FairUse 2.6 is out [Archive] - Page 7

jjwerrett

13th July 2006, 21:23

well found the CBR best to use for MP3 i cant say i tried the OGM container way with .ogg audio hmmm might give that a go as i got a TVIX box which store my films on at the moment which got 400GB hard drive but i never tried OGM film on it think i will try a sample. but as every film i do is set to 2GB file size would anyone recommend any tweaks or that as noticed got option for codec settings for xvid which i leave alone as boy i get lost on it, as you can see this program perfect for me just cause i dont have change this or this just press and go and sleep and wake up and ahh haa it done.

has anyone actually got the old fairuse though which had divx 3.11 with it i just want try it sounds stupid but it just bit fun end day, i would like the cross cutting put on a test maybe Druid could do it as he seems good programmer but i just want see it may take the extra hrs but at the cost of higher output it means it be the only program to be able give the highest quality using various encodes of high or low motion in scenes which what i liked bout it.

Well hope someone can upload the old version be great and thank you for few who helped bout the audio all left is the video resoutions and if to use the internal or external codecs which for me is the lastest XVID install.

hope this helps other newbies like myself for using this awsome program:D

foxyshadis

14th July 2006, 04:34

The best thing you could probably do with xvid at that size is to give it a custom matrix, such as 6of9 or EQM HR. Searching for "matrix" should bring them up.

Instead of ogm, you should try mkv instead (with vorbis or aac audio), and let ogm die peacefully, it's not a terribly useful format.

jjwerrett

14th July 2006, 18:19

Right okay first thin i dont know anything bout Matrix or EQM etc!! so need help there as i dont know what to do i know how to load a custom matrix or save it but that it lol. what you mean by mkv as how can i go by doing aac as i was just gona put it to ogg which i though was ogm container. is there alot diffrence in ogm and mkv container. So far this help is awsome so thank you to everyone and really hope this helping anybody like me :)

celtic_druid

15th July 2006, 05:11

FU only does aac for the iPod mode, which means mp4 (also SP video). I could modify it to do aac for mkv. Probably dump VDubMod for mkvmerge for mkv output to. Could do the same for ogm; using say OGMuxer. Then I guess use AVI-Mux GUI for avi output and get rid of VDubMod altogether.

Plenty of stuff that could be done with FU. Probably getting rid of VfW encoding would be the first step though. (xvidencraw, x264 cli, etc.).

mkv will give you lower overhead. Can handle vorbis audio, as well as subs and chapters. So basically everything that ogm could do, accept mkv is still being developed.

jjwerrett

17th July 2006, 23:33

well druid i dont mind if you want to try do that if you got spare time but i deff up for the ogg audio or acc with the ogm container just i a newbie so dont know anything on the mkv or that. but i wont mind using ogg or acc for the audio format end day i like ogg at 80kbits and think i produces a relativly good sample back. just hope there ways that can be used to improve encoding and give better quality as time to me is nothing and rather have extra few hours knowing my output xvid or divx file will look 5% better than the current version!!

does anyone know yet what diffrence you get if you encode with the internal codec and the external codec?

hope everyone is well

celtic_druid

18th July 2006, 04:07

If you had the same version installed externally, then there would be no difference.

laserfan

18th July 2006, 13:32

...does anyone know yet what diffrence you get if you encode with the internal codec and the external codec?If you try to use "external Xvid" codec with FUW2.5, your settings will not be used insofar as at least "custom Matrix" and "# of BVOPs". I don't know what other settings might get over-ridden--these are ones I could see were incorrect in my output, via MPEG4Modifier's analysis.

I spent a lot of time trying to find the problem to no avail. But when I revert to FUW 2.1a, and then add 2.2pre3.exe release, everything works. I think the way FUW uses the Registry settings was changed after that, and something broke... :(

celtic_druid

18th July 2006, 14:56

Two different things though; external XviD and custom settings. You can use the internal XviD build, but with your own settings or an external build, but with settings based on the quality/speed slider.

laserfan

18th July 2006, 19:54

Two different things though; external XviD and custom settings...Not sure why, if I understand your comment right, anyone would even WANT to use an external Xvid build, and not use their custom settings with it as well.

