mean about the idea... I'll post it here when I get an answer...

Big_Berny

[Sirber]

Alright guys, we are moving on Helix Community.

@damrod, shinobu

I need your username for HC to add you to the CVS/etc. Could you message me or mail me? Thanks.

[karl_lillevold]

great news. Even though the helix community web site may be a little hard to navigate, it's good to have everything Helix related in one place. (and it is being cleaned up, project owners need to manage their projects to remove tools they do not need, like mailing lists if they prefer forum etc). anyway, everyone who has developed, know that CVS is useful to keep track of changes and backups, and that's part of what Helix provides. See you there.

[wiflye81]

Hi all,
I've just dl YS RealAnime Preview 2 and when I start encoding I have an DOS Window witch says Error XML Parsing in job file ... line #1, error : unclosed token.
Anybody with an idea ?

[Sirber]

how many times will I have to say it... USE EXPERT MODE :devil: :devil: :devil: :o please :D

[wiflye81]

Gomen nasai :o Sirber-sensei ( or sama as you wish )

[Sirber]

:)

no problem. Preview 3 will be a little more user friendly :D

[Sirber]

Hi

I'm still writting YS, don't worry! I'm also fighting against producer SDK. YS currently crash in "encsession.dll" while encoding matroska files.

[DarkNite]

I also hope it doesn't get too rough on you. I've seen a few others get beat down viciously while working with Producer SDK already.

Remember: Stick and move! Duck and weave! Ingest massive quantities of caffienated beverages before, during, and after all coding related activities! :D

Looking forward to seeing Preview 3.

[Sirber]

I drink enough coffee already at work. I'm trying to relax the weekend. About YS, it's still on it's way, slower than expected. I'm currently bugged on a bitrate calculator. I just don't seems to get how to do it proprely :(

[Sirber]

Hi there!

I corrected a bug in the "remove job" thing. I also made a DFD (Diagramme de Flux D'informations) about how YS works (or will work). I'm trying to finish the bitrate calculator. We will also move shortly on Helix Community and open sources.

Stay Tuned!

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/DFD.jpg

[Stux]

I also made a DFD (Diagramme de Flux D'informations)

You mean a Data Flow Diagram ;)

[Marcel]

Originally posted by Stux
You mean a Data Flow Diagram ;)
Datenflussdiagramm!!! :sly:

;)


However, it's a great idea, there's no faster way to give an overview on how the programm works (assumed you can read these diagrams, but that's not too hard, even if you never ever have seen them). I just wonder why noone else had this idea.

[Sirber]

Maybe coz no other GUI is opensource :D, or no other GUI are dev by an anoying guy like me :D

[Sirber]

Our new development home is ready on Helix Community. I'm currently moving sources into HC's CVS. My CVS will shutdown today, like now :D About licences, I still don't know.

[edit]

About Preview 3, I have no release date yet. Dev is slower than expected. :( While waiting, here's the lastest CVS build:

http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/YS_CVS.7z (6.8MB)
http://www.webernic.com/sites/sirber/YS/YS_CVS.7z.sig

WARNING: USE EXPERT MODE :devil: :devil: :devil:

also, you need 7-ZIP :D
also also, start regme.reg :D :D

[damrod]

regme.reg....hum what's that...is there something to do with the activx dll to work.... ;-)

[Sirber]

you guess well :p

[damrod]

how do i find that i wonder ;-)

[Sirber]

I added some code to disable Overlay Mixer on XviD decoder and on FFDSHOW. They are re-enabled after encoding/abording.

[starwarsandrisk]

is the server down?... where else can i try out the the preview 2?.... and does it use that "eslyan" thing?... lol.... sorry i'm a bit of a noob and i'm still using realanime 1.9... so i'm not quite sure where to go from there.... i love rv10 and what its done for my anime so far

[Sirber]

Hi

Yes, server is down due to DNS problems :(. I'm gonna update to lastest CVS build on my own server.

