DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 5

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by Entropy512
Where's this feature hidden?

I've yet to find anything other than the two presets (4.7 GB and 3.96 GB) in beta 5.

'Custom' isn't only a means of paying duty, he says sarcastically.

[daddy_fizz]

edit--->preferences---->target dvd size---->click on little box and go down to custom-----> type in the size for your dvd you want on the right

~Fizz

[Entropy512]

Originally posted by daddy_fizz
edit--->preferences---->target dvd size---->click on little box and go down to custom-----> type in the size for your dvd you want on the right

~Fizz
Thank you, I'll try that tonight.

[jed]

Don't know if this is a problem but using beta 5 reauthings Cliff Hanger on the extra's (And the main movie) it says compression is 58% on auto and also 58% on ratio and i can't change the ratio down so i have to put the extra's on still 12% so it will fit. Any ideas why i can't get the ratio lower than 58%?

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by jed
Don't know if this is a problem but using beta 5 reauthings Cliff Hanger on the extra's (And the main movie) it says compression is 58% on auto and also 58% on ratio and i can't change the ratio down so i have to put the extra's on still 12% so it will fit. Any ideas why i can't get the ratio lower than 58%?

Your mouse doesn't work properly?!?

[Kedirekin]

In DVDShrink, every video stream has a maximum compressibility. It's just part and parcel of the algorythm DVDShrink uses (I think).

The maximum compressibility varies from one video stream to another, most likely based on the original quality of the video. High quality video (with little quantization) can be compressed a lot. Low quality video (with lots of quantization) cannot.

I'd say your extras are already compressed a lot, so your maximum compressibility is 58% (which is rather high).

[jed]

What do u mean my mouse doesn't work properly, the ratio tab does not go lower than 58% if phsicaly can't go lower than that and i was wondering if this is a fault with beta v5

[jed]

Thanks Kedirekin, i thought this might be the case rather than a fault. Normaly i compress the extras and menu and much as i can without going to still pictures so i can still watch them and have little as posible compression on the main movie. because i couldn't compress the extras more than 58% on cliffhanger it ment i had to compress the movie much more. What do u do to your movies?

[Kedirekin]

I've been relatively luck so far. For most of the few disks which DVDShrink couldn't compress nicely, I've been able to remove an audio track or two. That improves quality significantly.

Sometimes there is no solution. If I can't get something I can live with using DVDShrink, I consider splitting the DVD to two disks or re-authoring using DIF4U/DOCCE4U/REAUTHORIST.

DVDShrink has improved to the point where it's nearly as good as the re-authoring route (ever see extras at 1850 bitrate - yuck!), so for me re-authoring will become less and less common (besides, it's a lot of work, even with the tools).

And in the end, there are some disks I'll just give up on. At some point I have to admit to myself that it just isn't worth the effort. I value my time highly enough that, if the original gets damaged, it'd be cheaper for me to just buy a replacement.

[atreides93]

Hey guys,
where does DVdShrink store all the analysis data??

just wondering if i should delete it once in a while so it doesn't fill up the drive.

[nyplayer]

C:\Documents and Settings\Your User Name\Application Data\DVD Shrink 3.0
Make sure you choose to see hidden files.

[jed]

how much space does the average dvd take up, should people even worry about these files?

[LakersFan]

Originally posted by jed
how much space does the average dvd take up, should people even worry about these files?

They aren't too big... My biggest was only 172KB...

No need to worry!

-LF

[krackato]

I've decided to use DVDshrink as my backup to Instant Copy. I was wondering if version 3.0 beta 5 still allowed for the option to chop off the credits like previous versions did. There seems to be a Start/End button which can't be pressed for some reason at the top of the bar.

[ghaynes]

krackato,

There seems to be a Start/End button which can't be pressed for some reason at the top of the bar.

Trimming the movie can only be done when you Re-Author

[willydee]

Tried the 3.0 beta 5 yesterday. But the result after re-authoring (main movie only, light compression, around 88 percent) contains some artifacts during the whole movie I never saw with 2.3, which I used for a while. (I didn't use the "Deep Anaysis" switch)
Example at http://www.service-place.de/temp/snap.jpg
Anyone else seen such things?

