DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 5

[dvdshrink]

DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 5 is now available.

http://www.dvdshrink.org/

The changes are:

Version 3.0 Beta 5 - 16 Aug 2003

Fixed VTS address offsets in TT_SRPT for re-authored disks with more than one title. This will have caused problems with some burning software and may have prevented playback of the second title, depending on player.

[quantum]

Still steals the IFO file association. Does this every time program is run.

[dvdshrink]

OK! It will be fixed in beta 6.

I will have to add code to clean up the registry so the associations don't still point to beta 5.

[AND1]

Can you please incorporate the layer break into beta 6 or if you are already planning it for the 3.0 Final release thanks a lot.

[quantum]

OK! It will be fixed in beta 6.

I will have to add code to clean up the registry so the associations don't still point to beta 5.Is that really necessary? These are clearly labelled as beta's. I'd just fix it in 6 and be done with it, unless the clean up code was very easy to implement.

[JFerguson]

Hey, Shrink.

Can you give us an ETA on Beta 6, so we can determine whether we want to bother giving Beta 5 a go or not.

Just Kidding! ;)

Keep up the good work!

[barfman]

Hi there, sorry for asking a dumb newbie question, I've been using dvdshrink beta3 for the past week or so and I was wondering whether or not the recently discovered bugs would have affected me? All my backups were either movie only, or 'full'/1:1 with no compression. Am I correct in interpreting that the bug only affects reauthor mode where somebody tries to keep various bits and pieces and then apply compression to other bits?

Thanks,
Barf

[dvdshrink]

All bugs fixed since beta 1 have been concerned with re-author mode, EXCEPT for the FF/RW bug which was fixed in beta 4.

The FF/RW bug would have affected any video in any part of the DVD which was set to "automatic" but the engine decided not to compress for that specific part - generally a rare situation. If your backup DVDs are working, then no need to do them again.

[maa]

Any Idea why all Beta versions freeze my Athlon1Giga/AtiRage128/AsusA7V during encoding when Ver 2.3 works perfectly ?

[brush]

Originally posted by maa
Any Idea why all Beta versions freeze my Athlon1Giga/AtiRage128/AsusA7V during encoding when Ver 2.3 works perfectly ?

Because it is BETA VERSIONS :D

I don't really understand your problem
Ive got asus motherboard A7V8X and no freezing when encoding, neither in 2.3 version ,nor in BETAS

[arch_angel16]

Trying to backup DVDs that have one title, but that one is ~2 1/2 hours of video, almost 6GB. I'm wondering how I could use DVDShrink to split the main title into a 2 hour title and another 1/2 hour title, then merge with another DVD title. this possible?

In plain english...

DVD1 - eps 1,2,3,4,5 (1 title)
DVD2 - eps 6,7,8,9,10 (1 title)
DVD3 - eps 11,12,13,14,15 (1 title)
DVD4 - eps 16,17,18,19,20 (1 title)

I wantsa make 4 DVD-Rs

DVDR1 - eps 1,2,3,4
DVDR2 - eps 5,6,7,8
DVDR3 - eps 9,10,11,12
DVDR4 - eps 13,14,15,16
DVDR5 - eps 17,18,19,20

I heard that you can merge DVD titles with DVDShrink...can you also split a title in 2 ?

[samtroy]

dvdshrink,

maybe you could briefly comment here on the layer-break issue since my seperate thread on that matter

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59603

has been closed (for whatever reason)... :confused:

Greets, S.

[luphy]

Arch_Angel16,

Yes you can do both removal of titles and combining of titles from different DVDs using Shrink3. Just use the re-author function.

If you really want to have the menus, you can reduce the titles you want to 'remove' to stills without audio. You obviously won't have any menus when you combine titles from different DVDs.

And a warning to all ver3 beta users/testers. As it is clearly labelled BETA, do not expect any copies you make now to be "perfect". Don't come crying if the time you spent on a backup now is wasted because there was an unknown bug. Since DVDShrink is kind enough to spend his free time making this free program, we could at least do our small part by helping him find the bugs. I myself have not had much problems but thanks to others for helping find the little bugs.

And one last request from others - if you want to post a suggestion, do so - but please read all the other Shrink posts first to see if it's already been mentioned. Repeated request for the same suggestion probably gets annoying. Seeing how responsive the author is to questions, etc. I'm sure he knows about all the feature requests. No need to constantly remind him. And no need to remind him that a certain known bug is still present in a Beta if it's not mentioned in the fix log. And same goes for known feature requests - if it's not mentioned that it's implemented in the fix log - then it's not. Don't keep nagging.

[javierol]

Hi
I have been using 2.3 and have now started using the new Beta5.
I have a question: In Reauthor Mode, even if I am not compressing, just
getting rid of extras, should I be using the Deep Analysis mode? It takes
more time and I can't see what benefit I would have since I am not
compressing, but keeping 100 percent quality.
Also why is an extra chapter added at the end with only 15 cents of a
second? I can remove this chapter index with IFOEDIT but I would like to
know if there is a reason for it to be there or if it is a mini-bug.

Thanks a lot. I love this program.

Javier

[Kedirekin]

Doubt that you need to do deep analysis if the quality is 100%. After all, you can't get better quality that 100%, and deep analysis is there to improve quality.

On the other hand, even with deep analysis, backups are pretty darn fast.

The 0.15 second chapter is probably just so you can skip to the end. That's a pretty common tactic used in DVDs. Are you sure that 0.15 second chapter isn't there in the original? It really is very common, and in my opinion simply good practice.

[sdionne]

there is something missing in DVDShrink. I use the beta5 to rip LOTR 1 Extended Version CD1.