My need is that I like to use the Xvid build from AutoGK, which has MTK/Sigma compatibility features, and a custom matrix. I know from exchanges I've had with ump that he'd been trying to get FUW to work for me, but like I said somewhere along the way the registry setting system and/or FUW's handling of external Xvid "broke" after 2.1a and 2.2pre3.

loopyloops

18th July 2006, 22:11

Just received an email re: the FU 2.5 update - is that different than the one I downloaded a week or so ago? Just wondering 'cause the email came in just now. Thanks!!

jjwerrett

18th July 2006, 23:31

okay so let me gess this right the program dont work correctly in that the internal xvid codec is no use as it dont update itself through the registry when you change settings, but the external codec which is lately version there is on net does work along with the settings because it works fine with registry settings been sent to the codec? is this correct or not.

Also this custom matrix i would liek to learn more about it as i never messed bout with the codecs options before and would like to have a go but what do i change or can anyone give the matrix as a export as i no i can load or save them it just there loads numbers and to me i probaly change it and it go wrong!!!

well druid will wait for any new builds from you testing diffrent parts but if u need a tester i sure love to help in any way :)

jjwerrett

19th July 2006, 08:44

well i am currently doing a test with the 0.30 version of fairuse which was divx3 and currently now with the 2.5 latest version with xvid, i got to say for cross cutting and all the divx3 produced a very good copy of aeon flux. so it will be good to see how the xvid comes out and they are set to the same settings of 988mb and 160k audio bitrate so will let you lot know. but funny part is the divx3 codec and cross cutting took me 4hrs for the lot to be done than 5hrs which the xvid does so not bad for 4 encodes when xvid does a 2 pass!!

well will let you all know how goes as gonna do a compare with eyes and also with screenshots so some of you can see a sample if you like to just show you that maybe cross cutting if druid or that can do it is not a bad thing and why ti was taken out is a shame.

"loopyloops" i did receieve a email bout the FU 2.5 update but this was on the 13th July 2006 so i dont no if was a delay with your email or that but though i see if would help by giving date i received my email bout FU 2.5

jjwerrett

19th July 2006, 12:34

well done the encodes and divx3 had more vivid colour than xvid but at the cost of blocks so that out window was fun test though as the divx3 cross cuttings does good job of it on dark area where it actually black not dark grey look, well shame xvid cant have this cross cutting method as wonder how it would actually come out at the end be intresting to see. well since i stick with xvid i need now know bout this custom matrix since i encode all dvds at 192kbit mp3 and set file size to 2gb but would liek to try ogg audio but dont no wat container to put it in.

also still gona wait and see bout this internal and external codec problem that the external one gets the correct settings and the internal doesnt so will wait for an answer there.

but most of all want know bout this matrix stuff as i wana see wat happens if i change it to a custom one like a user said but i dont no what part i mess round with

~bT~

19th July 2006, 13:48

For some reason, my ext or int XviD settings are not honoured. Things like custom matrice, b-vops etc. I checked with MpegModifier. Anyone solved this yet?

celtic_druid

19th July 2006, 15:44

Looks like a HT profile is being loaded. So most settings get ignored. Disabling bframes will work, but if they are enabled then you get 1 consecutive with packed bitstream enabled. Qpel and GMC get ignored and you always get H.263 quants. So the settings are being loaded, just most overidden by the HT profile.

Shouldn't take to long to find the problem and fix it. Need to change my build anyway since the VfW is broken (GMC gets disabled for unrestricted, although that isn't such a bad thing, since GMC crashes). No time to look now though.

Once again, using an external XviD build, has nothing to do with custom settings. They are seperate things.

laserfan

19th July 2006, 22:47

Once again, using an external XviD build, has nothing to do with custom settings. They are seperate things.c_d I don't understand this--what are you defining as "custom settings"?

Like I said above, I like the Xvid build from AutoGK because I use the MTK/Sigma profile embedded with it (OTTOMH I think it's called "NTSC MTK" perhaps) and then I load a custom matrix (not H.263) and change a number of other settings here & there (this is what *I* mean by "custom settings").

All looks well on the surface w/FUW2.5, but when my encoding is complete the result includes (at least) the H.263 quants and 1 BVOPs vs. what I'd expected.

Any clarification you can offer would be appreciated--am I right in understanding too that you are the guru behind the "MTK/Sigma" stuff? I use Pinnacle ShowCenter players with Sigma Designs chipsets...

celtic_druid

20th July 2006, 03:03

I am refering to the encoding mode "codec settings" = custom settings and unticking "use internal XviD" = external.