[daddy_fizz]

thats very wierd, never seen it do anything like that in any of the movies i have done...

i would use deep analysis just to be safe and see if it is any better

~Fizz

[brush]

Originally posted by willydee
Tried the 3.0 beta 5 yesterday. But the result after re-authoring (main movie only, light compression, around 88 percent) contains some artifacts during the whole movie I never saw with 2.3, which I used for a while. (I didn't use the "Deep Anaysis" switch)
Example at http://www.service-place.de/temp/snap.jpg
Anyone else seen such things?

I have never seen anything like that :D

[willydee]

I saw similar artifacts in DivX-encoded movies when some failure happened during the burn process (verify failed). But the snapshot was taken from the re-authored harddisk folder before burning to disk, so it's not burner or media related.

hmmm :confused:

[jupiter0713]

I am trying to Shrink the join of the JFK flipper - I followed SirScrub's instructions ( on http://www.sirscrub.com/start.htm ) on joining a multi disc movie and it plays fine on my software player - now I need DVDShrink to shrink it into DVDR5 size - problem is, both beta 4 and beta 5 start analyzing it and get to about 97% and then say:

====================================
DVDShrink encountered an error and cannot continue. The error is:

Failed to open file.

The Reason is: Unknown
====================================

so what do I do about this? I dont want to use DVD2One - already went that route and the resulting video looks absolutely disgusting - I want to Shrink this but I cant get any version of Shrink to open it....Even tried 2.3 but it craps out halfway through the initial analysis

any suggestions?

Thanks

[Kedirekin]

@willydee

As you say, that artifact looks like a corruption in the video stream (like you'd see in a bad burn). I used to see stuff like this when I made SVCDs at too high a burn speed (stand-alone couldn't read them reliably, though they looked fine played on my PC).

You say these artifacts are in the output of DVDShrink on your hard drive. Have you checked the source rip that you encoded from to make sure it's okay?

[willydee]

@ Kedirekin,

unfortunately the original files were deleted in the mean time (neither have the time to watch every movie completely after re-authoring nor the disk space to keep every source file until I find the time to watch a movie ;) I'll have a look at the original DVD as soon as I meet the friend I got it from.

I'll keep my eyes open.
WillyDee

[jed]

I don't know if this is a problem with beta 5 but when i backed up Swar Wars Episode 1 it worked in my dvd-rom but does not work in my external toshiba dvd player. I used 2.3 to back it up after this and it worked fine in both players. Will this problem be fixed in beta 6 so i can use version 3 to back up star wars episode 1?

[geffroman]

Originally posted by willydee
[B I'll have a look at the original DVD as soon as I meet the friend I got it from.
[/B]

I am assuming you backed up your friends DVD for him, right ? Because no one here would ever be making posts about making illegal copies for themselves. We wouldn't want people to think that this group condoned that kind of thing.

Sometimes less is more! Much more.

Regards :D

[kazan]

Hello shrink

i like this tool very much :p

i got only 1 wich and that is shrink plug-in with the Cinema Craft Encoder CCE is this poseble in the new Shrink version ???????


Keep Up The Good Work !!!!!!

:D

[brush]

Originally posted by kazan
i got only 1 wich and that is shrink plug-in with the Cinema Craft Encoder CCE is this poseble in the new Shrink version ???????
:D [/B]

I think you must be dreaming :D
I don't think, mr shrink plans to integrate CCE in the future versions, I think it is not the purpose

Softwares like DVD2DVDR do already the job :p

[geffroman]

Originally posted by brush
I think you must be dreaming :D
I don't think, mr shrink plans to integrate CCE in the future versions, I think it is not the purpose

Softwares like DVD2DVDR do already the job :p
I don't know if it's reasonable to do or not... But if it was done it would make SHRINK the number ONE program... It would get far more people interested in CCE... and it would OBSOLETE InstantCopy completely...

It is a nice dream and would make SHRINK more valuable and more sought after than any other automated solution... :D

[daddy_fizz]

did you guys read that post about free pie? maybe you should.

[Kedirekin]

There are technical reasons that the one-click solutions will probably never leverage CCE.

The strength of the transcoders is that the structure of the video stream doesn't change. The output stream has exactly the same number of frames as the source, all the I frames are in the same places, and all the stream flags are unchanged. This is what makes it possible to substitute the shrunken stream for the original stream.

If you recompress with CCE (which requires a (virtual) conversion to AVI, and thus loss of all the information about the source stream), there's an unaviodable change in the structure, which means you can't simply substitute the CCE video stream for the original.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
which means you can't simply substitute the CCE video stream for the original.

