NuMenu4U goes Final

[Alanoll]

any idea when i new build is to be released? There look to many improvements.

I believe i emailed Zeul one of my problems. NuMenu starts to run, and then its gets to subtitle processing. It stops at "Processing IDX file" and then says Failure, and tries again. I look in the Task Manager and there are quite a few SubtoSup processes running.

It doesn't happen all the time, just on some. Next time it happens, I'll be sure to post the log file.

[ByteRipper]

I wont get on your nerves zeul but can you give some info's about the release date of the next numenu version ?
Lord of the Rings: TTT lies about two months on my hd's and i need the space soon for other applications.

[Alanoll]

it's going to be some time. He sent me a PM saying he was writing the thing to use different operations and authoring methods.

[influenza]

He's rewriting it to use scenarist so a little patience is required I think ;)

[Geddons]

Hello guys, I have got a problem with Numenu4u using it or not with DoItFast4U. With doitfast4u, the CCE encoding systematically crashes during "the second frameserver". And if I try manually from Numenu4U, that does the same thing : The CCE Status window don't display anythin about time left, time remaining, speed etc... and my CPU is overburned!

How could I fix that ?

[D3s7]

sounds more like an issue w/ CCE to me...

try checking the "keep temporary files" option in numenu, run it once - that willd emux your files.

THen after it bombs, try manually running docce4u or batchcce (which ever your using) - see what that does.

however, if your overclocking yoru CPU that could be most of the issue

[Geddons]

Originally posted by D3s7
sounds more like an issue w/ CCE to me...

try checking the "keep temporary files" option in numenu, run it once - that willd emux your files.

THen after it bombs, try manually running docce4u or batchcce (which ever your using) - see what that does.

however, if your overclocking yoru CPU that could be most of the issue

Ok, I have unchecked the option "Delete temporary files" and retry to compress my menus but that still freezes. After it bombs, I have relaunched one more time DoCCE4 and the program shows me some job in waiting queue... Must I try to relaunch it from there ?

(My computer is not overclocked at all ;) )

Thank you for your help

[Geddons]

It seems that's still the same job who crashes : "I-BFF4~3VIDEO_TS_V01C__.VOB.mpv"... Should I post you my log file ?

[Geddons]

I can add that crashes too on "I-BFF4~3VTS_01_0_VO1C__.VOB.mpv" a similar name file... what is it ? :scared:

[D3s7]

what version of cce?

paste the error you get as well (exactly)

[Geddons]

Originally posted by D3s7
what version of cce?

paste the error you get as well (exactly)

CCE version : 2.50.01.00

For the error : I don't get any... that overbuns my cpu and it's all... here are the last lines of docce4'logs of mine's try :

21:24:59 Chapter list overwritten by CCEData!
21:24:59 Added job I-BFF4~3VIDEO_TS_V09C__.VOB
21:24:59 m_FirstJob = 1
21:24:59 ---
21:24:59 Starting Job: I-BFF4~3VIDEO_TS_V01C__.VOB
21:24:59 ECL Path: D:\DIFUtemp\D_VIDEO_TS\FRAMESERVING\I-BFF4~3VIDEO_TS_V01C__.VOB.ecl
21:24:59 Setting CCE Priority to Default
21:28:08 In OnProcessFinished(MY_TIMER_PASS1)
21:28:08 Processing Stopped!!!!!
21:28:12 m_FirstJob = 1

[D3s7]

ok your going to have to tell me what "overbuns my cpu" is

[Geddons]

Originally posted by D3s7
ok your going to have to tell me what "overbuns my cpu" is

Hum, sorry for my approximative english :scared:. I wanted to say "My cpu is extremely busy" so in my ressource window's manager (Windows XP pro) my CPU is at 100% by cctsp.exe (the executable of CCE).

[D3s7]

well that's not uncommon... cce always takes about 95-99% of my CPU.

how are you thinking it crashed then?