As I said, all that is happening with the H.263 quants, 1 bvop, etc. could be explained if FU was accidentally loading a HomeTheatre profile, since it would force all of that. Doesn't mean that your settings aren't being loaded and it happens for internal and external versions of XviD here.

Yes, I added the MTK profiles. From recollection it wasn't my idea though.

laserfan

20th July 2006, 04:23

I am refering to the encoding mode "codec settings" = custom settings and unticking "use internal XviD" = external.
OK, so am I.

As I said, all that is happening with the H.263 quants, 1 bvop, etc. could be explained if FU was accidentally loading a HomeTheatre profile, since it would force all of that.
I'm exposing my ignorance cuz I don't know exactly what Xvid functionality is asserted via a profile selection; but this clarifies your position for me, thanks.

I did go 'round & round with ump on this problem--he said he couldn't duplicate my findings. But I can certainly see that something broke after 2.1a, and numerous others at the FU support site have complained about "external Xvid" issues as well. I appreciate that you've shown an interest in this!

celtic_druid

20th July 2006, 04:47

Well I can replicate it.
Basically HT profiles don't allow qpel, GMC or quants other than H.263. Also if bframes are enabled, they are limited to 1 consecutive with pb enabled. I also made sure that N-VOP's don't get used and from recollection, if interlacing is enabled, bframes are disabled.

You can check my theory by disabling bframes. Should result in an encode without bframes. This would not be the case if the settings were simply being ignored.

I should have time tonight to have a proper look and hopefully fix it.

~bT~

20th July 2006, 09:37

I should have time tonight to have a proper look and hopefully fix it.
This last line I like:thanks:

celtic_druid

20th July 2006, 10:54

Ok, looks like unless you have it set to iPod, a home theatre profile gets loaded.

Should be fixed now. Err wait, still got only 1 bvop. CQM, qpel and packed bitstream are working though. Then again, looks like only 1 bframe because I screwed up the MTK profile. That is now fixed. No bframe limit for MTK profiles now. Perhaps I should set it to 3?

Ok, tests as ok here. Maybe I broke one of the other modes though?

Uploading now, same link as before.

~bT~

20th July 2006, 15:00

@celtic_druid
Thanks a lot. Gonna test now n post results.

BTW, how do I use the nero dll with fairuse? Sorry to be a pain.

celtic_druid

20th July 2006, 15:10

exe, not dll, unless you meant dl as in download. Just put neroAacEnc.exe (or rename the SSE2 build) in your fairuse dir and it is used for the audio in iPod mode. 2 pass ABR with -lc since ipod's can't properly handle he.

Should also point out that using an external XviD version that doesn't have MTK profiles will probably break quality/speed encoding since I set that to use MTK profiles. ESS uses Home Theatre, iPod is still SP@L3.

~bT~

20th July 2006, 15:36

exe, not dll, unless you meant dl as in download.
You're right, I meant to type .exe. Was in a hurry.

Update: Yippeeeeee! its working now.

Packed bitstream: Yes
QPel: No
GMC: No
Interlaced: No
Aspect ratio: Square pixels
Quant type: MPEG Custom

Custom intra matrix:
8 14 14 14 15 15 18 21
14 14 14 14 15 16 19 22
14 14 15 15 17 19 22 25
14 14 15 18 21 23 27 31
15 15 17 21 26 30 35 40
15 16 19 23 30 38 46 56
18 19 22 27 35 46 61 76
21 22 25 31 40 56 76 99

Custom inter matrix:
19 19 19 19 20 21 24 28
19 19 19 19 20 22 26 29
19 19 20 21 23 26 29 34
19 19 21 24 28 31 36 42
20 20 23 28 35 41 48 55
21 22 26 31 41 51 63 76
24 26 29 36 48 63 83 103
28 29 34 42 55 76 103 134

I-VOPs: 49 (0.62%)
P-VOPs: 3470 (44.13%)
B-VOPs: 4345 (55.25%)
S-VOPs: 0 (0.00%)
N-VOPs: 0 (0.00%)

Max consecutive B-VOPs: 2
1 consec: 71.49%
2 consec: 28.51%

BUT. its freezing on the final stage. Not writing the output file. Only tried it once yet, will try again & post back.