Hey, thanks for the great info... Nice to understand what's really going on in the process... :D

[jupiter0713]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
@willydee

As you say, that artifact looks like a corruption in the video stream (like you'd see in a bad burn). I used to see stuff like this when I made SVCDs at too high a burn speed (stand-alone couldn't read them reliably, though they looked fine played on my PC).

You say these artifacts are in the output of DVDShrink on your hard drive. Have you checked the source rip that you encoded from to make sure it's okay?

Yes I have- actually my procedure was just as it stated in the guide by SirScrub - I created an ISO on my drive of both sides of JFK, used DVDSHrink to process both sides separately with no compression, then used VOBEdit to join the 2 sides

Ultimately, I wound up using DVD2One, to run another clip at 100% of the original and then used DVDShrink to compress that rip into a DVDR-5 - THAT wound up working - but DVDShrink beta 4 and 5 seems to have a few quirks about reading joined streams run through VOBEdit - same thing happened with my Join of Goodfellas - which I got to work using the abpve method as well.

[asd343]

Hi

Why is it that its not possible to go lover than sometimes about 50% in the Ratio option ? ... i mean, some people would like to make the main movie 100% and then just make the extras as low as nessecery ... but I have to compress the extras to 50% first, and then start over and compress again, to make it fit on a disc ...

/Morten

[insertdisk]

@asd343 - read the post by Kedireken on page 3 of this very thread and you will find the answer to your question

[GParent]

Gangs of New York is Split across two DVDs. Disc 2 has a higher average bit rate than Disc 1.

NOTE: I first did the long ANALYSIS followed by a BACKUP.

When you join the two halves and run it through DVD Shrink 3 Beta 5, does the BACKUP redistribute the bit rate FAIRLY so that every unit of time has the same average bitrate, or does it just reduce the bitrate a fixed percentage and not care that the second half of the movie had been originally encoded with a higher bitrate.

[OperatorS]

first off: great program. many thanks and praise goes to you for working on such a cool program

my question, or comment, or better yet, suggestion is this:
why isnt it possible to downsample stuff past %50% ?

for instance, i would want to rip a dvd with all menus, and full movie, but maybe no extras.. but i want the menus. sure i can set it to slideshow but sometimes 2gigs of extras still equals 500mb of slideshow..

so if only there was a way to
a. remove certain extras/vobs/streams/etc
b. compress certain extras/vobs/streams to lower than %50
that would be cool. i know the new dvdshrink lets you pick which stream you want to set to what %% and thats great but im hoping for the ability to completely remove certain streams, or maybe just set them to 1 frame or something (to save on ifo editing).

just a suggestion ;)

[willydee]

@Kedirekin

It happened again. A stream error in the middle of the movie, and this time I'm sure it's not in the source material (proof at http://www.service-place.de/temp/clean.jpg and http://www.service-place.de/temp/distorted.jpg).

Again it was just a slight recompression of around 95 percent (and stripping of unwanted tracks). And it wasn't a joined 2 disk movie but a single stream copy.

I think I'll stay with 2.3 for the next time.

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by Kedirekin
There are technical reasons that the one-click solutions will probably never leverage CCE.

The strength of the transcoders is that the structure of the video stream doesn't change. The output stream has exactly the same number of frames as the source, all the I frames are in the same places, and all the stream flags are unchanged. This is what makes it possible to substitute the shrunken stream for the original stream.

If you recompress with CCE (which requires a (virtual) conversion to AVI, and thus loss of all the information about the source stream), there's an unaviodable change in the structure, which means you can't simply substitute the CCE video stream for the original.

Good point. And sometimes it just doesn't get done right, and you get audio/video synch problems...

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by jupiter0713

Ultimately, I wound up using DVD2One, to run another clip at 100% of the original and then used DVDShrink to compress that rip into a DVDR-5 - THAT wound up working - but DVDShrink beta 4 and 5 seems to have a few quirks about reading joined streams run through VOBEdit - same thing happened with my Join of Goodfellas - which I got to work using the abpve method as well.

That error you got while trying to read into DVD Shrink sounds like an IFO structure problem. Perhaps DVD2One is little more forgiving with these.

I'll be trying what you did with Gangs of New York sometime soon. I'll see if I have any issues...

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by willydee
@Kedirekin

It happened again. A stream error in the middle of the movie, and this time I'm sure it's not in the source material (proof at http://www.service-place.de/temp/clean.jpg and http://www.service-place.de/temp/distorted.jpg).