[Geddons]

Originally posted by D3s7
well that's not uncommon... cce always takes about 95-99% of my CPU.

how are you thinking it crashed then?

Hum because the window doesn't response and that many times the display (as I told before) don't display speed etc... just the string name (speed : (nothing) time remaining : (nothing))and sometimes, the compression begins but stops at 496kb and rest to 1% and not change...

Usually, when CCE is okay, your IDE led is constantly lighting and here I got nothing.

[D3s7]

ah ok.. (rereading your other posts as well)
try this, open your .avs file up in windows media player - make sure it's not an AVISynth script issue

[Geddons]

Originally posted by D3s7
ah ok.. (rereading your other posts as well)
try this, open your .avs file up in windows media player - make sure it's not an AVISynth script issue

Script issue ? If I open the .avs file, normally I should see the video playing in media player, I suppose if this is a script issue I'll see nothing or gettint an error ? :confused:

[D3s7]

yeah you'd get the avisynth error message..

Just guessing here... not sure what else would cause your issue.. I'm guessing CCE has worked for you before (with normal movie w/ out numenu)

[Geddons]

Ok, I have just open the .avs file called "I-BFF4~3VIDEO_TS_V01C__.VOB.avs" in the "FRAMESERVING" repertory and I see normally the video (=the menu) and there is no problem.

[Geddons]

Originally posted by D3s7
yeah you'd get the avisynth error message..

Just guessing here... not sure what else would cause your issue.. I'm guessing CCE has worked for you before (with normal movie w/ out numenu)

Yes off course, this is not my first movie with the Big3, but this is the first time I meet a menu of 780 mbytes :D

[Geddons]

Here is a screenshot that I took during the "freeze"

http://membres.lycos.fr/hypochondriac/numenu.png

That blockes there and doesn't want to go further :confused: .

What do you think of that ?

[Geddons]

Hum well... nobody could help me ? Is the bug on Non-US OS fixed ?

[Trahald]

see if you can find the corresponding .vaf file. if it is there delete it. then give it another try. might help

[Geddons]

Originally posted by Trahald
see if you can find the corresponding .vaf file. if it is there delete it. then give it another try. might help


Hum well, yesterday I have deleted Docce4u and installed Batchccews and upgraded my CCE (2.50.01 to 2.67.00.23) and it seems to go very well. Some times, one of the job crashes as well but I have just to stop it in batchccews and stop CCE and then I can reload the job and it's OK, I have tested it this morning, it seems that the programs aren't completely stable but that works now.

Thank you for your help guys :)

[matus2003]

Hello. Great soft, I did several menus using NuMenu, but I have problems with one. I did Abyss SE, and the menu is 16:9 Pan&Scan. NuMenu did everything OK, on PC (in WinDVD Platinium) everything looked OK, but on my 4:3 TV the reauthored menu was squeezed. It was not Pan&Scan, but all the 16:9 picture in 4:3 format. The subpictures was not changed, so they didn't fit the image.
I saw you discussed about the Abyss menu problems with D3s7. But I don't know what was the solution. I downloaded newest version, but it's the same.

[bigskank]

Any reason why you took the buttons to minimize and close NuMenu4U away? Kind of makes it a real pain in the ass.

[jel]

@bigskank
correct me if i am wrong or have misunderstood your question but arent these settings avaliable in the 'auxillary settings' window?
'run numenu4u minimized'
'close numenu4u automatically when finished'
etc

[Chibi Jasmin]

I still have a problem with the setting of the progressive frame flag: When running NuMenu4U only (without DoItFast4U), the flag is set correctly, but when using NuMenu4U integrated with DoItFast4U, the progressive frame flag is not set, although it is selected and content is progressive; I am working on a PAL project.

Anyone already encountered this and has any hints?

[influenza]

I think dif4u cannot control this at the moment

[Chibi Jasmin]

Too bad, hope this will be implemented, thanx for the quick answer.