There is a lot of folders and files :

AUDIO_TS
AUTORUN.INF
common
disc.id
install.exe
JACKET_P
README.TXT
test.log
VIDEO_TS
vssver.scc
win

DVDShrink, only ripped the VIDEO_TS folder.... Recode, is able to create them all.

I'll want to make a full copy of the DVD.

[Kedirekin]

There is nothing missing. DVDShrink only deals with the video.

If you want to includes the extraneous files on your backup, first make sure that DVDShrink leaves enough free space for the files. If your extraneous files are less than 15 MB, there'll probably be enough free space by default. If they're larger, you will need to change all the 'auto's to fixed rate, then bump the rate down a very tiny amount on one of the titles/categories.

Then, when DVDShrink is done, simply copy the extraneous files yourself from the DVD. You can do this in Windows Explorer. There's nothing magical about these extraneous files. They're just regular files.

[papillon]

sdionne
I can understand wanting the JACKET_P folder, as for anything else..?
But if you must have them on your disk, just drag & drop them to your burn folder.

[The eDealer]

Sorry, but i think there are 2 Bugs in the Beta 5:

1. I made a re-author version from 2 DVDs as a test and there is the VIDEO_TS folder missing. The AUDIO_TS is made but all the files are in the selected folder?! e.g. i selekted "C:\Test" as the destination, then i have all the files in Test and the empty folder AUDIO_TS.

2. when i use the deep analysis function (with the transcoding or befor) i get an message, that the files are CSS protected and the transcoding stoped. When i only use the standard analysis every thing is fine.

a suggestion:
it would be nice to support the "arrows" as a fine trigger for the ratio selection.

[Kedirekin]

1. DVDShrink doesn't create a VIDEO_TS folder for you - at least no prior version ever has. If you want the results of transcoding to be in a VIDEO_TS folder, create a VIDEO_TS folder and set your destination to that (C:\temp\VIDEO_TS, for example).

I don't know where the AUDIO_TS folder is coming from. DVDShrink has never created an AUDIO_TS folder in my experience.

2. Have you experienced this with several DVDs, or just one? Are there any really small VOB files on the DVD? Some (most?) rippers have problems decrypting really small files because there isn't enough data to support a brute-force key discovery.

Precision adjustment would be a nice-to-have, but only that - nice-to-have. You can achieve pretty fine adjustment even now if you use your mouse carefully (adjustments in approx 8 MB jumps IIRC, which is very fine adjustment indeed).

[The eDealer]

1 - OK, i think i can live with that. Your right! It was the rest of an DVDFab Test, sorry.
2 - I tested it with 4 DVDs, all the same: short analysis is OK deep analysis i got the message. All standard DVDs and no Problem for the Decrypter! When i use the decrypted Version from the HD, also the deep analysis is OK.
3 - I meen fine!! I tuned the targed size up to 4480 to use every MB! 8MB is fine but i thought my mouse is nervouse. This could be better ?!

[JFerguson]

Shrink, I just posted another bug (Beta 5) related to the "Automatic / 100%" setting in the DVD Shrink Beta 3 bug report thread.

Have a look if you get a chance - thanks...

[sdionne]

I'm trying to backup LOTR 1 Extended version Disc2... I can do below 43%.. and the extra is a preview for LOTR2... I remove it.. but It's not enough.. still missing space...

it could be cool to be able to choose our ratio..

[Kedirekin]

Good Golly! How big are these extraneous files on LOTR1?

In my experience, the extraneous (non-video) files are rarely over 200 MB, and they're usually only that big when there is a game preview on the disk. If there is no game demo, it should be under 50 MB.

This is a stupid question, but you're not trying to copy the VIDEO_TS folder from the original DVD, are you? The files in the VIDEO_TS folder are the ones that DVDShrink shrank, so you don't need to copy those.

You can choose your ratio, within limits. You can not go beyond the maximum compression ratio, and you can't go above 100% ;) .

And I don't believe the maximum is imposed by DVDShrink at whim. I believe the maximum corresponds to increasing the quantization of the stream as far as it can go. Try this - shrink a DVD with DVDShrink, then open the shrunken DVD in DVDShrink. You'll see that the maximum compression ratio for the shrunken DVD is higher than that for the original. That's because the quantization in the shrunken version is higher than the original, so there's less room to increase the quantization.

If you can't get enough room for the extraneous files no matter how you try, consider burning them to a CDR. Like I said, there's nothing magical about these files. They'll work just as well from a CDR as they will from a DVDR.

[strikz99]

I've been trying to experiment with DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink - first decrypting a DVD (Chicago) with DVDDecrypter, and then trying to load the .ifo files into Shrink - so I can experiment without having to wait for the slow DVD drive.

My problem is that DVDShrink comes back saying "File not found" - even though the .ifo file is definitly in place. I'm selecting "Open Files", and I'm using beta 5. I've also tried using SmartRipper as the ripping tool, but get the same thing in Shrink.

I've tried switching off decryption in DVDDecryter, but still get the same. I know that obviously DVDShrink doesn't "support" DVDDecrypter, but wondered if anyone knew what is going on.

S.

[Kedirekin]

No idea why DVDShrink is saying 'file not found'. Perhaps its a path issue. Try moving all the files to C:\chig (or C:\chig\VIDEO_TS) to eliminate all possibilities of 'long filename' and 'space in path' issues. I don't think it'll fix it, but it's a simple thing to try.

Also, is it telling you which file is not found? When you used file mode, did you copy all the files? Perhaps it's finding the ifo just fine, but not finding something else that it is expecting to be there.

