DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 5

[dvdshrink]

DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 5 is now available.

http://www.dvdshrink.org/

The changes are:

Version 3.0 Beta 5 - 16 Aug 2003

Fixed VTS address offsets in TT_SRPT for re-authored disks with more than one title. This will have caused problems with some burning software and may have prevented playback of the second title, depending on player.

[quantum]

Still steals the IFO file association. Does this every time program is run.

[dvdshrink]

OK! It will be fixed in beta 6.

I will have to add code to clean up the registry so the associations don't still point to beta 5.

[AND1]

Can you please incorporate the layer break into beta 6 or if you are already planning it for the 3.0 Final release thanks a lot.

[quantum]

OK! It will be fixed in beta 6.

I will have to add code to clean up the registry so the associations don't still point to beta 5.Is that really necessary? These are clearly labelled as beta's. I'd just fix it in 6 and be done with it, unless the clean up code was very easy to implement.

[JFerguson]

Hey, Shrink.

Can you give us an ETA on Beta 6, so we can determine whether we want to bother giving Beta 5 a go or not.

Just Kidding! ;)

Keep up the good work!

[barfman]

Hi there, sorry for asking a dumb newbie question, I've been using dvdshrink beta3 for the past week or so and I was wondering whether or not the recently discovered bugs would have affected me? All my backups were either movie only, or 'full'/1:1 with no compression. Am I correct in interpreting that the bug only affects reauthor mode where somebody tries to keep various bits and pieces and then apply compression to other bits?

Thanks,
Barf

[dvdshrink]

All bugs fixed since beta 1 have been concerned with re-author mode, EXCEPT for the FF/RW bug which was fixed in beta 4.

The FF/RW bug would have affected any video in any part of the DVD which was set to "automatic" but the engine decided not to compress for that specific part - generally a rare situation. If your backup DVDs are working, then no need to do them again.

[maa]

Any Idea why all Beta versions freeze my Athlon1Giga/AtiRage128/AsusA7V during encoding when Ver 2.3 works perfectly ?

[brush]

Originally posted by maa
Any Idea why all Beta versions freeze my Athlon1Giga/AtiRage128/AsusA7V during encoding when Ver 2.3 works perfectly ?

Because it is BETA VERSIONS :D

I don't really understand your problem
Ive got asus motherboard A7V8X and no freezing when encoding, neither in 2.3 version ,nor in BETAS

[arch_angel16]

Trying to backup DVDs that have one title, but that one is ~2 1/2 hours of video, almost 6GB. I'm wondering how I could use DVDShrink to split the main title into a 2 hour title and another 1/2 hour title, then merge with another DVD title. this possible?

In plain english...

DVD1 - eps 1,2,3,4,5 (1 title)
DVD2 - eps 6,7,8,9,10 (1 title)
DVD3 - eps 11,12,13,14,15 (1 title)
DVD4 - eps 16,17,18,19,20 (1 title)

I wantsa make 4 DVD-Rs

DVDR1 - eps 1,2,3,4
DVDR2 - eps 5,6,7,8
DVDR3 - eps 9,10,11,12
DVDR4 - eps 13,14,15,16
DVDR5 - eps 17,18,19,20

I heard that you can merge DVD titles with DVDShrink...can you also split a title in 2 ?

[samtroy]

dvdshrink,

maybe you could briefly comment here on the layer-break issue since my seperate thread on that matter

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59603

has been closed (for whatever reason)... :confused:

Greets, S.

[luphy]

Arch_Angel16,

Yes you can do both removal of titles and combining of titles from different DVDs using Shrink3. Just use the re-author function.

If you really want to have the menus, you can reduce the titles you want to 'remove' to stills without audio. You obviously won't have any menus when you combine titles from different DVDs.

And a warning to all ver3 beta users/testers. As it is clearly labelled BETA, do not expect any copies you make now to be "perfect". Don't come crying if the time you spent on a backup now is wasted because there was an unknown bug. Since DVDShrink is kind enough to spend his free time making this free program, we could at least do our small part by helping him find the bugs. I myself have not had much problems but thanks to others for helping find the little bugs.