Update: Pressed cancel as it wasnt doing anything. Then it outputted the file but went straight to my next project which I hadnt selected to rip.

jjwerrett

20th July 2006, 18:26

well i see a custom matrix for me to try in the post above, what will i expect though what will be diffrent. bEnGaLi tHuG - what does ut custom maxtrix do does the quality change or that :)

~bT~

20th July 2006, 19:14

well i see a custom matrix for me to try in the post above, what will i expect though what will be diffrent. bEnGaLi tHuG - what does ut custom maxtrix do does the quality change or that :)
:search:

~bT~

21st July 2006, 00:03

@celtic_druid
This time round, using your build again, Im getting undersized files now. Used the AC3 audio instead to fill the gap.

Edit: Sorry. My mistake, didnt have 2 pass ticked. Also forgot to say that the output file was written ok this time. Will be using your build from now so any issues I will post here FYI. Thanks for sorting it out.

laserfan

21st July 2006, 02:28

@celtic_druid: ...Will be using your build from now...I am anxious to try it myself but will have to wait another day to do so...

laserfan

21st July 2006, 22:55

OK, my custom settings "took" with your build celtic_druid! Great! But I too had the problem of the final "Writing to output file" dialog sticking at 0%. Cancelling-out of that caused the file to be written (to my preset output directory).

If you can find that one glitch I think that would be great. Although I haven't tested it I believe/expect that the glitch would likely stop batch jobs dead in their tracks.

Thanks again for your work on this!

~bT~

21st July 2006, 23:00

celtic_druid

22nd July 2006, 05:34

It uses VDubMod for muxing. There are several popups that you get when you first run it. I added I think registry keys to disable two of them. If you have say DivX3 installed, then I guess you would get a further popup which could explain it.

So before running FU, I guess try loading up VDubMod, see if you get a GPL welcome, mkv warning, etc.

Solution I guess would be to kill VDubMod and use I guess AVI-Mux GUI instead. Or I could further work on the installer.

Then again the problem could be something completely different.

~bT~

22nd July 2006, 10:12

Solution I guess would be to kill VDubMod and use I guess AVI-Mux GUI instead. Or I could further work on the installer.

Then again the problem could be something completely different.How do I kill VDubMod? (remove it from the directory?) & if I did kill it, will it cause problems with batch encoding?

celtic_druid

22nd July 2006, 12:13

Yeah, delete it. It would cause problems with all encoding, batch or otherwise for everthing except for ipod stuff since mp4box is used for muxing that.

~bT~

22nd July 2006, 13:20

Yeah, delete it. It would cause problems with all encoding, batch or otherwise for everthing except for ipod stuff since mp4box is used for muxing that.
I havent had the same problem again, so Im not doing anything now. But just wanted to know for future ref. Thanks.

laserfan

22nd July 2006, 20:59

I tried it once again and this time it worked without the "hang at 0% output file being written".

I dunno what might cause this "halts only on 1st attempt", but I also can't state with complete certainty that it never happened to me before (I've installed/uninstalled/reinstalled many versions of ump's FUW over the last couple years).

In any case it seems to be working now, and I will be doing some of my favorite encodings with it (episodic DVD discs to Xvid using MTK NTSC profile) this weekend, so will report back if I see any issues.

Thanks again celtic_druid!j

p.s. As I said above I spent A LOT of time trying to help ump see my problem & fix it, to no avail--can you say here c_d what exactly you fixed!!??? I'd do a "compare" of your source w/ump's, but can't find yours...

celtic_druid

22nd July 2006, 21:39

There is a patch on my site. Haven't added the latest change though. Basically as I said, home theatre profiles got used, unless you were in iPod mode (case 3).

#ifdef FAIRUSE_PRO
switch(_session->preset) {
case 3:
regXviDProfile = "Simple @ L3";
break;
case 1:
if(_summary->IsPal()) {
regXviDProfile = "Home Theatre PAL";
} else {
regXviDProfile = "Home Theatre NTSC";
}
break;
case 2:
break;
case 0:
if(_summary->IsPal()) {
regXviDProfile = "MTK PAL";
} else {
regXviDProfile = "MTK NTSC";
}
break;
default:
#endif
if(_summary->IsPal()) {
regXviDProfile = "Home Theatre PAL";
} else {
regXviDProfile = "Home Theatre NTSC";
}
#ifdef FAIRUSE_PRO
break;
}
#endif

I added a case for quality/speed and set it to MTK. Set codec settings to nothing, ESS to HT as it should be and left default for no real reason. All that was really needed was "case 2: break;" or if changed default to case 1 (ESS).