FYI: I always rip my DVDs with DVDDecrytor in ISO mode, mount them with daemon tools, then do DVDShrink from the mounted ISO. This gives maxmimum compatibility without the slowness of (or wear on) the DVD drive.

[sdionne]

There is a feature who can be add the DVDShrink. Be able to specified a Free Space Buffer.

ex: I want a 4.5 DVD with 300 megs free. It' like saying that I want a custom size of 4.2gigs... but It's easier to stay with the default size, and just specified the free space.


That's really usefull, when you want to add stuff in the DVDR after ripping it.

[Kedirekin]

Good point. That be a nice-to-have. But since you can already achieve this indirectly (by setting the custom size), I'd say it's a very low priority nice-to-have.

I admit this is a better way to achieve what you want than adjusting the ratios manually. I apologize for that bad suggestion in my earlier post.

[strikz99]

Kedirekin:

Thanks for the reply. No it doesn't say which file is missing, but it comes up with it almost immediately.

All the files get put to either I:\ or I:\<dvdname>, so it can't be a path issue.

Doing the ISO image is the same remedy I came up with too, so I'll stick with that for now.

My theory is the same as yours thats its something outside of the .ifo file that it expects to find, but DVDDecrypter isn't putting it there. I'm not sure if DVDDecrypter recreates the .ifo file with new information, or if it takes a straight copy from the DVD. Either way theres a mismatch between the two apps.

DVDShrink: Maybe a bugfix/request to have Shrink report "which" file is missing if it is trying to find one.

Thanks,
S.

[Kedirekin]

I:\ is a high drive letter. Is that a network share?

I just tried File/Open on a local ifo, and it opened fine. Then I tried File/Open on an ifo on a network share and got an error dialog similar to what you describe.

[strikz99]

No, I: is a local drive (#3). I'll try the rip on a lower drive later today, maybe its related.

[snidely]

I've been trying to experiment with DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink - first decrypting a DVD (Chicago) with DVDDecrypter, and then trying to load the .ifo files into Shrink - so I can experiment without having to wait for the slow DVD drive.

This will happen if you rip the original using the "movie only" files mode. When you rip in the files mode, you should always rip all the files or you risk running into problems.

BTW, on a side note, I have done some 800 rips using SmartRipper, and that tool has always worked flawlessly for me, but due to the popularity of DVDDecrypter, I decided to start ripping with that program instead. After about 15 rips, I ran into a title which, after ripping, forced the subtitles on by default. Since I never had that problem with SmartRipper, I went back and reripped the title with SmartRipper, and sure enough, the subtitles were no longer forced. The moral, if you ever rip with DVDDecrypter and get forced subtitles, try ripping with SmartRipper instead. :)

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I expect that was due to the 'Remove PUOs' option being checked.

[snidely]

Yes, that is correct! Just out of curiosity, why doesn't the same thing happen if I use IfoEdit to remove the P-UPs?

BTW, other than that, I think your program is quite good. :)

[Mort]

I see that others here use the same method I prefer, to rip with DVD Decrypter in ISO mode, mount in Deamon Tools, and work from there.
The problem I have is that with a lot of DVD's (Stargate SG1/Star Trek Movies etc.- ) DVDShrink does not find the main movie, it shows just part of the DVD, so at the moment I generaly use Nero Recode.
I would prefer to use DVDShrink, so is there anybody who knows if I am doing something wrong (settings?), or if DVDShrink have a problem reading virtual drives right ? (The fact that others use this method with DVDShrink have me thinking that the fault must be mine).

DVDShrink reads the DVD's I mentioned correctly if I use it to read them from the DVD.

[jed]

I posted this message on beta 4 thread and just notice beta 5 is released, is the problem i describe here fix in beta 5?

Pervious post.
Just tried about 10 dvd's using beta 4 instead of 2.3 and out of those 10, 4 didn't work in my external dvd player so i have had to go back to 2.3 which those 4 work fine with. the 4 dvd's are, Die Hard 1 Die Hard 2 Die Hard 3 and Fawlty Towers Season 1. All the die hards just get stuck at the Australia Security warning screen and the Fawlty towers one gets an error reading disk. I used dvd dycrypter to make iso's on the dvd's then used IMG tool to make iso's after using dvd shrink. Any ideas why dvd shrink 3b4 does not work with these dvd's. Will the final release work with these?

[shindsh]

DVDV Shrink 3.0 Beta 5
I get an error while doing a NTSC Interlaced moving. It encodes 38% of the movie and then gives following error:
Programming error - exception occured
The reason is: Unknown


The settings were automatic and was shrinking the main movie (54%).

The partical VOB files created had good quality.

Regards,
Shree

[jwgant]

Originally posted by LIGHTNING UK!
I expect that was due to the 'Remove PUOs' option being checked.

Actually, I don't think DVD-D was at fault; I use lots of different software for different things. I recently made backups of 3 movies using DVD-D to the hard drive, then used DVD Shrink 2.3 to, well... shrink them, then finally used Nero Ultra 6 to burn them to DVD. When I played them, I got subtitles...on all three. So, for the hell of it as I hadn't deleted the files created by decrypter, I fired up old reliable (but painfully slow) InstantCopy 7 and let it do its thing. The copies created worked flawlessly without the susbtitles present. Hence, as the same image was used for Decrypter, the problem as I see it was with Shrink or Nero. Both are awesome programs, but hey...stuff happens, right!?! Just my 2 cents (funny...my wife swears I don't have any sense).:cool:

[natedawg]

I just ripped Donnie Darko and re-encoded (only got rid of the french audio track) and everything seems fine except that the buttons to view deleted scenes show the wrong deleted scene (click the button to view the first deleted scene and it shows you the fifth deleted scene). I can explain this better, but it would probably be way too long. Ultimatley you can reach a point where you see a screen that has buttons that dont work and you have to restart the DVD from the begining.
I viewed this section beforehand on the HD and it worked fine. So DVD shrink did something in the re-encoding. Oddly enough the other menus seem to function just fine.
Let me know if you want me to go into more detail.
I think I'll try comparing the IFO files in IFO edit to see what might have gone wrong....

