RV10 GUI: YS RealAnime

[Marcel]

Well, the header field just names the number of streams, regardless if they are video or audio.
But is there a non-violent way to create a non-video AVI?

[Sirber]

dunno :confused: :)

[Slave01]

Hi guys. I have downloaded YS RealAnime but in the expert tab, source fps, i cannot find 25 fps (PAL). Is it an error?





Thanks in advance
Slave01

[Sirber]

It's not an error and it's not used :)

YS is fixed (IIRC) to 23.976FPS. Next release the FPS will be auto. AR has no use also and will be removed since we now have a workaround. Don't forget that YS is not even in alpha stage. Have fun testing :D

[damrod]

i have near finished my migration in delphi and soon i will work on ys realanime (good luck : i work...in delphi7 at work ;-))

[Sirber]

@Marcel

I'm adding your code (Vidinfo.pas) to YS RealAnime. If you want to join us you're welcome :).

[Marcel]

Hi Sirber,

to be true, as I don't have enough time (end-of-study oral exams are getting closer), I already steal more time for RealHandy as I should. Further, I don't own any other Delphi as Delphi 3, so I coulnd't compile unmodified source or modifiy it without erasing some properties of the components (you know, Delphi 3 came to market in a millenium that's long gone... ;) )
But if there are some code fragments or tricks or hints that could be shared, well, let's do it!

btw, I updated vidinfo.pas some minutes ago. As I found an MPEG1 file with "12" as aspect ratio, I had to add a line that makes a 2 of a 12, as this clip has been 4:3 (NTSC).

[hellfred]

Hi Sirber
I have a hard time encoding avs scripts with YS Realanime.
In the moment i am processing some clips that i captured. It is PAL material so it has 25 frames per second.
When i load the avis that i have recorded with VirtualVCR and switch to expert mode, i can encode the files.
But when i try to load the avis via some AVS script (featuring opening the avis, cropping, resizing, deinterlacing and a little bit of filtering), I can add a job, but it will not start encoding. The job just dissappears from the job list.
What am i doing wrong?

Another question, but offtopic:
What filters to use with very noisy captures of an anime?
Up to now i did not see any improvement in the encoded file when filtereing the source ahead of compression.
I have tryed undot, Convolution3d(anime LQ/HQ) Limiter temporal smoother and some more. What can you suggest?

Hellfred

[Sirber]

Originally posted by hellfred
Hi Sirber
I have a hard time encoding avs scripts with YS Realanime.
In the moment i am processing some clips that i captured. It is PAL material so it has 25 frames per second.
When i load the avis that i have recorded with VirtualVCR and switch to expert mode, i can encode the files.
But when i try to load the avis via some AVS script (featuring opening the avis, cropping, resizing, deinterlacing and a little bit of filtering), I can add a job, but it will not start encoding. The job just dissappears from the job list.
What am i doing worong?hum... is your avs ".avs" or ".AVS"? YS check only lowercase :(

Originally posted by hellfred
Another question, but offtopic:
What filters to use with very noisy captures of an anime?
Up to now i did not see any improvement in the encoded file when filtereing the source ahead of compression.
I have tryed undot, Convolution3d(anime LQ/HQ) Limiter temporal smoother and some more. What can you suggest?

Hellfred heu... I will ask Shinobu, he's better than me with filtering :)

[Shinobu]

can you post a png or HQ jpeg shot of your capture ?
there's a lot of noise type, so without any shot a can't help you

to reduice the VHQ noise (blue or red dots) a good tips is to reduise the saturation of the capture card before record.


i'll wait your shot

++

[luoming0439]

Hi Sirber,
I hope u can add 'force directshow' feature in YS RealAnime.Then,i can load VOBSUB when i compress a avi file + a subtitle file(srt/ssa).

Also ,if YS RealAnime can load .MKV(XVID+AC3+srt) directly, it will be perfect.You know some DVD-Backup file is packaged with MKV.


another question about YS RealAnime,
I set the output Bitrate to 450kbps ,max 2250kbps(codec is real10 'elysian'+ HE-AAC),But the output file was 5xx kbps.I think i can not control the bitrate accurately.Also,I used dropdupe filter(Default setting).Is it the reason?


sorry,my english is weak,hope u can understand.