[edit]

Here's the lastest. Same rules as preview 2.

http://sirber.no-ip.com/~sirber/ys/YSRealAnime_CVS.7z

note: run regme.cmd

[starwarsandrisk]

okay... coming from realanime 1.91..... how am i supposed to know how far along i am?..... like i used to be able to look at the lil command line prompt and see a percent done... are we not using the command line anymore?.... or are we hiding it?.... do we jsut wait to see if it comes out?

[Sirber]

no commandline anymore, we are using the producer SDK now. When you encode, check the task list, you will see that it's "YS RealAnime.exe" that use the CPU :)

Don't forget to use expert mode. :)

[kilg0r3]

Is there a way to adjust max stratup latency?

[Sirber]

Nope, this setting was removed and hardset. It's set to 60. Most people (100% of them) don't need that setting. :)

[Sirber]

I'm back from vacations :D

Updates:
* Moved default EHQ to 100 for second pass
* Added Ref Quand tweaks

To Do Next:
* AVISynth filtering
* Error detection and recovery

Buggy:
* Simple mode

If you are interrested to join our dev team, mail me at sirb3r@yahoo.ca. The project is hosted on helix Community and is currently open only for devs.

[hellfred]

Welcome back
Nice to see you working on my favourite helix producer GUI again.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

Doing my best to add midi support in about frame :D

[achtungfeuer]

I want to test it but windows XP didn't want to launch it :'(

"YSRealAnime.exe a rencontré un problème et doit fermer. Nous vous prions de nous excuser pour le désagrément encouru."

What can I do ?????

[Sirber]

I don't remember writing that polite popup :confused:. Can you tell me step by step what you did?

[DarkNite]

I apologize if someone else has touched on this subject already (I only skimmed through the thread for references), but has anyone done any testing in Service Pack 2?

Just a thought, since SP2 will probably go final before YSRealAnime, and I've heard of/seen several other applications running into trouble.

*looks at sentence again*

I meant that in the most respectful way. :)

[achtungfeuer]

I only want to run it and :

http://membres.lycos.fr/deuxtho/temporaire/erreur.JPG

[Sirber]

did you run "regme.cmd" ?

[billou2k]

Quick question (I've asked it on another thread but it might be too old to have an answer)
Can we encode interlaced stuff in RV10? I mean interlaced content encoded as interlaced not deinterlaced. At the moment I just saw the deinterlace / IVTC option in the encoders I ve tried.
Thanks

[Sirber]

If you don't filter, it will be encoded interlaced (kinda) in a progressive way (only full frames). Better ask Karl :)

[achtungfeuer]

I run run "regme.cmd" and it work !!!!!!! :D

no pb with it :)

but why don t you purpose the choice between smoothest , normal and sharpest in the codec option :confused:

[Sirber]

Coz it only decrease quality. It's hardcoded to sharp. If you don't like it, join the dev team and change it :p :D

[Sirber]

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@damrod, shinobu

Could you please contact me by email? We need to talk about the future of YS RealAnime.
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[lunaticmoon]

Hail, Sirber, damrod, shinobu. :)

I am sorry when this is the question of existing appearance.

Can YS RealAnime be disable Elysian ?

As a matter of fact, I do not like RV10E.
Although I want to use by RV10Normal ...

However, is it ending, if my use RV9? :D

[Sirber]

Elysian = new curve. Just choose "Streaming" as rate control.

[lunaticmoon]

thanks :)

[Sirber]

Updated to lastest milestone. It's saying I need .NET framework to use it. It's a bad upgrade... I'm still also working on avisynth implementation.

[Sirber]

Sad news. Lastest producer SDK require M$ .NET Framework. Feel free to post your anger :angry:

[lunaticmoon]

So sad ?

btw, Is .NET used in order to really carry out what?

[Sirber]

I don't know. The build before didn't required .NET, nor the special build with preview. This build seems to be the merge of both. I'm thinking about removing the SDK and return to good old commandline, or close this GUI.

[DarkNite]

Have we just been assimilated? :D

[lunaticmoon]

If it thinks well, in putting (it is based also on a use), and Linux (UNIX) culture into a view, I think that Helix team should use J2EE rather than .NET.

Or M$ transplants .NET Framework to a Linux (UNIX) platform ? :confused:

[Sirber]

I asked on the mailing list. We only need the two VC7 DLL.