[geffroman]

Originally posted by quantum
Still steals the IFO file association. Does this every time program is run.

Doesn't do this on my Intel P4 2.23 with XP

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
...you will need to change all the 'auto's to fixed rate, then bump the rate down a very tiny amount on one of the titles/categories.

No, no, no. You simply need to use the custom DVD size feature!

However, I think you would be off maintaining max. video quality and using all the space on a DVD for that, while putting the DVD Rom extras onto a different CD or DVD.

[Kedirekin]

Um, I already apologized for that.

I admit this is a better way to achieve what you want than adjusting the ratios manually. I apologize for that bad suggestion in my earlier post.

[digitalman]

I agree, the arrow keys should be able to be used for setting the compression rate, for a more accurate setting.

[jupiter0713]

I've been using Beta 4 for a few days now - I've noticed something that I cannot explain - I set up a disc copy with the compression ratio that will let everything fit, then I do a Deep Analysis, and the resulting set of files is even SMALLER than the size I have specified by a great deal - for example - I did a join of GoodFellas SideA and B and set it up in beta 3 (2.3 wouldnt work) I got it all setup at 4.2 GB, did the backup using DA, resulting files only totalled 2.5 GB - wat happened there? I cant imagine that chopping off an additional 2GB gave me better quality

anyway, a feature Id like has probably already been mentioned - being able to replace streams with dummy data - even compressing streams down to Still pictures, on some titles still yields a good 300-400 MB result for that stream - Id like to be able to replace it with a "No Item Here" .jpg or .mpg that will only be maybe 2MB - aside from being able to remove a stream comletely, which is already known to be a dead issue at this point, I think that will be really handy.

I find Re-Author mode to be usless to me unless Im willing to ripi the movie to one disc, and then do a full backup of the Menus and features and Extras to another disc with the movie compressed to Still Pictures - Works for me, but still it would be nice to be able to place a "Please Insert Disc One" image in place of the movie.

Another thing I dont know if it could work would be to see if it could be tied with external encoder software (CCE Basic for example) I dont care that it would take longer - I'd love to be able to use Shrink's "EASE-OF-USE" with the quality of CCE - I'd gladly donate a copy of my CCEBasic to you for testing if this could be implemented.

Thanks for the great software DVDShrink!!!! this is truly Backing Up made simple.

[b0b0b0b]

Hi dvdshrink, thanks for your efforts on this kick-butt program!

Usually I let each step of an encoding process either run all night or run all day. Would deep analysis benefit if I told it that instead of just running once, in 1 hr, it could run as many times as it wanted, for 8 hours or even 24 hours?

I'm going to guess that there would be no benefit, but your transcoding algorithm is a black box to me, so I thought I would bring it up.

Thanks again!

[sdionne]

I asked the same thing a few times, but still no answer, so I asume that's not possible with his algorythm :(

but still the results are very good.. maybe in DVDShrink 4.0

[b0b0b0b]

If there is some kind of quality metric inside the engine, I could imagine one way of implementing an iterative approach is by using a pseudo random number generator to pick what might seem to be a suboptimal strategy, kind of like simulated annealing and hoping to escape a local maxima. This way you could make your first run like normal, then on subsequent runs you might be able to improve a spot here and a spot there.

[natedawg]

got my hands on nero recode and tried donnie darko again. recode worked fine as far as the menu buttons not sending me to the right video stream...strange....
Still gotta applaud you on this program. I know how much work these things can be.

[jed]

As i posted in beta 4 forum, did tests last night with beta 5 and it fixed all my probs with die hard, keep up the good work this is a great program.

[Entropy512]

Originally posted by Fat Bast'rd
No, no, no. You simply need to use the custom DVD size feature!

Where's this feature hidden?

I've yet to find anything other than the two presets (4.7 GB and 3.96 GB) in beta 5.

It's a feature I'd really like since I prefer to avoid burning to the very edges of a disc. (I've only had 2 coasters since getting my DVD-R drive, both were problems in the last 50 MB or so of a disc.)

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by Entropy512
Where's this feature hidden?

I've yet to find anything other than the two presets (4.7 GB and 3.96 GB) in beta 5.

'Custom' isn't only a means of paying duty, he says sarcastically.

[daddy_fizz]

edit--->preferences---->target dvd size---->click on little box and go down to custom-----> type in the size for your dvd you want on the right

~Fizz

[Entropy512]

Originally posted by daddy_fizz
edit--->preferences---->target dvd size---->click on little box and go down to custom-----> type in the size for your dvd you want on the right

~Fizz
Thank you, I'll try that tonight.

[jed]

Don't know if this is a problem but using beta 5 reauthings Cliff Hanger on the extra's (And the main movie) it says compression is 58% on auto and also 58% on ratio and i can't change the ratio down so i have to put the extra's on still 12% so it will fit. Any ideas why i can't get the ratio lower than 58%?

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by jed
Don't know if this is a problem but using beta 5 reauthings Cliff Hanger on the extra's (And the main movie) it says compression is 58% on auto and also 58% on ratio and i can't change the ratio down so i have to put the extra's on still 12% so it will fit. Any ideas why i can't get the ratio lower than 58%?

Your mouse doesn't work properly?!?