[TuRiSOft]

When I try to keep only a LU from menu a message box appear showing "not correct parameter for MenuStripper".

This is a tool of yours , isn't it?

What does this message mean?


Is there a workaround?

What can I do (not only to protect myself against the flu , but to protect myself against this message too)?

If I was able to send attachments I'd send a SS of the error!
I hope you can figure it!

[Zeul]

unfortunately menustripper doesn't work too well. Be assured that a brand new version which is scenarist based is under heavy testing at the moment, and will be available to VIP members for beta testing very soon

Zeul

[TuRiSOft]

Originally posted by Zeul
unfortunately menustripper doesn't work too well. Be assured that a brand new version which is scenarist based is under heavy testing at the moment, and will be available to VIP members for beta testing very soon

Zeul

How can I become a VIP member?

I'm a VIP of DIF4U!

[Zeul]

Donating is normally the way

[matus2003]

Originally posted by matus2003
... menu is 16:9 Pan&Scan. NuMenu did everything OK, on PC (in WinDVD Platinium) everything looked OK, but on my 4:3 TV the reauthored menu was squeezed. It was not Pan&Scan, but all the 16:9 picture in 4:3 format. The subpictures was not changed, so they didn't fit the image.
Can anybody give me advice on this? Again, menu is 16-9 Pan-Scan, movie in that titleset is 4:3, and after Numenu and reauthoring the movie it looks OK on PC, but menu is squeezed from to 4:3 on standalone. D3s7, you did the Abyss, didn't you? Any problems with the aspect ratio of reauthored menu? I mean on 4:3 TV, if you have 16:9 you never notice. Please, any help welcome.

[EonBlue]

I get that same problem and using VBR instead of Roba 'fixes' that for me. But that means I can't use the NuMenu implementation in DIF4U because it uses Roba by default. I'm just waiting for the new Scenarist version of NuMenu that I've been hearing about.

[influenza]

But that means I can't use the NuMenu implementation in DIF4U because it uses Roba by default

hmm afaik it can do both

[TuRiSOft]

there's a little bug i found and a workaround too!

I tried (only for testing) to recompress a Menu Vob with Half D1 resolution(352*576).

The first time I got BCCE4U compressing only 1-frame long streams.
I tried to guess why and I found the AVSs ok then I took a look into docce4u.txt file in frameserving dir and I found it had last frame value=1 , then I corrected it and all worked correctly.

I'm a PAL user , the DVD was "ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA" , using DVD2AVIdg , forcing Deinterlacing , script for deinterlacing was LoadPlugin("C:\Programmi\DoItFast4U\new.avs\decomb.dll")
Telecide(blend=false)
HorizontalReduceBy2()
Crop(4,0,352,576)

After all that all worked fine , also in standalone.

I use cce One pass VBR only with Q=40(it seems to keep good quality and is very fast) and I use to exec Numenu4u before starting D4U.

Is this a good reason to add me to your VIP list?

Thx you anyway.

I hope to see (and test) the new version soon.

TuRiSOft!!!!!!!!

[matus2003]

To my 16:9 Pan-Scan problem: Since author didn't react, I just want to inform others how I solve this. I suppose it is due to parameters for BatchCCEWS or DoCCE4U.
Menu is in 16:9 Pan-Scan, but film in 4:3. In CCEData.txt file for BatchCCEWS there is on position Aspect Ratio -1 (Auto select). Menu is then encoded as 4:3 and in standalone it is not pan-scan, but 4:3
After change of parameter to 1 (16:9), it was encoded like 16:9, all went OK, on standalone it's OK also (16:9 pan-scan).

To TuRiSOft: Good tip, this reencoding in 1/2 resolution.

[EonBlue]

OK I spoke too soon. I just backed up Pulp Fiction Special Edition (R1) and used NuMenu on the menus using VBR. I thought everything was fine as I previewed the final product on my PC. But after burning it, the menu appears stretched and all of the button highlights are off target when I play it on my standalone (and I'm pretty sure it's not a problem with my standalone or any of the ratio settings associated with it). The menu is 16:9 and my TV is 4:3. Is there anyway to correct this without re-encoding the menus?