Again it was just a slight recompression of around 95 percent (and stripping of unwanted tracks). And it wasn't a joined 2 disk movie but a single stream copy.

I think I'll stay with 2.3 for the next time.

WillyDee, are you working PAL movies? How many times has this happened out of how many movies?

[willydee]

@JFerguson

Yes, those are PAL movies. I converted eight DVDs with DS3.0, and I noticed the artifacts in three movies until now. I hadn't the time to watch them all completely. Two of the movies were re-authored without re-compression, just stripping of audio tracks; I asssume them to be error free.

[JFerguson]

willydee...

That's a little unnerving... almost 40% failure rate.

I've easily done a dozen (NTSC) on b5...all clean. Just finishing one today which is my first with main movie at No Compression -- I'll have to check it out.

Make sure, for No Compression, that you have selected "No Compression", and not "Automatic" @ 100%. There is a bug in v3 (all betas) where Automatic @ 100% will hammer various frames in your transcode.

[willydee]

Originally posted by JFerguson

That's a little unnerving... almost 40% failure rate.

Make sure, for No Compression, that you have selected "No Compression", and not "Automatic" @ 100%. There is a bug in v3 (all betas) where Automatic @ 100% will hammer various frames in your transcode.

50% failure ... watched another one yesterday, distortions everywhere :(

For the "Automatic @ 100%" bug ... okay, I'll watch out for it (although I'm pretty sure I did set it to "No compression" when it was possible.

[molman2003]

Personally, I have never had a problem backing up any of my DVDs using beta 3.

The automatic compression is fine for about 90% of discs.
The other 10%, Fellowship 4 disc edition for example, needs shrinking that little bit further. But I have had managed it with no noticable pixelling, even on my 28" widescreen TV.

Any chance of posting the titles you have had probs with.

Steve

[JFerguson]

molman2003...

Automatic compression is probably fine most of the time. However, there is a defective difference between Automatic compression at 100% versus No compression.

I would expect DVD Shrink not to touch content with either of the above settings. I tested it though (and documented it in the DVD Shrink bug thread), and Automatic @ 100% did something ugly to some frames in the test. No compression didn't touch them at all.

Just a warning...

[Snollygoster]

I don't know if this bug was mentioned before.

If I try to do an on-the-fly backup (no reauthor), sometime during the encoding process (not the analysis), I get a crash with an unknown error.

If I rip the whole DVD to the disc and then try the exact same procedure everything works smoothly.

Anyone has any idea of what's going on?

PS: I used to get the same error with DVD Shring 2.3. I used my Pioneer 120 DVD-Rom. The weird thing is that the operation was completed succesfuly when I used my Pioneer DVR-105 drive. Now I bought a Pioneer 120S (the slot-in drive) and I get the error again.

[Snollygoster]

Another question completely different than my previous one:

If in full-disc backup procedure, I remove some soundtracks or subtitles, what's gonna happen if I select those in the menus while playing the disc? Will the DVD crash? Are these dead-links?

Can I remove the selections from the menus in DVD-Shrink?

[molman2003]

Possible error for on the fly is if you have 2 cd/dvd drives connected to the same IDE port.

You cannot physically remove the items from the menu, they become dead links.

better still, use the beta 5 version and it will auto compress everything to fit on 1 disc. This works in 90-95% of all films I have tried.

See above post.


Steve

[capt_chaos601103me9ff]

Has n e 1 else come across the problem of another dvd shrink window opening when u click on re-author. I downloaded it twice in case of corruption in d/load still same. N e help appreciated. Thanx

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by Snollygoster
If in full-disc backup procedure, I remove some soundtracks or subtitles, what's gonna happen if I select those in the menus while playing the disc? Will the DVD crash? Are these dead-links?

At the risk of sounding sarcastic, isn't the easiest way to find out to simply try it yourself???

But the answer is nothing happens. You can select those subtitles/audio tracks as normal, but they don't play.


Can I remove the selections from the menus in DVD-Shrink?

'Fraid not. Use MenuEdit for that. http://menuedit.dimad.net/home.html

[Fat Bast'rd]

Originally posted by capt_chaos601103me9ff
Has n e 1 else come across the problem of another dvd shrink window opening when u click on re-author. I downloaded it twice in case of corruption in d/load still same. N e help appreciated. Thanx

Go away and read the instructions. It's normal!