[Kedirekin]

In DVDShrink, every video stream has a maximum compressibility. It's just part and parcel of the algorythm DVDShrink uses (I think).

The maximum compressibility varies from one video stream to another, most likely based on the original quality of the video. High quality video (with little quantization) can be compressed a lot. Low quality video (with lots of quantization) cannot.

I'd say your extras are already compressed a lot, so your maximum compressibility is 58% (which is rather high).

[jed]

What do u mean my mouse doesn't work properly, the ratio tab does not go lower than 58% if phsicaly can't go lower than that and i was wondering if this is a fault with beta v5

[jed]

Thanks Kedirekin, i thought this might be the case rather than a fault. Normaly i compress the extras and menu and much as i can without going to still pictures so i can still watch them and have little as posible compression on the main movie. because i couldn't compress the extras more than 58% on cliffhanger it ment i had to compress the movie much more. What do u do to your movies?

[Kedirekin]

I've been relatively luck so far. For most of the few disks which DVDShrink couldn't compress nicely, I've been able to remove an audio track or two. That improves quality significantly.

Sometimes there is no solution. If I can't get something I can live with using DVDShrink, I consider splitting the DVD to two disks or re-authoring using DIF4U/DOCCE4U/REAUTHORIST.

DVDShrink has improved to the point where it's nearly as good as the re-authoring route (ever see extras at 1850 bitrate - yuck!), so for me re-authoring will become less and less common (besides, it's a lot of work, even with the tools).

And in the end, there are some disks I'll just give up on. At some point I have to admit to myself that it just isn't worth the effort. I value my time highly enough that, if the original gets damaged, it'd be cheaper for me to just buy a replacement.

[atreides93]

Hey guys,
where does DVdShrink store all the analysis data??

just wondering if i should delete it once in a while so it doesn't fill up the drive.

[nyplayer]

C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Application Data\DVD Shrink 3.0
Make sure you choose to see hidden files.

[jed]

how much space does the average dvd take up, should people even worry about these files?

[LakersFan]

Originally posted by jed
how much space does the average dvd take up, should people even worry about these files?

They aren't too big... My biggest was only 172KB...

No need to worry!

-LF

[krackato]

I've decided to use DVDshrink as my backup to Instant Copy. I was wondering if version 3.0 beta 5 still allowed for the option to chop off the credits like previous versions did. There seems to be a Start/End button which can't be pressed for some reason at the top of the bar.

[ghaynes]

krackato,

There seems to be a Start/End button which can't be pressed for some reason at the top of the bar.

Trimming the movie can only be done when you Re-Author

[willydee]

Tried the 3.0 beta 5 yesterday. But the result after re-authoring (main movie only, light compression, around 88 percent) contains some artifacts during the whole movie I never saw with 2.3, which I used for a while. (I didn't use the "Deep Anaysis" switch)
Example at http://www.service-place.de/temp/snap.jpg
Anyone else seen such things?

[daddy_fizz]

thats very wierd, never seen it do anything like that in any of the movies i have done...

i would use deep analysis just to be safe and see if it is any better

~Fizz

[brush]

Originally posted by willydee
Tried the 3.0 beta 5 yesterday. But the result after re-authoring (main movie only, light compression, around 88 percent) contains some artifacts during the whole movie I never saw with 2.3, which I used for a while. (I didn't use the "Deep Anaysis" switch)
Example at http://www.service-place.de/temp/snap.jpg
Anyone else seen such things?

I have never seen anything like that :D

[willydee]

I saw similar artifacts in DivX-encoded movies when some failure happened during the burn process (verify failed). But the snapshot was taken from the re-authored harddisk folder before burning to disk, so it's not burner or media related.

hmmm :confused:

[jupiter0713]

I am trying to Shrink the join of the JFK flipper - I followed SirScrub's instructions ( on http://www.sirscrub.com/start.htm ) on joining a multi disc movie and it plays fine on my software player - now I need DVDShrink to shrink it into DVDR5 size - problem is, both beta 4 and beta 5 start analyzing it and get to about 97% and then say:

====================================
DVDShrink encountered an error and cannot continue. The error is:

Failed to open file.

The Reason is: Unknown
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so what do I do about this? I dont want to use DVD2One - already went that route and the resulting video looks absolutely disgusting - I want to Shrink this but I cant get any version of Shrink to open it....Even tried 2.3 but it craps out halfway through the initial analysis

any suggestions?

Thanks

[Kedirekin]

@willydee

As you say, that artifact looks like a corruption in the video stream (like you'd see in a bad burn). I used to see stuff like this when I made SVCDs at too high a burn speed (stand-alone couldn't read them reliably, though they looked fine played on my PC).

You say these artifacts are in the output of DVDShrink on your hard drive. Have you checked the source rip that you encoded from to make sure it's okay?

[willydee]

@ Kedirekin,

unfortunately the original files were deleted in the mean time (neither have the time to watch every movie completely after re-authoring nor the disk space to keep every source file until I find the time to watch a movie ;) I'll have a look at the original DVD as soon as I meet the friend I got it from.

I'll keep my eyes open.
WillyDee

[jed]

I don't know if this is a problem with beta 5 but when i backed up Swar Wars Episode 1 it worked in my dvd-rom but does not work in my external toshiba dvd player. I used 2.3 to back it up after this and it worked fine in both players. Will this problem be fixed in beta 6 so i can use version 3 to back up star wars episode 1?

[geffroman]

Originally posted by willydee
[B I'll have a look at the original DVD as soon as I meet the friend I got it from.
[/B]

I am assuming you backed up your friends DVD for him, right ? Because no one here would ever be making posts about making illegal copies for themselves. We wouldn't want people to think that this group condoned that kind of thing.