[Sirber]

* Currently YS don't use AVIsynth at all. Next releases will be with AVISynth only.

* YS will demux MKV/OGM prior encoding.

* Can you post producer.log and your settings?

[damrod]

@sirber

i don't remember : ys use producer cmdline no? so it launch a dos window?

i have some code for you to redirect output in realtime to a memobox... or another component :-)

[Sirber]

YS uses producer commandline, and currently show a DOS box. In next release, producer will be hidden and managed by YS for error checking.

Hum... can you send it (the code) on my mail? thanks.

[damrod]

euh i don't remember it... did you give me it in pm?

[Kaleus]

Originally posted by Marcel
Hi Sirber,

to be true, as I don't have enough time (end-of-study oral exams are getting closer), I already steal more time for RealHandy as I should. Further, I don't own any other Delphi as Delphi 3, so I coulnd't compile unmodified source or modifiy it without erasing some properties of the components (you know, Delphi 3 came to market in a millenium that's long gone... ;) )
But if there are some code fragments or tricks or hints that could be shared, well, let's do it!

btw, I updated vidinfo.pas some minutes ago. As I found an MPEG1 file with "12" as aspect ratio, I had to add a line that makes a 2 of a 12, as this clip has been 4:3 (NTSC).

Delphi 6 Personnal is freely available.

[hellfred]

Originally posted by Sirber
hum... is your avs ".avs" or ".AVS"? YS check only lowercase :(

It is a file with an "avs" extension, not an "AVS". The script plays fine with VDub, MPC etc.
D:\Filme\Arjuna4\Arjuna4.avs
# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\AutoRV10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\CONVOLUTION3D.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\AutoRV10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\UNDOT.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\AutoRV10\SOFTS\AVSFILE\CNR2.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\Stefan\RealAnimev2.0.0\avs\Decomb.dll")
#
# Film öffnen und zurechtschneiden
t1 = AviSource("D:\Filme\Arjuna4\Arjuna4a.avi").ConvertToYV12()
#t1 = Trim (t1, 166, 32217)
t1 = Trim (t1, 0, 25833)
t2 = AviSource("D:\Filme\Arjuna4\Arjuna4b.avi").ConvertToYV12()
t2 = Trim (t2, 9, 15523)
#anime = t1
anime = t1 + t2
#
# Deinterladen
anime = FieldDeinterlace (anime,false,15,9,true,true)
#
# Dimensionen zum zurechtschneiden finden und Bild zurechtschneiden
anime = BilinearResize(anime,640,384,6,78,708,425)


# CNR2 FILTER
#anime=TemporalSoften(anime,1,5,0)
#anime=Cnr2(anime)
#
# UNDOT FILTER
#anime=UnDot(anime)
#
# CONVOLUTION3D - DENOISE (Medium)
#anime=Convolution3D(anime,0,3,4,3,4,2.8,0)
#
# LIMIT Chroma & Luma Value
anime=Limiter(anime)
#
anime=Trim(anime,3805,-3000)
return anime

About the pictures: I have made them and am now looking for a webspace to park them.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

if the filename is correct, YS Preview 2 should encode it properly like an AVI. :confused:

[hellfred]

Originally posted by Sirber
if the filename is correct, YS Preview 2 should encode it properly like an AVI. :confused:
You can try the script and tell me, if it worked for you or not.
Just replace the two files in AVISource with valid ones on your HD and try to encode the resulting avs. If it workes for you, i will have to reinstall AviSynth.

The pictures are now available at:
picture one (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/one.png)
picture two (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/two.png)
picture three (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/three.png)
picture four (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/four.png)
picture five (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/five.png)
picture six (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/six.png)
picture seven (http://www.stud.tu-muenchen.de/~stefan.guertler/seven.png)

I capture in YUY2 colourspace and compress using PicVideo MJPEG Codec.
My capture card uses a Philips SAA7108/7113 chip.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

ish.

The pictures are very noisy. What is the expected bitrate?

[hellfred]

Originally posted by Sirber
ish.