And one last request from others - if you want to post a suggestion, do so - but please read all the other Shrink posts first to see if it's already been mentioned. Repeated request for the same suggestion probably gets annoying. Seeing how responsive the author is to questions, etc. I'm sure he knows about all the feature requests. No need to constantly remind him. And no need to remind him that a certain known bug is still present in a Beta if it's not mentioned in the fix log. And same goes for known feature requests - if it's not mentioned that it's implemented in the fix log - then it's not. Don't keep nagging.

[javierol]

Hi
I have been using 2.3 and have now started using the new Beta5.
I have a question: In Reauthor Mode, even if I am not compressing, just
getting rid of extras, should I be using the Deep Analysis mode? It takes
more time and I can't see what benefit I would have since I am not
compressing, but keeping 100 percent quality.
Also why is an extra chapter added at the end with only 15 cents of a
second? I can remove this chapter index with IFOEDIT but I would like to
know if there is a reason for it to be there or if it is a mini-bug.

Thanks a lot. I love this program.

Javier

[Kedirekin]

Doubt that you need to do deep analysis if the quality is 100%. After all, you can't get better quality that 100%, and deep analysis is there to improve quality.

On the other hand, even with deep analysis, backups are pretty darn fast.

The 0.15 second chapter is probably just so you can skip to the end. That's a pretty common tactic used in DVDs. Are you sure that 0.15 second chapter isn't there in the original? It really is very common, and in my opinion simply good practice.

[sdionne]

there is something missing in DVDShrink. I use the beta5 to rip LOTR 1 Extended Version CD1.

There is a lot of folders and files :

AUDIO_TS
AUTORUN.INF
common
disc.id
install.exe
JACKET_P
README.TXT
test.log
VIDEO_TS
vssver.scc
win

DVDShrink, only ripped the VIDEO_TS folder.... Recode, is able to create them all.

I'll want to make a full copy of the DVD.

[Kedirekin]

There is nothing missing. DVDShrink only deals with the video.

If you want to includes the extraneous files on your backup, first make sure that DVDShrink leaves enough free space for the files. If your extraneous files are less than 15 MB, there'll probably be enough free space by default. If they're larger, you will need to change all the 'auto's to fixed rate, then bump the rate down a very tiny amount on one of the titles/categories.

Then, when DVDShrink is done, simply copy the extraneous files yourself from the DVD. You can do this in Windows Explorer. There's nothing magical about these extraneous files. They're just regular files.

[papillon]

sdionne
I can understand wanting the JACKET_P folder, as for anything else..?
But if you must have them on your disk, just drag & drop them to your burn folder.

[The eDealer]

Sorry, but i think there are 2 Bugs in the Beta 5:

1. I made a re-author version from 2 DVDs as a test and there is the VIDEO_TS folder missing. The AUDIO_TS is made but all the files are in the selected folder?! e.g. i selekted "C:\Test" as the destination, then i have all the files in Test and the empty folder AUDIO_TS.

2. when i use the deep analysis function (with the transcoding or befor) i get an message, that the files are CSS protected and the transcoding stoped. When i only use the standard analysis every thing is fine.

a suggestion:
it would be nice to support the "arrows" as a fine trigger for the ratio selection.

[Kedirekin]

1. DVDShrink doesn't create a VIDEO_TS folder for you - at least no prior version ever has. If you want the results of transcoding to be in a VIDEO_TS folder, create a VIDEO_TS folder and set your destination to that (C:\temp\VIDEO_TS, for example).

I don't know where the AUDIO_TS folder is coming from. DVDShrink has never created an AUDIO_TS folder in my experience.

2. Have you experienced this with several DVDs, or just one? Are there any really small VOB files on the DVD? Some (most?) rippers have problems decrypting really small files because there isn't enough data to support a brute-force key discovery.

Precision adjustment would be a nice-to-have, but only that - nice-to-have. You can achieve pretty fine adjustment even now if you use your mouse carefully (adjustments in approx 8 MB jumps IIRC, which is very fine adjustment indeed).

[The eDealer]

1 - OK, i think i can live with that. Your right! It was the rest of an DVDFab Test, sorry.
2 - I tested it with 4 DVDs, all the same: short analysis is OK deep analysis i got the message. All standard DVDs and no Problem for the Decrypter! When i use the decrypted Version from the HD, also the deep analysis is OK.
3 - I meen fine!! I tuned the targed size up to 4480 to use every MB! 8MB is fine but i thought my mouse is nervouse. This could be better ?!