Probably the official installer added a VDubMod reg key that I missed. I added SeenMatroskaDeprecated 1.5.10.2 & SeenWelcome. But as I said, if you have DivX3 installed, then I think you would get another popup. I don't have it installed, so it worked here. Can't see why anyone would have DivX3 installed though, although I guess there could be other pop ups or it could be something else. Does seem to fit since it only fails the first time.

I knew straight away that it was loading HT profiles, so it took basically no time to find and fix the problem. If you were looking for something else, then you never would have found it.

laserfan

22nd July 2006, 22:31

I knew straight away that it was loading HT profiles, so it took basically no time to find and fix the problem...Well, I appreciate that you did it, and your post, thanks.

Re: the pop-ups, I don't have Divx3 installed FWIW. Regardless, the one "hang" should not cause anyone problems, since Okay-ing out of it still resulted in the output file being written.

~bT~

23rd July 2006, 00:02

This is the log for the 1st time I started FU (your latest build)

23:43:10 3320 FairUse Wizard 2.5 log file
23:43:10 3320 2 processor(s) detected
23:43:10 3320 Directory set to : C:\Program Files\FairUse Wizard 2\
23:44:06 3320 RegCopyKey() : ERROR (will retry)
23:44:06 3320 RegCopyKey() : ERROR (will retry)
23:44:06 3320 RegCopyKey() : ERROR (will retry)
23:44:06 3320 RegCopyKey() : ERROR
23:44:06 3320 DivXCodec::Create() : Succeeded to open internal XviD codec
23:44:28 3320 DivXCodec::Create() : Succeeded to open internal XviD codec

Somethings seems wrong...

foxyshadis

23rd July 2006, 01:11

~bT~

23rd July 2006, 02:08

Download Regmon (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Regmon.html) and check out what key it's trying to access (since the log doesn't show it). Make sure you set the include filter to the fairuse executable, or you'll get WAY too many messages.
Thanks for that tip. Yeah, it was trying to access some ffVFW codec key. I dont have it installed so it wont find it. Now let me try n encode sumfin n see if all is working...

Feedback: Installed the latest celtic_druid build. Everything is working well inc batch encoding. No freezing on outputting 1st encode anymore. Gr8 work celtic_druid!!!

rack04

23rd July 2006, 15:42

Can someone please explain to me what is the difference in using external and internal codecs? I use fairuse to convert my DVD movies to xvid avi for use on my WM5 PocketPC with TCPMP. Thanks.

celtic_druid

23rd July 2006, 15:52

Didn't we already cover this? You use the internal version and you get whatever build is bundled. You use external and you get whatever is installed on your system. Could be that they are the exact same builds, in which case, no difference.

rack04

24th July 2006, 03:58

Can anyone tell me why I can't get the "Auto set" to crop correctly? How does everyone else perform this function? See example below:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a199/rack04/untitled-3.jpg

celtic_druid

24th July 2006, 06:26

Looks fine to me. Try pressing 16:9 if you want it to just crop the black.

jjwerrett

24th July 2006, 21:59

druid can you give a post with you link to your build so i can try ur build using the lastest external codec and using the post which showed someones custom matrix to have a go with

thanks

~bT~

24th July 2006, 22:06

druid can you give a post with you link to your build so i can try ur build using the lastest external codec and using the post which showed someones custom matrix to have a go with

thanksceltic_druid's latest build (http://mirror05.x264.nl/celtic_druid/force.php?file=./fu2.5-setup.exe)

Link to Sharx matrices (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=83125)
The above link will also give details about the custom matrices too.

weaver4

25th July 2006, 14:16

I am a paid customer of FUW but I never got an update email. Who do I send email to?

laserfan

25th July 2006, 15:41

If you use the link from the last email you received, it will give the new version.

CLS

30th July 2006, 09:47

@UMP:
Very encouraging announcement, let's wait and see. Once it works, I am probably about to write an article (maybe even some kind of guide) about the differences in rips targeting TV sets and PC screens.

regards,
halbacht

I', just searching for a guide to FU. Is there any guide available somewhere? *I would highly appreciate it! :)*

Thanks...