Sometimes less is more! Much more.

Regards :D

[kazan]

Hello shrink

i like this tool very much :p

i got only 1 wich and that is shrink plug-in with the Cinema Craft Encoder CCE is this poseble in the new Shrink version ???????


Keep Up The Good Work !!!!!!

:D

[brush]

Originally posted by kazan
i got only 1 wich and that is shrink plug-in with the Cinema Craft Encoder CCE is this poseble in the new Shrink version ???????
:D [/B]

I think you must be dreaming :D
I don't think, mr shrink plans to integrate CCE in the future versions, I think it is not the purpose

Softwares like DVD2DVDR do already the job :p

[geffroman]

Originally posted by brush
I think you must be dreaming :D
I don't think, mr shrink plans to integrate CCE in the future versions, I think it is not the purpose

Softwares like DVD2DVDR do already the job :p
I don't know if it's reasonable to do or not... But if it was done it would make SHRINK the number ONE program... It would get far more people interested in CCE... and it would OBSOLETE InstantCopy completely...

It is a nice dream and would make SHRINK more valuable and more sought after than any other automated solution... :D

[daddy_fizz]

did you guys read that post about free pie? maybe you should.

[Kedirekin]

There are technical reasons that the one-click solutions will probably never leverage CCE.

The strength of the transcoders is that the structure of the video stream doesn't change. The output stream has exactly the same number of frames as the source, all the I frames are in the same places, and all the stream flags are unchanged. This is what makes it possible to substitute the shrunken stream for the original stream.

If you recompress with CCE (which requires a (virtual) conversion to AVI, and thus loss of all the information about the source stream), there's an unaviodable change in the structure, which means you can't simply substitute the CCE video stream for the original.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
which means you can't simply substitute the CCE video stream for the original.

Hey, thanks for the great info... Nice to understand what's really going on in the process... :D

[jupiter0713]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
@willydee

As you say, that artifact looks like a corruption in the video stream (like you'd see in a bad burn). I used to see stuff like this when I made SVCDs at too high a burn speed (stand-alone couldn't read them reliably, though they looked fine played on my PC).

You say these artifacts are in the output of DVDShrink on your hard drive. Have you checked the source rip that you encoded from to make sure it's okay?

Yes I have- actually my procedure was just as it stated in the guide by SirScrub - I created an ISO on my drive of both sides of JFK, used DVDSHrink to process both sides separately with no compression, then used VOBEdit to join the 2 sides

Ultimately, I wound up using DVD2One, to run another clip at 100% of the original and then used DVDShrink to compress that rip into a DVDR-5 - THAT wound up working - but DVDShrink beta 4 and 5 seems to have a few quirks about reading joined streams run through VOBEdit - same thing happened with my Join of Goodfellas - which I got to work using the abpve method as well.

[asd343]

Hi

Why is it that its not possible to go lover than sometimes about 50% in the Ratio option ? ... i mean, some people would like to make the main movie 100% and then just make the extras as low as nessecery ... but I have to compress the extras to 50% first, and then start over and compress again, to make it fit on a disc ...

/Morten

[insertdisk]

@asd343 - read the post by Kedireken on page 3 of this very thread and you will find the answer to your question

[GParent]

Gangs of New York is Split across two DVDs. Disc 2 has a higher average bit rate than Disc 1.

NOTE: I first did the long ANALYSIS followed by a BACKUP.

When you join the two halves and run it through DVD Shrink 3 Beta 5, does the BACKUP redistribute the bit rate FAIRLY so that every unit of time has the same average bitrate, or does it just reduce the bitrate a fixed percentage and not care that the second half of the movie had been originally encoded with a higher bitrate.

[OperatorS]

first off: great program. many thanks and praise goes to you for working on such a cool program

my question, or comment, or better yet, suggestion is this:
why isnt it possible to downsample stuff past %50% ?

for instance, i would want to rip a dvd with all menus, and full movie, but maybe no extras.. but i want the menus. sure i can set it to slideshow but sometimes 2gigs of extras still equals 500mb of slideshow..

so if only there was a way to
a. remove certain extras/vobs/streams/etc
b. compress certain extras/vobs/streams to lower than %50
that would be cool. i know the new dvdshrink lets you pick which stream you want to set to what %% and thats great but im hoping for the ability to completely remove certain streams, or maybe just set them to 1 frame or something (to save on ifo editing).

just a suggestion ;)

[willydee]

@Kedirekin

It happened again. A stream error in the middle of the movie, and this time I'm sure it's not in the source material (proof at http://www.service-place.de/temp/clean.jpg and http://www.service-place.de/temp/distorted.jpg).

Again it was just a slight recompression of around 95 percent (and stripping of unwanted tracks). And it wasn't a joined 2 disk movie but a single stream copy.

I think I'll stay with 2.3 for the next time.

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
There are technical reasons that the one-click solutions will probably never leverage CCE.

The strength of the transcoders is that the structure of the video stream doesn't change. The output stream has exactly the same number of frames as the source, all the I frames are in the same places, and all the stream flags are unchanged. This is what makes it possible to substitute the shrunken stream for the original stream.

If you recompress with CCE (which requires a (virtual) conversion to AVI, and thus loss of all the information about the source stream), there's an unaviodable change in the structure, which means you can't simply substitute the CCE video stream for the original.

Good point. And sometimes it just doesn't get done right, and you get audio/video synch problems...

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by jupiter0713

Ultimately, I wound up using DVD2One, to run another clip at 100% of the original and then used DVDShrink to compress that rip into a DVDR-5 - THAT wound up working - but DVDShrink beta 4 and 5 seems to have a few quirks about reading joined streams run through VOBEdit - same thing happened with my Join of Goodfellas - which I got to work using the abpve method as well.