[JFerguson]

Shrink, I just posted another bug (Beta 5) related to the "Automatic / 100%" setting in the DVD Shrink Beta 3 bug report thread.

Have a look if you get a chance - thanks...

[sdionne]

I'm trying to backup LOTR 1 Extended version Disc2... I can do below 43%.. and the extra is a preview for LOTR2... I remove it.. but It's not enough.. still missing space...

it could be cool to be able to choose our ratio..

[Kedirekin]

Good Golly! How big are these extraneous files on LOTR1?

In my experience, the extraneous (non-video) files are rarely over 200 MB, and they're usually only that big when there is a game preview on the disk. If there is no game demo, it should be under 50 MB.

This is a stupid question, but you're not trying to copy the VIDEO_TS folder from the original DVD, are you? The files in the VIDEO_TS folder are the ones that DVDShrink shrank, so you don't need to copy those.

You can choose your ratio, within limits. You can not go beyond the maximum compression ratio, and you can't go above 100% ;) .

And I don't believe the maximum is imposed by DVDShrink at whim. I believe the maximum corresponds to increasing the quantization of the stream as far as it can go. Try this - shrink a DVD with DVDShrink, then open the shrunken DVD in DVDShrink. You'll see that the maximum compression ratio for the shrunken DVD is higher than that for the original. That's because the quantization in the shrunken version is higher than the original, so there's less room to increase the quantization.

If you can't get enough room for the extraneous files no matter how you try, consider burning them to a CDR. Like I said, there's nothing magical about these files. They'll work just as well from a CDR as they will from a DVDR.

[strikz99]

I've been trying to experiment with DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink - first decrypting a DVD (Chicago) with DVDDecrypter, and then trying to load the .ifo files into Shrink - so I can experiment without having to wait for the slow DVD drive.

My problem is that DVDShrink comes back saying "File not found" - even though the .ifo file is definitly in place. I'm selecting "Open Files", and I'm using beta 5. I've also tried using SmartRipper as the ripping tool, but get the same thing in Shrink.

I've tried switching off decryption in DVDDecryter, but still get the same. I know that obviously DVDShrink doesn't "support" DVDDecrypter, but wondered if anyone knew what is going on.

S.

[Kedirekin]

No idea why DVDShrink is saying 'file not found'. Perhaps its a path issue. Try moving all the files to C:\chig (or C:\chig\VIDEO_TS) to eliminate all possibilities of 'long filename' and 'space in path' issues. I don't think it'll fix it, but it's a simple thing to try.

Also, is it telling you which file is not found? When you used file mode, did you copy all the files? Perhaps it's finding the ifo just fine, but not finding something else that it is expecting to be there.

FYI: I always rip my DVDs with DVDDecrytor in ISO mode, mount them with daemon tools, then do DVDShrink from the mounted ISO. This gives maxmimum compatibility without the slowness of (or wear on) the DVD drive.

[sdionne]

There is a feature who can be add the DVDShrink. Be able to specified a Free Space Buffer.

ex: I want a 4.5 DVD with 300 megs free. It' like saying that I want a custom size of 4.2gigs... but It's easier to stay with the default size, and just specified the free space.


That's really usefull, when you want to add stuff in the DVDR after ripping it.

[Kedirekin]

Good point. That be a nice-to-have. But since you can already achieve this indirectly (by setting the custom size), I'd say it's a very low priority nice-to-have.

I admit this is a better way to achieve what you want than adjusting the ratios manually. I apologize for that bad suggestion in my earlier post.

[strikz99]

Kedirekin:

Thanks for the reply. No it doesn't say which file is missing, but it comes up with it almost immediately.

All the files get put to either I:\ or I:\<dvdname>, so it can't be a path issue.

Doing the ISO image is the same remedy I came up with too, so I'll stick with that for now.

My theory is the same as yours thats its something outside of the .ifo file that it expects to find, but DVDDecrypter isn't putting it there. I'm not sure if DVDDecrypter recreates the .ifo file with new information, or if it takes a straight copy from the DVD. Either way theres a mismatch between the two apps.

DVDShrink: Maybe a bugfix/request to have Shrink report "which" file is missing if it is trying to find one.

Thanks,
S.

[Kedirekin]

I:\ is a high drive letter. Is that a network share?