[lunaticmoon]

I am interested in RV10 frontend as an automatic VFR animation creation tool.
Does YS RealAnime have the schedule which makes the structure of plug-in (for example, like AVIUTL output plug-in) and is crowded?

If there is structure of plug-in, I will want to challenge the transplant of VFROUT plug-in of AVIUTL.

[lunaticmoon]

orz (<- drop on to my knees)

If there is no plug-in function in Producer when it thinks very, I will have felt that it is meaningless...:scared:

[Sirber]

I have no clue on what you're talking about. YS has no plugin structure, it's just a GUI for producer.

[Sirber]

*** New CVS preview ***

https://sirber.no-ip.com/~sirber/ys/YSRealAnime_07152004.exe

New:
- Lastest SDK (preview enabled)

Bugfix:
- Some :D

Known bug:
- DIVX3 source has no preview
- Simple mode don't work
- No SDK error recovery

[damrod]

latest sdk use .net???

pfff ok so we will use delphi8 for the gui ?? ;-))

[Sirber]

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Yo

On est maintenant face a une impasse. Je suis le seul à travailler
sur la GUI et je manque atrocément de temps et de ressources. Voici
les solutions envisageables:

1) On travaille dessus en team
2) Je takeover le projet personnel et j'enleve des parties pour
alléger la tâche.

Parties qui serait enlevé: mode simple, network, support DVD.

Le choix t'appartient.

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Dunno, depends on you guys.

[Rumbah]

Hi!

I just tried the latest YS RealAnime CVS build, and I set everything up properly, and a few seconds after pressing the start button, I get the following error message:

Violation d'accès à l'adresse 60406076 dans le module helixprodctrl.dll. Ecriture de l'adresse 00000050

Rumbah

[damrod]

bad luck the sdk works with .net

with a delphi7-clx app wa can make a kylix version for unix users ;-)

[hellfred]

@Rumbah:
There is a batch file (regme.bat) that needs to be run to register the helix producer dll, if i remember right. Run the batch file and try again.

Hellfred

[Rumbah]

Well, I got it working. When I simply made the job file and encoded, everything worked, but I made a job file and then I changed the displayed settings that I get when clicking the job file (you see the standard settings). Then I started the encode and got this error message (I know it is stupid to change the settings afterwards, because they do not influence anything).
I found another bug. When I select filesize in the output field, and select a filesize, a far too small file is the result. I chose 600 MB and the resulting video was only 80MB and very ugly (80MB for a 100 min 720x576 movie :)). I think it is because in the job file, there is this line:

<rcTargetVideoSize type="uint">600</rcTargetVideoSize>

Am I wrong, or do you have to insert the size in KB, not in MB so that producer targeted 600 KB?

Rumbah

[Sirber]

Originally posted by damrod
bad luck the sdk works with .netNope, only VC7 DLLs (included)
with a delphi7-clx app wa can make a kylix version for unix users ;-) Already started. But I want to finish YS before. What's sad is that project has 3 dev and none except the creator has done a single line of code...

[Sirber]

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This project has become too big for only me to maintain it. No one
seems interrested in it. The main goal of this project was to merge
Satsuki Yatoshi GUi and RealAnime into one project. This might not
appen if it continu like it is right now. I will close this "too big
for one man" project and restart old good RealAnime, in Delphi CLX
this time.

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This project is closed.

[Latexxx]

Could you post your latest sources for public under an BSD style license ( http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php )? It wouldn't do any harm but would allow other people to take a closer look. :)

[Sirber]

The sources are already avalible for Helix Community members. I will release them with GNU GPL soon, when I get my new ISP.

[Sirber]

Source Code:

https://helixcommunity.org/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/producerapps/ysrealanime/

or search "sirber" on google :D

[damrod]

in delphi clx?? do you plan to make a linux version??

if yes you must use the cmdline producer no?

[Razorblade2000]

The linux commandline producer doesn't support any input besides uncompressed avis afaik :(

And as piping isn't possible atm, it is only good for capturing (imho)

[Sirber]

YS is dead. I don't plan anything with it :)