[Master Yoda]

OK, just a couple of quick question about numenu and the fake vob thing.The video_ts.vob on lion king 3 is 600mb, but all thats in it is 20 mins or so of a black screen.
Now numenu does'nt detect any fakes on this , but where the screen is just black it drops it down to about 50mb.All i wanna know is, does this mean all the ids in this are called up at some time or another when playing back.

Also what is a good avg and max bitrate to use, because if i use avg 3000, and a max of 8000, the menu does'nt drop much in size, only about 50mb.

[influenza]

Numenu doesn't detect any fakes? Strange, because lion king was the title that started the detection of fakes to begin with. I remember my video_ts.vob came down to 25 MB or so after using numenu.

[Zeul]

@EonBlue

that sounds like an incorrect association of stream id's within either the vob or ifo. (probably an ifoedit problem). so for example the buttons are being displayed that should be associated with widescreen mode, even on a 4:3 TV which should be pan-scan button setting.

@MasterYoda
Have just done this vob with the scenarist version and it came down to <1MB

This will not now be an issue with the scenarist version now in VIP testing


Zeul

[Master Yoda]

The fake detection works, as it dropped the video_ts.vob of ned kelly down from 995mb to 466kb.Just on lion king 3 theres just a black screen in the video_ts.vob, but it did'nt see anything fake, it re-encoded the black screen down to 50mb.

Now the re-encoding part does'nt bother me, except that i dont wanna run 6 pass' on a black screen, so i would have to do the black screen at 1 pass, then re-open nemenu and do the main menu separate at 6 pass'.

[Zeul]

@MasterYoda

The only ways that I know of to check for a dummy VOB are:

1) if the vobid doesn't appear in any PGC
2) if the PGC has no command table (ie no pre/post/cell commands). This PGC can never return if called therefore it will never be called in the first place. In this instance any VOBs that are in this PGC but NOT in any other will be stripped.

If neither of these 2 instances are fullfilled then I can't think of any other way to determine that a VOB is false, except for analysing each and every command inc button commands across every VTS to see if this particular PGC is ever called.

Any other suggestions welcomed

Zeul

[influenza]

Am I mistaking here or doesn't numenu detect the black video on lion king? Because I remember reporting that to zeul (I was also tired of watching it encode black video) and Zeul fixing it.

Edit: oops I see now: lion king 3. Did that tonight, but I let it run on itself, so I really wouldn't know if it detected it correctly.

[Zeul]

i think EonBlue is doing Lion King 3, i believe we were doing a previous one??

[influenza]

Yes see my edit. I need glasses :D

[Master Yoda]

So what do u guys use for your max and avg bitrates ???

As i used a avg of 3000 and a max of 8000.This didnt drop the size much, only about 50mb smaller.Then i looked at the original menu with bitrate viewer, there i saw the avg on the original was about 3100.So i guess it also depends on the avg of the original.With that avg i would need to use a avg half of that to half the size of the menu.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by Master Yoda
So what do u guys use for your max and avg bitrates ???


It depends on the menu. Some menus are extreme wastes of space, using 4000kbps for practically still shots. You can take these down to 1000kpbs and they look good. Others are fine the way they are.

As a general rule I start at 1800kbps and adjust it from there, depending on how active the menus are. If your really anal you can stop BatchCCE and tweak the cells individually. I find that the main menu is often more active than the scene/audio/sub menus.

It would be sweet if NuMenu could use a 'dynamic bit distribution' similiar to what Jdobbs is doing in DVD-RB. The original Cell is analyised and it's bitrate compared to the rest of the video, the new bitrate is then scaled to the original ratio. This would actually be fairly easy to do, even by hand, with NuMenu since you have the length of each cell (in BatchCCE's file) and the size of the demuxed .mpv file for each cell.