I just tried File/Open on a local ifo, and it opened fine. Then I tried File/Open on an ifo on a network share and got an error dialog similar to what you describe.

[strikz99]

No, I: is a local drive (#3). I'll try the rip on a lower drive later today, maybe its related.

[snidely]

I've been trying to experiment with DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink - first decrypting a DVD (Chicago) with DVDDecrypter, and then trying to load the .ifo files into Shrink - so I can experiment without having to wait for the slow DVD drive.

This will happen if you rip the original using the "movie only" files mode. When you rip in the files mode, you should always rip all the files or you risk running into problems.

BTW, on a side note, I have done some 800 rips using SmartRipper, and that tool has always worked flawlessly for me, but due to the popularity of DVDDecrypter, I decided to start ripping with that program instead. After about 15 rips, I ran into a title which, after ripping, forced the subtitles on by default. Since I never had that problem with SmartRipper, I went back and reripped the title with SmartRipper, and sure enough, the subtitles were no longer forced. The moral, if you ever rip with DVDDecrypter and get forced subtitles, try ripping with SmartRipper instead. :)

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I expect that was due to the 'Remove PUOs' option being checked.

[snidely]

Yes, that is correct! Just out of curiosity, why doesn't the same thing happen if I use IfoEdit to remove the P-UPs?

BTW, other than that, I think your program is quite good. :)

[Mort]

I see that others here use the same method I prefer, to rip with DVD Decrypter in ISO mode, mount in Deamon Tools, and work from there.
The problem I have is that with a lot of DVD's (Stargate SG1/Star Trek Movies etc.- ) DVDShrink does not find the main movie, it shows just part of the DVD, so at the moment I generaly use Nero Recode.
I would prefer to use DVDShrink, so is there anybody who knows if I am doing something wrong (settings?), or if DVDShrink have a problem reading virtual drives right ? (The fact that others use this method with DVDShrink have me thinking that the fault must be mine).

DVDShrink reads the DVD's I mentioned correctly if I use it to read them from the DVD.

[jed]

I posted this message on beta 4 thread and just notice beta 5 is released, is the problem i describe here fix in beta 5?

Pervious post.
Just tried about 10 dvd's using beta 4 instead of 2.3 and out of those 10, 4 didn't work in my external dvd player so i have had to go back to 2.3 which those 4 work fine with. the 4 dvd's are, Die Hard 1 Die Hard 2 Die Hard 3 and Fawlty Towers Season 1. All the die hards just get stuck at the Australia Security warning screen and the Fawlty towers one gets an error reading disk. I used dvd dycrypter to make iso's on the dvd's then used IMG tool to make iso's after using dvd shrink. Any ideas why dvd shrink 3b4 does not work with these dvd's. Will the final release work with these?

[shindsh]

DVDV Shrink 3.0 Beta 5
I get an error while doing a NTSC Interlaced moving. It encodes 38% of the movie and then gives following error:
Programming error - exception occured
The reason is: Unknown


The settings were automatic and was shrinking the main movie (54%).

The partical VOB files created had good quality.

Regards,
Shree

[jwgant]

Originally posted by LIGHTNING UK!
I expect that was due to the 'Remove PUOs' option being checked.

Actually, I don't think DVD-D was at fault; I use lots of different software for different things. I recently made backups of 3 movies using DVD-D to the hard drive, then used DVD Shrink 2.3 to, well... shrink them, then finally used Nero Ultra 6 to burn them to DVD. When I played them, I got subtitles...on all three. So, for the hell of it as I hadn't deleted the files created by decrypter, I fired up old reliable (but painfully slow) InstantCopy 7 and let it do its thing. The copies created worked flawlessly without the susbtitles present. Hence, as the same image was used for Decrypter, the problem as I see it was with Shrink or Nero. Both are awesome programs, but hey...stuff happens, right!?! Just my 2 cents (funny...my wife swears I don't have any sense).:cool:

[natedawg]

I just ripped Donnie Darko and re-encoded (only got rid of the french audio track) and everything seems fine except that the buttons to view deleted scenes show the wrong deleted scene (click the button to view the first deleted scene and it shows you the fifth deleted scene). I can explain this better, but it would probably be way too long. Ultimatley you can reach a point where you see a screen that has buttons that dont work and you have to restart the DVD from the begining.
I viewed this section beforehand on the HD and it worked fine. So DVD shrink did something in the re-encoding. Oddly enough the other menus seem to function just fine.
Let me know if you want me to go into more detail.
I think I'll try comparing the IFO files in IFO edit to see what might have gone wrong....