The pictures are very noisy. What is the expected bitrate?
What do you mean by expected bitrate?
The bitrate i am willing to give to the video? What ever it takes for good quality. But up to now not even Bitrates over 1000kbps helped me to get rid of all artefacts :-(

[Sirber]

hum...

What if you reduce EHQ? Might help bluring everything ;)

[Shinobu]

i think this noise is due to mjpeg trie to capture a sample of the same source avggain but in pure avi, and if you alway have those artefact repost

i had the same type of artefact with bad mjepg setting


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[Sirber]

Soon we will have AVISynth script generator ready as well as subs and external audio encoding / muxing. Preview 3 will be released with the last features, those new and those I talked before.

@damrod

I think I will just hide producer. I don't really need it's output. I also suspect that it also screw my API calls that manage producer.

[edit]

I recently added a nice log engine, since producer will be hidden.

Exemple:20:26:05 Starting encoding.
20:26:05 Loading job One Piece.
20:26:05 Trying E:\Animes\One Piece\E087.avi
20:26:05 Processed all external files.
20:26:05 Encoding internal audio...
20:26:05 Starting producer.

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
* Currently YS don't use AVIsynth at all. Next releases will be with AVISynth only.

* YS will demux MKV/OGM prior encoding.

* Can you post producer.log and your settings?

the producer.log
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:27,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8051,Input Filename: E:\media\comic\GD\40.avi
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8052,File Size: 323.00MB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8053,Total Duration: 23:52.072
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8081, Dimensions: 640 x 480
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8082, Frame Rate: 29.000 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8083, Format: XVID
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8084, Duration: 23:52.072
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8060,Audio Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8061, Channels: Stereo
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8062, Bit Depth: 16
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8063, SampleRate: 48000 Hz
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8065, Duration: 23:52.072
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/23 22:06:29,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper EarlyExit Enabled
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper DetailedLogInfo Disabled
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper Enabled
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAreaChromaSSD 1500
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAreaSSD 6000
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAvgChromaSSD 200
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxAvgSSD 700
,Diagnostic,Video Pre-filters,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,VideoDupFrameDropper maxDroppedFrames 1
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,Using YS RealAnime Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,Using video codec: rv10 (446000 bps)
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,0,Using audio codec: racp (64000 bps)
,Informational,SDK Encoding,2004/03/23 22:06:29,15005,Starting encoding pass
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/03/23 22:06:30,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/23 23:46:14,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/23 23:46:14,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:17,19000, Total | Audio | Video | Avg | Min | Avg | Min | Pre- |Audience Name
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:18,19001, kbps | kbps | kbps | FPS | FPS | QI | QI | roll |
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:18,19003, ad: 572 | 63.7 | 508 | 27.9 | 13.5@00:12:15 | 69 | 69@00:00:00 | 1 |YS RealAnime
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/23 23:46:18,19002,Total Bitrate = 572 kbps
,Informational,Command Line,2004/03/23 23:46:18,10535,Encoding successful!

do u think it is all right?the output file's bitrate is 572kbps.

the settings:
;output bitrate 510kbps max 2250kbps
;dropdupe
;others are default

[hellfred]

Capturing in YV12 colourspace and compressing to ffvfw HuffYUV gives only little improvement. (Coliourspace YV12, Prediction plane)
Usually I am running PicVideo MJPEG Codec on levle 19 and i have whichted all other settings to the suggestions porvided by the analog TV capture guid form doom9:
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/capture/capturing_vdub.html
Pic Video MJPEG
set the quality to 18 or 19 and in advanced Luminance Quality to 2 and Chrominance Quality to 3.

I will be off from the computer till sunday, so i just wish you a good time till then.

Hellfred

[Sirber]

@luoming0439

hum...

I'm still using Preview 2 for encoding and I haven't got any problems. As I can see you're using the lastest producer which have an FPS problem. Also, your source is 29FPS and YS has been set to 23.976. I guess you're using the curve compression.

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
@luoming0439

hum...

I'm still using Preview 2 for encoding and I haven't got any problems. As I can see you're using the lastest producer which have an FPS problem. Also, your source is 29FPS and YS has been set to 23.976. I guess you're using the curve compression.