That error you got while trying to read into DVD Shrink sounds like an IFO structure problem. Perhaps DVD2One is little more forgiving with these.

I'll be trying what you did with Gangs of New York sometime soon. I'll see if I have any issues...

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by willydee
@Kedirekin

It happened again. A stream error in the middle of the movie, and this time I'm sure it's not in the source material (proof at http://www.service-place.de/temp/clean.jpg and http://www.service-place.de/temp/distorted.jpg).

Again it was just a slight recompression of around 95 percent (and stripping of unwanted tracks). And it wasn't a joined 2 disk movie but a single stream copy.

I think I'll stay with 2.3 for the next time.

WillyDee, are you working PAL movies? How many times has this happened out of how many movies?

[willydee]

@JFerguson

Yes, those are PAL movies. I converted eight DVDs with DS3.0, and I noticed the artifacts in three movies until now. I hadn't the time to watch them all completely. Two of the movies were re-authored without re-compression, just stripping of audio tracks; I asssume them to be error free.

[JFerguson]

willydee...

That's a little unnerving... almost 40% failure rate.

I've easily done a dozen (NTSC) on b5...all clean. Just finishing one today which is my first with main movie at No Compression -- I'll have to check it out.

Make sure, for No Compression, that you have selected "No Compression", and not "Automatic" @ 100%. There is a bug in v3 (all betas) where Automatic @ 100% will hammer various frames in your transcode.

[willydee]

Originally posted by JFerguson

That's a little unnerving... almost 40% failure rate.

Make sure, for No Compression, that you have selected "No Compression", and not "Automatic" @ 100%. There is a bug in v3 (all betas) where Automatic @ 100% will hammer various frames in your transcode.

50% failure ... watched another one yesterday, distortions everywhere :(

For the "Automatic @ 100%" bug ... okay, I'll watch out for it (although I'm pretty sure I did set it to "No compression" when it was possible.

[molman2003]

Personally, I have never had a problem backing up any of my DVDs using beta 3.

The automatic compression is fine for about 90% of discs.
The other 10%, Fellowship 4 disc edition for example, needs shrinking that little bit further. But I have had managed it with no noticable pixelling, even on my 28" widescreen TV.

Any chance of posting the titles you have had probs with.

Steve

[JFerguson]

molman2003...

Automatic compression is probably fine most of the time. However, there is a defective difference between Automatic compression at 100% versus No compression.

I would expect DVD Shrink not to touch content with either of the above settings. I tested it though (and documented it in the DVD Shrink bug thread), and Automatic @ 100% did something ugly to some frames in the test. No compression didn't touch them at all.

Just a warning...

[Snollygoster]

I don't know if this bug was mentioned before.

If I try to do an on-the-fly backup (no reauthor), sometime during the encoding process (not the analysis), I get a crash with an unknown error.

If I rip the whole DVD to the disc and then try the exact same procedure everything works smoothly.

Anyone has any idea of what's going on?

PS: I used to get the same error with DVD Shring 2.3. I used my Pioneer 120 DVD-Rom. The weird thing is that the operation was completed succesfuly when I used my Pioneer DVR-105 drive. Now I bought a Pioneer 120S (the slot-in drive) and I get the error again.

[Snollygoster]

Another question completely different than my previous one:

If in full-disc backup procedure, I remove some soundtracks or subtitles, what's gonna happen if I select those in the menus while playing the disc? Will the DVD crash? Are these dead-links?

Can I remove the selections from the menus in DVD-Shrink?

[molman2003]

Possible error for on the fly is if you have 2 cd/dvd drives connected to the same IDE port.

You cannot physically remove the items from the menu, they become dead links.

better still, use the beta 5 version and it will auto compress everything to fit on 1 disc. This works in 90-95% of all films I have tried.

See above post.


Steve

[capt_chaos601103me9ff]

Has n e 1 else come across the problem of another dvd shrink window opening when u click on re-author. I downloaded it twice in case of corruption in d/load still same. N e help appreciated. Thanx

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by Snollygoster
If in full-disc backup procedure, I remove some soundtracks or subtitles, what's gonna happen if I select those in the menus while playing the disc? Will the DVD crash? Are these dead-links?

At the risk of sounding sarcastic, isn't the easiest way to find out to simply try it yourself???

But the answer is nothing happens. You can select those subtitles/audio tracks as normal, but they don't play.


Can I remove the selections from the menus in DVD-Shrink?

'Fraid not. Use MenuEdit for that. http://menuedit.dimad.net/home.html

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by capt_chaos601103me9ff
Has n e 1 else come across the problem of another dvd shrink window opening when u click on re-author. I downloaded it twice in case of corruption in d/load still same. N e help appreciated. Thanx

Go away and read the instructions. It's normal!

[atreides93]

Its a wonder that the author keeps making updates to this software with some of the responses I've seen in here...

DvdShrink. thaks!! your program rocks

[capt_chaos601103me9ff]

Ok let me re-phrase my last request for help. Once a disk is opened and re-author is clicked a new start window appears ie: you have to re-open disk before re-author is available. I previously had ver2.3 and that opened a drag & drop window ver3b5 doesn't open this window. You can indefinitely open disk, click re-author, open disk and so on.
Ta!

[The eDealer]

Please use the search !
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59761

[capt_chaos601103me9ff]

Thanx mr e-Dealer I just assumed that re-author would work similar to that in v2.3. For some reason I cannot open help files in the v3b5 prog. Thanx again loads

[daehkcid]

Hello,

Is 66% compression too low? I know CCE should be used, but i dont have time to learn CCE.