[geffroman]

Originally posted by quantum
Still steals the IFO file association. Does this every time program is run.

Doesn't do this on my Intel P4 2.23 with XP

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
...you will need to change all the 'auto's to fixed rate, then bump the rate down a very tiny amount on one of the titles/categories.

No, no, no. You simply need to use the custom DVD size feature!

However, I think you would be off maintaining max. video quality and using all the space on a DVD for that, while putting the DVD Rom extras onto a different CD or DVD.

[Kedirekin]

Um, I already apologized for that.

I admit this is a better way to achieve what you want than adjusting the ratios manually. I apologize for that bad suggestion in my earlier post.

[digitalman]

I agree, the arrow keys should be able to be used for setting the compression rate, for a more accurate setting.

[jupiter0713]

I've been using Beta 4 for a few days now - I've noticed something that I cannot explain - I set up a disc copy with the compression ratio that will let everything fit, then I do a Deep Analysis, and the resulting set of files is even SMALLER than the size I have specified by a great deal - for example - I did a join of GoodFellas SideA and B and set it up in beta 3 (2.3 wouldnt work) I got it all setup at 4.2 GB, did the backup using DA, resulting files only totalled 2.5 GB - wat happened there? I cant imagine that chopping off an additional 2GB gave me better quality

anyway, a feature Id like has probably already been mentioned - being able to replace streams with dummy data - even compressing streams down to Still pictures, on some titles still yields a good 300-400 MB result for that stream - Id like to be able to replace it with a "No Item Here" .jpg or .mpg that will only be maybe 2MB - aside from being able to remove a stream comletely, which is already known to be a dead issue at this point, I think that will be really handy.

I find Re-Author mode to be usless to me unless Im willing to ripi the movie to one disc, and then do a full backup of the Menus and features and Extras to another disc with the movie compressed to Still Pictures - Works for me, but still it would be nice to be able to place a "Please Insert Disc One" image in place of the movie.

Another thing I dont know if it could work would be to see if it could be tied with external encoder software (CCE Basic for example) I dont care that it would take longer - I'd love to be able to use Shrink's "EASE-OF-USE" with the quality of CCE - I'd gladly donate a copy of my CCEBasic to you for testing if this could be implemented.

Thanks for the great software DVDShrink!!!! this is truly Backing Up made simple.

[b0b0b0b]

Hi dvdshrink, thanks for your efforts on this kick-butt program!

Usually I let each step of an encoding process either run all night or run all day. Would deep analysis benefit if I told it that instead of just running once, in 1 hr, it could run as many times as it wanted, for 8 hours or even 24 hours?

I'm going to guess that there would be no benefit, but your transcoding algorithm is a black box to me, so I thought I would bring it up.

Thanks again!

[sdionne]

I asked the same thing a few times, but still no answer, so I asume that's not possible with his algorythm :(

but still the results are very good.. maybe in DVDShrink 4.0

[b0b0b0b]

If there is some kind of quality metric inside the engine, I could imagine one way of implementing an iterative approach is by using a pseudo random number generator to pick what might seem to be a suboptimal strategy, kind of like simulated annealing and hoping to escape a local maxima. This way you could make your first run like normal, then on subsequent runs you might be able to improve a spot here and a spot there.

[natedawg]

got my hands on nero recode and tried donnie darko again. recode worked fine as far as the menu buttons not sending me to the right video stream...strange....
Still gotta applaud you on this program. I know how much work these things can be.

[jed]

As i posted in beta 4 forum, did tests last night with beta 5 and it fixed all my probs with die hard, keep up the good work this is a great program.

[Entropy512]

Originally posted by Fat Bast'rd
No, no, no. You simply need to use the custom DVD size feature!

Where's this feature hidden?

I've yet to find anything other than the two presets (4.7 GB and 3.96 GB) in beta 5.

It's a feature I'd really like since I prefer to avoid burning to the very edges of a disc. (I've only had 2 coasters since getting my DVD-R drive, both were problems in the last 50 MB or so of a disc.)