Yes,i used curve compression.I like it and inloop filter.That's why i use YS realanime(preview2),not realanime.Do u mean that the producer has an FPS problem?Do u have some suggestions that could resolve this problem.

because, before encoding, i do not know the FPS, i just use YS'S default setting.It seems Source(FPS 23.976)/General (MFPS: 30FPS)

[Sirber]

YS is hardcoded to set 23.976FPS to the new curve. Also, using DropDupe with the curve might confuse it and reduce quality. About producer problem, you can't fix it :) I'm waiting for the next release before releasing any new build.

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
YS is hardcoded to set 23.976FPS to the new curve. Also, using DropDupe with the curve might confuse it and reduce quality. About producer problem, you can't fix it :) I'm waiting for the next release before releasing any new build.

u mean that i shouldn't use dropdupe with the curve?I believe that dropdupe speed up the encoding obviously.Since u said it might reduce quality, i won't use it.

Hope producer's next release could fix it.I think the release of realplayer_v10_gold is a good news today.i won't need the patch for AAC.:)

[Sirber]

I only use DropDupe on certain anime with the old RC. I never use DropDupe with the new RC since it's not needed.

My conclusions so far:

New RC works well with:
- Naruto

Old RC + DD works better on:
- One Piece

[luoming0439]

Originally posted by Sirber
I only use DropDupe on certain anime with the old RC. I never use DropDupe with the new RC since it's not needed.

My conclusions so far:

New RC works well with:
- Naruto

Old RC + DD works better on:
- One Piece

Thanks for your advice.

P.S:I like "Naruto" ,and i will encode it with new RC.Also,I think new rc works well with Gundam_seed.

[Sirber]

Originally posted by luoming0439
Thanks for your advice.

P.S:I like "Naruto" ,and i will encode it with new RC.My settings:

ANBU-One release
450kbps w/ 64kbps HE-AAC
New RC
5% low boost

The result is better than OldRC + DD.

[Sirber]

I'm adding the ActiveX producer to YS. I might keep both and let the user choose.

[damrod]

if you make it work...;-))


btw my doscommand work good...except i can't find how to send control+c command to the dos exe...

i will check that in the future...i prefer finish other things

[Marcel]

~damrod:
Whaddabaut Sendkeys?

(No, I'm not kidding (http://www.google.com/search?q=sendkeys+for+delphi), I think it's worth a try!)

~Sirber:
ActiveX?
You're talking 'bout a producer.exe command line call replacement?

[Sirber]

@Marcel

Nope, I'm talking about producer SDK, not commandline.
// Configure DLL
producer_sdk.JobFilename := jobfilename;
producer_sdk.TempDirectory := tempdir;

// Start job
producer_sdk.StartJob;
while producer_sdk.IsRunning do
Application.ProcessMessages;What I can't find is to see if I got error while encoding.

[edit]

Hum... seems to crash more than to encode. It has been created more for VB than for Delphi. Sucks :( I'm gonna keep the code in case someone find how to use it. Currently YS is 30MB.

[luoming0439]

@sirber
It's my producer.log today.I think it's terrible.I used new rc without dropdupe.the bitrate is up to 610kbps.:(
Do u think i have to use old rc+DD to avoid this problem?