Would 66% look really bad?

Im backing up There's Something About Mary.

[Kedirekin]

DVDShrink is pretty fast. You can try 66% and see if you like the results. For me, even 60% often produces very good results.

In truth, I think it largely depends on the source, and I don't think the percentage is a terribly good gauge of final quality. I think the difference between the maximum compressibility and the ratio is a better guage.

In other words, click the ratio radio button and see how much of a bar you have. If the ratio is very close to maximum compression (very little bar showing), final quality will probably suck. If you have 1/3 or more bar, chances are the quality will be quite good. [remember to set it back to automatic after you've looked].

[Dazz285]

Hi guys,
Having a small problems with dvdshrink 3.0 Beta 5 have looked for some answers but can't seem to find anything.
The problem is that when I click on open disc it starts to analyze it and then stays at 0% then stops responding....
Im using xp home with a 2gig Athlon chip and 512mb on board..
Can any one shed some light on this problem of mine?.
Cheers
Dazz285

[luphy]

If I may make one point/request. When you mention 'compression percentages' - please clarify that it really is the 'compression' and not the 'quality'. Since ver3, the percentage has been reversed. 66% as reported by the program would mean that the movie is compressed 34%. If the program reports 34% 'quality', then that is 66% compression.

For really big movies, you can try the new DVD2DVD - check MrBass's site for a tutorial. It looks really easy but does require other software. I would give it a try if my hardware were up to it but it's not. CCE, Scenarist.

In any case I just backed up a movie with 55% quality (45% compression) and it looked good in my eyes.


And Dazz285, does the program hang or report any error messages? I run my beta5 on Home XP Pentium 4-M with 512mb RAM without any problems. I'm guessing it's software conflict. You can try to rip the movie to the HD using DVDDecrypter or SmartRipper and try from there. Btw, try giving more info about the movie, etc.

[lrosado]

Is it me or does DVD Shrink hog 99% CPU. My system becomes very hot, practically up to the limit right before my software alerts me that the system is getting too hot. Any Ideas or could it be My cooling system. I have 2 case fans plus CPU Fan of coarse.

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by lrosado
Any Ideas or could it be My cooling system. I have 2 case fans plus CPU Fan of coarse.

Get a more effective CPU fan.

Any CPU should be able to run 100% continuously without ever overheating (as long as you haven't overclocked it, of course).

If you bought the PC whole from a shop (as opposed to you building it yourself), then take it back and tell them it's not fit for its purpose, and demand that they install a fan & heatsink that is suitable for the CPU.

If you built it yourself, then I'd suggest here, www.overclock.co.uk (for UK), or www.quietpc.com (for worldwide), or http://www.below-0.net (for Oz), or www.case-mod.com (for US).

[Yannis]

OVERHEATING !:D :D :D

I haven't heard this for a long time... But as FB said, it should not happen. Most likely the person who attached the fan on the CPU did not make sure the heatsink *touches* the CPU top. Or the fan does not spin at the right speed. Or the heat alert mechanism is giving fault positives... Even overclocked AMD (such as mine) can work at 99% for days/ever with no problem... ( albeit my feet get too warm from the hot breeze under the desk :D:D:D )

[dwflo]

Hey Y'all

Ripped a dozen movies with good results, so far. :p
Played them on my Pioneer standalone and the video was better than I expected. Could not tell the difference, from my point of view.
Most were compressed 48% to 55%.
Those that I re-authored had no problems that I have found.
Just waiting for the final release to come out. :rolleyes:
Do not use anything but DVD Shrink, for all my backups.
Thanks Dude for a wonderful piece of work. If you ever accept donations, I would be happy to give.:D

dwf

[Richk50]

"Is it me or does DVD Shrink hog 99% CPU. My system becomes very hot, practically up to the limit right before my software alerts me that the system is getting too hot. Any Ideas or could it be My cooling system. I have 2 case fans plus CPU Fan of coarse."

It's your system. No way you should be overheating. I leave my system on all the time. Used Shrink countless times and never overheated.

[Sbofen]

Originally posted by lrosado
Is it me or does DVD Shrink hog 99% CPU.

It would be nice, however, for DVDShrink to put in a process priority level selection in the options part of the program

[JoeB]

Here's an interesting bug I found..

When you use DVDShrink (beta 5 is the first 3.0 I tried) to compress the video, it gives you the option to remove audio/video tracks that you don't want via a simple checkmark.

The thing is, it works great! the VOB files don't have it there, but the IFO file still had the option there.. so when you play the disc in PowerDVD, you can switch to those other languages, except nothing plays!

I think its a bug since it should work like IFOEdit.. where when you remove the audio/subtitles.. it should not be selectable.

[daddy_fizz]

yes this has been pointed out before, it is a known bug...

~Fizz

[Xitrum]

I was trying to do "Bulletproof Monk", and wanted to use CCE for the main movie and DVDShrink for the extras. So I used DVDShrink to shrink the extras to a minimum and keep the main movie as it is, i.e "no compression". I assumed that by select the "no compression" option for the main movie, DVDShrink just leave the main movie VTS as it is and just copy the files accross. However, the process took much longer than what I expected and the size of the main movie VTS files is about 1Gig smaller than the original.
Does anyone experience the same problem? and is it a bug with DVDShrink or am I doing something wrong? I haven't try using the ratio bar and slide it up to 100% to see what that option does yet, but I read in a few post in this thread that if I want to not compress the main movie, I have to select the "no compression" radio button.

[Fat Bast'rd]

Maybe the VTS's you are talking about also contain some extras?