,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:12,0,Load Level Headings: Reference Time, Stream Time, Delay, Interval Load, Average Interval Load, Processing Load, Stream Interval, Reference Interval, Accrued Delay, Average Delay, Load Level
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8050,--------- Input File Properties from rn-avfile-directshow
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8051,Input Filename: E:\media\comic\GD\[POPGO][Mobile_Suit_Gundam_SEED][GB]48.avi
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8052,File Size: 269.81MB
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8053,Total Duration: 23:36.649
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8080,Video Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8081, Dimensions: 640 x 480
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8082, Frame Rate: 29.000 FPS
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8083, Format: XVID
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8084, Duration: 23:36.649
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8060,Audio Track
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8061, Channels: Stereo
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8062, Bit Depth: 16
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8063, SampleRate: 48000 Hz
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8064, Format: Uncompressed Audio
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8065, Duration: 23:36.649
,Diagnostic,File Reader,2004/03/25 12:09:13,8054,--------- End Input File Properties
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,0,Using YS RealAnime Audience
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,0,Using video codec: rv10 (446000 bps)
,Diagnostic,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,0,Using audio codec: racp (64000 bps)
,Informational,SDK Encoding,2004/03/25 12:09:13,15005,Starting encoding pass
,Diagnostic,Video Codec,2004/03/25 12:09:14,20049,Setting video packet size to 1352
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/25 13:38:24,7040,Finished Writing Volume ID 1.
,Diagnostic,File Output,2004/03/25 13:38:24,7042,Finished writing RealMedia File.
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19000, Total | Audio | Video | Avg | Min | Avg | Min | Pre- |Audience Name
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19001, kbps | kbps | kbps | FPS | FPS | QI | QI | roll |
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19003, ad: 610 | 63.7 | 546 | 30.0 | 27.0@00:01:47 | 69 | 69@00:00:00 | 3 |YS RealAnime
,Informational,Statistics,2004/03/25 13:38:25,19002,Total Bitrate = 610 kbps
,Informational,Command Line,2004/03/25 13:38:25,10535,Encoding successful!

[Sirber]

Preview 2 don't detect FPS and set 23.976 by default. Please test with a 23.976FPS clip.

[Marcel]

~Sirber:
For AVI and MPEG1/2 (.mpg, .vob, .d2v) you can use TVideoInfo.FPS; it worked correctly for every file of that kind I had tested.

[Sirber]

Yes, I know :) That was my plan when I got your code :D

I removed vidframe.dll since it's not usefull anymore. I'm still trying to use the activex thing, but it's not very easy to add with Delphi.

[Sirber]

jeez

ActiveX is suck a pain when you want to use it as plain code, not in GUI mode. I got the ActiveX working ok. I'm removing producer commandline.

[edit]

I got it working in 5 minutes in GUI mode. I hate this VB style. I updated the screenshots. The DLL seems to handle each pass indenpendently (a word like that :D).

soHelixProducer.StartJob;
while (HelixProducer.IsRunning) do
Application.ProcessMessages;fails to wait if more than 1 pass (so at the second pass).

[Kaiousama]

Why did you switch into closed source developement?

[Gannjunior]

Uhh!!!Hi Kai!!!:D how r u?? it's " one life" i don't see you more on Quellicheilpc...come back again!!!:cool:

@Sirber
I've just seen your YS gui for anime and I like it very much.but i can open only avi file.I need to use avs file,or directly mpeg...but when i go to 'start' it doesn't happen anything...
i think the problem is your encoder is still in beta phase...
however thanks 4 you work!:)

ciaooo

[Sirber]

Originally posted by Gannjunior
I've just seen your YS gui for anime and I like it very much.but i can open only avi file.I need to use avs file,or directly mpeg...but when i go to 'start' it doesn't happen anything...
i think the problem is your encoder is still in beta phase...
however thanks 4 you work!:)

ciaooo This has been said earlier, only expert mode works. Also, you need to add at least 1 job.

Originally posted by Kaiousama
Why did you switch into closed source developement? YS is currently closed source and might open once finished. I just don't want someone to steal my source and finish it before me.

[damrod]

i'm innocent !!! :-p

pfff too tired to finih my migration...

[Sirber]

huh? Can you explain a bit more? I'm sure you will just wait YS is opensource and steal it like you did for RealBatch :p

[Kaiousama]

ahhh, it's Damrod you feared..... LOL!!! :p :p

[Gannjunior]

@Sirbert
Yes,i've read i need to use it in expert mode.and i've done it.the problem is when i load my avs file,after i've setted the codec option,i 'add' the job....i 'start', but... what happen is: the job i've added disappear and doesn't happen anything...
another problem: you've put all kind of framerate,but not PAL 25 fps...:p
could you add it in your next final version plz?
ciao!

[damrod]

@sirber : not this time

i finish my migration then start working with you and yatoshi on ys realanime

i want to finish my migration this week..it can be done :-)